Capitol under siege

[jimnyc]

As referenced in another thread, a mass collection of scumbags protested at the capitol but then entered the building and violence broke out. A woman, I think it was a supporter, was shot and in critical condition. Guns drawn and blocking the doors. A complete shit show and the worst thing I have ever seen.

Most of these idiots were caught on film. I hope this time around they get busted whether today or weeks from now, if they were violent or committed crimes, which they all did that entered - throw them in jail. They certainly have the technology to easily identify them. Those that went past a certain line - start with 20 years. Should have remained in the streets.

I do support protesting and especially in DC and around the politicians, let them hear your voices and see your signs.

I DO NOT support law breaking and violence to get your message across. This was a disgrace. Hopefully it won't end up ignored or not prosecuted like they did with antifa and others around the nation who got violent and destroyed things.

No violence should ever be acceptable. No destruction should ever be acceptable. It will be funny in a way to see everyone on the left finally agree with those 2 statements. Hypocritical bastards.

But doesn't change this. This was bad. And I see tons of photos of the crowd of idiots that dared go into the capitol. Those are the ones needing apprehension and prosecution. I say anyone that went past those steps and entered. Anyone that was idiotic enough to climb the side of the building or break in a window. And anyone inside on the floor, double the penalty. And one complete idiot got photographed sitting where Pence should have been sitting. Give that idiot the most time.

National guard on scene by now, I think 1500 were sent, but that was just one agency I read that from.

[Kathianne]

Just saw a guy walking outside with speakers podium. Prosecute. Trump is inciting insurrection

[jimnyc]

Just saw a guy walking outside with speakers podium. Prosecute. Trump is inciting insurrection

I dunno. I thought of it when I read it myself, and he didn't do any favors with his repeated words and speeches. But going from that - to attacking the capitol building and representatives offices is a stretch. As I state with most crimes - those who commit the crimes are those guilty of the crimes. I honestly didn't see him inciting things to the level they went to today. Again, he did no favors, but I don't see the direct connection between him and the idiots that decided to go that extra step, which was a step wayyyyyy too far. Ain't defending him, he lost & did nothing but harm himself since election day.

But those that decided to take that step - again, prosecution at a minimum. Yes, one stole her podium. Another guy was filmed/photographed sitting in her office at her desk going through her things. Guilty as charged. The amount of crimes I saw in there was too many to count. They're ALL guilty IMO, and it's a matter of catching/apprehending or identifying them. That's just one guy in one office, there were many more.

[gabosaurus]

Very well said Jim. I agree with you all the way. As with most demonstrations, it usually one small faction that causes all the trouble. It was that way in the BLM marches and it was like that today. My daughter watched most of the coverage today and said the majority of the crowd was just there to hear Trump. About half the crowd left after he finished. I do agree with Kathianne's point about Trump inciting insurrection. I watched some of his speech on DVR and he mentioned twice about "marching up to the Capitol and putting pressure on non-supportive Congress members. Let them know you are out there." Once the riot started, leaders from both parties begged followers to cease. Except Trump. It took two hours for Trump to say anything. He posted on Twitter later that was removed. I think equal blame should go to Giuliani and Don Jr. for their rhetoric at the Rally. Don Jr. was almost begging for the crowd to engage in violence. The rioters will get there just rewards. The Capitol building has a lot of security cameras. A ton of video has been posted online. I suspect that many of the insurgents will soon be losing their jobs.

[fj1200]

What is the end game for those idiots? They're probably the same, or same type, of idiots who didn't vote yesterday in GA. :shakeshead:

[jimnyc]

Very well said Jim. I agree with you all the way. As with most demonstrations, it usually one small faction that causes all the trouble. It was that way in the BLM marches and it was like that today. My daughter watched most of the coverage today and said the majority of the crowd was just there to hear Trump. About half the crowd left after he finished. I do agree with Kathianne's point about Trump inciting insurrection. I watched some of his speech on DVR and he mentioned twice about "marching up to the Capitol and putting pressure on non-supportive Congress members. Let them know you are out there." Once the riot started, leaders from both parties begged followers to cease. Except Trump. It took two hours for Trump to say anything. He posted on Twitter later that was removed. I think equal blame should go to Giuliani and Don Jr. for their rhetoric at the Rally. Don Jr. was almost begging for the crowd to engage in violence. The rioters will get there just rewards. The Capitol building has a lot of security cameras. A ton of video has been posted online. I suspect that many of the insurgents will soon be losing their jobs.

This was more than a handful, sadly. There's hopefully going to be a LOT of arrests, and hopefully a lot of jail time. Rhetoric is one thing and inciting violence is another. And folks that took it upon themselves to be so called saviors and went that extra step, became violent and destructive, and went into the capital. Again, I'm with them all the way up to an on to the steps to voice themselves. But this larger faction from what I saw, went further than the law allows, much further. Going through reps belongings and offices and stealing things, destroying things & trying to enter the floor - which a few succeeded in. I'm saying no differently than I did with other folks that took that extra step this year, decided at some point to go from protesting to violence or destruction. I'm against all of them. And not sure what took place that a bullet came through and hit that woman - that has now died. I watched the video and she was among a group just hanging in the hall idly, when a shot went off and you saw her fall to the ground. I can only assume it strayed and was meant elsewhere down the hall.

But regardless of what Trump did after the fact or how quickly - I don't see the connection made between him and inciting of violence. So many democrats all year long goaded along protesters for various reasons. I don't hold them accountable for the idiots that decided to go beyond the norm. Calling for protests and what not is different than violence. Again, they were all in the back of my thoughts since a few weeks after the election. Trump lost. A lot of ridiculous claims that never panned out. Same with Giuliani who I eventually ignored. My attention moved forward towards Georgia and beyond the elections. I'm not part of the Trump won group and certainly not of the overturning things group. And while I think it was a waste of time and only hurt himself with ridiculous accusations that never panned out, I don't see the violence part.

But it was a bad day for the right overall. The elections both went to democrats. And then how many assholes pull this shit at the capitol which will now be reflected upon and blamed on 63-70 million people. And I assure you those of us that supported Trump mostly throughout his term - are not supporters of criminal wrongdoing as was witnessed today. Nor anything we witnessed this year.

[KarlMarx]

This is just as much the fault of the Democrats as it is anyone’s. They are reaping what they sowed.

The Democrats have broken our system of government and are making sure it stays broken.

1. Two years investigation into a baseless, unproven theory of Russian collusion in the 2016 election

2. Spying on the Trump campaign

3. A phony baseless impeachment over a phone call

4. Harassment of members of Trump’s administration, the worst case being General Flynn

5. Suing states to change their election laws in contravention to the US Constitution

6. Supporting the BLM and Antifa rioters (and likely funding them)

7. Now in power, they plan to turn this country into a Socialist, one party state. They are going to ensure that there will never be a fair election in this country again. It is the end of the two party system in this country.

This is also the consequence of a judiciary that is derelict of its duty. ESPECIALLY THE SUPREME COURT. If the courts gave Texas and the Trump team their day in court, then they would have at least maintained a semblance of doing their job.

Hearing Lawsuits between states. especially the lawsuit Texas filed against Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, etc., are an enumerated power given to the Supreme Court under Article III of the Constitution. Running and hiding is not. Shame on the Supreme Court for shirking its duty.

Instead, the courts treated Trump and his legal team like pariahs.

Goodbye USA, Hello Venezuela

[jimnyc]

What is the end game for those idiots? They're probably the same, or same type, of idiots who didn't vote yesterday in GA. :shakeshead:

What I was wondering, did they really think they were just gonna go in and make demands and magically Trump walks away the winner?

I don't need to know their reasoning anymore, I say just lock 'em up. And enter videos and photos of those who entered the bldg into a database and find 'em after if needed.

[jimnyc]

This is just as much the fault of the Democrats as it is anyone’s. They are reaping what they sowed.

The Democrats have broken our system of government and are making sure it stays broken.

1. Two years investigation into a baseless, unproven theory of Russian collusion in the 2016 election

2. Spying on the Trump campaign

3. A phony baseless impeachment over a phone call

4. Harassment of members of Trump’s administration, the worst case being General Flynn

5. Suing states to change their election laws in contravention to the US Constitution

6. Supporting the BLM and Antifa rioters (and likely funding them)

7. Now in power, they plan to turn this country into a Socialist, one party state. They are going to ensure that there will never be a fair election in this country again. It is the end of the two party system in this country.

Goodbye USA Hello Venezuela

I just don't want to appear to condone anything today in any way.

But absolutely, things festered. Between all the BS all year long and all the other antics, and then the violence and destruction and calls for defunding the police, then lack of prosecutions... then censoring on TV sets all the way to the social media you visit. Then Trump loses. And out come idiots that may normally march and get angry, and then went the next step this time around. Maybe folks seeing similar all year and decisions not to prosecute so many and saw things in the same light. Doesn't matter what they thought, IMO, they went way too far. I understand what brought them all to the capitol today, but not their actions beyond those steps.

[KarlMarx]

I just don't want to appear to condone anything today in any way.

But absolutely, things festered. Between all the BS all year long and all the other antics, and then the violence and destruction and calls for defunding the police, then lack of prosecutions... then censoring on TV sets all the way to the social media you visit. Then Trump loses. And out come idiots that may normally march and get angry, and then went the next step this time around. Maybe folks seeing similar all year and decisions not to prosecute so many and saw things in the same light. Doesn't matter what they thought, IMO, they went way too far. I understand what brought them all to the capitol today, but not their actions beyond those steps.

And to rub salt in the wound, that bitch Ilhan Omar wants to impeach Trump again. He won’t be president in three weeks, how is he going to be impeached? Doesn’t that idiot know how impeachments work?


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[jimnyc]

And to rub salt in the wound, that bitch Ilhan Omar wants to impeach Trump again. He won’t be president in three weeks, how is he going to be impeached? Doesn’t that idiot know how impeachments work?


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She's an anti-American piece of shit, regardless.

[Kathianne]

What is the end game for those idiots? They're probably the same, or same type, of idiots who didn't vote yesterday in GA. :shakeshead:
I agree. They want him to be "strong" they'll do what "weak" McConnell and Pence won't.

He should have taken to tv immediately when it started, he let it go for hours before tweeting the election was stolen but go home. (They figure he "had to say that" and ignored it.

[KarlMarx]

I just don't want to appear to condone anything today in any way.

But absolutely, things festered. Between all the BS all year long and all the other antics, and then the violence and destruction and calls for defunding the police, then lack of prosecutions... then censoring on TV sets all the way to the social media you visit. Then Trump loses. And out come idiots that may normally march and get angry, and then went the next step this time around. Maybe folks seeing similar all year and decisions not to prosecute so many and saw things in the same light. Doesn't matter what they thought, IMO, they went way too far. I understand what brought them all to the capitol today, but not their actions beyond those steps.

Here it is.... the Democrats have demonstrated that their lawless behavior of the past four years, the rioting, the looting, paid off and paid off big.

Now the extreme right is doing it. They have studied the tactics of the Left, now they are turning the tables on the Left.

Don’t be surprised if there are more riots once Biden becomes president. This may just be the beginning.


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[KarlMarx]

She's an anti-American piece of shit, regardless.

I was going to call her something much worse but I didn’t want to offend the ladies on this board.


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[Kathianne]

Here it is.... the Democrats have demonstrated that their lawless behavior of the past four years, the rioting, the looting, paid off and paid off big.

Now the extreme right is doing it. They have studied the tactics of the Left, now they are turning the tables on the Left.

Don’t be surprised if there are more riots once Biden becomes president. This may just be the beginning.


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I agree. Gonna be riots from left and right. Antifa is against government of all forms and capitalism in any form.

Those that wanted to bring order from choas, good luck with it we now have it.

[jimnyc]

I agree. Gonna be riots from left and right. Antifa is against government of all forms and capitalism in any form.

Those that wanted to bring order from choas, good luck with it we now have it.

I said there would be continued violence from the leftists, and that also antifa isn't going anywhere. And then the extremists on the other side. And I do think it only gets worse before better. And still going to be a lot of them getting together and going at it. The streets and chaos rule anymore.

[fj1200]

Here it is.... the Democrats have demonstrated that their lawless behavior of the past four years, the rioting, the looting, paid off and paid off big.

Now the extreme right is doing it. They have studied the tactics of the Left, now they are turning the tables on the Left.

Don’t be surprised if there are more riots once Biden becomes president. This may just be the beginning.


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I'll have to ask again.


What is the end game for those idiots? They're probably the same, or same type, of idiots who didn't vote yesterday in GA. :shakeshead:

Not sure how they paid off big because Republicans had a good day back in November unless you're name was trump. And then the petulant man child threw his stomping fit and things went south. If those people that didn't vote and those who are rioting, and I'm pretty sure that they are the same group of people, then the Republicans will truly lose.

[LongTermGuy]

A message was sent...it seemed to work for you leftist fuckers...stealing an election and scaring the SCOTUS from taking action...Thanks Chris!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-zb58uiFjU&feature=emb_logo

[KarlMarx]

I'll have to ask again.



Not sure how they paid off big because Republicans had a good day back in November unless you're name was trump. And then the petulant man child threw his stomping fit and things went south. If those people that didn't vote and those who are rioting, and I'm pretty sure that they are the same group of people, then the Republicans will truly lose.

The Democrats have the White House and both houses of Congress. Once they pack the Supreme Court, they will control all three branches of government. Control of the most powerful nation on the planet is big indeed.

The petulance started with the Democrats, they lost in 2016, and have been on a rampage ever since.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

The Democrats have the White House and both houses of Congress. Once they pack the Supreme Court, they will control all three branches of government. Control of the most powerful nation on the planet is big indeed.

The petulance started with the Democrats, they lost in 2016, and have been on a rampage ever since.

History just may mark this as the beginning of the end of this nation.
And the idiots that are too ignorant/dumb/ brainwashed /gullible were the instrument used..-- used by the leftist dem party.
Reality is the dem party gets to openly act in treason and follow its nation destroying agenda.
The dem party that is owned and controlled by the globalists.
These coming years are going to see a lot of disaster ridden changes.
And the dems/media will blame it all on their opposition.
As they have gotten away with doing for over 40 years now..
And that in itself has always promised a future wherein they get control. -Tyr

[KarlMarx]

The media feeding frenzy begins. This morning, I heard news announcers making claims that they were moved to tears over yesterday’s events. The politicians are blaming Trump for inciting rioters. Every idiot on Twitter is calling for the heads of anyone who supported Trump in his efforts to contest the election.

Where were these people when our cities were burning this summer?

Frankly, I am upset about yesterday’s events. Considering the Democrats’ penchant for deceit, I won’t rule out the possibility that they had something to do with it. It is likely however that a bunch of extremists who supported Trump played into the Democrats’ hands and did incredible damage to conservatives and their ideals.

[fj1200]

The Democrats have the White House and both houses of Congress. Once they pack the Supreme Court, they will control all three branches of government. Control of the most powerful nation on the planet is big indeed.

The petulance started with the Democrats, they lost in 2016, and have been on a rampage ever since.

That doesn't answer the question of what they thought was going to happen after they stormed the capitol. Those are the idiots who didn't vote two days ago directly because of the petulance of the Idiot in Chief.

EDIT: That answers the question of why they should have voted two days ago instead of this charging at windmills.

trump has been doing damage to conservative ideals for more than 4 years now. If he and his mindless ramblings hadn't been coddled for the past 4 years then maybe he would have understood exactly how to be president but instead we are where we are. He's been sinking to their levels and now it's finally cost the Republican party.

[pete311]

"I Can't Stay" - Mick Mulvaney Quits Trump Administration
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/i-cant-stay-mick-mulvaney-quits-trump-administration-post-over-capitol-chaos

Just listen to this guy who was one of Trumps biggest defenders.

[Kathianne]

The media feeding frenzy begins. This morning, I heard news announcers making claims that they were moved to tears over yesterday’s events. The politicians are blaming Trump for inciting rioters. Every idiot on Twitter is calling for the heads of anyone who supported Trump in his efforts to contest the election.

Where were these people when our cities were burning this summer?

Frankly, I am upset about yesterday’s events. Considering the Democrats’ penchant for deceit, I won’t rule out the possibility that they had something to do with it. It is likely however that a bunch of extremists who supported Trump played into the Democrats’ hands and did incredible damage to conservatives and their ideals.
I've seen lots of friends saying they don't recognize Trump since the election. These are friends who had some misgivings but voted happily for him both times for some logical and imo some not so logical reasons."He's wrecked his legacy," was them yesterday. They need to figure their own thoughts and value.


Then there are the liberals, they are pushing to the point I'm afraid I'd blow up if I conversed with them currently. Shi* like, "This wasn't stealing some shoes;" "This wasn't burning garbage in a can;" iow, NO COMPARISON to what has been going on for more than 6 months. BS! I can't speak to them now,I've got to calm down and assess.

Very dangerous times. Group think. otherwise known as populism has the citizens in its clutches, competing themes for at least two trains of thought.

Personally I find myself angry, sad, and scared. I feared Trump fever, I couldn't argue his results. Then came the crazy impeachment and Pelosi, Schumer, and far left squad. Then the riots, Democrats primaries, and basement Joe. Even with covid, Trump should have pulled it off, but he sabotaged himself. He was enabled to do so, encouraged even by some.

Since the election he's been mostly crazy, getting worse as time went on.

[Kathianne]

https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2021/01/07/insurrection-fallout-happened-capitol-hill-security/

Last couple of paragraphs. Populism is the launchpad of mob actions.

[tailfins]

I said there would be continued violence from the leftists, and that also antifa isn't going anywhere. And then the extremists on the other side. And I do think it only gets worse before better. And still going to be a lot of them getting together and going at it. The streets and chaos rule anymore.

Speaking of Antifa, where were they during this event? Infiltrating the crowd and committing false flag violence perhaps?

[jimnyc]

Where were these people when our cities were burning this summer?

Was thinking more of this last night and the same as you. City halls and government buildings galore were attacked all summer long and longer. Police stations were attacked and lit on fire. Innocent businesses by the hundreds and hundreds were destroyed for no reason at all. Much more than that too as we all know.

But it was different, excused & even applauded by some. It was encouraged & they were emboldened. Lefties turned into crickets while their leaders all allowed for it to happen.

So it's a different building. Different people inside. But now they want heads and accountability. (as it should be). But boy, the hypocrisy is disgusting.

I could go on with lists and lists of all the things that were stated to support it back then, provoke it and embolden it & more. But it comes to their doorstep and it's different. It should have been handled all year long. And I think allowing it to happen so many times and people seeing the destruction over and over & then add in all the things that Kath listed as well - and these idiots decided to do the same thing but at the capitol of our nation. I don't support ANY of the groups and they are all scumbags for the criminal actions they committed & all should be held accountable. Sadly that's not how it all went down. I am still against yesterday and can't support what took place. But it does irritate me and piss me off to an extent seeing the hypocrites out in mass, and they're the ones not only screaming for accountability this time around, but continue to blame Trump for it, and ironically he was the one trying to stem the violence throughout the summer and went ignored and laughed at.

[jimnyc]

Speaking of Antifa, where were they during this event? Infiltrating the crowd and committing false flag violence perhaps?

A few have stated as much and I read a few stories claiming as much, but I can't say so right now. And the folks that I DID see in the chambers and offices and in the halls.... was a mass collection of Trump supporters and/or righties. Doesn't mean that some weren't there but I don't think they had anything to do with much that I saw.

[Kathianne]

Speaking of Antifa, where were they during this event? Infiltrating the crowd and committing false flag violence perhaps?
Another borrow from left. Andy Ngo, probably the independent journalist most familiar with antifa and blm, says there was absolutely nothing in the mob to justify that speculation.

[Kathianne]

Was thinking more of this last night and the same as you. City halls and government buildings galore were attacked all summer long and longer. Police stations were attacked and lit on fire. Innocent businesses by the hundreds and hundreds were destroyed for no reason at all. Much more than that too as we all know.

But it was different, excused & even applauded by some. It was encouraged & they were emboldened. Lefties turned into crickets while their leaders all allowed for it to happen.

So it's a different building. Different people inside. But now they want heads and accountability. (as it should be). But boy, the hypocrisy is disgusting.

I could go on with lists and lists of all the things that were stated to support it back then, provoke it and embolden it & more. But it comes to their doorstep and it's different. It should have been handled all year long. And I think allowing it to happen so many times and people seeing the destruction over and over & then add in all the things that Kath listed as well - and these idiots decided to do the same thing but at the capitol of our nation. I don't support ANY of the groups and they are all scumbags for the criminal actions they committed & all should be held accountable. Sadly that's not how it all went down. I am still against yesterday and can't support what took place. But it does irritate me and piss me off to an extent seeing the hypocrites out in mass, and they're the ones not only screaming for accountability this time around, but continue to blame Trump for it, and ironically he was the one trying to stem the violence throughout the summer and went ignored and laughed at.
Agree with most, but he has been churning the mob into action and he should be held accountable for the incitement. Gillian too.

[jimnyc]

Another borrow from left. Andy Ngo, probably the independent journalist most familiar with antifa and blm, says there was absolutely nothing in the mob to justify that speculation.

I have him bookmarked on Twitter too! He's great to watch as he ain't afraid to infiltrate, but has also suffered for those decisions at times too. His latest was the same, that he saw no evidence. But also about 1/2 hour ago he wrote this which I agree with too:

https://i.imgur.com/5DugGzg.png

And bet none of you know about the THIRD riot now from antifa just since the new year. I understand yesterday getting ignored though, but not the last 300 riots. :rolleyes:

https://i.imgur.com/pz5VfYz.png

night before too:

https://i.imgur.com/P3rcrLY.png

And even if it weren't ignored - and hell, even if they used PIP picture in picture and did a side by side - they would likely still favor the left and condemn the right. It's sickening to me. Right and wrong and law and order shouldn't be such a difficult concept.

[jimnyc]

Agree with most, but he has been churning the mob into action and he should be held accountable for the incitement. Gillian too.

It may be a fine line - but I saw nothing about inciting violence. I have seen many cases over the years, usually rock bands at concert halls, but also many outdoor events, and speakers being charged for similar, or rock bands being charged for inciting the crow and a riot broke out.

Almost every one of them ends up innocent, as while they may have been their usual selves and got antics going, they never told or asked anyone to commit criminal acts or to go above law and order. There's a big difference between that, and someone or many deciding to then go from protesting from the WH to the capitol steps and being as loud as possible and as many as possible. Let your voices be heard, let them hear you.... but those that then scaled the building, broke windows or doors - or anything at all within the building... they all took those actions on their own from what I saw, and decided to go from being loud and proud to criminals in a nanosecond.

Strong rhetoric and the BS he was spewing but couldn't prove &or asking for crowds and/or getting your voices heard.... still different than using rhetoric pushing people to go over that final step and turn into criminals. As you know he's on my twitter follow list too. I agree he's been a tad nuts since he lost and why I moved forward, but just don't see the call for any violence. And I did use the wayback machine last night and took like 2 hours going through all of his tweets since Nov. 3rd and just didn't see it. Idiotic stuff, stupid stuff, agree a little nutty and not himself stuff and other BS, but nothing I could look at, post and diagnose and say "I think these are the tweets they can use and say this is what likely incited folks to riot". But I am more than happy to change my mind if I missed one or more and he did so. But that's why I went to wayback, so I made sure I missed nothing! And there's a few other tricks up my sleeve I know to find deleted tweets, whether by user or management. (not a trick really!) :)

[Kathianne]

It may be a fine line - but I saw nothing about inciting violence. I have seen many cases over the years, usually rock bands at concert halls, but also many outdoor events, and speakers being charged for similar, or rock bands being charged for inciting the crow and a riot broke out.

Almost every one of them ends up innocent, as while they may have been their usual selves and got antics going, they never told or asked anyone to commit criminal acts or to go above law and order. There's a big difference between that, and someone or many deciding to then go from protesting from the WH to the capitol steps and being as loud as possible and as many as possible. Let your voices be heard, let them hear you.... but those that then scaled the building, broke windows or doors - or anything at all within the building... they all took those actions on their own from what I saw, and decided to go from being loud and proud to criminals in a nanosecond.

Strong rhetoric and the BS he was spewing but couldn't prove &or asking for crowds and/or getting your voices heard.... still different than using rhetoric pushing people to go over that final step and turn into criminals. As you know he's on my twitter follow list too. I agree he's been a tad nuts since he lost and why I moved forward, but just don't see the call for any violence. And I did use the wayback machine last night and took like 2 hours going through all of his tweets since Nov. 3rd and just didn't see it. Idiotic stuff, stupid stuff, agree a little nutty and not himself stuff and other BS, but nothing I could look at, post and diagnose and say "I think these are the tweets they can use and say this is what likely incited folks to riot". But I am more than happy to change my mind if I missed one or more and he did so. But that's why I went to wayback, so I made sure I missed nothing! And there's a few other tricks up my sleeve I know to find deleted tweets, whether by user or management. (not a trick really!) :)

He's been building up to it since the election-on and off. Whenever it seemed he thought he was going to somehow get the 'win' from courts or states, he backed off. As time has plowed on and leaving was inevitable, he increased both dog whistles to most rabid, (LTG types) and it came to cumilation with GA and encouragement to 'not believe their votes were not counted, he won in 'landslide,' etc. Without elections being accepted, some inevitably would turn to violence, especially if encouraged to travel to DC to hear the President and Guilliani. It worked. Just like all the riots during the summer, those actually involved in violence were small in number-relatively. However, the gathering of a mob is all the stimulus needed. Guilliani actually used the word 'combat' which was stupid, but not lost on the mob. That it was planned to coincide with the confirmation of electors was knowable. It was incitement of a mob to cause mayhem.

[jimnyc]

He's been building up to it since the election-on and off. Whenever it seemed he thought he was going to somehow get the 'win' from courts or states, he backed off. As time has plowed on and leaving was inevitable, he increased both dog whistles to most rabid, (LTG types) and it came to cumilation with GA and encouragement to 'not believe their votes were not counted, he won in 'landslide,' etc. Without elections being accepted, some inevitably would turn to violence, especially if encouraged to travel to DC to hear the President and Guilliani. It worked. Just like all the riots during the summer, those actually involved in violence were small in number-relatively. However, the gathering of a mob is all the stimulus needed. Guilliani actually used the word 'combat' which was stupid, but not lost on the mob. That it was planned to coincide with the confirmation of electors was knowable. It was incitement of a mob to cause mayhem.

But is there anything other than so called "dog whistles"? Respectfully, those can be misconstrued or simply wrong. The MSM accused him of using dog whistles in every other speech he made. But did you see anything that can be handed to a court and used as evidence to show THIS is what he wrote that incited people to be violent. But I don't see it. There would be a 50x better case against Giuliani for using those words. But even then, he was speaking of the case and what he said was "If we are wrong we will be made fools of, but if we're right a lot of them will go to jail. So let's have trial by combat." Likely a reference again to Game of Thrones where it was a huge story throughout. Anyway, even with that one, and the context he was speaking, I couldn't see anyone convicting on thinking that meant for the people to go to combat at the capitol.

Nothing would surprise me anymore and I know the left will push things. But if I didn't know the parties and only heard the case, I would call it very weak circumstantial & less.

[Kathianne]

Bottom line, Trump is not acting in the interests of the country, but personal motives of one sort or another, (revenge? trying to build an army of sort? Who knows?) Indeed, to this moment, he has NOT condemned yesterday's mob actions. Just told them to go home and 'never forget' the day. WTF?

It may be that control has been taken from him:

https://hotair.com/archives/allahpundit/2021/01/07/trump-still-control-executive-branch/


Is Trump Still In Control Of The Executive Branch?
ALLAHPUNDITPosted at 11:41 am on January 7, 2021

Functionally, I mean. Nominally the answer is yes. Impeachment proceedings haven’t begun — yet. The 25th Amendment process hasn’t begun — yet.


But there’s chatter about both options this morning on Capitol Hill.

What I mean is, are executive branch officers still answering to Trump?

Lockhart’s correct about Pence’s unusual role in security operations yesterday. Trump had previously delegated authority to command the D.C. National Guard to defense secretary Chris Miller, but of course Miller could have consulted with the president about what to do. He didn’t. According to WaPo (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/national-guard-trump-protests-washington/2021/01/06/d9b6b968-5065-11eb-b2e8-3339e73d9da2_story.html) and CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/06/politics/pence-national-guard/index.html), he spoke to Pence, not Trump.

Maybe there’s a reason for that. It seems the president has abdicated his duties to protect national security because at the moment that would require him to restrain his fans against his enemies. Better hurry it up with that self-pardon, my man:


Maybe Miller called the White House and was told by aides that the commander-in-chief was on the side of the terrorists sacking the Capitol and he should run this by Pence instead. So Miller may have just cut him out of the process. Pence was the functional authority at a moment of unprecedented crisis for the country.

This statement purportedly issued by Trump this morning and posted by Dan Scavino doesn’t sound like him either:

https://twitter.com/DanScavino/status/1347103016311259136

Little late for the “orderly transition” part, but never mind. Who wrote this? Who authorized its publication? It seems to have been the product of a staff revolt (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-resignations-25th-amendment/2021/01/07/e131ce10-50a3-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html): “One official said Trump would have to issue a statement committing to a transfer of power and to prosecuting the rioters to keep some of his top aides on the job for his final 13 days in office.” And so the statement was issued (at least the part about an orderly transition) in Trump’s name by … someone. Jared Kushner? Mark Meadows? Pat Cipollone?

I’d bet good money it wasn’t Donald J. Trump.

It occurred to me after reading that last night that impeachment and the 25th Amendment aren’t technically the only two options for removing power from Trump. They’re the only two legal options, but there’s a third option: Mass insubordination. What if the entirety of the cabinet decides, without formalizing anything, that they’re taking orders from Pence from now on because the stability of the country demands it? What if they just stop taking the president’s calls?

He could try to fire them, but who’s going to enforce those orders? If he tweets that, say, Chad Wolf is terminated…

…Wolf can just say, “Well, I haven’t received the official paperwork yet” and run out the clock until the 20th. Who’s going to write the official paperwork for Trump? Who’s going to dispute Wolf’s claim that it hasn’t been formalized yet? Is Trump going to send the FBI to evict him from his office at DHS? Would they even do it?

The reason we’re contemplating a “soft” 25th Amendment coup this morning in response to yesterday’s coup attempt at the Capitol is because more than one media outlet is hearing from sources that Trump seems on the brink of some sort of mental break. “Some stalwart aides and confidants — after years of enduring the crazy and trying to modulate the chaos — have given up trying to communicate with him, considering him mentally unreachable,” said Axios (https://www.axios.com/trump-white-house-pence-chief-aides-676367a1-8110-4e53-9347-c3b09b578b45.html), explaining the wave of resignations last night. Pence’s top advisor, Marc Short, was allegedly banned from the White House by Trump because the president simply can’t control his rage over yesterday’s “betrayal” during certification. WaPo (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-resignations-25th-amendment/2021/01/07/e131ce10-50a3-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html) has this scene:



People who interacted with Trump on Wednesday said they found him in a fragile and volatile state. He spent the afternoon and evening cocooned at the White House and listening only to a small coterie of loyal aides — including Meadows, deputy chief of staff Dan Scavino, personnel director Johnny McEntee and policy adviser Stephen Miller. Many of his top confidants — Meadows, son-in-law Jared Kushner and first lady Melania Trump, among others — were publicly silent.

“He’s got a bunker mentality now, he really does,” the close adviser said.

As rioters broke through police barricades and occupied the Capitol, paralyzing the business of Congress, aides said Trump resisted entreaties from some of his advisers to condemn the marauders and refused to be reasoned with.

“He kept saying: ‘The vast majority of them are peaceful. What about the riots this summer? What about the other side? No one cared when they were rioting. My people are peaceful. My people aren’t thugs,’ ” an administration official said. “He didn’t want to condemn his people.”

“He was a total monster today,” this official added, describing the president’s handling of Wednesday’s coup attempt as less defensible than his equivocal response to the deadly white supremacist rally in 2017 in Charlottesville.



We’d need a professional to diagnosis him but what’s happening here seems reasonably straightforward. An intolerable reality, that Biden has won and that Republicans are more loyal to America’s civic traditions than to Trump, has finally intruded into a paranoid, conspiratorial, pathologically narcissistic mind. No one knows how he might lash out as he struggles to cope with that reality. That is to say, the 25th Amendment talk isn’t just a backdoor coup option in this case. It’s defensible on the merits. The president may be honestly psychologically “incapacitated” to a degree that he’s unable to carry out his duties. If he weren’t, Miller would have talked to him yesterday instead of Pence, no?

If there really is a “soft” 25th Amendment play under way, though, then the media needs to deplatform Trump as comprehensively as possible. Once he realizes he’s lost the loyalty of all of his deputies, the final mental break may happen and he might resort to explicit violent instigation. There’s no way to stifle him completely — some far-right outlet like OAN or Parler will be willing to give him a soapbox even if he reaches the “fatwa” stage of this terror campaign — but the big outlets can limit his reach. Just stop reporting on him.

This is the sort of moral compromise the country now faces. “Should the head of state be censored by private outlets because he’s a major, legitimate national security risk?”

Here’s Adam Kinzinger, who’s clearly willing to lose his job in 2022 in the name of speaking the truth. By the way, some media outlets reported yesterday that MAGA mobsters who entered the Capitol were chanting “Where is Pence?” (https://theweek.com/speedreads/959416/where-pence-protrump-mob-tried-hunt-down-vice-president-lawmakers-capitol-siege) and were actively searching for members of Congress. There’s every reason to believe that, if they had found him, the vice president of the United States would have been lynched by crazed supporters of his own boss. And if you told Trump that today, I’d bet every penny I have that he’d say, “Well, he would have deserved it.”

[jimnyc]

About how I feel:

https://i.imgur.com/1CCDyZc.png

[Kathianne]

About how I feel:

https://i.imgur.com/1CCDyZc.png

Exactly and he's trying to spin it.

Now in fairness to my serious condemnation of Trump and perhaps behaviors of all on the right and the left, our lack of tolerance to combine 'live and let live' with some good measure of civic good, I want to acknowledge that if Trump had won, there would still have been violent rioting-maybe not at the capital but still have happened, certainly more widespread.

[pete311]

About how I feel:

https://i.imgur.com/1CCDyZc.png

Then don't you dare associate democrats or liberals in general next time you cry about "Antifa".

[pete311]

Was thinking more of this last night and the same as you. City halls and government buildings galore were attacked all summer long and longer. Police stations were attacked and lit on fire. Innocent businesses by the hundreds and hundreds were destroyed for no reason at all. Much more than that too as we all know.

But it was different, excused & even applauded by some. It was encouraged & they were emboldened. Lefties turned into crickets while their leaders all allowed for it to happen.

So it's a different building. Different people inside. But now they want heads and accountability. (as it should be). But boy, the hypocrisy is disgusting.

I could go on with lists and lists of all the things that were stated to support it back then, provoke it and embolden it & more. But it comes to their doorstep and it's different. It should have been handled all year long. And I think allowing it to happen so many times and people seeing the destruction over and over & then add in all the things that Kath listed as well - and these idiots decided to do the same thing but at the capitol of our nation. I don't support ANY of the groups and they are all scumbags for the criminal actions they committed & all should be held accountable. Sadly that's not how it all went down. I am still against yesterday and can't support what took place. But it does irritate me and piss me off to an extent seeing the hypocrites out in mass, and they're the ones not only screaming for accountability this time around, but continue to blame Trump for it, and ironically he was the one trying to stem the violence throughout the summer and went ignored and laughed at.

Fighting for civil rights and fighting for debunked conspiracy theories are not the same.

[jimnyc]

Fighting for civil rights and fighting for debunked conspiracy theories are not the same.

No, Pete, doesn't work that way. Being violent is being violent. Destroying property that is not yours is exactly that. Lighting govt. buildings and police stations on fire is exactly that. Those that committed such actions throughout the year are just as guilty. assault is assault, rioting is rioting, destruction is destruction - they are ALL the SAME. You don't get to pick and choose when it's ok to defy our laws and do as you please & even try and over throw government buildings, take over streets and bring harm over and over to the police. NOT OK and NO EXCUSE is ok for such actions. A criminal is a criminal is a criminal.

But thanks again for pointing out your stupidity & your hypocrisy.

[jimnyc]

So apparently we're about to be under martial law and he may use nuclear weapons before leaving office!!

More shit made up today and broadcast on NBC from a historian. Nothing like making up some of the most massive lies to put the fear into listeners. :rolleyes:

[icansayit]

Remind all of her SOCIALIST slaves who voted democrat....

How ALL OF THEM will soon be told THEY MUST PAY BACK THAT 1200 Dollars, and the 600 dollars in the new PELOSI, SCHUMER, BIDEN, HARRIS Tax Increases.
Let's see how far that FAKE NEWS travels, but....Oop's It Just Might Not Be FAKE!

https://www.mytwintiers.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/89/2021/01/bidenpayments.jpg?w=900

https://www.wesmoss.com/wp-content/uploads/20200817-Tump-VS-Biden-Taxes-Chart-By-Wes-Moss.png
PAY ATTENTION TO THE INCOME PAYROLL TAXES JOE DIDN'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT...THAT'S ALL OF US!
It increases Our Pay cutting, and increases Our Employer's as well. Which is all Heading for RECESSION.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xSWAWESWmGU/maxresdefault.jpg

[Russ]

I agree with all the politicians and news media that the storming and pillaging of the Capitol Building was a terrible thing. It is tragic that that woman died and that the sanctity of Capitol was broken.
What I don't agree with is the statement that "this hasn't happened since the British attacked Washington in 1814" or that "this is insurrection".
This exact thing has been happening for the last 12 months. Rioters have been going nuts in dozens of cities for the last year - ransacking and burning buildings, attacking police, throwing bricks at people's heads, shooting people. The media and Democrats called it "understandable" and "peaceful protesters" then. At least the rioters yesterday didn't hurt anyone and didn't light anything on fire. The dead person is one of the protesters, not police or an innocent.
What's the only difference now? The only difference now is just that this time it happened to them - the politicians. The people in Congress actually experienced the fear and loss personally. Before it happened to the little people, this time it happened to them.
I, for one, don't think that makes it any worse.
By the way, if people hadn't got used to the idea of rioting from that last 12 months, then this riot wouldn't have happened. And if police hadn't got used to the idea of not using force against rioters, then they would have stopped this.

[Russ]

By the way, as bad as the rioters were yesterday, they appeared less violent than the rioters for the last 12 months, so I insist the the media call them "peaceful protesters" all the time just like they did for the other rioters.

[Russ]

Incidentally, I have been mostly avoiding the news, so I don't have the whole story on how the riot got started, and I haven't seen or heard what it is that Trump said to the crowd. The media says he incited the attack on the Capitol, but then again I don't trust the media to tell me the sky is blue.
Can anyone post a link for video that justifies the accusation that Trump incited this? If I don't see video that supports the accusation, then I will assume it is BS, like everything else the media proclaims.

[KarlMarx]

I am becoming more convinced that this whole Capital Hill rampage was done in order to discredit Trump rather than support him.

1. If Trump incited a riot, why would he do it while members if Congress were voicing objections to the election? After all, those members of Congress were doing something that would help him, so why break it up?

2. Notice that one or more Congressmen flipped on objecting to the election and decided to vote to certify Biden after the violence.

3. Note the news media all in one chorus accusing Trump of inciting violence. I have to ask... why would the most powerful man on the planet with the entire might of the US military at his disposal resort to using street thugs to do his bidding? He could have had the Green Berets or Navy seals do a better job.

4. Notice the distancing of people from Trump and the calls for impeachment and 25th amendment. The Dems want to ensure that Trump won’t be able to run for President in 2024.

5. If I were to incite a mob to do my bidding, I would have others to do it for me, so no one could trace it to me. I wouldn’t do it in front of 100,000 people. Now, which party has incited violence recently? Like during the past summer? Democrats.

This has the earmarks of left wing chicanery to me. I am thinking that the rioters will likely vanish into the woodwork, we will never know their names.

One last thing, you see how the Democrats are after Trump? Make no mistake, once they are done with him, they’ll be coming after us.

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[fj1200]

I am becoming more convinced that this whole Capital Hill rampage was done in order to discredit Trump rather than support him.

1. If Trump incited a riot, why would he do it while members if Congress were voicing objections to the election? After all, those members of Congress were doing something that would help him, so why break it up?

2. Notice that one or more Congressmen flipped on objecting to the election and decided to vote to certify Biden after the violence.

3. Note the news media all in one chorus accusing Trump of inciting violence. I have to ask... why would the most powerful man on the planet with the entire might of the US military at his disposal resort to using street thugs to do his bidding? He could have had the Green Berets or Navy seals do a better job.

4. Notice the distancing of people from Trump and the calls for impeachment and 25th amendment. The Dems want to ensure that Trump won’t be able to run for President in 2024.

5. If I were to incite a mob to do my bidding, I would have others to do it for me, so no one could trace it to me. I wouldn’t do it in front of 100,000 people. Now, which party has incited violence recently? Like during the past summer? Democrats.

This has the earmarks of left wing chicanery to me. I am thinking that the rioters will likely vanish into the woodwork, we will never know their names.

One last thing, you see how the Democrats are after Trump? Make no mistake, once they are done with him, they’ll be coming after us.

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All of those assume logical thought. There wasn't and hasn't been any, from trump or the trumpettes, since the election.

[Kathianne]

But is there anything other than so called "dog whistles"? Respectfully, those can be misconstrued or simply wrong. The MSM accused him of using dog whistles in every other speech he made. But did you see anything that can be handed to a court and used as evidence to show THIS is what he wrote that incited people to be violent. But I don't see it. There would be a 50x better case against Giuliani for using those words. But even then, he was speaking of the case and what he said was "If we are wrong we will be made fools of, but if we're right a lot of them will go to jail. So let's have trial by combat." Likely a reference again to Game of Thrones where it was a huge story throughout. Anyway, even with that one, and the context he was speaking, I couldn't see anyone convicting on thinking that meant for the people to go to combat at the capitol.

Nothing would surprise me anymore and I know the left will push things. But if I didn't know the parties and only heard the case, I would call it very weak circumstantial & less.
and his being called on them, doesn't mean that they're unreal. We'll never agree on that. I for one, do not think he's stupid enough to say, "Go kill Pence, the traitor!" or "There's one way to stop their confirmation. . ." Yeah, dog whistle.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I am becoming more convinced that this whole Capital Hill rampage was done in order to discredit Trump rather than support him.

1. If Trump incited a riot, why would he do it while members if Congress were voicing objections to the election? After all, those members of Congress were doing something that would help him, so why break it up?

2. Notice that one or more Congressmen flipped on objecting to the election and decided to vote to certify Biden after the violence.

3. Note the news media all in one chorus accusing Trump of inciting violence. I have to ask... why would the most powerful man on the planet with the entire might of the US military at his disposal resort to using street thugs to do his bidding? He could have had the Green Berets or Navy seals do a better job.

4. Notice the distancing of people from Trump and the calls for impeachment and 25th amendment. The Dems want to ensure that Trump won’t be able to run for President in 2024.

5. If I were to incite a mob to do my bidding, I would have others to do it for me, so no one could trace it to me. I wouldn’t do it in front of 100,000 people. Now, which party has incited violence recently? Like during the past summer? Democrats.

This has the earmarks of left wing chicanery to me. I am thinking that the rioters will likely vanish into the woodwork, we will never know their names.

One last thing, you see how the Democrats are after Trump? Make no mistake, once they are done with him, they’ll be coming after us.

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You are dead on target.
This was a false flag operation , imho.
Now the leftists/dems have Trump tarred and feathered as the hideous villain.
They have spent over 4 years lying, scheming and working tirelessly to win this election by any means possible.
What we see now is a critical turning ;point in this nation.
This leftist agenda has been now born fruit. This Nation has now entered the time of its coming demise, imho..
As these people that have engineered this(the dem party) have that as their goal..
-A sad and tragic fact..----Tyr

[Kathianne]

Incidentally, I have been mostly avoiding the news, so I don't have the whole story on how the riot got started, and I haven't seen or heard what it is that Trump said to the crowd. The media says he incited the attack on the Capitol, but then again I don't trust the media to tell me the sky is blue.
Can anyone post a link for video that justifies the accusation that Trump incited this? If I don't see video that supports the accusation, then I will assume it is BS, like everything else the media proclaims.

I did post the long speech that includes incitement: Don Jr.; John the lawyer; Guliani; the President. It's not good, but you'll see what you want.

The date was planned, as was the time to coincide with the Congressional meeting. Then there was the build up for the tribe extremists, hell they are still proud of themselves. Now 5 dead-we've added a police officer.

[jimnyc]

All of those assume logical thought. There wasn't and hasn't been any, from trump or the trumpettes, since the election.

Been a Trump supporter almost from the beginning. I know I'm a far left knucklehead, but I'm not THAT far. I'd like to think I'm not on the cuckoo end of the scale (well, not for that anyway) :)

I'd also like to think I've been logical, common sense and whatever ya wanna call it about the election, after & Trump's showing and also efforts afterwards.

Kath may have been the only one reading my posts at that time! LOL

Anyway, for about 1 1/2 weeks to 2 weeks I was posting a ton about election fraud, and likely the majority was unfounded accusations. But at the time, they were headlines and not proven or disproven yet. But I labeled them all as a "grain of salt" and not fact checked or proven yet or whatever ya wanna call that one. Just simply relaying the news alone. But in that short time, IMO, it became clear that time after time no proof was forthcoming, none. I simply never saw nearly enough to turn anything over. Why I went from those grain of salt posts - and stopped posting them altogether and moved on. Georgia became the focus along with a host of other things. But for me, I knew it was clearly over, no chance, the fat lady sang awhile ago. I'm sure I did squeeze some BS in there too! :)

So not sure if I'm a "trumpette":


An ignorant blowhard who makes a lot of noise, blindly and militantly, defending Donald Trump... Especially fond of Trolling on social media. Also known as a "Trump Troll" or "Trumpkin".

So hopefully there's a better label for folks like myself. Maybe like deplorable? :laugh: :thumb:

[Russ]

Hey, FJ! Welcome back!


All of those assume logical thought. There wasn't and hasn't been any, from trump or the trumpettes, since the election.

[fj1200]

Been a Trump supporter almost from the beginning. I know I'm a far left knucklehead, but I'm not THAT far. I'd like to think I'm not on the cuckoo end of the scale (well, not for that anyway) :)

I'd also like to think I've been logical, common sense and whatever ya wanna call it about the election, after & Trump's showing and also efforts afterwards.

Kath may have been the only one reading my posts at that time! LOL

Anyway, for about 1 1/2 weeks to 2 weeks I was posting a ton about election fraud, and likely the majority was unfounded accusations. But at the time, they were headlines and not proven or disproven yet. But I labeled them all as a "grain of salt" and not fact checked or proven yet or whatever ya wanna call that one. Just simply relaying the news alone. But in that short time, IMO, it became clear that time after time no proof was forthcoming, none. I simply never saw nearly enough to turn anything over. Why I went from those grain of salt posts - and stopped posting them altogether and moved on. Georgia became the focus along with a host of other things. But for me, I knew it was clearly over, no chance, the fat lady sang awhile ago. I'm sure I did squeeze some BS in there too! :)

So not sure if I'm a "trumpette":



So hopefully there's a better label for folks like myself. Maybe like deplorable? :laugh: :thumb:

I think I've seen enough of your recent posts to say that you're not. There's a difference between posting stories about all the allegations and questioning certain things but there comes a point, or should, where one says, "hey, we lost so let's move on to the next important thing." That failed miserably 4 days ago. We didn't lose Georgia because people switched their votes, we lost Georgia because Republican areas did not turn out and runoffs are all about turnout. Selfishly thinking, now I need to listen to 6 years of ossoff pandering to the mindless hordes and I'm still mad about that. :mad: Hopefully we can vote Warnock out in two years.

My problem with "trumpettes" is the almost mindless defending of anything that trump did or said no matter how ridiculous. Limbaugh has been almost unlistenable for the past four years because to me he has completely abandoned the conservative movement for the failed trump movement. (I even tried to listen to hannity yesterday in the car but I couldn't get past his voice prattle on through all his commercials and droning on about going to Olive Garden.) I think Limbaugh has destroyed his legacy.

[fj1200]

Hey, FJ! Welcome back!

:cheers2:

[SassyLady]

I think I've seen enough of your recent posts to say that you're not. There's a difference between posting stories about all the allegations and questioning certain things but there comes a point, or should, where one says, "hey, we lost so let's move on to the next important thing." That failed miserably 4 days ago. We didn't lose Georgia because people switched their votes, we lost Georgia because Republican areas did not turn out and runoffs are all about turnout. Selfishly thinking, now I need to listen to 6 years of ossoff pandering to the mindless hordes and I'm still mad about that. :mad: Hopefully we can vote Warnock out in two years.

My problem with "trumpettes" is the almost mindless defending of anything that trump did or said no matter how ridiculous. Limbaugh has been almost unlistenable for the past four years because to me he has completely abandoned the conservative movement for the failed trump movement. (I even tried to listen to hannity yesterday in the car but I couldn't get past his voice prattle on through all his commercials and droning on about going to Olive Garden.) I think Limbaugh has destroyed his legacy.
Senators are six year terms so how do you vote him out in 2? Especially with Abrams on his side and Georgia turning blue.

[Kathianne]

Senators are six year terms so how do you vote him out in 2? Especially with Abrams on his side and Georgia turning blue.I may be wrong here, but think he's finishing the term Loeffler was appointed to?

[fj1200]

Senators are six year terms so how do you vote him out in 2? Especially with Abrams on his side and Georgia turning blue.


I may be wrong here, but think he's finishing the term Loeffler was appointed to?

Correct. Isakson was reelected in '16 and served about two years, Loeffler appointed about two years ago, leaving Warnock to serve the remaining two.

But it depends on how blue Georgia really is. Biden did not get 50% of the vote and ossoff and Warnock likely would not have either had Republican turnout been the same as the general. But Georgia is getting blue-er as Atlanta grows in size relative to the rest of the state.

[jimnyc]

I think I've seen enough of your recent posts to say that you're not. There's a difference between posting stories about all the allegations and questioning certain things but there comes a point, or should, where one says, "hey, we lost so let's move on to the next important thing." That failed miserably 4 days ago. We didn't lose Georgia because people switched their votes, we lost Georgia because Republican areas did not turn out and runoffs are all about turnout. Selfishly thinking, now I need to listen to 6 years of ossoff pandering to the mindless hordes and I'm still mad about that. :mad: Hopefully we can vote Warnock out in two years.

My problem with "trumpettes" is the almost mindless defending of anything that trump did or said no matter how ridiculous. Limbaugh has been almost unlistenable for the past four years because to me he has completely abandoned the conservative movement for the failed trump movement. (I even tried to listen to hannity yesterday in the car but I couldn't get past his voice prattle on through all his commercials and droning on about going to Olive Garden.) I think Limbaugh has destroyed his legacy.

I made it clear from like Nov 4th to like the 18th or so, that what was posting was simply relays and no matter the site, take it with a grain of salt for now until things are investigated. Then when it became clear lawsuits weren't going anywhere at all - and more importantly, I didn't see any proof myself coming from them, nothing that would nearly overturn the election or any states. So I stopped with the grains and tried to only post the articles then that I was able to verify things within. And of course moved on to the runoff election and any other crap going on between then and now.

I try to look at everything I read, determine what is rhetoric and what is the facts being told to me. Then I take the facts/links and follow them for verification. Then I'll post it.

---

I also don't watch/listen to Fox news, never once tuned into Limbaugh or Hannity or Beck or any of those guys/gals. Not my thing. I foolishly watched CNN earlier on, then I simply watched whatever was on broadcast for 2,4,5,7,9 & 11 in my area - which was CBS, NBC, Fox, ABC, WOR and WPIX. Just thought the news was the news.

Then out came the internet and into my life. Never looked back once the news from around the nation and world all chimed in, off went the TV and radio.

[fj1200]

^ We don't have cable so can't watch those shows and haven't listened to talk radio, the nationwide guys anyway, just the local drive guys and even then it's only when I'm in the car at that time. Erick von Haessler eventually took over Neil Boortz's slot, after Herman Cain, and is of a Libertarian bent in the a.m. and Erick Erickson in the afternoon and I wouldn't put either of them in the Limbaugh/hannity camp.

[Kathianne]

^ We don't have cable so can't watch those shows and haven't listened to talk radio, the nationwide guys anyway, just the local drive guys and even then it's only when I'm in the car at that time. Erick von Haessler eventually took over Neil Boortz's slot, after Herman Cain, and is of a Libertarian bent in the a.m. and Erick Erickson in the afternoon and I wouldn't put either of them in the Limbaugh/hannity camp.

What i know of Eric Erickson he pretty much followed my trajectory. Never liked Trump, but found the polices,not the man or rhetoric ok, crossed over because of democrats behavior.

Now we know all was for nought.

[jimnyc]

^ We don't have cable so can't watch those shows and haven't listened to talk radio, the nationwide guys anyway, just the local drive guys and even then it's only when I'm in the car at that time. Erick von Haessler eventually took over Neil Boortz's slot, after Herman Cain, and is of a Libertarian bent in the a.m. and Erick Erickson in the afternoon and I wouldn't put either of them in the Limbaugh/hannity camp.

Even as I got older and some more interest in politics, I still never took an interest to political talk shows, not sure why. Never really tried either. Closest I ever got was listening to nothing but AM radio at a place I drove for in their company van. So I would listen to local Giants and Jets channels for sports talk, and over to 1010 wins in my area for traffic and news.

Always had a TV around and got cable from when it first came out. But always stuck to broadcast news, thinking that the big 3 would simply deliver me the cool sports, and accurate news. I was naive and never even gave thought to the fact that any of them could deliver news in a leading manner or that they may even omit stuff. Then later I started watching CNN for news. Don't know if it was any different between then and now. That was in the mid-late 80's and well into the 90's.

[jimnyc]

^ We don't have cable so can't watch those shows and haven't listened to talk radio, the nationwide guys anyway, just the local drive guys and even then it's only when I'm in the car at that time. Erick von Haessler eventually took over Neil Boortz's slot, after Herman Cain, and is of a Libertarian bent in the a.m. and Erick Erickson in the afternoon and I wouldn't put either of them in the Limbaugh/hannity camp.

Btw, Limbaugh is at least a pretty darn good writer at times!! David Limbaugh that is. IMO. :)

He could be a psycho for all I know, I just know he spits out some great writings here and there!

[fj1200]

^Can't speak to David's writings but there is still good, common sense, conservative thought and opnion out there. Just gotta be able to pick through the weeds.

But I think the real downfall of news has been the move to 24 hour news cycles. When you're trying to talk about news for 24 hours when there isn't 24 hours worth of news then you start filling with other stuff. The other stuff happened to be political pundit shows. The part I don't know is the relation between punditry and tribalism; which came first and did one beget the other?