Michigan Republicans Rescind votes

[SassyLady]

Here we go again. Talk about voter intimidation.


Two Republican members of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers in Michigan rescinded their votes to certify the election results, saying Wednesday they were bullied into changing their original votes, and state authorities had refused to conduct an audit.
As Breitbart News reported Tuesday, the board originally deadlocked 2-2 along partisan lines and failed (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/11/17/wayne-county-michigan-refuses-to-certify-election-results/) to certify the results because of discrepancies between ballots and voter rolls. But after public abuse and threats (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/11/18/watch-democrats-launch-personal-attacks-against-wayne-county-republican-canvassers/), and with the video stream down, the two Republicans agreed to change (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/11/17/wayne-county-reverses-decision-certifies-disputed-election-results-as-video-goes-dark/) their votes, saying that they’re promised state authorities would audit the results.


Justthenews.com reported (https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/wayne-county-election-board-republicans-say-they-were-bullied-rescind)
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In an extraordinary turnabout that foreshadows possible legal action, the two GOP members of Wayne County’s election board signed affidavits Wednesday night alleging they were bullied and misled into approving election results in Michigan’s largest metropolis and do not believe the votes should be certified until serious irregularities in Detroit votes are resolved.

The statements by Wayne County Board of Canvassers Chairwoman Monica Palmer and fellow GOP member William C. Hartmann rescinding their votes from a day earlier threw into question anew whether Michigan’s presidential vote currently favoring Democrat Joe Biden will be certified. They also signaled a possible legal confrontation ahead.
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Their pronouncements come just 24 hours after a chaotic meeting in which the county’s election board initially failed to certify the Nov. 3 election results during a 2-2 deadlocked vote when both Palmer and Hartmann voted against certification. But after hours of contentious public comment and criticism — including Democratic allegations of racism and threats against their safety — the two GOP members struck a deal to certify the elections in return for a promise of a thorough audit.
Palmer and Hartmann have each submitted affidavits. Palmer, the board’s chair, said (https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2020-11/img-201118215108%20%281%29.pdf) in her affidavit that “more than 70% of Detroit’s 134 Absent Voter Counting Boards (AVCB) did not balance.” She then voted not to certify the results.
She added: “After the vote, public comment period began and dozens of people made personal remarks against me and Mr. Hartmann. The comments made accusations of racism and threatened me and my family.” She said that she was advised that she could not oppose the certification and that voting to certify “would result in a full, independent audit of Detroit’s unbalanced precincts.” She later learned that Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson did not view the agreement as binding on her. Consequently, Palmer said, she was rescinding her vote.

Hartmann said (https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2020-11/20201118184530537.pdf) that he agreed to certify the results after being “berated” and after being told by Wayne County counsel that the discrepancies in the vote were insufficient reason not to certify the result. He added that he was promised that the state would audit the results, but later learned that Benson had no intention of doing so.
It is not clear whether the decision to rescind votes after the fact has any legal value; litigation is likely to follow.

https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/11/18/republican-canvassers-rescind-their-votes-to-certify-wayne-county-michigan-results/

[Kathianne]

Here we go again. Talk about voter intimidation.
Yep, heard this just before falling asleep last night. Stupid secretary of state for not honoring agreement-why keep up the chaos?

[darin]

Michigan is a shit-show.

[Kathianne]

Michigan is a shit-show.
And it just keeps rolling along. Undermining the belief in the system, which has never been 'perfect,' and cementing both the right and the left that the other side is evil and impossible to work with. So that leaves the Constitution a lie, since to have it work requires that all adhere to the social contract:

https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2020/11/19/breaking-team-trump-drops-michigan-lawsuit/


Breaking: Team Trump Drops Michigan Lawsuit
ED MORRISSEYPosted at 11:10 am on November 19, 2020




Has Team Trump thrown in the towel over Wayne County? The campaign has withdrawn its lawsuit over the certification of election results in Michigan’s most populous county, the only chance — microscopic as it was — for overturning Donald Trump’s loss in the state. However, the statement this morning from Rudy Giuliani claims to have stopped the county’s certification, when in fact it took place two days ago:


President Donald Trump’s re-election campaign said on Thursday it was withdrawing its lawsuit disputing vote results in Michigan, in another faltering legal attempt to challenge the Nov. 3 victory of U.S. President-elect Joe Biden.


“This morning we are withdrawing our lawsuit in Michigan as a direct result of achieving the relief we sought: to stop the election in Wayne County from being prematurely certified before residents can be assured that every legal vote has been counted and every illegal vote has not been counted,” Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani said in a statement.


Er … what? The results got certified at the last minute in Wayne County in a dramatic standoff between the commissioners responsible for the decision. The two later claimed to rescind those votes, but there is no mechanism for reversing a certification, especially after the deadline. The state Board of Canvassers have to accept the submission, too, although the legislature still has authority at any time to investigate the process. The GOP leadership has pledged to do that, but they have also made it clear that they’re not going to change electors and void the popular vote results, not with a 154,000-vote gap between Joe Biden and Donald Trump.


The Free Press is mystified by the explanation:


The campaign for President Donald Trump withdrew a much ballyhooed federal lawsuit on Thursday, incorrectly characterizing the actions of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers as its rationale for the decision.


The campaign championed the suit when it was filed last week, with surrogates speaking on national television about the more than 100 affidavits from Republican poll challengers and others included in the lawsuit. …


But in a new filing Thursday, campaign attorney Thor Hearne states the campaign decided not to pursue the lawsuit because two members of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers do not want to certify the county’s election results.


“The Wayne County board of county canvassers met and declined to certify the results of the presidential election,” the three-sentence filing states. …


The statement and legal filing are inaccurate. Although the four-member board initially deadlocked 2-2 on a vote to certify, the two Republican members eventually agreed to vote to certify the results. Certification of county results is a necessary step in the process to formalize final vote tallies in Michigan elections.


CNN points out the bald misstatement too:


In its filing, the campaign misrepresented the sequence of events surrounding the vote certification out of Wayne County, which was finalized Tuesday night. While the Wayne County Board of Canvassers initially deadlocked 2-2 on whether to certify the results, the four member board eventually unanimously agreed to certify the presidential race for Joe Biden.


Thursday morning’s filing wrongly claims that the Wayne County board “declined to certify the results of the presidential election.” Attached to the filing are affidavits from the two Republican board members who now claim that they were bullied into siding with the Democrats and want to now rescind their votes to certify.


But certification will move forward with the Board of State Canvassers set to meet on Nov. 23 to complete the final step of certifying the state’s votes for Biden.


If Team Trump doesn’t refile this complaint, it goes a long way to undermining their claims of a rigged election in Detroit. Certification in most states is a necessary step for legal challenges, so this is when a lawsuit would make more sense, not less. It sounds as though the Trump campaign has assessed its complaint and their evidence and recognizes that they don’t actually have a case — or at least one they can present in good faith in court.


Maybe that’s why Trump called one of the two canvassers immediately after the meeting, although it’s just as possible that he was truly concerned for their well-being. It does at least raise the possibility that he was hoping to change their minds, but Monica Palmer says it never came up in the conversation:


President Trump called a GOP canvassing board member in Wayne County who announced Wednesday she wanted to rescind her decision to certify the results of the presidential election, the member said in a message to The Washington Post Thursday.


“I did receive a call from President Trump, late Tuesday evening, after the meeting,” Monica Palmer, one of two Republican members of the four-member Wayne County canvassing board, told The Post. “He was checking in to make sure I was safe after hearing the threats and doxing that had occurred.” …


In an interview, Palmer estimated that she talked with Trump for about two minutes Tuesday. She said she felt no pressure to change her vote. Palmer has said she received messages threatening her and her family during and after the Tuesday tense meeting.


“His concern was about my safety and that was really touching. He is a really busy guy and to have his concern about my safety was appreciated,” she told The Post.


Was this an attempt to influence the canvassers? YMMV, but bear this in mind — when Trump made the call, the issue was already moot. The certification decision is final and the deadline passed after the meeting had concluded. There was nothing more to influence, except for potential PR moves.


If Team Trump really thought that the discrepancies in Wayne County were significant enough to challenge the election results, they’d be doubling down now rather than withdrawing. This move makes it look like they know they can’t sustain their public-relations argument in good-faith submissions in court. That’s why it pays to wait and see what claims are lodged and defended in court rather than rely on statements from campaign flacks.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

And it just keeps rolling along. Undermining the belief in the system, which has never been 'perfect,' and cementing both the right and the left that the other side is evil and impossible to work with. So that leaves the Constitution a lie, since to have it work requires that all adhere to the social contract:

https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2020/11/19/breaking-team-trump-drops-michigan-lawsuit/

Not that simple, imho.
The cancer is the dem party and its abject lack of integrity ,morality and patriotism.
One party represents those three huge negatives and in its quest for complete control-does anything to win and has no regard for the harm that does, to we the citizens and the nation.
That reality leads to the truth that the dem party is truly and deeply the enemy of this nation..
A very sad and a most tragic fact..
A fact- that points to a remedy that can only come if we the people demand the preservation of this nation- instead of having blind faith in the dem party, mainstream media, Hollywood idiots, liberals and the other allies of those seeking to destroy this nation as it was founded.
Which is another problem the public has been educated to ignore...-Tyr

[Kathianne]

Not that simple, imho.
The cancer is the dem party and its abject lack of integrity ,morality and patriotism.
One party represents those three huge negatives and in its quest for complete control-does anything to win and has no regard for the harm that does, to we the citizens and the nation.
That reality leads to the truth that the dem party is truly and deeply the enemy of this nation..
A very sad and a most tragic fact..
A fact- that points to a remedy that can only come if we the people demand the preservation of this nation- instead of having blind faith in the dem party, mainstream media, Hollywood idiots, liberals and the other allies of those seeking to destroy this nation as it was founded.
Which is another problem the public has been educated to ignore...-Tyr
I hear what you're saying, though what you're saying is my point.

You and many, many others recognize there is no working 'with those people.' Many, many of those people feel exactly the same about everyone outside of their version.

That means that the Constitution, which has held for many years, is now obsolete.