So, now, what to expect?

[jimnyc]

I am curious and scared!

So Trump supporters we were told would protest and bring about violence. SO many places were boarded up in expectation of this.

How many thousands will now be moving out of the country?

If Biden wins, at least impending doom with Trump in office would be avoided, as the nation would have ended had he won.

But back to that violence, and just how much we can expect to see? And worse, now we're going to have a constitutional crisis and something we have never seen before. We may very well need the military or guard or someone's assistance, as no way Trump is going to have a peaceful transfer of power. I've been told so time and time again and have read it time and time again. Just no way he leaves for old Joe and we can expect chaos beyond imagination. You folks just don't get it and just don't understand this Trump guy and what he's capable of.

And there is a damn good chance that Trump and team and the FBI & CIA have all been working to set Biden up, and that the Russians and Chinese are colluding with him to win the election. They are lying to get FISA warrants in order to spy on them.

Ok, strike that last paragraph, got a little carried away! But as to the rest... we can now in fact expect craziness as Trump will simply not leave office. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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I AM betting that every possible avenue of potential cheating will be looked at by Trump's team. Any perceived wrongdoing will be brought before the courts. But at the end of the day, when the courts are done, and if Joe Biden wins the electorate vote with 270 or more - Trump will in fact be leaving office. No military or enforcement of any kind needed to remove him.

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Mulvaney: ‘You can absolutely guarantee a peaceful transition of power’ if Trump loses

But the president has previously refused to commit to upholding the core tenet of American democracy.

Mick Mulvaney, the former acting White House chief of staff, predicted Thursday that President Donald Trump would “absolutely” help facilitate a peaceful transition of power if Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden is ultimately declared the winner of the 2020 election.

“I recommend that he accept a peaceful transition of power, which I think he would do absolutely anyway,” Mulvaney said of Trump in an interview on CNBC.

“Look, the president is a fighter, there’s no question about it, and you’ll see him fighting down to the very last,” Mulvaney added, mentioning Trump’s threat in the hours after Election Day to challenge the race’s results in the Supreme Court.

But “at the end of that process, [if] Joe Biden’s the president, you can absolutely guarantee a peaceful transition of power,” Mulvaney said. “I just hope the same is true on the other side.”

Despite those remarks from Mulvaney — who served as the president’s top aide from January 2019 through March 2020 — Trump has previously refused to commit to a peaceful transition, citing his complaints about the expansion of mail-in voting amid the coronavirus pandemic.

Concerns about a potential handoff of presidential power have ramped up since Wednesday morning, when Trump prematurely declared that he had won the election, demanded that vote-counting be halted and described the early results as a “fraud on the American public.”

Trump is currently trailing Biden in the race to secure 270 electoral votes, by a margin of 264-214, and remaining contests in the key battlegrounds of Georgia, Nevada and Pennsylvania are too close to call.

Trump’s campaign has filed lawsuits to stop the counting of ballots in Georgia, Michigan and Pennsylvania, and it is contesting ballots in Nevada. The campaign also could appeal a decision to permit late-arriving absentee ballots in North Carolina that were mailed before the election deadline.

Additionally, the campaign has announced that it will request a recount in Wisconsin, and it could soon call for one in Michigan, as well.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/05/mulvaney-transition-power-trump-434244

[Kathianne]

As I mentioned earlier, from my understanding no court until the state approves and certifies all results. I've heard 12/1 is first date possible, with others longer. So, how long without knowing 'who won?' In 2000, the court decided an end had to be called, by the end of November-to allow time for transition. Even if it's Trump that 'wins' time is needed to get out of campaign/lawsuit mode.

This is like a 2nd problem on top of covid.

I totally think that there has been a very unclean election. I wish there could be a direct challenge to certain issues, trying to make the courts clean up all problems? Not going to happen. Court cases all over the country and if the 12/1 date is correct, clock is ticking. BTW, that 12/1 date was for state that already done counting! Now with at least 4 still counting, (actually more, but they've been 'called').

[jimnyc]

As I mentioned earlier, from my understanding no court until the state approves and certifies all results. I've heard 12/1 is first date possible, with others longer. So, how long without knowing 'who won?' In 2000, the court decided an end had to be called, by the end of November-to allow time for transition. Even if it's Trump that 'wins' time is needed to get out of campaign/lawsuit mode.

This is like a 2nd problem on top of covid.

I totally think that there has been a very unclean election. I wish there could be a direct challenge to certain issues, trying to make the courts clean up all problems? Not going to happen. Court cases all over the country and if the 12/1 date is correct, clock is ticking. BTW, that 12/1 date was for state that already done counting! Now with at least 4 still counting, (actually more, but they've been 'called').

But whether the end of the week and all calculated and certified - or whether that is 12/1 or 12/15 - whenever it is a guaranteed done deal, we won't be seeing Trump hiding behind the desk in the oval office fending off enforcement in the refusal to give over power to Joe Biden. All that talk was no more than another fear tactic by the left.

But yes, even if more or less a done deal in 3 days, you won't see a final certification as no doubt Trump will in fact fight the votes and whatever was witnessed until the courts are no longer available. Even if we "know" we won't know for sure until a month of a shit show.

[Kathianne]

But whether the end of the week and all calculated and certified - or whether that is 12/1 or 12/15 - whenever it is a guaranteed done deal, we won't be seeing Trump hiding behind the desk in the oval office fending off enforcement in the refusal to give over power to Joe Biden. All that talk was no more than another fear tactic by the left.

But yes, even if more or less a done deal in 3 days, you won't see a final certification as no doubt Trump will in fact fight the votes and whatever was witnessed until the courts are no longer available. Even if we "know" we won't know for sure until a month of a shit show.
My point being that at some point a halt will be called and a president chosen to go on January 20. Bush had little time to transition and added to the problems that shortly followed.

[jimnyc]

My point being that at some point a halt will be called and a president chosen to go on January 20. Bush had little time to transition and added to the problems that shortly followed.

Oh, absolutely. And I see no reason why it would take so long. I think they could have finished counting and declared. Then if any outstanding problems, face them.

Now they delayed and created problems and accusations. But I think they still can completely finish counting by Monday the 9th, and that's being gracious. I see no reason as to why they can't complete any outstanding issues and/or court issues by December.

Either you have proof of something or you do not. Counting is simply counting. At the courts, these cases obviously will get priority over everything.

So they need to call a halt at some time as you stated, declare a winner and prepare for transition.

I think any delay to this issue going past December 1st, or really any issues at all mainly - were brought about purposely some how.

[jimnyc]

Their fear tactics and labeling and lack of facts ain't gonna work.

Fact is - folks didn't riot when Obama won as it's generally not the style of conservative folks and other righties to go out and get violent and protest. And putting up protection after lefties going nutsos all year long is normal, and certainly not preparation for righties going to riot.

None of their whining about folks on the right getting violent over things will work. Sure, always some whackjobs out there, but nothing in the masses like the left. It didn't happen in 2008 and not gonna happen now. And yet they still report it.

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MSNBC Spooked by Peaceful Crowd of Arizona Trump Supporters

Wednesday night on MSNBC, host Rachel Maddow and NBC correspondent Gadi Schwartz provided the latest depiction of how the liberal media viewing Trump supporters like crazed zoo animals. This time, they exhibited concern and trepidation of how a couple hundred of Trumpers had gathered outside the elections department in Maricopa County, Arizona.

Despite the fact that they hadn’t charged the building, shot anyone, or started rioting, the crowd was treated with more caution than a Black Lives Matter mob that contributed to billions in riot-related damages.

https://i.imgur.com/GtG0ZF9.png

Maddow tossed to Schwartz with concern, stating that he was “in the middle of quite a crowd there” with Schwartz warning it would “be kind of hard to see just because we're not turning on our lights” to avoid being “a distraction out here and there are a lot of people that are very — or they have their emotions running extremely high.”

Explaining that the Maricopa County Elections Center was where 400,000 outstanding ballots were being counted, Schwartz slowly moved in on his subjects with a tinge of concern even though “they’re kneeling in prayer.”

Schwartz asserted they were anything but quiet as they were “chanting very loudly” about counting votes and voicing displeasure with Fox News.

But because of that, he said “poll workers that are coming off of shift...have to be escorted out by armed sheriff's deputies down those stairs and into vans and taken away from here.”

Maddow followed up with a feeling of concern in her voice and Schwartz concurred by mentioning how Arizona “is an open carry state” (even though he didn’t see anyone armed) and some attendees were wearing “bulletproof vests”

Rest - https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/curtis-houck/2020/11/05/watch-msnbc-spooked-peaceful-crowd-arizona-trump-supporters

[Kathianne]

Oh, absolutely. And I see no reason why it would take so long. I think they could have finished counting and declared. Then if any outstanding problems, face them.

Now they delayed and created problems and accusations. But I think they still can completely finish counting by Monday the 9th, and that's being gracious. I see no reason as to why they can't complete any outstanding issues and/or court issues by December.

Either you have proof of something or you do not. Counting is simply counting. At the courts, these cases obviously will get priority over everything.

So they need to call a halt at some time as you stated, declare a winner and prepare for transition.

I think any delay to this issue going past December 1st, or really any issues at all mainly - were brought about purposely some how.

Like I said, the clock is ticking and 2 days gone for all practical purposes-the dem states are going as slow as possible and there's little that can be done because of said irregularities in rules.

When states say it's over-or a court-the counting stops and then every precinct is reviewed and certified. (Like I said, earliest possible date I heard was 12/1. Then it goes to court, which decides what relief if any is given. Then recount or appeals-clock is ticking. . .

[jimnyc]

Like I said, the clock is ticking and 2 days gone for all practical purposes-the dem states are going as slow as possible and there's little that can be done because of said irregularities in rules.

When states say it's over-or a court-the counting stops and then every precinct is reviewed and certified. (Like I said, earliest possible date I heard was 12/1. Then it goes to court, which decides what relief if any is given. Then recount or appeals-clock is ticking. . .

Not surprising that a shitty 2020 with a shitty virus killing people and then shitty riots ripping up communities and now a shitty election regardless of the winner. Figures.

[Kathianne]

Not surprising that a shitty 2020 with a shitty virus killing people and then shitty riots ripping up communities and now a shitty election regardless of the winner. Figures.

Totally agree. This is a royal shit show. I don't think the fraud can be ignored, it would be great just to prove that it is not anyone's imagination-which is what WILL be claimed if they don't get some favorable rulings. That was my point with taking the one, ongoing irregularity, (as there are always at least 2 partisan observers when ballots are loose), to court on an immediate harm type, that could be immediately remedied. (That would be 1 win, lots more to go.)

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Not surprising that a shitty 2020 with a shitty virus killing people and then shitty riots ripping up communities and now a shitty election regardless of the winner. Figures.

I'm sorry that your circumstances are so awful. I have gone on six road trips this year. Only needing to work 5 months this year, most of which was online, has resulted in an income of about 90K. Thanks to all interviewing being remote, you can be anywhere. Some Holiday Inns will give you free day use of a conference room if you're a rewards member. Getting a grand per week COVID relief between gigs hasn't been too bad either. The protesters in Austin were carefully watched by the state police and behaved themselves.