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jimnyc
01-05-2021, 01:03 PM
I'm still not sold 100% on where this virus actually started. I'm more than confident that it ultimately emanated from the Wuhan virology lab. Whether it was accidental or not... so much mystery and folks disappearing.

I'm more of the belief that they collected all kinds of samples of the bats and had it in this lab, and somehow someone got sick or released it. Hence the beginning showing at the hospital in plain view from the lab.

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Did Coronavirus Come From A Lab? Ten Key Takeaways From A Shocking New Report

For months, scientists and public health experts have assured the public the COVID-19 pandemic didn’t originate from a lab in Wuhan. A new investigative essay in New York Magazine’s Intelligencer brings to light a shocking number of discoveries that cast those assertions in doubt.

The case that the coronavirus pandemic ravaging the globe may very well have been engineered in a lab is thoroughly fleshed out over the course of 12,000 words by Nicholson Baker. Here are the ten biggest revelations you need to know:

Anthony Fauci Was Directly Involved In Programs That Funded SARS Mutation Research

In the early 2000’s, Dr. Anthony Fauci, America’s top infectious disease expert, reportedly shifted his focus from an AIDS vaccine to combatting biological warfare. By 2003, his anti-terrorism budget at the National Institute of Health had reached nearly $2 billion. A significant chunk of this funding, and NIH research, went to genetically modifying certain pathogens, both in search of vaccines and to investigate their possible use as bioweapons.

Scientists raised red flags about these “gain-of-function” (GoF) experiments, arguing the danger of creating new, deadly, highly transmissible diseases outweighed any possible benefits. “The consequences, should the virus escape, are too devastating to risk,” read a 2012 New York Times editorial.

Fauci disagreed, co-authoring a Washington Post op-ed which argued, “Important information and insights can come from generating a potentially dangerous virus in the laboratory.”

National Institute Of Health Money Directly Flowed To The Wuhan Bat Lab

The research lab at the center of the pandemic in Wuhan, China’s only level-4 biomedical research facility, received funding from the United States. The essay reports Shi Zhengli, China’s “bat woman” expert on diseases carried by the flying animals, had some of her work funded by the NIH and the U.S. Defense Threat Reduction Agency.

Funding for Shi was secured through grants from those two organizations with the help of a non-profit called EcoHealth. The head of EcoHealth is Peter Daszak, who allegedly played an instrumental role in directing NIH funds to Shi’s Wuhan lab.

Chinese Scientists Feared The Virus Came From The Wuhan Lab

It has been previously reported that Shi admitted she had “not slept a wink for days” for fear that the virus infecting thousands of people might have escaped her lab. While she claims to have determined with certainty it did not, other Chinese scientists sounded alarms before being quieted.

Botao Xiao, a professor at the South China University of Technology, published a paper in Feb. 2020 which stated, “The killer coronavirus probably originated from a laboratory in Wuhan.” His paper was removed from the server on which it was published.

Another professor, National Taiwan University’s Fang Chi-tai, gave a lecture in the same month. He said the virus was “unlikely to have four amino acids added all at once… From an academic point of view, it is indeed possible that the amino acids were added to COVID-19 in the lab by humans.” Fang later disavowed his own lecture, and the Taiwan Public Health Association told Intelligencer, “It has been taken down for a certain reason. Thank you for your understanding.”

The Media Relied On A Scientist With A Blatant Conflict Of Interest To Debunk Wuhan “Conspiracy Theories”

In Feb. 2020, many media outlets cited a statement in The Lancet signed by 27 scientists condemning “conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin.”

The statement’s organizer was allegedly the aforementioned Daszak, who had been working directly with the Wuhan scientists in question for years, funneling them NIH money to support their work.

Daszak Is Also On The WHO Team Investigating The Origin Of The Virus

Daszak is also set to be one of the ten experts leading the World Health Organization’s January 2021 investigation into the origin of COVID-19, according to Intelligencer. The WHO, who recently said they would not be seeking to assign blame as part of their investigation, has been widely criticized as being too close with Chinese leadership to properly lead during the pandemic.

Daszak also went on a bizarre tangent in a 2008 paper that seemed to liken his work to a religious quest, including a comparison to The Fall of the Rebel Angels: “Will we succumb to the multitudinous horde? Are we to be cast downward into chthonic chaos represented here by the heaped up gibbering phantasmagory against which we rail and struggle.”

The Wuhan Lab Collaborated With A Scientist Who Created Undetectable Clone Of SARS

One of the scientists working on this disease-mutation research was the University of North Carolina’s Dr. Ralph Baric. Baric and his team filed for a patent in 2006 for a “seamless, no-see’m” method which allowed them to clone the entire deadly SARS virus that emerged from Chinese bats in 2002. Their method allegedly showed no signs of human intervention and made it so nobody could tell if the virus was natural or lab-grown.

Baric and Shi, from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, reportedly began collaborating on bat-to-human coronaviruses in 2015.

The US Government Had Numerous Safety Concerns About The Wuhan Lab Pre-COVID

The new BSL-4 lab in Wuhan, the first in China with the highest level of safety classification, was opened in 2015. However, it reportedly took time to become fully certified and there were numerous concerns about its staffing.

A leaked 2018 State Department memo obtained by the Washington Post alleged that the lab had “a serious shortage of appropriately trained technicians and investigators needed to safely operate this high-containment laboratory.” The memo said the lab needed more help from the U.S. to do the dangerous work they were trying.

Scientists Warned An Eventual Lab-Leak Outbreak Was Realistic

According to Intelligencer, lab accidents are more common than people think and scientists had previously warned that this type of pandemic could very realistically result from one. “More than 1,100 laboratory incidents involving bacteria, viruses and toxins that pose significant or bioterror risks to people and agriculture were reported to federal regulators during 2008 through 2012,” according to a USA Today report.

In 2012, in the Bulletin of Atomic Science, Lynn Klotz wrote that there was an 80 percent chance a potential pandemic pathogen would leak from a laboratory environment given the number of experiments being run in the field across the world.

Scientists Were Allegedly Pressured Not To Raise Alarm About A Lab-Leak

A number of scientists in addition to the previously mentioned Chinese and Taiwanese researchers had suspicions of a lab-leak early in the pandemic, but were reportedly pressured not to raise too much alarm about the possibility.

Alina Chan, a scientist at MIT and Harvard, told Baker in Jul. 2020, “There is a reasonable chance that what we are dealing with is the result of a lab accident… The Chinese government has also restricted their own scholars and scientists from looking into the origins.”

Richard Ebright of Rutgers University said the outbreak “screamed” lab release, given the context in which it happened. Jonathan A. King, also of MIT, allegedly told Intelligencer there were “very intense, very subtle pressures” on them not to push the issue of laboratory biohazards.

Nobody was willing to definitely rule out a lab leak

Of everyone interviewed for the Intelligencer report, including dozens of scientists, medical experts, and people with hands-on roles in the Wuhan lab, not one is said by Baker to have definitively ruled out the lab-leak theory. That even includes Baric, who said: “Can you rule out a laboratory escape? The answer in this case is probably not.”

https://dailycaller.com/2021/01/04/did-coronavirus-come-from-a-lab-covid-19-wuhan-china-report/

gabosaurus
01-05-2021, 03:34 PM
All of these points have been explored and debated several times. Anyone can look up where Covid-19 came from. It was not merely invented someplace.

jimnyc
01-05-2021, 04:08 PM
All of these points have been explored and debated several times. Anyone can look up where Covid-19 came from. It was not merely invented someplace.

Sorry if your dismissals of things mean jack shit to me and only serve to show off your ignorance.

So all of the 10 points listed - all been debated already? Sure, maybe on CNN. :rolleyes:

No money went to Wuhan lab? Wanna stand behind your words and bet on that? Fauci wasn't involved in said research, and why would that be debunked?
The scientist immediately thinking it leaked from her lab in Wuhan, also debunked, she never claimed this? Wanna bet on that one then?
What about Ralph Baric and his patent listed? Made up? Lie? Debunked? Wanna bet on that one then maybe?
Our government never had concerns about the safety at the level 4 lab? Really? Bet?
Nor worries about a potential leak? Wanna bet? C'mon, finally put a little belief in what you say, bet on this one?

So point me out PLEASE to where the above points were debated or explored?? Or why?

Your blanket dismissals of news or facts within news, are boring. And worse when folks make statements against facts but then won't even stand behind them.

Kathianne
01-05-2021, 04:18 PM
Just a little related something about Wuhan Lab and coronaviruses:

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2021/01/05/terrifying-report-u-s-funded-specific-research-at-wuhan-lab-that-led-to-coronavirus-n1306170

jimnyc
01-05-2021, 04:23 PM
Just a little related something about Wuhan Lab and coronaviruses:

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2021/01/05/terrifying-report-u-s-funded-specific-research-at-wuhan-lab-that-led-to-coronavirus-n1306170

Already been debunked. Lies! :laugh2:

jimnyc
01-05-2021, 05:29 PM
Another great read, coincidentally from just yesterday.

I still think a leak is most likely. How much was the original played with? We'll never likely know. But whether natural or altered, I still think there's more than a high probability that it came from their lab.

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The Lab-Leak Hypothesis For decades, scientists have been hot-wiring viruses in hopes of preventing a pandemic, not causing one. But what if …?

What happened was fairly simple, I’ve come to believe. It was an accident. A virus spent some time in a laboratory, and eventually it got out. SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, began its existence inside a bat, then it learned how to infect people in a claustrophobic mine shaft, and then it was made more infectious in one or more laboratories, perhaps as part of a scientist’s well-intentioned but risky effort to create a broad-spectrum vaccine. SARS-2 was not designed as a biological weapon. But it was, I think, designed. Many thoughtful people dismiss this notion, and they may be right. They sincerely believe that the coronavirus arose naturally, “zoonotically,” from animals, without having been previously studied, or hybridized, or sluiced through cell cultures, or otherwise worked on by trained professionals. They hold that a bat, carrying a coronavirus, infected some other creature, perhaps a pangolin, and that the pangolin may have already been sick with a different coronavirus disease, and out of the conjunction and commingling of those two diseases within the pangolin, a new disease, highly infectious to humans, evolved. Or they hypothesize that two coronaviruses recombined in a bat, and this new virus spread to other bats, and then the bats infected a person directly — in a rural setting, perhaps — and that this person caused a simmering undetected outbreak of respiratory disease, which over a period of months or years evolved to become virulent and highly transmissible but was not noticed until it appeared in Wuhan.

There is no direct evidence for these zoonotic possibilities, just as there is no direct evidence for an experimental mishap — no written confession, no incriminating notebook, no official accident report. Certainty craves detail, and detail requires an investigation. It has been a full year, 80 million people have been infected, and, surprisingly, no public investigation has taken place. We still know very little about the origins of this disease.

Nevertheless, I think it’s worth offering some historical context for our yearlong medical nightmare. We need to hear from the people who for years have contended that certain types of virus experimentation might lead to a disastrous pandemic like this one. And we need to stop hunting for new exotic diseases in the wild, shipping them back to laboratories, and hot-wiring their genomes to prove how dangerous to human life they might become.

Over the past few decades, scientists have developed ingenious methods of evolutionary acceleration and recombination, and they’ve learned how to trick viruses, coronaviruses in particular, those spiky hairballs of protein we now know so well, into moving quickly from one species of animal to another or from one type of cell culture to another. They’ve made machines that mix and mingle the viral code for bat diseases with the code for human diseases — diseases like SARS, severe acute respiratory syndrome, for example, which arose in China in 2003, and MERS, Middle East respiratory syndrome, which broke out a decade later and has to do with bats and camels. Some of the experiments — “gain of function” experiments — aimed to create new, more virulent, or more infectious strains of diseases in an effort to predict and therefore defend against threats that might conceivably arise in nature. The term gain of function is itself a euphemism; the Obama White House more accurately described this work as “experiments that may be reasonably anticipated to confer attributes to influenza, MERS, or SARS viruses such that the virus would have enhanced pathogenicity and/or transmissibility in mammals via the respiratory route.” The virologists who carried out these experiments have accomplished amazing feats of genetic transmutation, no question, and there have been very few publicized accidents over the years. But there have been some.

And we were warned, repeatedly. The intentional creation of new microbes that combine virulence with heightened transmissibility “poses extraordinary risks to the public,” wrote infectious-disease experts Marc Lipsitch and Thomas Inglesby in 2014. “A rigorous and transparent risk-assessment process for this work has not yet been established.” That’s still true today. In 2012, in Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, Lynn Klotz warned that there was an 80 percent chance, given how many laboratories were then handling virulent viro-varietals, that a leak of a potential pandemic pathogen would occur sometime in the next 12 years.

A lab accident — a dropped flask, a needle prick, a mouse bite, an illegibly labeled bottle — is apolitical. Proposing that something unfortunate happened during a scientific experiment in Wuhan — where COVID-19 was first diagnosed and where there are three high-security virology labs, one of which held in its freezers the most comprehensive inventory of sampled bat viruses in the world — isn’t a conspiracy theory. It’s just a theory. It merits attention, I believe, alongside other reasoned attempts to explain the source of our current catastrophe.

Rest - https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/coronavirus-lab-escape-theory.html

gabosaurus
01-05-2021, 06:04 PM
I'm still not sold 100% on where this virus actually started. I'm more than confident that it ultimately emanated from the Wuhan virology lab. Whether it was accidental or not... so much mystery and folks disappearing. I'm more of the belief that they collected all kinds of samples of the bats and had it in this lab, and somehow someone got sick or released it. Hence the beginning showing at the hospital in plain view from the lab. If the people who came up with the virus were taken away by the Chinese government, then we will never know about it. That's how China does business. Most credible research has confirmed that the virus outbreak originated in a live animal market in Wuhan. It did NOT originate with people eating bats. While bats are known to contain viruses, it is rare for animals to pass them directly to humans. Also, several animals available at the live animal market can carry coronavirus, including cats, camels and cattle. The current virus is a mutation on a previous form. The exact passageway between animals and humans in this case has not yet been discovered.