Liz Cheyney Retains Leadership Position

[Kathianne]

Not even close, secret ballots.

145 to 61.

[NightTrain]

That's too bad. I wanted her ousted from those positions. Obviously many of the 'more than half' GOP votes were political posturing and the secret ballots gave them the courage to vote like they wanted to.

Ah well, she'll face the wrath of Wyoming voters soon enough. Right about the same time Murky gets drop-kicked up here.

Hey, something to look forward to!

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

That's too bad. I wanted her ousted from those positions. Obviously many of the 'more than half' GOP votes were political posturing and the secret ballots gave them the courage to vote like they wanted to.

Ah well, she'll face the wrath of Wyoming voters soon enough. Right about the same time Murky gets drop-kicked up here.

Hey, something to look forward to!

She should have been ousted, imho.
She is most definitely a damn lousy RINO.-Tyr

[fj1200]

Good for her. POTUS actions should have consequences.

Seems a relatively safe seat.

Cheney defeated Blake Stanley in the Republican primary with 73% of the vote, and Democrat Lynnette Grey Bull in the general election with 69% of the vote.[60] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liz_Cheney#cite_note-60)

[Kathianne]

Good for her. POTUS actions should have consequences.

Seems a relatively safe seat.

Cheney defeated Blake Stanley in the Republican primary with 73% of the vote, and Democrat Lynnette Grey Bull in the general election with 69% of the vote.[60] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liz_Cheney#cite_note-60)

If there had been more Cheney and fewer 'protect at all costs' the trial would be seen more as democrat vindictiveness. Those 'standing with Trump ' just showed the world they are afraid of Trump and being primaried. The secret ballots made that very clear.

That's hypocrisy and one thing in Cheney 's favor, she's not that on this issue at least. Or

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Not even close, secret ballots.

145 to 61.

Only reason for using secret ballots is so that many of them could hide from doing what was right, imho.-
And who counted those ballots??? hmmmmm...
Same kind of corrupt crap we have come to expect from politicians, especially those protecting the old guard
--Cheney is a puppet of the old guard, imho.-Tyr

[icansayit]

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[Kathianne]

Only reason for using secret ballots is so that many of them could hide from doing what was right, imho.-
And who counted those ballots??? hmmmmm...
Same kind of corrupt crap we have come to expect from politicians, especially those protecting the old guard
--Cheney is a puppet of the old guard, imho.-Tyr

Funny that, you disagree with your right to secret ballots? You disagree with the establishment by founders?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Funny that, you disagree with your right to secret ballots? You disagree with the establishment by founders?

They are not the same.
One is voting for public office, the other is voting within government to censure a member.
I myself, do not see how you got to the comparison.
I hope that my answer clarified my position.--Tyr

[Kathianne]

They are not the same.
One is voting for public office, the other is voting within government to censure a member.
I myself, do not see how you got to the comparison.
I hope that my answer clarified my position.--Tyr

Actually the reasoning is the same. There are times that the threats of voting one's conscious in public by known or unknown forces may give false results or may result in non-votes.

In this case the secrecy allowed a true vote, since only guesses could be inferred. The retribution threats were reduced.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Actually the reasoning is the same. There are times that the threats of voting one's conscious in public by known or unknown forces may give false results or may result in non-votes.

In this case the secrecy allowed a true vote, since only guesses could be inferred. The retribution threats were reduced.
Not a bad analysis..
But the fact that retribution was removed also allows for votes to be bought more easily--since the seller faces no justice for changing their vote.
It allows for political maneuvering that sets up much easier safer corruption. Not to mention internal cut throating.
Of course that is a bonus for the dems as they ply that(the corruption) a thousand times better than do the republicans.
As it is their cup of tea.
So that coin can be easily flipped...
She is old guard, she needed that cover be given for those to vote to keep her in place, imho..
Open vote for all to see is transparency -- in this case, it should have been key and been in place, imho.
Nefarious things go on when things are hidden far more often that when thing are out in the open for-ALL-- to seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.... --Tyr

[Kathianne]

Not a bad analysis..
But the fact that retribution was removed also allows for votes to be bought more easily--since the seller faces no justice for changing their vote.
It allows for political maneuvering that sets up much easier safer corruption. Not to mention internal cut throating.
Of course that is a bonus for the dems as they ply that(the corruption) a thousand times better than do the republicans.
As it is their cup of tea.
So that coin can be easily flipped...
She is old guard, she needed that cover be given for those to vote to keep her in place, imho..
Open vote for all to see is transparency -- in this case, it should have been key and been in place, imho.
Nefarious things go on when things are hidden far more often that when thing are out in the open for-ALL-- to seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.... --Tyr

This was a within party meeting and vote, so who all would be 'maneuvering?' When the public vote for impeachment was up, Cheney explicitly stated that everyone was free to vote their choice, no fear of retribution-no whipping.

So the only problem with the secret vote, retribution couldn't be certain onto whom to be aimed.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

This was a within party meeting and vote, so who all would be 'maneuvering?' When the public vote for impeachment was up, Cheney explicitly stated that everyone was free to vote their choice, no fear of retribution-no whipping.

So the only problem with the secret vote, retribution couldn't be certain onto whom to be aimed.

And there we have it- nobody knows who did the maneuvering and who accepted whatever payment to keep here in position the currently has.
She has that position and certainly plans on a future political career- the old guard wants to protect that that future career-
so secret voting allowed for accepting certain rewards without facing retribution within the party--and not facing retribution from certain voters come next election time. That was my premise.
We are gonna disagree on this my friend.
I know political wrangling went on AND SECRET VOTING PLAYED A MAJOR ROLE IN KEEOPING HER IN POSITION.
Added thought - First place-she is a RINO and RINO's are to be protected. -Tyr

[Kathianne]

And there we have it- nobody knows who did the maneuvering and who accepted whatever payment to keep here in position the currently has.
She has that position and certainly plans on a future political career- the old guard wants to protect that that future career-
so secret voting allowed for accepting certain rewards without facing retribution within the party--and not facing retribution from certain voters come next election time. That was my premise.
We are gonna disagree on this my friend.
I know political wrangling went on AND SECRET VOTING PLAYED A MAJOR ROLE IN KEEOPING HER IN POSITION.
Added thought - First place-she is a RINO and RINO's are to be protected. -Tyr

We are going to disagree, though with respect. I thank you for agreeing that the only reason for a public vote would be to know whom to attack and exact retribution. It appears to me that you want only one voice coming from the party, be careful what you wish for.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

We are going to disagree, though with respect. I thank you for agreeing that the only reason for a public vote would be to know whom to attack and exact retribution. It appears to me that you want only one voice coming from the party, be careful what you wish for.

My friend I prefer the word ---accountability--- rather than the word- " attack ".
I am sure you know and will admit the glaring difference in those two words.
As in who to hold --accountable-- regardless of which way that person voted.
This secret ballot crap removed the needed status of accountability.
Accountability comes from transparency. Secret ballot equals no accountability.
A sad truth , dems want less accountability in politics, Republicans and true Conservatives want more. imho.
I am for more transparency, more accountability and less in secret machinations in politics.
Being now an old Southern gentleman, I rather prefer to know exactly where somebody truly stands rather than the
false image they are so easily able to create -as in the set ups that allow for so many hidden views, hidden actions and such falsity.
Seems we agree to disagree on this.
We each remaining true to our personal principles-- which is always a true and great thing, imho.-Tyr

[Kathianne]

My friend I prefer the word ---accountability--- rather than the word- " attack ".
I am sure you know and will admit the glaring difference in those two words.
As in who to hold --accountable-- regardless of which way that person voted.
This secret ballot crap removed the needed status of accountability.
Accountability comes from transparency. Secret ballot equals no accountability.
A sad truth , dems want less accountability in politics, Republicans and true Conservatives want more. imho.
I am for more transparency, more accountability and less in secret machinations in politics.
Being now an old Southern gentleman, I rather prefer to know exactly where somebody truly stands rather than the
false image they are so easily able to create -as in the set ups that allow for so many hidden views, hidden actions and such falsity.
Seems we agree to disagree on this.
We each remaining true to our personal principles-- which is always a true and great thing, imho.-Tyr

Actually this particular vote didn't involve anything but party within the party. No democrats involved

It was a chance to get a read on whether traditional conservative values were still evident or it was now truly dominated by one person. While a significant number are of the later, 2/3 still are moderate to right.

Imo this indicates there is still hope that the party remains relevant.

[fj1200]

The demand to know who is alarming. This is why populism is dangerous.

[Kathianne]

The demand to know who is alarming. This is why populism is dangerous.
Very true. I figured that should be obvious.

[PixieStix]

So much for transparent politicians :laugh:

Bastards. The whole lot of them.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

So much for transparent politicians :laugh:

Bastards. The whole lot of them.

Those honorable, brave and with integrity seek not to hide what they do.
Once transparency was the call of the day. Back before the 1960's and
liberalism-- oops I mean socialism, opps I mean communism started taking over the dem party.

Now modernism. modern enlightenment calls for hidden votes.
We wouldnt want anybody to see how we vote--would we?
I mean those voters have no right to see what we do..... hmmmmmm.
Or have enough information to hold us accountable!
Yes, seems somehow that has been twisted to serve a purpose, imho.
I mean I am sure that hidden votes are now in vogue...
As giving cover is a great thing--tis it not?
I mean what right do we have to receive information as to how our elected officials vote????=== :rolleyes: -Tyr

[fj1200]

I mean what right do we have to receive information as to how our elected officials vote????=== :rolleyes: -Tyr

I don't recall seeing that particular right in the Constitution. Especially for little things like committee assignments.