Updated Covid-19 Statistics

[jimnyc]

They are on the news telling you that things are back to the highest level ever, matching things back in April. But look at the death count comparison, now and back to April. Not even remotely close.

https://i.imgur.com/NDPHB5A.png

Now I'm not saying it's all a lie and that virus numbers in certain areas have not gone up. They have. But the testing is spiking daily, but the ICU and deaths are clearly not the same as they were.

Herd immunity a little? I dunno. I will guarantee you this much though - with an incentive of $13,000 and can be upgraded to $52,000, there IS abuse of numbers taking place. And then many others will simply omit what they don't like, twist things, report one and not another, and whatever it takes to instill fear and keep it going.

Seems like the virus is a lot less lethal in some areas. And I will also guarantee you that many many out there will take tests of folks, where it comes back showing they had the virus due to antibodies showing, and they will simply count that as a positive. We have actually read about and seen this from the medical folks themselves!! But the things they can't make up easily are their folks in the ICU and people dying. And they are simply not at the same level.

I don't trust the news to tell me the truth. I don't trust the politicians. I don't even trust the hospitals much with the amount of abuse we have seen.

Now - who here has read about or seen on the news - that while cases are up, the amount of deaths appear to be nothing like what they were? I know I didn't. News in NY is having you believe things are at the worst they ever were, and we may need to lock down again and blah blah blah.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

They are on the news telling you that things are back to the highest level ever, matching things back in April. But look at the death count comparison, now and back to April. Not even remotely close.

https://i.imgur.com/NDPHB5A.png

Now I'm not saying it's all a lie and that virus numbers in certain areas have not gone up. They have. But the testing is spiking daily, but the ICU and deaths are clearly not the same as they were.

Herd immunity a little? I dunno. I will guarantee you this much though - with an incentive of $13,000 and can be upgraded to $52,000, there IS abuse of numbers taking place. And then many others will simply omit what they don't like, twist things, report one and not another, and whatever it takes to instill fear and keep it going.

Seems like the virus is a lot less lethal in some areas. And I will also guarantee you that many many out there will take tests of folks, where it comes back showing they had the virus due to antibodies showing, and they will simply count that as a positive. We have actually read about and seen this from the medical folks themselves!! But the things they can't make up easily are their folks in the ICU and people dying. And they are simply not at the same level.

I don't trust the news to tell me the truth. I don't trust the politicians. I don't even trust the hospitals much with the amount of abuse we have seen.

Now - who here has read about or seen on the news - that while cases are up, the amount of deaths appear to be nothing like what they were? I know I didn't. News in NY is having you believe things are at the worst they ever were, and we may need to lock down again and blah blah blah.

Yes, there is a covid19 virus--no it is not the fire-breathing, earth shattering deadliest monster ever!
It has been played that way-- as a political tool. a political weapon from the start.
I never bought into it and I even predicted --THEY- would use it to the maxx to weaken us, weaken this nation, disrupt our unity and grab as much power as - THEY- can grab( use it to badger, club and beat Trump).
Yes, all of that has happened and now -THEY- want to start round TWO of their damn lying.
THEY need round two- to cover for Absent-senile Joe and other things- THEY- have in the mix--including attempting greater and greater disruption and even great disunity ( greater violence).--Tyr

[LongTermGuy]

​A little something here that pertains to the thread...

"Well what do you know? States that didn't lock down have 75% lower COVID death rates than those that did!Useful info as the media and “experts” continue their screeching about a 2nd wave, and issue demands that we must once again lock down for survival."

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1273330787618664451/h8WMW1Yi?format=jpg&name=900x900


This could be very useful information in the weeks to come, as the

media and “experts” continue their screeching about a second

wave, and issue demands that we must once again lock down for

the survival of humanity.

These are the people who always tell us they make their decisions

based on science and data, right? (Except when it comes to

determining a person’s gender.) So you’d think they’d be interested

in the now-available data that compares what happened in the 42

lockdown states compared with the eight who didn’t lock down."

More:
https://hermancain.com/know-states-didnt-lock-75-percent-lower-covid-death-rates/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=PostTopSharingButtons&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

[Kathianne]

They are on the news telling you that things are back to the highest level ever, matching things back in April. But look at the death count comparison, now and back to April. Not even remotely close.

https://i.imgur.com/NDPHB5A.png

Now I'm not saying it's all a lie and that virus numbers in certain areas have not gone up. They have. But the testing is spiking daily, but the ICU and deaths are clearly not the same as they were.

Herd immunity a little? I dunno. I will guarantee you this much though - with an incentive of $13,000 and can be upgraded to $52,000, there IS abuse of numbers taking place. And then many others will simply omit what they don't like, twist things, report one and not another, and whatever it takes to instill fear and keep it going.

Seems like the virus is a lot less lethal in some areas. And I will also guarantee you that many many out there will take tests of folks, where it comes back showing they had the virus due to antibodies showing, and they will simply count that as a positive. We have actually read about and seen this from the medical folks themselves!! But the things they can't make up easily are their folks in the ICU and people dying. And they are simply not at the same level.

I don't trust the news to tell me the truth. I don't trust the politicians. I don't even trust the hospitals much with the amount of abuse we have seen.

Now - who here has read about or seen on the news - that while cases are up, the amount of deaths appear to be nothing like what they were? I know I didn't. News in NY is having you believe things are at the worst they ever were, and we may need to lock down again and blah blah blah.

The 'hit' areas right now don't have the population of NYC, nor in all honesty does the country really care about the areas getting hit. As the earlier post I put up stated, parts of TX will go over their available ICU beds today and the numbers of beds available in the areas are coming close to capacity. Arizona is now over 87% of ICU beds. But there's no panic from those no longer heavily affected by the virus.

Like Gunny said earlier, on another thread-like 3rd or 4th thread? No panic here, but people are for the most part masking up and staying home. Yesterday was like 'we were getting hit with 28" of snow, get what you need and out."

The sickness and deaths are happening, just like in NYC, but the numbers involved are much smaller.

The docs are now more aware of what works best and alternatives to try when it doesn't.

Younger, healthier people are getting hit in numbers that didn't happen out east.

[LongTermGuy]

"Actual Number from the virus"

Wait...Joe Knows...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAD3YOEjk2U

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

"Actual Number from the virus"

Wait...Joe Knows...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAD3YOEjk2U

And that is the imbecilic clown that --THEY- want to put in charge of the nation!
In other words, that is the puppet being used to front for Soros, Valerie Jarret, dem party and the globalists-the later
the ones that would truly be 100% in charge were idiot Joe elected..
No wonder so many are scared to death of V-19--
120 million dead, you got that straight from the horses's mouth-- umm I mean straight
from the jackass's mouth.!- :rolleyes:--Tyr

[SassyLady]

Some more numbers ... especially Arizona.


Confirmed COVID-19 cases (https://azbigmedia.com/business/map-tracks-covid-19-cases-by-zip-code/) in Arizona hit 63,030 Thursday and nearly one-third of those cases — 19,585 — have come in the last seven days, according to data from the Arizona Department of Health Services (https://www.azdhs.gov/preparedness/epidemiology-disease-control/infectious-disease-epidemiology/covid-19/dashboards/index.php). Arizona set its single-day high for the greatest number of new cases on Tuesday, June 23, with 3,591.
There were 3,056 new cases reported on Thursday, June 25. And as of Thursday, June 25, there have been 1,490 COVID-19 related deaths in the state, an increase of 27 from the previous day.
Here is a look at Arizona’s alarming seven-day increase:
June 19: 3,246 new cases
June 20: 3,109 new cases
June 21: 2,592 new cases
June 22: 2,196 new cases
June 23: 3,591 new cases
June 24: 1,795 new cases
June 25: 3,056 new cases
The spike in positive cases comes several weeks after the May 15 lifting of Arizona’s stay-at-home orders, when businesses began reopening, public protests that followed the deaths of black men at the hands of police, and Memorial Day weekend, when many Arizonans left their homes to celebrate.

So how do COVID-19 numbers compare nationally with other illnesses and pandemics? STAT first compared COVID-19 death projections to past pandemics and leading causes of death in early April to help Americans get a better sense of the numbers. The previous comparison (https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/how-covid-19-death-estimates-stack-up-to-past-pandemics-leading-causes-of-death.html) used projections from the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation, which now estimates the death toll will be 72,433 by Aug. 4. IHME previously predicted a death toll of 60,000, which the U.S. surpassed April 29.
For the updated comparison, STAT used a model (https://covid19-projections.com/about/) created by Youyang Gu, an independent data scientist. The model projects 88,217 to 293,381 deaths by early August.
How this projection stacks up to past pandemics and flu seasons:1. 1918 flu pandemic: 675,000 deaths
2. COVID-19 pandemic: 88,217 to 293,381 projected deaths
3. 2017-18 flu season: 61,000 deaths
4. 2018-19 flu season: 34,200 deaths
5. 2009 swine flu pandemic: 12,469 deaths
How this projection stacks up to the nation’s leading causes of death:1. Heart disease: 269,583 deaths
2. Cancer: 252,500 deaths (based on 2019 data)
3. COVID-19 pandemic: 88,217 to 293,381 projected deaths
4. Stroke: 60,833 deaths
5. Alzheimer’s disease: 50,417 deaths
6. Drug overdoses: 29,265 deaths
7. Suicide: 19,583 deaths


For entire article with more stats

https://azbigmedia.com/business/covid-19-cases-in-arizona-top-63000-with-nearly-20000-in-last-7-days/

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Some more numbers ... especially Arizona.


For entire article with more stats

https://azbigmedia.com/business/covid-19-cases-in-arizona-top-63000-with-nearly-20000-in-last-7-days/

Quite sobering reality when one looks at those numbers and realizes this nation was shut down, tens of millions jobs lost, trillions lost , trillions spent,hundreds of thousands businesses forced into permanent closure, millions of families needlessly and negatively affected -while those numbers shows what a catastrophic mistake was made and how we citizens suffered due to that deliberately insidious political STRATEGY/TACTIC/AGENDA
Yet this truth , this reality will not end up yielding justice to be brought to those that used C-19 as a weapon.
For truth is they will escape unharmed because they are the media, the dem party , the globalists- and --they- are well beyond justice because Americans have been being blinded for many decades now. By a dem engineered liberal/socialist public school system and higher education indoctrination centers-- colleges .
My guess is that it is now in too deep to ever be rectified, short of a full blown civil war...
Which would in itself very likely be our tragic demise as well, imho..
A grim outlook to say the least but one that by looking at how things are now- one that is warranted and likely to bear very evil and tragic fruits, imho..Tyr

[pete311]

Exactly 4 months ago, President Trump said this:"You have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero."

[jimnyc]

Was gonna create a new thread to start a daily tracker like I did when NY/NJ and such was in horrible shape, don't wanna upset the apple cart and what not....

And this is much too early numbers anyway, like the Dems blaming Trump for spreading the virus due to his rally, like 15 minutes after it ended. :rolleyes:

Anyway, too early to look at deaths? Folks getting to ventilator status like it was back then? Percentages?

I fully understand that smaller populations would therefore present smaller numbers of infections, hospitalizations and deaths. But I would think that eventually, folks sickened the same around the nation, that the numbers would bear out similarly.

The numbers of infected have skyrocketed again. And hospitalizations in many areas rising up and meeting limits. But folks on ventilators? And thus far, seems like it's almost half as deadly. But that is at this moment, they could start dropping like flies tomorrow for all I know. Just don't get scared at the June 26th deaths of 2,000+ - as that was when states around the nation added in all of the updated deaths, basically by guessing. Additional deaths were added of folks that never took a test, just that after review that they 'think' that's why this person died. And the next day the deaths dropped back down by 1800.

In New York, nearly 8% of the total confirmed cases died. You can see NJ, who was hit at the same time, had similar percentages. And now the other states that have been getting hammered, not nearly as many have died since this went crazy. This is NOT to say that they all don't die overnight, just reporting hard numbers right now is all. I HOPE it stays this way, for whatever reason it is.

I have read reports about the virus mutating in different strains and the virus being less deadly at times/places. Doesn't seem to be any logic or reason behind it, just what the virus is doing.

New York - 7.99%
New Jersey - 8.74%

Texas - 1.67%
Arizona - 2.3%
California - 2.83%
Florida - 2.55%
Georgia - 3.79%
Illinois - 4.8%

[jimnyc]

Reading some stories and figures currently, and many of the states, especially Florida and Texas they say, are more and more younger folks, and that this is happening in many more states.

I wonder why in the world that suddenly the younger folks numbers of infections skyrocketed?

[pete311]

Reading some stories and figures currently, and many of the states, especially Florida and Texas they say, are more and more younger folks, and that this is happening in many more states.

I wonder why in the world that suddenly the younger folks numbers of infections skyrocketed?

They are out at the bars and beaches.

[jimnyc]

They are out at the bars and beaches.

Yes, far too many, and even I admit that. Some things are common sense when it comes to a virus spreading....

until suddenly excused for a protest where folks say "well that's different" - and count many of them folks in with all of these numbers around the country. They may get excused from things, but you don't get excused from health issues. I know, it's different, and no one at all got sick. :rolleyes:

[Abbey Marie]

I think Pete is right. Well, that and the protests and riots. "Younger" folks (up to 30 yrs old) are out socializing like crazy. My own daughter's friends want to get together tonight in a group of around 10-12. No masks, no distancing. To protect us, she declined to go. But she most likely would have otherwise.

[jimnyc]

I think Pete is right. Well, that and the protests and riots. "Younger" folks (up to 30 yrs old) are out socializing like crazy. My own daughter's friends want to get together tonight in a group of around 10-12. No masks, no distancing. To protect us, she declined to go. But she most likely would have otherwise.

Yups, from the beginning the younger folks have treated things as if they are invincible and ignored the ability to pass it along. Far too many partying and hitting up clubs and what not. And some others on the right I saw videos of, screaming about masks and being muzzled like a mad dog and other excuses. I don't care if you're 25 years old, 90 years old, at a bar, at the beach or out protesting - you are ALL being irresponsible and taking too many chances without masks and even with, and still not taking precautions of passing it, or respecting those that may be more susceptible, or those wearing masks not wanting to be in a closed environment with someone screaming and spittling and they rant about how the masks are the devils pawn and democrat control.

So the median age dropped, and many many younger folks have now gotten sick. Drinking doesn't make someone immune from catching it or spreading it. Hitting the beaches doesn't make one immune. Protesting a cause one believes in doesn't make one immune.

So I think a combination of all the above has contributed larger numbers of younger sick.... and not really provable - but those resisting rules and common sense - just how many people did they inadvertently get sick themselves?

I think it WILL eventually come back here. Folks get sick elsewhere, come back here and voila. And idiots here, many younger, are already back to abusing things without masks and doing as they please and acting as if it's over. Many stores I have been to, smaller stores, they aren't even enforcing their own written rules of masks required. So, only a matter of time.

For me, I have treated things the same from day one. I take care of number one, and my family as well. I more or less do all the leaving of the home, and I ensure I am still doing the same disinfecting and mask thing everywhere I go. Go out to 3 stores and hit the gas station for gas and a drink and snack inside.... in total I wear a mask for approx. 10 mins each in the stores, and about 2 minutes in the station. An extra 5 mins total on top of that for disinfecting at each stop. Get everything done that I need, 30 minutes of my life in a mask - and also peace of mind while I got the things done, and a couple minutes of cleaning. So hard? Not at all. :dunno:

[jimnyc]

New York - 7.99%
New Jersey - 8.74%

Texas - 1.67%
Arizona - 2.3%
California - 2.83%
Florida - 2.55%
Georgia - 3.79%
Illinois - 4.8%

So we all know that numbers have still been rising in many areas. No doubt about that one. And hospitalizations as well. But still not the ventilator use and deaths - yet - and let's hope it continues in this manner in respect to them.

The numbers above, Illinois has changed since then to 4.84% - every other location I listed has actually went DOWN in the death department. And I think it's reasoning is similar to what the Lt. Governor states here. A lot more being tested are younger folks as well. Those numbers have increased dramatically. Along with many folks 20-50 hospitalized. But the younger folks are faring better and responding better and not ending up on ventilators or dying. That's primarily still folks 60,70,80+. So that would explain why increasing numbers but the others not following along. And I'm ok with that in that respect! Less deaths and folks ending up on ventilators and dying. I just hope that it would continue like this and then lessen overall as time goes by. But the deaths could start increasing... And the death rate isn't "flat", just much much lower is all.

--

Lt. Gov. Patrick: Texas Coronavirus Fatalities Remain Flat — ‘I Think We’re Doing It Right’

Monday on “Fox News @ Night,” Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick (R-TX) insisted the doom and gloom portrayed by the media regarding COVID-19 and Texas was not reflective of reality.

Patrick insisted compared to other states, fatalities were low in Texas and the curve had flattened despite a “sky is falling” narrative.

“I think sometimes present company excluded on Fox, but the rest of the media wants us to come out and say the sky is falling and run for the hills,” he said. “And on the other hand, if you if you come out and you’re too positive, and you give people hope, you know, they criticize that. So, no matter what you say, the media is ready to pounce on you, particularly if you’re a Republican. They don’t talk about California and New York. They really talk about Texas. Well, let me tell you about Texas. So, we are still flat and right where we were in fatalities going back a month or two months ago. For example, we had 10 deaths in the report today, every life is valuable. But 10, we had 47 the other day, then we had 20, then we had 30. What I’m watching Shannon, is that key indicator: how many people are dying from this? And across the country, we’ve seen that flatten, and we’ve seen that flatten so far and prayerfully that will continue.”

“So, I look at that number,” Patrick continued. ‘Secondly, yes, our cases, we had four more thousand cases today, but that’s down 1000 cases from yesterday. So, I never look at one day, I look at you know, weeks, two weeks at a time. And right now, our hospitalizations are up with young people. They’re going to the hospital. They’re staying less time and they’re coming out and they’re not dying from this. Now, that doesn’t mean that we won’t see fatalities with people under 50, but for the most part, it’s cases going up because we’re testing more and more young people. Real quick, Shannon, here’s, here’s part of that. Back in March and April, the people who were getting tested and the people who were going to the hospital were primarily over 65 that’s what we were testing. They weren’t out socializing with each other, so it was not spreading as quickly. But now, once we’ve unleashed everyone under 50, to go out and socialize together, they’re not like the seniors where, they’re not wearing masks. They’re next to each other. They’re not being careful. And that’s the reason the positivity rate is up.”

“But I still look at Texas, we have eight deaths per 100,000 people,” he added. “New York has 161 deaths per 100,000 people. And even California, that locked down during this whole time why we’ve been opening, they have 15 deaths per 100,000. So, compare California and New York to Texas. We’re doing it right. The only places, Shannon, that have lower deaths in Texas, are Guam, Puerto Rico, Oregon, West Virginia and Utah. I think we’re doing it right, but prayerfully we keep doing it right.”

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/06/30/lt-gov-patrick-texas-coronavirus-fatalities-remain-flat-i-think-were-doing-it-right/

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

So we all know that numbers have still been rising in many areas. No doubt about that one. And hospitalizations as well. But still not the ventilator use and deaths - yet - and let's hope it continues in this manner in respect to them.

The numbers above, Illinois has changed since then to 4.84% - every other location I listed has actually went DOWN in the death department. And I think it's reasoning is similar to what the Lt. Governor states here. A lot more being tested are younger folks as well. Those numbers have increased dramatically. Along with many folks 20-50 hospitalized. But the younger folks are faring better and responding better and not ending up on ventilators or dying. That's primarily still folks 60,70,80+. So that would explain why increasing numbers but the others not following along. And I'm ok with that in that respect! Less deaths and folks ending up on ventilators and dying. I just hope that it would continue like this and then lessen overall as time goes by. But the deaths could start increasing... And the death rate isn't "flat", just much much lower is all.

--

Lt. Gov. Patrick: Texas Coronavirus Fatalities Remain Flat — ‘I Think We’re Doing It Right’

Monday on “Fox News @ Night,” Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick (R-TX) insisted the doom and gloom portrayed by the media regarding COVID-19 and Texas was not reflective of reality.

Patrick insisted compared to other states, fatalities were low in Texas and the curve had flattened despite a “sky is falling” narrative.

“I think sometimes present company excluded on Fox, but the rest of the media wants us to come out and say the sky is falling and run for the hills,” he said. “And on the other hand, if you if you come out and you’re too positive, and you give people hope, you know, they criticize that. So, no matter what you say, the media is ready to pounce on you, particularly if you’re a Republican. They don’t talk about California and New York. They really talk about Texas. Well, let me tell you about Texas. So, we are still flat and right where we were in fatalities going back a month or two months ago. For example, we had 10 deaths in the report today, every life is valuable. But 10, we had 47 the other day, then we had 20, then we had 30. What I’m watching Shannon, is that key indicator: how many people are dying from this? And across the country, we’ve seen that flatten, and we’ve seen that flatten so far and prayerfully that will continue.”

“So, I look at that number,” Patrick continued. ‘Secondly, yes, our cases, we had four more thousand cases today, but that’s down 1000 cases from yesterday. So, I never look at one day, I look at you know, weeks, two weeks at a time. And right now, our hospitalizations are up with young people. They’re going to the hospital. They’re staying less time and they’re coming out and they’re not dying from this. Now, that doesn’t mean that we won’t see fatalities with people under 50, but for the most part, it’s cases going up because we’re testing more and more young people. Real quick, Shannon, here’s, here’s part of that. Back in March and April, the people who were getting tested and the people who were going to the hospital were primarily over 65 that’s what we were testing. They weren’t out socializing with each other, so it was not spreading as quickly. But now, once we’ve unleashed everyone under 50, to go out and socialize together, they’re not like the seniors where, they’re not wearing masks. They’re next to each other. They’re not being careful. And that’s the reason the positivity rate is up.”

“But I still look at Texas, we have eight deaths per 100,000 people,” he added. “New York has 161 deaths per 100,000 people. And even California, that locked down during this whole time why we’ve been opening, they have 15 deaths per 100,000. So, compare California and New York to Texas. We’re doing it right. The only places, Shannon, that have lower deaths in Texas, are Guam, Puerto Rico, Oregon, West Virginia and Utah. I think we’re doing it right, but prayerfully we keep doing it right.”

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/06/30/lt-gov-patrick-texas-coronavirus-fatalities-remain-flat-i-think-were-doing-it-right/

This below says all that needs to be said about the lying, manipulation and agenda driven doom and gloom being promoted by politicians in regards to just how deadly or how serious this virus really is. Some of us saw this and knew way back in early March this was going to be so overblown by dems/leftists/mainstream media in order to achieve political agenda/goals.
And we did not buy into it. --Tyr




“But I still look at Texas, we have eight deaths per 100,000 people,” he added. “New York has 161 deaths per 100,000 people. And even California, that locked down during this whole time why we’ve been opening, they have 15 deaths per 100,000. So, compare California and New York to Texas. We’re doing it right. The only places, Shannon, that have lower deaths in Texas, are Guam, Puerto Rico, Oregon, West Virginia and Utah. I think we’re doing it right, but prayerfully we keep doing it right.”

[jimnyc]

Continue to keep your fingers crossed folks. Thus far the numbers I posted have been holding, and lowering in fact. While the MSM is going on and on about fear porn and stressing the daily positive testing count, and of course trying to limit Trump rallies, Trump fireworks, Trump anything. And of course giving their blessing for anything from the left happening in the streets, in public...

At any rate, what they aren't telling you on the lefty television, is that while these tests bring about new infections, more and more is younger folks, folks that recover much more quickly and don't nearly have the same negative effects that hit someone 70+. So the death rate started to go down about 2 months ago, and continued, and still continues downward.

Of course we would love it in a perfect world that the number of infections disappeared, but that's not happening until a vaccine comes out. So the best we can do, is limit some things, protect ourselves and others, and the main goal should be to avoid to begin with - and of course seeing less deaths is a positive even if in the middle of it.

Not gonna post a ton of graphs and numbers, they are all over the place if anyone WANTS to know and see them, and doesn't rely on the politicians and media politicians for such info.

This is the percentage of folks that got sick, and what percentage of them died. Not a scary as percentage as it may appear. The first number for each was as of 7 days ago, and the second number is up to date. Looks like Illinois moved up a hair, and the rest went down.

Texas - 1.67% 1.41
Arizona - 2.3% 2.01
California - 2.83% 2.53
Florida - 2.55% 2.06
Georgia - 3.79% 3.24
Illinois - 4.8% 4.82

As another reminder, this was/is NJ and NY when they/we were getting hit hard.

New York - 7.99%
New Jersey - 8.74%

[jimnyc]

HUGE news in the past week is the every day fear porn of daily records being broken with new infections from testing. BIG red letters everywhere. DON'T do this and DON'T do that.

HUGE news today in Florida setting a new record.

They are handling this and delivering the news as if this is a dang olympic event. The media seems to only care about fear, rising numbers, masks, don't go out, especially to a Trump rally! :rolleyes:

RISING and PEAKS and PREDICTIONS and FEAR and HAVOC and again with the non-stop red letters on these sites. Literally these are their words, and day after day. No good news, even if there really are some other things they can share with everyone, but they stick with fear and chaos. That stuff is bad for America, and I truly think it's what so many of them want right now.

Florida, Florida, Florida. And Damn, with my Dad down there, it did and still does scare me. Dad is 84, so for him it's more than real, and more than something that he needs to be wary of and protective of. But still, as I told him a short while ago, they don't want to share that the death counts have been lowering and lowering. And that even Florida has been lowering the death count, but rising tests and rising numbers of younger folks.

This was 8 days ago in Florida, then yesterday, and now today. You can see the continued drop.

Florida - 2.55% 2.06 1.94

As I've been saying though, unfortunately, this thing is unpredictable, and too many unknowns. So I still have to say this is what is happening "for now". I am hopeful it continues in this fashion, and that we are in fact lowering the curve. But we went from little testing in the beginning, painfully little I recall. Then it picked up, and now in many places it's running at full speed. But there is still much to be seen from the incubation periods. Between so many out there for protests and it continued on and on in various areas and still does, most of that period has went by. Trump's first rally, incubation is over. Much of the back and forth fighting of what is ok and what's not, those periods have went by. But let's hope that it continues with increasing testing, hopefully "knock on wood" we'll be able to tame the daily increases, hopefully learn and protect the elderly and compromised better, and if a "must live with it" situation for now, try and limit as best as possible, and for the young healthy bastards. And with luck, the folks dying will continue on the same 2 month downward trend.

Here are the others in that same 8 days and today, and the same trend in all of them.

Texas - 1.67% 1.41 1.39
Arizona - 2.3% 2.01 1.97
California - 2.83% 2.53 2.51
Florida - 2.55% 2.06 1.94
Georgia - 3.79% 3.24 3.15
Illinois - 4.8% 4.82 4.80

[jimnyc]

First a quick update again on leading states, the leading fear porn on the media, and the ignored yet continued decline in deaths.

Texas - 1.67% 1.41 1.39 1.35 1.34
Arizona - 2.3% 2.01 1.97 1.85 1.86
California - 2.83% 2.53 2.51 2.40
Florida - 2.55% 2.06 1.94 1.86 1.83
Georgia - 3.79% 3.24 3.15 2.99 2.99
Illinois - 4.8% 4.82 4.80 4.76 4.76

The decline continues even in the latest worst hit states with rising positive tests. The deaths could still pick up again. But we're more than long enough into the outbreaks in these areas where the deaths should have started an upward trend already. So I HOPE and PRAY it continues, for our country and folks here that may live in any affected area, but could go either way. I'm just posting and reporting what the MSM fear creators are failing refusing to report.

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Falling Daily COVID-19 Deaths Avoided in Most Media Virus Reports

If the daily deaths from COVID-19 were rising, it is a pretty safe bet that almost all of the mainstream media would be highlighting that statistic. Most likely you would see it in either the headlines or the first paragraphs of reports about the virus. Instead you very rarely see the statistics for the daily COVID-19 deaths. Can you guess why?

The more media savvy among you have probably already figured out the answer which is that the daily deaths from COVID-19 have been neither rising nor even staying stable. Instead they have been falling since the middle of April at a pretty steady rate even as the number of reported cases, due in large part to more testing, have been rising.

A typical example of a story in which you-know-what is nowhere mentioned was one of those badly disguised editorials at CNN on Friday by fervent Trump hater Stephen Collinson, which includes the almost obligatory slam at you-know-who in "Rocketing Covid-19 infections expose Trump's callous claim pandemic is 'handled'."


This is what President Donald Trump's "handled" pandemic looks like.

The United States, the world leader in Covid-19 infections and deaths, is reeling from an out-of-control resurgence of the virus that is racking up record numbers of 50,000-plus new infections each day now.

Do you see the word "deaths" above? Well, you won't find it anywhere else in Collinson's rant against Trump and Republicans because any quick analysis of the COVID-19 deaths reveals it is falling which makes it an inconvenient fact for the TDS theme of the story.

You can read for yourself the rest of Collinson's rant sans you-know-what. Oh, and a reminder to him that hydroxychloroquine has been found ineffective for the treatment of severe TDS.

Since more more and more people are starting to take notice of the falling COVID-19 daily deaths as the cases rise, CNN on Thursday published a sort of explanation (or excuse) for this by a sort of COVID Death Whisperer, Dr. Kent Sepkowitz who asks "Why have deaths stayed steady while Covid-19 infections are spiking?"

https://i.imgur.com/583IzaN.png

Rest - https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/pj-gladnick/2020/07/04/falling-daily-covid-19-deaths-avoided-most-media-virus-reports

[Hot Dogger]

Those numbers have been faked and falsified. The intent with Operation COVID is getting us vaccinated with something that either causes outright death or within a short time, or death no later than the age of 75. I don't care if you don't believe that, I worked in biological warfare and know exactly what I'm talking about when I say that vaccines are weapons of biological warfare and eugenics. Go ahead and keep believing in a country with a system of state sponsored eugenics called Planned Parenthood, go on and keep believing that organization is concerned with women's health and choice. Operation COVID is our American Holodomor and I'm going to keep saying that until I'm either dead, or you people wake up to what's really going on.

[jimnyc]

I don't care if you don't believe that

Good thing!

[jimnyc]

Number of infections still rising, and another day gone by and deaths still going down. Finger crossing works!! :)

Texas - 1.67% 1.41 1.39 1.35 1.34 1.30
Arizona - 2.3% 2.01 1.97 1.85 1.86 1.83
California - 2.83% 2.53 2.51 2.40 2.36
Florida - 2.55% 2.06 1.94 1.86 1.83 1.79
Georgia - 3.79% 3.24 3.15 2.99 2.99 2.96
Illinois - 4.8% 4.82 4.80 4.76 4.76 4.75

Every one of them has went down again. It does hop around nationally, but overall downward. Perfect example in this photo, showing daily deaths moving up and down a little, but 2 day, 3 day intervals to weekly showing it nothing but downward.

https://i.imgur.com/C31fcur.png

Overall, a good graph on the rising infections - but the downward trend of deaths:

https://i.imgur.com/9aKaUKC.png

[Gunny]

Our lockdown is on lockdown right now. They need to come up with a plan, Nation-wide, to deal with this that isn't going to kill everyone. We have real essential services stressed to the breaking point, and we have one HUGE one coming up (the Nation, not just SA): School.

[Kathianne]

Our lockdown is on lockdown right now. They need to come up with a plan, Nation-wide, to deal with this that isn't going to kill everyone. We have real essential services stressed to the breaking point, and we have one HUGE one coming up (the Nation, not just SA): School.
I’ll write something when I’m home.

[Kathianne]

Our lockdown is on lockdown right now. They need to come up with a plan, Nation-wide, to deal with this that isn't going to kill everyone. We have real essential services stressed to the breaking point, and we have one HUGE one coming up (the Nation, not just SA): School.

I think the 'lock downs' and 'school starts' have to begin with the states. AZ has never really locked down and perhaps it wasn't necessary before, but it's likely now that it is. The governor here does not seem to be the brightest bulb on the marquee.

https://www.azfamily.com/news/continuing_coverage/coronavirus_coverage/new-covid-data-from-harvard-tracker-suggests-arizona-should-immediately-shut-down-again/article_aa835200-c0aa-11ea-9269-5f2321c85379.html


New COVID data from Harvard tracker suggests Arizona should immediately shut down again
Briana WhitneyPosted 5 hrs ago

PHOENIX (3TV/CBS 5) - New data from the Harvard Global Health Institute shows Arizona in a dire place, so much so that the researchers believe the state should shut down right now.


The Harvard Global Health Institute is made up of the top scientists in this country, and just last week, they launched their online risk assessment tool for states. Arizona doctor Shad Marvasti said it's one of the best data tools developed during this pandemic, and Arizona is red hot at No. 1 for all the wrong reasons.


gyms
“It doesn’t make sense to close gyms but not dine-in for restaurants," Dr. Marvasti said.


(Source: 3TV/CBS 5)
Arizona businesses must prove COVID-19 compliance to reopen, but no details released
“If this is not a crisis and a time for us to shut down, I don’t know what is,” said Dr. Marvasti, with the University of Arizona College of Medicine. “It’s been a number of weeks now that we’ve been much higher than we should be in terms of our community spread, our percent positive.”


The institute's risk assessment map ranks states as either green, yellow, orange or red.


Green means states are on track for containment, and on the other side of the scale, red means stay at home orders are necessary.



Arizona is one of only four red states on the map, and ranked No. 1 in the entire U.S. by the number of new daily cases per 100,000 people. Dr. Marvasti said Gov. Doug Ducey's partial shutdown has inconsistencies that are failing us.

“It doesn’t make sense to close gyms but not dine-in for restaurants. The science behind why you close those places is because of the increased risk of getting coronavirus in poorly ventilated, enclosed inside settings,” he said.


Ducey said shutting down places like bars and gyms would help slow the spread and relieve stress on our health care system, but Dr. Marvasti said with hospitals overwhelmed and reaching capacity, if Arizona doesn't get a handle on this, the rest of July and August will only get worse.


ducey
Ducey said shutting down places like bars and gyms would help slow the spread and relieve stress on our health care system.


(Source: 3TV/CBS 5)
“I was quoted in the media a few weeks ago as saying we don’t want to be another New York. Well, here we are right now. And we are becoming another New York,” Dr. Marvasti said.


COVID-19 nearly five times more prevalent than influenza in Arizona
Dr. Marvasti said he hopes our public officials look at this data to make decisions on how to get Arizona on the right track. He also said it's up to individual Arizonans to make a difference, too, by taking necessary precautions to slow the spread.


https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-07-07/arizona-coronavirus-death-toll-mounts-as-hospitals-near-capacity


Arizona Coronavirus Death Toll Mounts as Hospitals Near Capacity
Arizona has emerged as a hot spot for the spread of the virus. Now the death toll appears to be catching up.
By Alexa Lardieri, Staff Writer July 7, 2020, at 3:57 p.m.

ARIZONA REPORTED 117 deaths from the coronavirus on Tuesday, bringing the total to 1,927.


Tuesday's death toll includes 52 fatalities from death certificate matching. Deaths are not recorded until the state health department receives a death certificate listing COVID-19 as the cause of death, meaning Tuesday's number could include deaths that occurred on a different day.


[MAP: The Spread of Coronavirus]


Cases in the state are climbing and, according to the Arizona Department of Health Services, the state recorded 3,653 new cases of COVID-19 on Tuesday, bringing the count to more than 105,090 cases.


Like much of the country, increases in Arizona cases are occurring among younger people. Health officials have suggested that might be a contributing factor to death tolls remaining stable in many places, although they have warned that fatalities are likely to rise as the numbers of infections escalate. That projection appears to be playing out in Arizona.


Approximately 11.3% of the Arizonians tested for either the active virus or antibodies, indicating they had the virus and have since recovered, have tested positive.


As cases increase, the state is reporting one of its lowest numbers of available intensive care unit hospital beds.


Five percent, or 5,272, COVID-19 patients are hospitalized, and Arizona had 10%, or 167, of its ICU beds available as of Monday. The health department said 1,481 ICU beds in use.


Additionally, the state has about half of its ventilators, life-saving machines used on the most critical patients, available. Fifty-one percent, or 895, were being used as of Monday.


Regina Romero, the mayor of Tucson, told CNN on Tuesday that she is very concerned about the dwindling hospital capacity. Pima County, where Tucson is located, has the second highest number of cases in Arizona, with 10,184, including 311 new cases on Tuesday. The county has reported 302 deaths, including 20 on Tuesday, according to the Arizona Department of Health.


The county has an overall positivity rate of 9.1% and 746 people are hospitalized.

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[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Does not matter what state-numbers are being manipulated to try to keep the panic going.
"THEY"-- want another wave to be going- to affect the coming election and give them more authority to take away our freedoms.
We have a shadow government within our government. And I mean one that is totally globalist controlled and one that bosses the dem party.
America had best wake up to reality.
Yes there is a C-19 virus but it does not rate to be much worse than any other virus that has come along in recent decades.
This massive unbelievable over reaction has been falsely created for political purposes and never before in history has there been such an amount of lying going on in order to attempt to stop a President .
While most Americans are blind to the fact that --"THEY" are making an undeclared war on us! FACT...
If Biden gets in -this nation will never recover... and that is in their plan too.. --Tyr

[Gunny]

I think the 'lock downs' and 'school starts' have to begin with the states. AZ has never really locked down and perhaps it wasn't necessary before, but it's likely now that it is. The governor here does not seem to be the brightest bulb on the marquee.

https://www.azfamily.com/news/continuing_coverage/coronavirus_coverage/new-covid-data-from-harvard-tracker-suggests-arizona-should-immediately-shut-down-again/article_aa835200-c0aa-11ea-9269-5f2321c85379.html


https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-07-07/arizona-coronavirus-death-toll-mounts-as-hospitals-near-capacityWe were never rally locked down either. Not when it first hit and the East Coast was in full panic mode. We were just being careful and the whole time I was just saying/thinking "it just hasn't got here yet".

Well, it's here. I don't believe in coincidences much, and it arrived in force about a week after they "re-opened" the State, that was never really shut down. Cities were. Our hospitals are currently at 100% and they're shipping bodies all over the State to get them beds. The military bases here in SA closed down day before yesterday. No one in or out.

I've just been doing my same old thing. I already had myself on "lockdown" not chancing a bout of pneumonia after I got out of the hospital. Haven't really gone anywhere because 3 years or not, I'm just NOW getting back to pre-hospital shape where I don't feel like an idiot whenever I go anywhere.

School: They're re-opening school. Choice is online or in class, but it's on or the other by semester. Meaning if you go online, you have to finish the semester to put the kids in actual school the next. That of course is a problem for me because my daughter is teaching in class, virus or no. If I have to handle the 7 years old AND the toddler it's not looking good from ANY viewpoint. He's a toddler and she's a piece of work.

That of course is today. There's always "tomorrow's plan":rolleyes:

[Gunny]

Does not matter what state-numbers are being manipulated to try to keep the panic going.
"THEY"-- want another wave to be going- to affect the coming election and give them more authority to take away our freedoms.
We have a shadow government within our government. And I mean one that is totally globalist controlled and one that bosses the dem party.
America had best wake up to reality.
Yes there is a C-19 virus but it does not rate to be much worse than any other virus that has come along in recent decades.
This massive unbelievable over reaction has been falsely created for political purposes and never before in history has there been such an amount of lying going on in order to attempt to stop a President .
While most Americans are blind to the fact that --"THEY" are making an undeclared war on us! FACT...
If Biden gets in -this nation will never recover... and that is in their plan too.. --TyrThe virus is situational. I live in one of the largest cities in the US. So do some others. It's not the same as living in the sticks. My father lives in Navarre, FL and he thinks it's bunk too. Y'all don't have a couple million city rats breathing all over you and sharing the airspace.

Sure it's being played by politics. Politics did not invent the virus. Politics isn't controlling a virus. The left is using the virus for a smokescreen. I predicted they would when it started. I'm not a politician nor have the games being played around the country been played here. Anything I can do politically I can do right here at my desk. I AM caught up in the school re-opening crap because my daughter's a teacher and two of my grandchildren go to school.

On a good day, deadly to me or not, I don't want to be sick from any kind of flu. It sucks and the older I get, the longer it lasts. I certainly do not understand what game anyone thinks is being played in that regard. If you don't wear a mask here, you can't go in the store. Some have tried to make it sound as if we're opting out on a bright sunny day for fear of rain, and such is not the case.

I see all the double standards, lies and political crap going on. None of it makes the flu go away and hope if anyone has to catch it, it's all these nimrods hiding behind it to violate the law and our society. In that regard, I have been quite clear I think it's the President's job to step in and stop these game-playing Governors and/or mayors in their tracks.

[jimnyc]

The virus is situational. I live in one of the largest cities in the US. So do some others. It's not the same as living in the sticks. My father lives in Navarre, FL and he thinks it's bunk too. Y'all don't have a couple million city rats breathing all over you and sharing the airspace.

Absolutely. It's got changing numbers in areas with different populations. Much less mass transit in some areas. Much more open space in some areas. Then areas with limited places to escape, and with mass transit around not helping things and/or different areas handling masks differently and shut downs differently. And then the weird/scary part, is that the virus has been seen to fluctuate in strength and strains. So life IS like a box of chocolates, and ya never know what you're going to get!

Mass transit in places like NYC should have been shut down, and continue until certain numbers are met. And be willing to open/shut at a moments notice when necessary. Same in other states like California, Texas or anywhere with a ton of people and a large mass transit system. I think ALL schools should go 100% virtual until further notice. While things seem to be lesser in comparison to what hit the tri-state area on the east coast, we do not want to see the same hit in every state. We are seeing California, Texas, Arizona, Florida and others. The amount of deaths are different - thus far - but evening out now. So now is not the time to continue "as is" IMO, but time to shut shit down like we did and others. It'll open back up, and then maybe be shut down again.

The goal should be to continue this downward trend, and shut things down if any individual state should even out or start to rise, and then act accordingly.

Seems like an easy decision on Monday Morning QB'n things. Make goals, monitor more than thoroughly, take precautions and shut down when necessary. But that doesn't account for loss of business or entire businesses, lost income for workers, people still need things and still need money to pay for them - ALL the things we have all long discussed. The damage was beyond incredible already. But you also can't just say "Sorry, can't afford it as a country, or as a state, so just do as-is and hope you don't die".

Looks like I somehow missed a day with Cali, don't know why the count there is less. The bold is today's numbers.


Texas - 1.67% 1.41 1.39 1.35 1.34 1.30 1.28
Arizona - 2.3% 2.01 1.97 1.85 1.86 1.83 1.83
California - 2.83% 2.53 2.51 2.40 2.36 2.31
Florida - 2.55% 2.06 1.94 1.86 1.83 1.79 1.79
Georgia - 3.79% 3.24 3.15 2.99 2.99 2.96 2.88
Illinois - 4.8% 4.82 4.80 4.76 4.76 4.75 4.86

Still mainly a downward trend - but not what you would call a pretty sight. People are still rising in infections, many still hospitalized or in the ICU. And of course while lower than what it once was, folks still dying daily. And Arizona, Illinois and Florida have now evened out for 2 days. Likely means it may start upward now, but let's hope I am wrong. Illinois, now they took a jump upwards, and they also have a much higher total death count than the others. I'm really surprised that Cali has still continued downward. And of course we have Georgia, where the governor is a criminal and should be jailed. Things were handled differently and earlier there, and they too have taken a downward trend.

Ensure masks are worn, limit interactions in stores or crowds and get out of dodge. Clean with disinfectant when leaving and clean thoroughly with soap and water when back home. Stay away from anyone you know that has a compromised immune system for now. Try and protect any elderly within your family. At a bare minimum, wear the PPE whenever around any of the above. Tiny things may at least help keep the downward trend on deaths, or keep them from rising much, until we can get a successful vaccine out there.

As an aside, there are like 15 companies out there working diligently on a vaccine, and a handful are well on their way into testing phases, and a few of them are in the 30,000+ trial stage.

[Abbey Marie]

Delaware is now bad enough that NJ is requiring quarantine if we visit there. :(

[jimnyc]

Delaware is now bad enough that NJ is requiring quarantine if we visit there. :(

Yups, they have now made it 19 states, if anyone coming from them visits us, they must first quarantine for 14 days when they get here. :rolleyes::laugh:

So they allow for a lot of "anything goes" in NY and NJ. I saw a lack of enforcement for quite a long time. The nursing homes disaster. Mass transit never shutting down. SO many mistakes were made, which they of course blame Trump for, and now they act like Gods and want to now enforce based on other states.

I can almost understand Delaware. I direct border to NJ, but still with limited deaths and infections there. :dunno:

But then Kansas and Oklahoma were the other 2 states added yesterday along with Delaware. 289 deaths in Kansas and 404 in Oklahoma.

34,212 - that is total infections between the 2 states together. NOT minimizing anyone sick, as I would be terrified. And certainly not minimizing the deaths, as one death is one too many. But we're dealing with numbers and facts only when I discuss numbers.

32,243. Quite the similar number! But that is DEATHS ALONE in NY. These 2 states barely have as many infections as were dead alone in NY. 15,281 more from NJ. 47,524 deaths between NY/NJ alone.

572,115 total infections. And the places with those kinds of numbers, are the ones taking charge and not allowing for freely traveling.

Now that NY/NJ has evened out as far as new infections are concerned, is this the appropriate decisions? And specifically how many new infections/deaths does it take to be added to their long list? Maybe it is the right answer, protect the rest of the citizens. Dunno. But I think both Murphy and Cuomo are clueless and responsible for a lot of deaths.

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It'll be interesting to see as each individual state pans out, and how they handle things maybe differently than other states. How will numbers change between them. And, most important, as states deal with this virus, and some get more infections than others. And then hopefully they all take the same route and decrease and even out some. And then the wait is on for a vaccine.

But as this happens - will places like NY have a resurgence, as other places fluctuate, and time passes? I think it happens.

And we know about the fight in the beginning - and we know it was right then and right now - that the states have power over themselves, and Trump isn't in charge of telling them what to do. Until something happens, deaths, and then its time again to blame Trump for the outcome of those states own decisions. :rolleyes:

/another long winded rant over.

[Abbey Marie]

We were finally about to eat (Outdoors) at our favorite LBI restaurant. Now I guess that’s out.

When do we get good news?

[jimnyc]

We were finally about to eat (Outdoors) at our favorite LBI restaurant. Now I guess that’s out.

When do we get good news?

When all democrats retire at once.

[Kathianne]

When all democrats retire at once.

I understand that the democrats are playing games where the virus has passed for the time being. That AZ is going to open the schools in about 3 weeks is sort of weird. That NY still hasn't a clue is unforgivable, they are using the children for politics. I get that.

I also get the idea that the virus is going to disappear if Biden is elected, which is a common saying on the right, on the despised social media outlets, is also as wrong and detrimental to the US or what is left of it. Same with those claiming the idea of masks is the new way to communism. Not idiots, but sheep of their identification as 'right.'

Like Gunny, we are dealing with what you were months ago, but without the 'country' behind us. I've not changed what I'm doing, same as Gunny. It does suck though that when a good word could be used, it seems for the most part we're thrown into working for the left because the left likes our infections and the right doesn't. Thus, we must be part of the left.

[jimnyc]

I understand that the democrats are playing games where the virus has passed for the time being. That AZ is going to open the schools in about 3 weeks is sort of weird. That NY still hasn't a clue is unforgivable, they are using the children for politics. I get that.

I also get the idea that the virus is going to disappear if Biden is elected, which is a common saying on the right, on the despised social media outlets, is also as wrong and detrimental to the US or what is left of it. Same with those claiming the idea of masks is the new way to communism. Not idiots, but sheep of their identification as 'right.'

Like Gunny, we are dealing with what you were months ago, but without the 'country' behind us. I've not changed what I'm doing, same as Gunny. It does suck though that when a good word could be used, it seems for the most part we're thrown into working for the left because the left likes our infections and the right doesn't. Thus, we must be part of the left.

Nope, certainly not from me and my POV, and the limited folks I engage! I know exactly what folks are dealing with right now and potentially if it gets worse. Been still looking at all the numbers where things are the harshest and replaying the important news out there.

And even when I point out numbers, from horrid to downward - I always include repeatedly that there IS a horrid virus out there, infections are in fact rising, hospitals in areas where the spread is currently at are getting filled up including the ICU and ventilator usage. I'm still crossing my fingers for continued trends.

I try to make sure that not only are numbers pointed out, but also numbers not being pointed out or ignored for whatever reason. In another words, I've been trying to stay on top of some things, while ensuring some positive truths get heard, but also ensuring that the rising numbers are known about. Same for the lack of a vaccine and many other things.

I don't think anything changes in November if Biden wins. In fact, it will have zero effect. We all know that. But I think the media changes massively. If things continue negatively, they will suddenly be able to find and discuss any positive trends, and certain bad things won't be discussed as if it's porn, or fear porn. And if by chance things and when things started getting better anywhere, of course we know Biden would get credit. But the virus itself or what is happening to people out there won't change simply because someone else takes over or if one stays. There is a lot of BS within the media for a certainty. Same goes for so many others reporting on things that feel as if their words will somehow help change things.

I know my stance on masks won't be changing no matter who sits in DC. I won't refrain simply because Trump does, nor would I wear one because of him, or because of Biden.

I honestly feel for you guys. I don't know how folks feel as things get increasingly dire at hospitals, numbers rising quickly... but it scared the shit out of me and I didn't want to be a stat myself! And then the rules, new rules and mandates daily. New rules everywhere you go, but the more tighter things got ran along with the rising numbers and deaths. And I have a bad feeling it's coming back for sure. And it's not even gone, we still have daily infections and deaths still, just not as bad. But for me, the not wanting to get sick, the not wanting to die - I sure as F follow the rules and am anal about everything as I was day one mainly. Then you get less and less wanting to go anywhere for the rising fears. Then WHO is sick, and were they in MY local stores I go to? So it's a lot on the old noggin to begin with, but add your life on the line - and I assure you, I know how some of you must feel.

So when I point out the "actual" numbers and stuff, and downward death trends... it's not to diminish or to not understand or to play any of the games we read about. I point them out because I think it IS a huge positive when you see states with scary rising numbers, but not yet the deaths, and downward for many still. That's something people should hear on the news, and should be kept up to date about, along with the shitty news. But I know it's tough to find positive when your state is being inundated with sickness. :(

[Kathianne]

Nope, certainly not from me and my POV, and the limited folks I engage! I know exactly what folks are dealing with right now and potentially if it gets worse. Been still looking at all the numbers where things are the harshest and replaying the important news out there.

And even when I point out numbers, from horrid to downward - I always include repeatedly that there IS a horrid virus out there, infections are in fact rising, hospitals in areas where the spread is currently at are getting filled up including the ICU and ventilator usage. I'm still crossing my fingers for continued trends.

I try to make sure that not only are numbers pointed out, but also numbers not being pointed out or ignored for whatever reason. In another words, I've been trying to stay on top of some things, while ensuring some positive truths get heard, but also ensuring that the rising numbers are known about. Same for the lack of a vaccine and many other things.

I don't think anything changes in November if Biden wins. In fact, it will have zero effect. We all know that. But I think the media changes massively. If things continue negatively, they will suddenly be able to find and discuss any positive trends, and certain bad things won't be discussed as if it's porn, or fear porn. And if by chance things and when things started getting better anywhere, of course we know Biden would get credit. But the virus itself or what is happening to people out there won't change simply because someone else takes over or if one stays. There is a lot of BS within the media for a certainty. Same goes for so many others reporting on things that feel as if their words will somehow help change things.

I know my stance on masks won't be changing no matter who sits in DC. I won't refrain simply because Trump does, nor would I wear one because of him, or because of Biden.

I honestly feel for you guys. I don't know how folks feel as things get increasingly dire at hospitals, numbers rising quickly... but it scared the shit out of me and I didn't want to be a stat myself! And then the rules, new rules and mandates daily. New rules everywhere you go, but the more tighter things got ran along with the rising numbers and deaths. And I have a bad feeling it's coming back for sure. And it's not even gone, we still have daily infections and deaths still, just not as bad. But for me, the not wanting to get sick, the not wanting to die - I sure as F follow the rules and am anal about everything as I was day one mainly. Then you get less and less wanting to go anywhere for the rising fears. Then WHO is sick, and were they in MY local stores I go to? So it's a lot on the old noggin to begin with, but add your life on the line - and I assure you, I know how some of you must feel.

So when I point out the "actual" numbers and stuff, and downward death trends... it's not to diminish or to not understand or to play any of the games we read about. I point them out because I think it IS a huge positive when you see states with scary rising numbers, but not yet the deaths, and downward for many still. That's something people should hear on the news, and should be kept up to date about, along with the shitty news. But I know it's tough to find positive when your state is being inundated with sickness. :(

Yeah, I can't say I'm paranoid, if I were I couldn't go to work. ;) I too though do what I have to in order to maintain as much safety as I can. Beyond that what happens, happens.

I think either the deaths are lagging or it really is much younger folks and they've done good at protecting the nursing homes and senior living centers-which abound here in AZ.

I'm just sick of being in a state that has these numbers and both the right and left are mostly acting only on politics, not concern for their fellow man/woman. I truly wish there was a leader worthy of support.

[Abbey Marie]

The weird thing here is that we aren’t actually that bad. We barely hit some arbitrary number that automatically put us on the naughty list, and boom, being treated like a pariah state. The thing is, while we are being told to quarantine elsewhere, we are still allowing everyone to enter Delaware, and folks do come to our beaches down south, where the biggest virus numbers are.

I am ready to move more than ever. My excitement in life consists of occasional drives with Russ through countryside, when he isn’t working, anyway. It’s living the outdoor life vicariously. Just not the same. Meanwhile my young cousin is driving and hiking through Alaska, seeing incredible scenery, wildlife, etc. Ehh, I’m rambling here.
Point is, it feels like we are being swept along a tide of political decision-making, where we are just pawns.
With no end in sight.

[jimnyc]

The weird thing here is that we aren’t actually that bad. We barely hit some arbitrary number that automatically put us on the naughty list, and boom, being treated like a pariah state. The thing is, while we are being told to quarantine elsewhere, we are still allowing everyone to enter Delaware, and folks do come to our beaches down south, where the biggest virus numbers are.

I am ready to move more than ever. My excitement in life consists of occasional drives with Russ through countryside, when he isn’t working, anyway. It’s living the outdoor life vicariously. Just not the same. Meanwhile my young cousin is driving and hiking through Alaska, seeing incredible scenery, wildlife, etc. Ehh, I’m rambling here.
Point is, it feels like we are being swept along a tide of political decision-making, where we are just pawns.
With no end in sight.

That's what I was saying yesterday with the latest 3 states that NY/NJ added to their kill list.

515 dead in Delaware. 292 in Kansas & 407. NOT to diminish, just that those numbers are small in comparison, and rising infections in comparison. And who all complained when other states did the same to NY/NJ when the numbers were just a little higher than that? I agreed back then as our state was out of control. But not all states are like that. But infection is infection and I guess doesn't take many to set off an outbreak somewhere.

None of the numbers I post are to diminish anything. Just maybe, if anything, bring a little positive to folks. But the bad is in there too and cannot be ignored. Just that the bad shouldn't turn into fear porn and the good shouldn't be told as if the only thing and things are about over or near over.

While I point out downward trends in various areas, or nationally, that DOES NOT mean that people aren't still getting sick or or aren't still dying. In fact, to understand the death rate, the mortality rate, it's based on multiplication and division and other things I hate but based on the population. But these states ARE seeing higher numbers than they did previously. So more people being tested overall, but the folks found infected ARE rising. And with more and more testing, and more younger people and more recovering - along WITH increasing deaths is why the rate goes downward. But in these places, or let's say Arizona - the daily and 7 day trends of infections are rising. The daily and 7 day rolling look at things and you see that the amount of people dying IS rising. It's just that the overall numbers are being off set somewhat by more testing, younger folks and recovery.

With that in mind, the numbers for these places have lowered again. The mortality rate. This would apply to looking at the state overall as a whole.

Texas - 1.67% 1.41 1.39 1.35 1.34 1.30 1.28 1.27
Arizona - 2.3% 2.01 1.97 1.85 1.86 1.83 1.83 1.80
California - 2.83% 2.53 2.51 2.40 2.36 2.31 2.29
Florida - 2.55% 2.06 1.94 1.86 1.83 1.79 1.79 1.73
Georgia - 3.79% 3.24 3.15 2.99 2.99 2.96 2.88 2.81
Illinois - 4.8% 4.82 4.80 4.76 4.76 4.75 4.86 4.85

All lower. Illinois actually did a larger increase yesterday and then dropped back down again today. And as you see, for another example, Texas dropped from 1.28 to 1.27, from 1.67 a week and a half ago or so.

But to look at the scarier side of the trends, you'll see average cases per day with a large increase, looks to have started the rise around 6/4-6/11 and upward.

https://i.imgur.com/HYht820.png

And the deaths per day in Texas, up and down and up and down and up and down, but overall increasing and increasing

https://i.imgur.com/gVI7RmM.png

And then the overall death rate, the mortality rate. What the media doesn't want to show and discuss. The massive increase in daily testings. States are testing anywhere from 40-50k per day now. Whereas in the beginning it was barely at all. More tests will equal more infections found. And many reasons dictate the ages. And the ages of course will effect the deaths. So a LOT more to the story than just "increase=death=very scary=do what we say and vote out Trump"

https://i.imgur.com/0IO7Wl9.png

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

My friends, I hope someday in the future the full truth will come out.
That this nation should have never been --shut down-, and its booming economy destroyed.
That millions were so devastated financially and who knows how many small businesses were bankrupted.
That immediately the dem party seized on this virus threat to use as a political weapon and thereby started
this calamitous snowball rolling downhill to so devastate this nation, divide its citizens and wreck havoc to
such a tragic degree.
Mark my words, truth will eventually out to prove what I am now saying, imho.
May take a few years or even a decade ..-Tyr

[jimnyc]

My friends, I hope someday in the future the full truth will come out.
That this nation should have never been --shut down-, and its booming economy destroyed.
That millions were so devastated financially and who knows how many small businesses were bankrupted.
That immediately the dem party seized on this virus threat to use as a political weapon and thereby started
this calamitous snowball rolling downhill to so devastate this nation, divide its citizens and wreck havoc to
such a tragic degree.
Mark my words, truth will eventually out to prove what I am now saying, imho.
May take a few years or even a decade ..-Tyr

Here are some things that I think will come out eventually:

With paying hospitals $13,000 for every admitted patient that tests positive, and then $52,000 in total if they end up on a ventilator - I have little doubt that some will abuse that for profit. I hope that every single one gets found in some audit and all get prosecuted if so.

I think, for various reasons, that hospital administrators, doctors & nurses will have been found altering numbers to their liking, in either direction.

Although above the law, of course politicians report things all over the map to their individual liking. :rolleyes:

I think you will find out that medical examiners altered numbers. Along with other in charge, from the CDC, WHO and any other overseeing agencies.

I also think many lied about numbers lower, in order to open up states, of course political reasons and others.

The MSM is more than complicit. They lie along with whatever the Democrats say. Then take liberties themselves in developing fear. They will lie about numbers and omit other things.

Without any doubt, many democrats and others worked tirelessly to shut things down in our country. Harm the economy, harm the individual at home, create fear and chaos. Trump's best success was with our economy, with our jobs & much more. As many know, the economy alone can easily win the incumbent another 4 years. The Democrats know this. So harm the economy, create problems and take advantage of other problems to create more fear and chaos - and hopefully it all develops into anger.

Doctors/hospitals and others increasing the numbers by declaring it a covid-19 death, even if something else was the primary reason or cause of death. And others being declared positive or died from it simply because they believe that to be the case, even though no test ever administered.

--

And then on top of all of that, these various lies and being all over the map with facts and lack of them - they more and more only confused many Americans and added to the chaos.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Here are some things that I think will come out eventually:

With paying hospitals $13,000 for every admitted patient that tests positive, and then $52,000 in total if they end up on a ventilator - I have little doubt that some will abuse that for profit. I hope that every single one gets found in some audit and all get prosecuted if so.

I think, for various reasons, that hospital administrators, doctors & nurses will have been found altering numbers to their liking, in either direction.

Although above the law, of course politicians report things all over the map to their individual liking. :rolleyes:

I think you will find out that medical examiners altered numbers. Along with other in charge, from the CDC, WHO and any other overseeing agencies.

I also think many lied about numbers lower, in order to open up states, of course political reasons and others.

The MSM is more than complicit. They lie along with whatever the Democrats say. Then take liberties themselves in developing fear. They will lie about numbers and omit other things.

Without any doubt, many democrats and others worked tirelessly to shut things down in our country. Harm the economy, harm the individual at home, create fear and chaos. Trump's best success was with our economy, with our jobs & much more. As many know, the economy alone can easily win the incumbent another 4 years. The Democrats know this. So harm the economy, create problems and take advantage of other problems to create more fear and chaos - and hopefully it all develops into anger.

Doctors/hospitals and others increasing the numbers by declaring it a covid-19 death, even if something else was the primary reason or cause of death. And others being declared positive or died from it simply because they believe that to be the case, even though no test ever administered.

--

And then on top of all of that, these various lies and being all over the map with facts and lack of them - they more and more only confused many Americans and added to the chaos.

Truly well said. My point is hopefully the malicious nature of the deliberate lies told and actions taken -with intent to harm this nation, is citizens in
order to try to stop Trump from getting a second term will be fully exposed.
If full exposure ever occurs the dem party and those complicit should be jailed and prosecuted-as they did far, far more than neglect their sworn duty-they engaged in criminal activities to try to steal an election they knew was going for Trump. And did so with the deliberate intent to weaken this nation, harm its citizens and try to gain unconstitutional power.-Tyr
And that is a golden fact..-Tyr

[Kathianne]

Lagging deaths increase or just record keeping update?

https://hotair.com/archives/allahpundit/2020/07/09/uh-oh-three-hot-spot-states-set-daily-records-covid-deaths/


A follow-up to this post (https://hotair.com/archives/allahpundit/2020/07/07/fauci-false-narrative-take-comfort-lower-rate-death/) from Tuesday is in order in light of last night’s new daily data. “We’re only a week or two away from solving our national mystery about whether an uptick in deaths is merely ‘lagging’ the rise in cases nationally or if something fundamental has changed about the epidemic to make COVID-19 durably less deadly,” I wrote there, although that really shouldn’t have been presented as an either/or. It could be (and maybe is likely to be) that both are true. We’re destined to see some rise in deaths as case counts in hard-hit states skyrocket but maybe nothing like the rise we saw in New York and New Jersey earlier in the pandemic. Doctors have gotten better at treating COVID-19. Some who would have died in April will survive now.


SEE ALSO: Hmmm: Weekly jobless claims still at 1.3 million — but continuing claims drop sharply (https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2020/07/09/hmmm-weekly-jobless-claims-still-1-3-million-continuing-claims-drop-sharply/)
But we may be getting early confirmation of the first part of that analysis. Arizona, Texas, and California all recorded more coronavirus deaths (https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/07/08/coronavirus-deaths-surge-in-california-as-state-records-deadliest-day-of-pandemic/) in one of the past two days than they have on any other day since the start of the pandemic.




Public health officials across California reported 151 coronavirus deaths on Wednesday, far surpassing the previous single-day high of 122 deaths set on May 19, according to data compiled by this news organization.

Earlier Wednesday, before the record-breaking number of deaths was reported, Gov. Gavin Newsom warned that people should not let fatigue or an apparently falling mortality rate from COVID-19 obscure “the reality still of hundreds of people across this country dying on a daily basis from this disease.”…

Hospitalizations have been on the rise as well. And the percentage of tests for coronavirus that are coming back positive has been growing: The seven-day average of that rate reached 7.5 percent this week, compared to 4.4 percent a month ago.



Texas (https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/coronavirus/texas-hits-record-with-98-new-covid-19-deaths-reported/2403184/) recorded 98 deaths, “far surpassing” the previous record (set just a day before) of 60. A day earlier, Arizona recorded 117 deaths, “far surpassing” the previous record of 88. These aren’t modest increases; as a percentage, they’re big leaps. Maybe, hopefully, they’re partial artifacts of the slowdown over July 4th weekend — that is, maybe some counties got backlogged in recording deaths for a day or two and what we’re seeing in the past 48 hours is them clearing those backlogs.

But the national picture suggests otherwise:

Deaths are up week over week through Wednesday. Since they’re a lagging indicator of a surge in cases, it’s reasonable to fear that trend will hold for awhile.

POTUS continues to try to convince the public that what they’re seeing right now, as the U.S. sets another record daily high in confirmed cases (https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/506334-us-records-more-than-60000-coronavirus-cases-to-set-new-single-day-record), is merely an artifact of more testing:


But it’s not true and the rising death toll is evidence. If the total number of infections in the population were stable or declining, with case counts rising simply because we’ve been testing more, we should expect to see hospitalizations and deaths stable or declining as well. In fact, we should expect severe cases of COVID to decline even if the number of infections is steady thanks to improved treatments. The fact that that the hospitalizations graph looks like this (https://covidtracking.com/data/charts/us-all-key-metrics)…


https://hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/u.png


…is the best proof we could ask for that the number of infections really is rising ominously. It’s not a function of testing. In fact, notes Ari Schulman (https://twitter.com/AriSchulman/status/1281223259594391555), the percentage of total tests that are turning up positive has risen over the past two weeks in 37 states. If infections in the population were steady or declining, the opposite would be true as testing increases. As for comparing ourselves to other countries:

Here’s another ominous, and familiar, piece of evidence of a surging epidemic from one of the hardest-hit cities in the country, Houston. There’s a rash of people dropping dead there at home before EMTs can reach them (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/coronavirus-surges-houston-confronts-its-hidden-toll-people-dying-home-n1233151), just as there was in New York City in March and April:


Dr. Peter Hotez, dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at the Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, said the surge in at-home deaths reflects the nature of the way COVID-19 attacks the body. Early on, he said, doctors were focused on respiratory symptoms, but case studies in New York and elsewhere showed the virus also causes serious heart problems that can lead to sudden deaths.

“And it seems to be happening both early and late in the course of the illness,” Hotez said. “So patients are recovering and then they’ll come home from the hospital and they’ll die. Or they were never diagnosed, and the first manifestation is sudden death. So that’s a very frightening aspect of COVID-19 and why we need to work so hard to slow the spread, because you don’t even get the chance to seek medical attention.”…

Data from the Houston Fire Department shows a 45 percent jump since February in the number of cardiac arrest calls that ended with paramedics declaring people dead upon their arrival at the scene. In March, the department recorded about 250 dead-on-arrival calls, the most of any month in the past two years up until that point. In June, the number grew to nearly 300, more than 75 in excess of either of the previous two Junes. And on July 3, officials said the department experienced the most such calls on a single day in recent memory: 18.



The raw numbers of deaths are much, much smaller than they were in New York, but whether that’ll be true durably or whether it’s true merely at the moment, with vastly higher counts to come, is still unknown. This piece (https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/8/21317128/improved-covid-treatment-hospitals-remdesivir-dexamethasone) on the various ways doctors have learned to better treat the disease and save lives is encouraging. They’re “proning” patients reliably now to help them breathe, using nasal cannula more for oxygen to try to avert the ordeal of being placed on a ventilator, watching for blood clots that have been known to afflict some COVID patients. They have drugs like remdesivir that have proven to hasten recovery and dexamethasone that have proven to save lives in severe cases. It’s hard to imagine we’d see anything like the death tolls we saw in April and May *if* infections don’t keep growing exponentially.

But if they do, at some point the sheer number of patients should logically produce the scale of death we saw a few months ago. ICUs in hard-hit states are already filling up (https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/506222-43-florida-icus-at-capacity-as-coronavirus-cases-surge) and spaces like convention centers (https://www.statesman.com/news/20200707/austin-convention-center-being-prepped-as-field-hospital-for-coronavirus-patients) are being prepared for excess capacity. There are only so many doctors and so much medicine to try to prevent severe cases from turning fatal. Which brings us to a lingering mystery: How many people were really infected in March and April, when testing was abysmal? We’re setting daily records in case counts now but that may be due to the fact that capacity has grown so much over the past two months. If we were testing at this scale when 800 people a day were dying in NYC, how many confirmed daily cases would we have had? 50,000? Or more like 200,000? As ominous as the epidemic looks right now in the south, it may still be just a fraction of what the northeast experienced this past spring.

Go read Derek Thompson’s five theories (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/why-covid-death-rate-down/613945/) for why the current death toll, although rising, isn’t exploding. They’re all familiar, especially the fact that infections have been trending younger over the past month, but it’s useful to have them presented side by side.

[Abbey Marie]

Speaking of two things being true at the same time: It is very possible, yes even likely, that this is a dangerous and deadly yet non-malicious virus AND it has been used as a political football to influence the upcoming election. Both can be true. Which makes mask-wearing/non-wearing as a political decision absolutely absurd.

[Kathianne]

Speaking of two things being true at the same time: It is very possible, yes even likely, that this is a dangerous and deadly yet non-malicious virus AND it has been used as a political football to influence the upcoming election. Both can be true. Which makes mask-wearing/non-wearing as a political decision absolutely absurd.

With that said, Abbey, thought you'd enjoy this. I did.

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/106929555_4821138394563767_3920180130642752281_n.j pg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=nNU4C0hGIZEAX-tucIk&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&oh=9a2846ddd6fed7b30a18d46c13d55bf3&oe=5F2CAE8D

[Abbey Marie]

With that said, @Abbey (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=11), thought you'd enjoy this. I did.

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/106929555_4821138394563767_3920180130642752281_n.j pg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=nNU4C0hGIZEAX-tucIk&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&oh=9a2846ddd6fed7b30a18d46c13d55bf3&oe=5F2CAE8D

Yes!

[jimnyc]

Speaking of two things being true at the same time: It is very possible, yes even likely, that this is a dangerous and deadly yet non-malicious virus AND it has been used as a political football to influence the upcoming election. Both can be true. Which makes mask-wearing/non-wearing as a political decision absolutely absurd.

Yeppers. That's what I've been saying all along. Covid-19 is quite real. Infections are huge around the world. Individual states having different outbreaks at different times as things seem to get around the country. Seeing some states with obvious rising infections along with rising deaths. And yes, rising faster is the amount of tests performed. All ages are getting hit, and the elderly are still those most susceptible to dying. For what I'm sure is varying reasons, more and more younger folks are getting sick this time around and thanks heavens that brings along less total deaths. Some of it pointed it and discussed on TV and some ignored.

But absolutely at the same time it's being taken advantage of 100% for sure, and beyond likely with many others. For example, the media in so many instances is guilty of lying by omission. And when it's stuff they ignore continually and basically never covered, it was planned. Too many on ALL sides giving differing opinions and facts to confuse the shit out of the public, or to create the fear and chaos I spoke of, as that leads to election change. Trust me, I could go on for days with the BS that has taken place and continues. Hell, can't rely on the WHO, that's a fact. And the CDC isn't much better, and after admitting to lying awhile back, they can't be trusted in my book. Not when it comes to important health matters.

And with that said, and me too, just not that #metoo, with that said, the rising infections are all too real. As in record setting real. If you look at the past 7 days and each day the amount of deaths is larger than the day before, and then the following week of 7 days is increasing and the 7 day count is up again, then obviously shit is real and things are rising upward. Ain't no different than it was in NY but for some small differences. Different populations depending on where you go. Different density depending on where you go. Different age groups coming in for testing. Things handled differently by each state. Massive uptick in overall testing. Hell, even reported different and less deadly and more deadly strains apparently seen in different areas. No easy way to figure all this out.

And I think we already know the answer to help us stay steady until we can get a vaccine, at least many of us know. The real simple things of protecting certain people, wearing appropriate masks depending on each situation, gloves can be great too, use disinfectant when soap and water not easily accessible and then use the soap and water generously. :) Simple common sense precautions, IMO. Oh, and don't go to parties or other literally mobbed places. And don't partake in any events labeled similarly to "see who catches coronavirus" and go without masks. :rolleyes: But unfortunately, stupidity is probably the leading cause of infections.

[Kathianne]

Yeppers. That's what I've been saying all along. Covid-19 is quite real. Infections are huge around the world. Individual states having different outbreaks at different times as things seem to get around the country. Seeing some states with obvious rising infections along with rising deaths. And yes, rising faster is the amount of tests performed. All ages are getting hit, and the elderly are still those most susceptible to dying. For what I'm sure is varying reasons, more and more younger folks are getting sick this time around and thanks heavens that brings along less total deaths. Some of it pointed it and discussed on TV and some ignored.

But absolutely at the same time it's being taken advantage of 100% for sure, and beyond likely with many others. For example, the media in so many instances is guilty of lying by omission. And when it's stuff they ignore continually and basically never covered, it was planned. Too many on ALL sides giving differing opinions and facts to confuse the shit out of the public, or to create the fear and chaos I spoke of, as that leads to election change. Trust me, I could go on for days with the BS that has taken place and continues. Hell, can't rely on the WHO, that's a fact. And the CDC isn't much better, and after admitting to lying awhile back, they can't be trusted in my book. Not when it comes to important health matters.

And with that said, and me too, just not that #metoo, with that said, the rising infections are all too real. As in record setting real. If you look at the past 7 days and each day the amount of deaths is larger than the day before, and then the following week of 7 days is increasing and the 7 day count is up again, then obviously shit is real and things are rising upward. Ain't no different than it was in NY but for some small differences. Different populations depending on where you go. Different density depending on where you go. Different age groups coming in for testing. Things handled differently by each state. Massive uptick in overall testing. Hell, even reported different and less deadly and more deadly strains apparently seen in different areas. No easy way to figure all this out.

And I think we already know the answer to help us stay steady until we can get a vaccine, at least many of us know. The real simple things of protecting certain people, wearing appropriate masks depending on each situation, gloves can be great too, use disinfectant when soap and water not easily accessible and then use the soap and water generously. :) Simple common sense precautions, IMO. Oh, and don't go to parties or other literally mobbed places. And don't partake in any events labeled similarly to "see who catches coronavirus" and go without masks. :rolleyes: But unfortunately, stupidity is probably the leading cause of infections.

Agree with all of this. Both sides are using this in political machinations. The MSM reinforces what the Dems want, which is 'shut downs to hurt the economy,' as well as advocating for the commonsense precautions you already laid out.

Meanwhile the President keeps saying, "Open it up, now, we've got to open it up! (whispering: 'except where it's obviously dangerous.') No one is hearing the whispers-especially the media. He to advocates hand washing, but it's obvious he hasn't changed his mind on masks. His core, some of whom are here, rail against masks and no whispers on anything-they are tough!

So, we have one side willing to kill the economy to destroy the president and the other side willing to 'pay the price of others dying' so they can be 'great.'

Lose/lose for the rest of us.

[jimnyc]

Here's another example. Numbers part of the increases, people listed as infected, or to be listed as a "covid death", only need have it when they die. This woman here in charge even states that if someone were in a hospice and given 2 weeks to live, and found to have covid, no matter the condition that killed her, she is added padded onto the numbers. A lot of misleading things to go along with the outright liars.

Just adds more to the puzzle, more to the confusion.

---

Illinois Department of Health Director Admits Anyone with Coronavirus at Time of Death is Counted as a Coronavirus Death

This is why you can’t trust the national coronavirus numbers.

Illinois Department of Public Health officer Ngozi O. Ezike, MD., explained to reporters recently how the state determines their coronavirus numbers.

The state of Illinois counts ANYONE who has the coronavirus at time of death regardless of how they died as a coronavirus death.

Anyone.

This is fraud.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpYUz0ZsF_E&feature=emb_logo

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/07/illinois-department-health-director-admits-anyone-coronavirus-time-death-counted-coronavirus-death-video/

[Abbey Marie]

@jimmyc can you add Delaware to your list of state stats?
Thanks!

[jimnyc]

With the states I started with, you can see those are still in a downward trend overall. But that is based on the population.

Texas - 1.67% 1.41 1.39 1.35 1.34 1.30 1.28 1.27 1.24
Arizona - 2.3% 2.01 1.97 1.85 1.86 1.83 1.83 1.80 1.78
California - 2.83% 2.53 2.51 2.40 2.36 2.31 2.29 2.26
Florida - 2.55% 2.06 1.94 1.86 1.83 1.79 1.79 1.73 1.68
Georgia - 3.79% 3.24 3.15 2.99 2.99 2.96 2.88 2.81 2.65
Illinois - 4.8% 4.82 4.80 4.76 4.76 4.75 4.86 4.85 4.80

So that's the latest with them and the mortality rate.

But when you track it with direct numbers, it shows the deaths per day and where that stands since the previous day. Added Delaware in.

3,077,378 total cases in the USA

292,926 confirmed
California US
6,724 deaths

232,718 confirmed
Florida US
4,009 deaths

224,929 confirmed
Texas US
2,875 deaths

150,554 confirmed
Illinois US
7,309 deaths

112,671 confirmed
Arizona US
1,963 deaths

103,890 confirmed
Georgia US
2,922

12,462 confirmed
Delaware US
515 deaths

----------------------------------------

3,163,505 US total cases in the USA

302,949 confirmed
California US
6,862 deaths +138

244,151 confirmed
Florida US
4,102 +93

242,115 confirmed
Texas US
3,036 deaths +161

152,899 confirmed
Illinois US
7,345 deaths +36

116,892 confirmed
Arizona US
2,082 deaths +119

111,637 confirmed
Georgia US
2,965 deaths +43

12,652 confirmed
Delaware US
517 deaths +2

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Here's another example. Numbers part of the increases, people listed as infected, or to be listed as a "covid death", only need have it when they die. This woman here in charge even states that if someone were in a hospice and given 2 weeks to live, and found to have covid, no matter the condition that killed her, she is added padded onto the numbers. A lot of misleading things to go along with the outright liars.

Just adds more to the puzzle, more to the confusion.

---

Illinois Department of Health Director Admits Anyone with Coronavirus at Time of Death is Counted as a Coronavirus Death

This is why you can’t trust the national coronavirus numbers.

Illinois Department of Public Health officer Ngozi O. Ezike, MD., explained to reporters recently how the state determines their coronavirus numbers.

The state of Illinois counts ANYONE who has the coronavirus at time of death regardless of how they died as a coronavirus death.

Anyone.

This is fraud.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpYUz0ZsF_E&feature=emb_logo

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/07/illinois-department-health-director-admits-anyone-coronavirus-time-death-counted-coronavirus-death-video/

Other states/cities other hospitals have been doing that padding.
The death count is way lower than the fudged numbers show, way lower than the engineered lies show.
The C-19 virus is likely only a tad bit worse that the flu in the overall.
Damn sure not bad enough to have destroyed our booming economy over.
That was engineered by damn globalists and the ffing worthless corrupted dem party.-Tyr

[jimnyc]

(Just an Fyi, if you see different #'s than you hear or see on the local news, keep in mind, this is Johns Hopkins site and generally behind)

3,228,884 US total cases

312,419 confirmed
California US
6,965 deaths +103

254,511 confirmed
Florida US
4,197 deaths +95

245,980 confirmed
Texas US
3,071 deaths +35

152,899 confirmed
Illinois US
7,345 deaths (no update)

119,930 confirmed
Arizona US
2,151 deaths +69

114,282 confirmed
Georgia US
2,994 deaths +29

12,743 confirmed
Delaware US
517 deaths

And New York, who thinks it's over, still getting well over 500+ new cases per day, and 20-40 deaths daily, and went back up in the hundreds for like a week. Apparently yesterday we had 786 new infections and 48 deaths. Just a few days ago it was like 900+ new cases and 114 deaths.

[Kathianne]

For a few weeks now in AZ the 'increase in cases,' supposedly from some due to 'testing,' have been much younger than previously-thus the assumption that was cause of fewer deaths, (though not hospitalizations). Lo and behold, the age groups are moving up, seems 'testing' must cause contagion to move up to parents and grandparents. Deaths are following the increasing in age.

Now mind you, I don't think anything has changed all that much. Truth is here, lots of not so bright bulbs that weren't distancing and still too many not doing so. Many of the Hispanics are still shopping and hanging in parks picnicking in pretty large numbers, with lots of hugging and groupings.

This week I'm seeing much more 'mask enforcement' in businesses, seems some of the social memes are helping give words to 'go along or go somewhere else.'

In any case, the idea that the country should shut down is wrong. 'Hot spots' should be, imo-long enough to get the numbers steady.

The increases though are not because the left is doing this or testing is faking the numbers.

Politics wherever we look and neither side cares what may be destroyed because of their efforts.

[pete311]

30-year-old dies after attending 'COVID party' thinking virus was a 'hoax'
https://abcnews.go.com/US/30-year-man-dies-attending-covid-party-thinking/story?id=71731414 (https://abcnews.go.com/US/30-year-man-dies-attending-covid-party-thinking/story?id=71731414)

[jimnyc]

30-year-old dies after attending 'COVID party' thinking virus was a 'hoax'
https://abcnews.go.com/US/30-year-man-dies-attending-covid-party-thinking/story?id=71731414 (https://abcnews.go.com/US/30-year-man-dies-attending-covid-party-thinking/story?id=71731414)

There have been quite a few parties around the nation in the viruses name. Whether thinking it was a hoax, it was over, they were young and invincible and idiots just partying and seeing how many or who gets sick. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Sucks when people pay such a steep price for their stupidity. But c'mon, some common sense goes a long way. Like not drinking hand sanitizer, or drinking aquarium cleaner, or licking something...

I said from day one - common sense and PPE - and staying informed with reality, or performing some form of due diligence before taking chances or certain actions. I'm over-protective if anything, and know I have to protect my home as well. Others are out there and simply don't give a crap about themselves or others.

[Kathianne]

They didn’t know the virus, but they knew what masks would do:

https://hotair.com/archives/allahpundit/2020/07/12/question-surgeon-general-regret-telling-public-early-not-wear-masks/

[jimnyc]

Supposedly there are 2 different style strains, and one more deadlier than the other. An L strain and and S strain, and other than that I don't know jack shit. But if so, could likely explain some of the differences.

So many other factors too... when did it hit, how prepared for it, initial responses, where to place sick patients, how the public is responding, closed or open...

For example though, NY has had a total of approximately 400,000 cases let's say and approx. 32,000 dead. And now California is catching up with approx. 320,000 total cases, but with just over 7,000 dead. That is a huge difference. Many things though - NY was hit early and ill prepared, no masks or much protection in the beginning, so many nursing home deaths, under different rules at different times and many other differences. But perhaps the 2 strains account for some differences around the country as well?

So overall, for various reasons, the overall rates continue downward, even though infections are rising and deaths along with them.

Texas - 1.67% 1.41 1.39 1.35 1.34 1.30 1.28 1.27 1.24 1.24
Arizona - 2.3% 2.01 1.97 1.85 1.86 1.83 1.83 1.80 1.78 1.79
California - 2.83% 2.53 2.51 2.40 2.36 2.31 2.29 2.26 2.20
Florida - 2.55% 2.06 1.94 1.86 1.83 1.79 1.79 1.73 1.68 1.57
Georgia - 3.79% 3.24 3.15 2.99 2.99 2.96 2.88 2.81 2.65 2.61
Illinois - 4.8% 4.82 4.80 4.76 4.76 4.75 4.86 4.85 4.80 4.78

And a semi-positive thing to look at, back in April there were 3-4,000 deaths per day. :( It's jumped up to over 1,000 nationally more than a few times in the past 30 days or so, and then scattered a few times in the 250-300 range and the rest between 300-900 per day. That's why the overall mortality rate has been able to go down, while quite a few states have such high infections and deaths. IF you can call any of that positive. :( So many states still in terrible shape right now, with many friends in the line of fire, and my Dad down in Florida.


3,288,788 US total cases

319,508 confirmed
California US
7,030 deaths +65

269,811 confirmed
Florida US
4,242 deaths +45

255,636 confirmed
Texas US
3,174 deaths +103

155,048 confirmed
Illinois US
7,388 deaths +43

122,467 confirmed
Arizona US
2,237 deaths +86

116,935 confirmed
Georgia US
3,003 deaths +9

12,804 confirmed
Delaware US
517 deaths

401,706 confirmed
New York US
32,350 deaths
(730 new cases +19 deaths)

[Kathianne]

Supposedly there are 2 different style strains, and one more deadlier than the other. An L strain and and S strain, and other than that I don't know jack shit. But if so, could likely explain some of the differences.

So many other factors too... when did it hit, how prepared for it, initial responses, where to place sick patients, how the public is responding, closed or open...

For example though, NY has had a total of approximately 400,000 cases let's say and approx. 32,000 dead. And now California is catching up with approx. 320,000 total cases, but with just over 7,000 dead. That is a huge difference. Many things though - NY was hit early and ill prepared, no masks or much protection in the beginning, so many nursing home deaths, under different rules at different times and many other differences. But perhaps the 2 strains account for some differences around the country as well?

So overall, for various reasons, the overall rates continue downward, even though infections are rising and deaths along with them.

Texas - 1.67% 1.41 1.39 1.35 1.34 1.30 1.28 1.27 1.24 1.24
Arizona - 2.3% 2.01 1.97 1.85 1.86 1.83 1.83 1.80 1.78 1.79
California - 2.83% 2.53 2.51 2.40 2.36 2.31 2.29 2.26 2.20
Florida - 2.55% 2.06 1.94 1.86 1.83 1.79 1.79 1.73 1.68 1.57
Georgia - 3.79% 3.24 3.15 2.99 2.99 2.96 2.88 2.81 2.65 2.61
Illinois - 4.8% 4.82 4.80 4.76 4.76 4.75 4.86 4.85 4.80 4.78

And a semi-positive thing to look at, back in April there were 3-4,000 deaths per day. :( It's jumped up to over 1,000 nationally more than a few times in the past 30 days or so, and then scattered a few times in the 250-300 range and the rest between 300-900 per day. That's why the overall mortality rate has been able to go down, while quite a few states have such high infections and deaths. IF you can call any of that positive. :( So many states still in terrible shape right now, with many friends in the line of fire, and my Dad down in Florida.


3,288,788 US total cases

319,508 confirmed
California US
7,030 deaths +65

269,811 confirmed
Florida US
4,242 deaths +45

255,636 confirmed
Texas US
3,174 deaths +103

155,048 confirmed
Illinois US
7,388 deaths +43

122,467 confirmed
Arizona US
2,237 deaths +86

116,935 confirmed
Georgia US
3,003 deaths +9

12,804 confirmed
Delaware US
517 deaths

401,706 confirmed
New York US
32,350 deaths
(730 new cases +19 deaths)

I don't know about the differences between the strains either, but remember they said that the east coast was dealing with the strain out of Italy; while CA was hit directly with the strain out of China.

The link though was about masks, IF they'd been encouraged from the get go. That's on the science guys, more concerned with PPE shortages than the general public. Likely the most significant factor in shutting down the country the first time. They out and out lied, I posted it the same day the Surgeon General said it. I said that it might be the factor in losing the Presidency.

I do agree with the author that Trump giving up the anti-mask take may help for the election. Will it be enough? Dunno.

[LongTermGuy]

"NYC Reports Zero Coronavirus Deaths For First Time Since March"

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1282511479271563265/oHJR81C-?format=jpg&name=360x360
`New York City reported no new coronavirus deaths on Saturday for the first time since early March, according to Sunday’s preliminary health data (https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page) from the NYC Department of Health and Mental Hygiene.`

https://www.newsmax.com/us/newyorkcity-deaths-coronavirus/2020/07/12/id/976809/

[jimnyc]

I don't know about the differences between the strains either, but remember they said that the east coast was dealing with the strain out of Italy; while CA was hit directly with the strain out of China.

The link though was about masks, IF they'd been encouraged from the get go. That's on the science guys, more concerned with PPE shortages than the general public. Likely the most significant factor in shutting down the country the first time. They out and out lied, I posted it the same day the Surgeon General said it. I said that it might be the factor in losing the Presidency.

I do agree with the author that Trump giving up the anti-mask take may help for the election. Will it be enough? Dunno.

They definitely identified 2 different strains, but I've yet to see reports/stats on how the infections/deaths are different between them. The one is even more contagious they say.

Yup, I disagreed with the AG from day one and said I KNOW they work as simply common sense and studies show it to be so. You and I both figured from day one that it was about the lack of supplies. Then they spoke of us being too dumb to wear them properly. (I see what they mean, many ARE too stupid to wear a simple mask! :laugh: ) Excuses and lies but no truth. And no doubt, deaths could have been avoided with both an appropriate supply and the truth. Nursing home deaths were a HUGE factor in deaths, and easily should have been avoided, also with common sense alone. Subways remaining open in NYC only added to infections and deaths. Leaders shutting certain folks down and not others, and confusing the crap out of the public and everyone then responding differently and many fighting about the masks decisions. SO SO much could have been avoided, especially in the beginning and especially by leaders in NY/NJ - where you see the mortality rate so much higher than the rest of the nation. Believe it or not, NJ was worse than NY in that department. And believe it or not again, CT was even worse than NJ!! And where did the first major outbreak start? They had no idea and were clueless.

[jimnyc]

Still waiting on the west coast states to update in various places for today.

Until then, a few things to look at from a national level instead of each state.

Yesterday, really the day before the way they report, with some of yesterday included... Yesterday there were 59,017 new confirmed cases and 428 deaths. At least that's a very small number, but daily it fluctuates.

Another stat that had my eyebrows raised, the level of testing. I remember in the beginning when they were so hard to get and the daily testing numbers were tiny. Now the average tests per day is 666,622 total around the country. Now over 40 million total tests given. That's a huge difference.

[Kathianne]

If so, damn!

https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2/2020/07/13/another-study-suggests-coronavirus-immunity-lasts-months/

[jimnyc]

Well, as long as I'm waiting today, but I don't think these can be all updated properly yet. Seems low for the deaths and infections in comparison. But the national total looks right. So I dunno yet, tomorrow will show more.


3,346,246 US total cases +57,458

326,188 confirmed
California US
7,053 deaths +23

282,435 confirmed
Florida US
4,277 deaths +35

262,762 confirmed
Texas US
3,216 deaths +42

155,925 confirmed
Illinois US
7,393 deaths +5

123,824 confirmed
Arizona US
2,245 deaths +8

120,540 confirmed
Georgia US
3,022 deaths +19

12,879 confirmed
Delaware US
517 deaths

402,263 confirmed
New York US
32,390 deaths +40

[jimnyc]

The downward trend of overall mortality rates continues. Except in Arizona where it went back up a few notches. More deaths there in spurts this week, and overall as a state their tests per day are lower, and spurts of even lower days. Let's hope and pray for those all getting nailed now, as in Kath in Arizona, I think BD is in Cali? Gunny in Texas, My Dad is in Florida... lots of concerns. Hopefully things get better and the increase in deaths will go back down. :( Same with Texas and over 100 deaths again and Florida with 132.


Texas - 1.67% 1.41 1.39 1.35 1.34 1.30 1.28 1.27 1.24 1.24 1.19
Arizona - 2.3% 2.01 1.97 1.85 1.86 1.83 1.83 1.80 1.78 1.79 1.82
California - 2.83% 2.53 2.51 2.40 2.36 2.31 2.29 2.26 2.20 2.11
Florida - 2.55% 2.06 1.94 1.86 1.83 1.79 1.79 1.73 1.68 1.57 1.51
Georgia - 3.79% 3.24 3.15 2.99 2.99 2.96 2.88 2.81 2.65 2.61 2.46
Illinois - 4.8% 4.82 4.80 4.76 4.76 4.75 4.86 4.85 4.80 4.78 4.73

3,416,222 US total cases +69,976

336,565 confirmed
California US
7,117 deaths +64

291,629 confirmed
Florida US
4,409 deaths +132

277,712 confirmed
Texas US
3,330 deaths +114

156,638 confirmed
Illinois US
7,419 deaths +26

128,097 confirmed
Arizona US
2,337 deaths +92

123,977 confirmed
Georgia US
3,054 deaths +32

12,969 confirmed
Delaware US
518 deaths +1

403,175 confirmed
New York US
32,408 deaths +18

Yesterday there were 58,114 new confirmed cases & 400 deaths.

[Abbey Marie]

Yay! They took Delaware off the Naughty list.

[jimnyc]

Missed a day but I did get the numbers last evening. So both these lists are for yesterday and then today.

Texas - 1.67% 1.41 1.39 1.35 1.34 1.30 1.28 1.27 1.24 1.24 1.19 1.20 1.20
Arizona - 2.3% 2.01 1.97 1.85 1.86 1.83 1.83 1.80 1.78 1.79 1.82 1.85 1.85
California - 2.83% 2.53 2.51 2.40 2.36 2.31 2.29 2.26 2.20 2.11 2.08 2.07
Florida - 2.55% 2.06 1.94 1.86 1.83 1.79 1.79 1.73 1.68 1.57 1.51 1.49 1.48
Georgia - 3.79% 3.24 3.15 2.99 2.99 2.96 2.88 2.81 2.65 2.61 2.46 2.41 2.38
Illinois - 4.8% 4.82 4.80 4.76 4.76 4.75 4.86 4.85 4.80 4.78 4.73 4.70 4.68

And this rate dropping over time also dropped the overall death rate, even if crudely calculated. The MSM doesn't want to address either of these dropping rates, instead choosing to spend their time on the rising infection numbers in some states, and their individual numbers.

It's not to diminish a single life in a single state, but there are differences. Thousand of deaths and then hundreds of deaths. Of course population plays the major part there. Hopefully the states with rising deaths can get a grasp and they will go back down. But thank God those numbers aren't collectively in the thousands to 4,000+ like they once were. Thank NY and NJ for royally screwing up many things on this one. :rolleyes:

I think the worst part is the length, and not having any idea when this may stop and where it may go. No vaccine in sight yet. But with the flu at like .01-.03 - and this running loose at .04? But the flu stops, and has a vaccine, and ways to work with it and beat it.


3,478,017 US total cases

349,180 confirmed
California US
7,286 deaths

301,810 confirmed
Florida US
4,521 deaths

280,108 confirmed
Texas US
3,362 deaths

157,827 confirmed
Illinois US
7,427 deaths

131,354 confirmed
Arizona US
2,434 deaths

127,839 confirmed
Georgia US
3,091 deaths

13,050 confirmed
Delaware US
521 deaths

404,006 confirmed
New York US
32,427 deaths

Yesterday there were 67,417 new confirmed cases & 900 deaths.

--------------------------------

3,556,403 US total cases + 78,386

355,463 confirmed
California US
7,376 deaths +90

315,775 confirmed
Florida US
4,677 deaths +156

298,428 confirmed
Texas US
3,580 deaths +218

159,082 confirmed
Illinois US
7,452 deaths +25

134,613 confirmed
Arizona US
2,492 deaths +58

131,629 confirmed
Georgia US
3,107 deaths +16

13,114 confirmed
Delaware US
521 deaths

404,775 confirmed
New York US
32,446 deaths +19

Yesterday there were 66,273 & 941 deaths.

[Kathianne]

Phoenix morgue has passed surge capacity. (https://www.abc15.com/news/coronavirus/maricopa-county-medical-examiners-office-morgue-now-in-surge-capacity-multiple-coolers-ordered)

Ducey just announced moratorium on evictions through October.

All over 65 may receive 5 washable masks made by Hanes within 6-8 days in mail.

https://www.abc15.com/news/coronavirus/governor-doug-ducey-to-give-coronavirus-update-thursday-afternoon

[jimnyc]

The results today, but a few states have barely updated. :dunno: The difference in total cases compared to yesterday don't add up either, not along with the 78k cases. Oh well, best we have.

Texas - 1.67% 1.41 1.39 1.35 1.34 1.30 1.28 1.27 1.24 1.24 1.19 1.20 1.20 1.20
Arizona - 2.3% 2.01 1.97 1.85 1.86 1.83 1.83 1.80 1.78 1.79 1.82 1.85 1.85 1.86
California - 2.83% 2.53 2.51 2.40 2.36 2.31 2.29 2.26 2.20 2.11 2.08 2.07 2.05
Florida - 2.55% 2.06 1.94 1.86 1.83 1.79 1.79 1.73 1.68 1.57 1.51 1.49 1.48 1.46
Georgia - 3.79% 3.24 3.15 2.99 2.99 2.96 2.88 2.81 2.65 2.61 2.46 2.41 2.38 2.36
Illinois - 4.8% 4.82 4.80 4.76 4.76 4.75 4.86 4.85 4.80 4.78 4.73 4.70 4.68 4.68

3,612,045 US total cases

365,126 confirmed
California US
7,491 deaths +115

327,234 confirmed
Florida US
4,804 deaths +127

308,611 confirmed
Texas US
3,705 deaths +125

159,082 confirmed
Illinois US
7,452 deaths

138,523 confirmed
Arizona US
2,583 deaths +91

131,287 confirmed
Georgia US
3,105 deaths

13,337 confirmed
Delaware US
521 deaths

405,551 confirmed
New York US
32,452 deaths +6

Yesterday there were 78,310 & 951 deaths.

[Kathianne]

jimnyc have you seen this? Center for Public Integrity is left-wing biased, but it appears to be on the behest of the task force.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/national/coronavirus/white-house-task-force-report-recommends-18-states-should-roll-back-reopening



White House task force report recommends 18 states should roll back reopening

By: Scripps NationalPosted at 9:33 AM, Jul 17, 2020 and last updated 8:41 AM, Jul 17, 2020
An unpublished report that was obtained by the nonprofit newsroom Center for Public Integrity, prepared for the White House Coronavirus Task Force, recommends that 18 states consider rolling back reopening.


The 359-page document detailed the states as a "red zone" because they had more than 100 new cases per 100,000 population last week.

18 states should roll back reopening
items.
Copyright 2020 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.


By: Scripps NationalPosted at 9:33 AM, Jul 17, 2020 and last updated 8:41 AM, Jul 17, 2020
An unpublished report that was obtained by the nonprofit newsroom Center for Public Integrity, prepared for the White House Coronavirus Task Force, recommends that 18 states consider rolling back reopening.


The 359-page document detailed the states as a "red zone" because they had more than 100 new cases per 100,000 population last week.


The report recommends that states should have citizens wear a mask at all times, practice social distancing, states should close all bars and gyms, and limit social gatherings to 10 people.


The following states should consider scaling back reopening plans, according to CPI:


Alabama
Arkansas
Arizona
California
Florida
Georgia
Iowa
Idaho
Kansas
Louisiana
Mississippi
North Carolina
Nevada
Oklahoma
South Carolina
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
To read more of the report obtained by the Center for Public Integrity, click here. (https://publicintegrity.org/health/coronavirus-and-inequality/exclusive-white-house-document-shows-18-states-in-coronavirus-red-zone-covid-19/)

[jimnyc]

jimnyc have you seen this? Center for Public Integrity is left-wing biased, but it appears to be on the behest of the task force.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/national/coronavirus/white-house-task-force-report-recommends-18-states-should-roll-back-reopening

And this task force apparently updates weekly and sends this out to governors. Many governors are not taking all kinds of recommendations, and who will get blamed? We all know that answer.

And nope, I had not seen this one, Kath! Whoever is responsible for much of it, I agree with them mostly.

The masks are severely underestimated IMO, and many infections can be stopped by folks simply wearing them. Limiting gatherings in many ways is appropriate, and location/state and setup can change that. Indoor gathering in tight spaces should obviously be avoided. Bars and gyms and places where people will be close together and often without a mask or other protection, should also limit or change things depending on the state/location and how bad things are.

And when people see lowering mortality rates and death rates and comparisons, it for the appropriate reasons: different strains? Worse outbreak? Different ways of handling? So many questions.

But that doesn't change the fact that these states and locations are all suffering badly depending on when they get hit with this. A much larger population and density should expect to see larger numbers. States with less of those may see less total deaths in comparison, but the infections, hospitalizations and ICU units and then the deaths, all are similar when you compare them basically. Mostly anyway.

What makes me wonder with this, is if this is left wing biased, and is sent out to all the governors, and still not much followed. While all of the reality of the numbers are harsh and real - there is also abuse happening in many ways, IMO. :dunno:

To me it's all still common sense. This thing is going to remain a problem in our lives until a vaccine comes out. So as long as that be the case, why not take some easy precautions to help avoiding it? Whether wearing a mask, gloves, using disinfectant or soap and water. And simply avoid certain places and situations for now. And if everyone followed suit, we could all minimize the thing the best we can until the medical community finds a vaccine.

[jimnyc]

The downward trend on the mortality rate continues around the nation as a whole. But it's evening out in quite a few of the states being hit hard.


Texas - 1.67% 1.41 1.39 1.35 1.34 1.30 1.28 1.27 1.24 1.24 1.19 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20
Arizona - 2.3% 2.01 1.97 1.85 1.86 1.83 1.83 1.80 1.78 1.79 1.82 1.85 1.85 1.86 1.86
California - 2.83% 2.53 2.51 2.40 2.36 2.31 2.29 2.26 2.20 2.11 2.08 2.07 2.05 2.03
Florida - 2.55% 2.06 1.94 1.86 1.83 1.79 1.79 1.73 1.68 1.57 1.51 1.49 1.48 1.46 1.45
Georgia - 3.79% 3.24 3.15 2.99 2.99 2.96 2.88 2.81 2.65 2.61 2.46 2.41 2.38 2.36 2.31
Illinois - 4.8% 4.82 4.80 4.76 4.76 4.75 4.86 4.85 4.80 4.78 4.73 4.70 4.68 4.68 4.65


3,676,942 US total cases

374,522 confirmed
California US
7,613 deaths +122

337,569 confirmed
Florida US
4,895 deaths +91

317,768 confirmed
Texas US
3,820 deaths +115

160,509 confirmed
Illinois US
7,465 deaths +13

138,523 confirmed
Arizona US
2,731 deaths +148

135,192 confirmed
Georgia US
3,132 deaths +27

13,429 confirmed
Delaware US
523 deaths +2

406,305 confirmed
New York US
32,474 deaths +22

Yesterday there were 71,558 new confirmed & 908 deaths.

[Kathianne]

jimnyc

I think there's more going on, as morgue overloads are pointing to:

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/07/second-coronavirus-death-surge/614122/


...

In the United States, the rising severity of the current moment was obscured for several weeks by the downward drift of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths resulting from the spring outbreak in northeastern states. Even though deaths have been rising in the hardest-hit states of the Sun Belt surge, falling deaths in the Northeast disguised the trend.

https://cdn.theatlantic.com/thumbor/MyMQKvoTCwdj2aET3zO8cb_scV8=/672x384/filters:format(png)/media/img/posts/2020/07/first_coviddeaths/original.png

[jimnyc]

jimnyc

I think there's more going on, as morgue overloads are pointing to:

More less what I've been saying and pointing out. While places comparatively with numbers may not scream the same as NY, NY morgue's are a little bigger and a lot more of them. For example, NY on bad days may have had let's say 92% filled... and now other places may very well see similar numbers with overloads in the morgues and ICU units, but the numbers only don't add up the same due to the population and density. It wouldn't make sense for a smaller state with more rural areas to achieve the same numbers.

So the damage done to the communities, and overloads at hospitals, and overworked nurses and doctors, and loaded morgues... all work out, proportionately speaking.

That's why I prefaced many things in the past with not to diminish things, things aren't the same in areas, so many reasons as to why they look different, and back to the population and density again. And of course shows and explains why 500-900+ deaths today, and 2400-4000 back in April/March and such are hitting various areas in the same manner.

I knew/know that some likely see it as diminishing what is happening anyway, but of course was never my intent. I tried my best to explain why the number differences, and what I thought made up for those differences. But at the same time, showing lower overall rates and such, to include the latest realities - of the younger getting more sick and other things that also may account for the rising infections and not as many total deaths.

And then I do think strains and areas handling differently also made a difference. Look what happened in NY, and now unfortunately California is slowly catching up on those infections, but the deaths are not nearly similar. But I do believe that any individual state vs state example like that, will introduce many many reasons as to why they are different.

[icansayit]

My wife and I were at an (unnamed) hospital yesterday morning for her Stress Test following her last Stroke.

One of the young nurses there, talking to her told my wife the hospital has been swamped in the ER and waiting area's because...(Didn't make this up) (as the nurse said) Lately, they have all been instructed to label ALL DEATHS...no matter what the cause...AS CORONA VIRUS related.

This would explain WHY THE NUMBERS KEEP INCREASING across the nation. EVERY DEATH, in reality IS NOT caused by the virus. Thousands die every day from accidents, overdoses, murders and natural causes. And we all know that. But the Hospital staff knows...CLAIMING COVID19 will get them MORE FUNDING from the Govt...WITHOUT QUESTION.

SOCIALISM AT IT'S FINEST...Huh?

[Kathianne]

More less what I've been saying and pointing out. While places comparatively with numbers may not scream the same as NY, NY morgue's are a little bigger and a lot more of them. For example, NY on bad days may have had let's say 92% filled... and now other places may very well see similar numbers with overloads in the morgues and ICU units, but the numbers only don't add up the same due to the population and density. It wouldn't make sense for a smaller state with more rural areas to achieve the same numbers.

So the damage done to the communities, and overloads at hospitals, and overworked nurses and doctors, and loaded morgues... all work out, proportionately speaking.

That's why I prefaced many things in the past with not to diminish things, things aren't the same in areas, so many reasons as to why they look different, and back to the population and density again. And of course shows and explains why 500-900+ deaths today, and 2400-4000 back in April/March and such are hitting various areas in the same manner.

I knew/know that some likely see it as diminishing what is happening anyway, but of course was never my intent. I tried my best to explain why the number differences, and what I thought made up for those differences. But at the same time, showing lower overall rates and such, to include the latest realities - of the younger getting more sick and other things that also may account for the rising infections and not as many total deaths.

And then I do think strains and areas handling differently also made a difference. Look what happened in NY, and now unfortunately California is slowly catching up on those infections, but the deaths are not nearly similar. But I do believe that any individual state vs state example like that, will introduce many many reasons as to why they are different.


I do hear you and understand your intent. What I think though is the death rates are rising, not flat-lining. The numbers of deaths from the virus appear to be minimized though by the falling death rates elsewhere. So, while it may look one way, the warning is in the still dangerous threat posed, especially when it looks more than likely that upticks in eastern/midwest may be pointing to a true second wave, not continuation of what we're seeing in the South/Southwest?

[Kathianne]

Ah, Arizona:

https://www.abc15.com/news/state/arizona-virus-toll-spikes-after-review-of-death-certificates?utm_source=maropost&utm_medium=email&category=coronavirus-newsletter

undercounting

[jimnyc]

These are the numbers as of today, but obviously not fully update, at least not Arizona. They're reporting one less death than yesterday and about 3,000 new cases. I expect both to change.

Texas - 1.67% 1.41 1.39 1.35 1.34 1.30 1.28 1.27 1.24 1.24 1.19 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20
Arizona - 2.3% 2.01 1.97 1.85 1.86 1.83 1.83 1.80 1.78 1.79 1.82 1.85 1.85 1.86 1.86
California - 2.83% 2.53 2.51 2.40 2.36 2.31 2.29 2.26 2.20 2.11 2.08 2.07 2.05 2.03 2.02
Florida - 2.55% 2.06 1.94 1.86 1.83 1.79 1.79 1.73 1.68 1.57 1.51 1.49 1.48 1.46 1.45 1.42
Georgia - 3.79% 3.24 3.15 2.99 2.99 2.96 2.88 2.81 2.65 2.61 2.46 2.41 2.38 2.36 2.31 2.26
Illinois - 4.8% 4.82 4.80 4.76 4.76 4.75 4.86 4.85 4.80 4.78 4.73 4.70 4.68 4.68 4.65 4.60

3,748,705 US total cases

381,217 confirmed
California US
7,702 deaths +89

350,037 confirmed
Florida US
4,981 deaths +86

327,106 confirmed
Texas US
3,939 deaths +119

162,750 confirmed
Illinois US
7,488 deaths +23

141,265 confirmed
Arizona US
2,730 deaths -1 ??

139,880 confirmed
Georgia US
3,169 deaths +37

13,519 confirmed
Delaware US
523 deaths

406,807 confirmed
New York US
32,490 deaths +16

Yesterday there were 63,698 new confirmed cases & 853 deaths.

[Kathianne]

These are the numbers as of today, but obviously not fully update, at least not Arizona. They're reporting one less death than yesterday and about 3,000 new cases. I expect both to change.

Texas - 1.67% 1.41 1.39 1.35 1.34 1.30 1.28 1.27 1.24 1.24 1.19 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20
Arizona - 2.3% 2.01 1.97 1.85 1.86 1.83 1.83 1.80 1.78 1.79 1.82 1.85 1.85 1.86 1.86
California - 2.83% 2.53 2.51 2.40 2.36 2.31 2.29 2.26 2.20 2.11 2.08 2.07 2.05 2.03 2.02
Florida - 2.55% 2.06 1.94 1.86 1.83 1.79 1.79 1.73 1.68 1.57 1.51 1.49 1.48 1.46 1.45 1.42
Georgia - 3.79% 3.24 3.15 2.99 2.99 2.96 2.88 2.81 2.65 2.61 2.46 2.41 2.38 2.36 2.31 2.26
Illinois - 4.8% 4.82 4.80 4.76 4.76 4.75 4.86 4.85 4.80 4.78 4.73 4.70 4.68 4.68 4.65 4.60

3,748,705 US total cases

381,217 confirmed
California US
7,702 deaths +89

350,037 confirmed
Florida US
4,981 deaths +86

327,106 confirmed
Texas US
3,939 deaths +119

162,750 confirmed
Illinois US
7,488 deaths +23

141,265 confirmed
Arizona US
2,730 deaths -1 ??

139,880 confirmed
Georgia US
3,169 deaths +37

13,519 confirmed
Delaware US
523 deaths

406,807 confirmed
New York US
32,490 deaths +16

Yesterday there were 63,698 new confirmed cases & 853 deaths.


Thanks Jim! This is from the link at post above this one:


Arizona health officials on Saturday reported a daily record 147 additional deaths from the coronavirus and 2,742 additional confirmed cases but said both numbers reflected unusual circumstances.


The Department of Health Services said the additional deaths included 106 newly attributed to COVID-19 after health officials' latest periodic reviews of death certificates.
Officials also say the additional cases did not include figures from a laboratory that missed the reporting cutoff.


The department said the missed data will be reported Sunday.

...

[jimnyc]

Trying to post these numbers around the same time best I can. And repeat daily. They're the official stats, and while maybe not perfect every day at such a time, but over a 3/5/7 day period, you will end up with the full numbers.

Texas - 1.67% 1.41 1.39 1.35 1.34 1.30 1.28 1.27 1.24 1.24 1.19 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.19
Arizona - 2.3% 2.01 1.97 1.85 1.86 1.83 1.83 1.80 1.78 1.79 1.82 1.85 1.85 1.86 1.86 1.91
California - 2.83% 2.53 2.51 2.40 2.36 2.31 2.29 2.26 2.20 2.11 2.08 2.07 2.05 2.03 2.02 1.99
Florida - 2.55% 2.06 1.94 1.86 1.83 1.79 1.79 1.73 1.68 1.57 1.51 1.49 1.48 1.46 1.45 1.42 1.40
Georgia - 3.79% 3.24 3.15 2.99 2.99 2.96 2.88 2.81 2.65 2.61 2.46 2.41 2.38 2.36 2.31 2.26 2.21
Illinois - 4.8% 4.82 4.80 4.76 4.76 4.75 4.86 4.85 4.80 4.78 4.73 4.70 4.68 4.68 4.65 4.60 4.57

3,804,907 US total cases

387,322 confirmed
California US
7,718 deaths +16

360,394 confirmed
Florida US
5,072 deaths +91

336,301 confirmed
Texas US
4,014 deaths +75

163,922 confirmed
Illinois US
7,494 deaths +6

145,183 confirmed
Arizona US
2,784 deaths +54

143,129 confirmed
Georgia US
3,174 deaths +5

13,519 confirmed
Delaware US
523 deaths

407,326 confirmed
New York US
32,506 deaths +16

Yesterday there were 61,847 new confirmed* cases & 415 deaths.

[jimnyc]

Almost forgot today! Actually, noted them earlier and just forgot to post them. So I'll add in up until tonight as well, and nothing much changed at all anyway.

New York, then California, Florida & Texas. They got it better than New York did, by far. As in, apparently were prepared for it better and handled it better.... different strains, better mask wearing, less nursing home deaths... whatever makes up for the differences, there ARE differences for whatever reason. Cali, Florida & Texas are catching up with the total infections number that NY had/has. Those 3 states total deaths added together make up half of what NY has.

Was NY that incompetent with Cuomo at the helm? Because NY was one of the first and learning as they went? A different set of strains? (just guessing there)... just drives me nuts trying to figure out the differences in different states, and what causes these differences.

Texas - 1.67% 1.41 1.39 1.35 1.34 1.30 1.28 1.27 1.24 1.24 1.19 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.19 1.19
Arizona - 2.3% 2.01 1.97 1.85 1.86 1.83 1.83 1.80 1.78 1.79 1.82 1.85 1.85 1.86 1.86 1.91 1.96
California - 2.83% 2.53 2.51 2.40 2.36 2.31 2.29 2.26 2.20 2.11 2.08 2.07 2.05 2.03 2.02 1.99 1.93
Florida - 2.55% 2.06 1.94 1.86 1.83 1.79 1.79 1.73 1.68 1.57 1.51 1.49 1.48 1.46 1.45 1.42 1.40 1.40
Georgia - 3.79% 3.24 3.15 2.99 2.99 2.96 2.88 2.81 2.65 2.61 2.46 2.41 2.38 2.36 2.31 2.26 2.21 2.18
Illinois - 4.8% 4.82 4.80 4.76 4.76 4.75 4.86 4.85 4.80 4.78 4.73 4.70 4.68 4.68 4.65 4.60 4.57 4.55

3,891,893 US total cases

404,848 confirmed
California US
7,816 deaths +98

369,834 confirmed
Florida US
5,206 deaths +134

349,812 confirmed
Texas US
4,179 deaths +165

164,864 confirmed
Illinois US
7,517 deaths +23

148,683 confirmed
Arizona US
2,918 deaths +134

148,988 confirmed
Georgia US
3,254 deaths +3

13,746 confirmed
Delaware US
525 deaths +2

408,181 confirmed
New York US
32,520 deaths +14

Yesterday there were 61,417 new confirmed* cases & 379 deaths. (** also, these sets of totals here that I list come from elsewhere, hence them not adding up the same. But they will in the end **)

[jimnyc]

A glimmer of hope and then back to 1,000 deaths again. :(

Texas - 1.67% 1.41 1.39 1.35 1.34 1.30 1.28 1.27 1.24 1.24 1.19 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.19 1.19 1.20
Arizona - 2.3% 2.01 1.97 1.85 1.86 1.83 1.83 1.80 1.78 1.79 1.82 1.85 1.85 1.86 1.86 1.91 1.96
California - 2.83% 2.53 2.51 2.40 2.36 2.31 2.29 2.26 2.20 2.11 2.08 2.07 2.05 2.03 2.02 1.99 1.94 1.92
Florida - 2.55% 2.06 1.94 1.86 1.83 1.79 1.79 1.73 1.68 1.57 1.51 1.49 1.48 1.46 1.45 1.42 1.40 1.40 1.40
Georgia - 3.79% 3.24 3.15 2.99 2.99 2.96 2.88 2.81 2.65 2.61 2.46 2.41 2.38 2.36 2.31 2.26 2.21 2.18
Illinois - 4.8% 4.82 4.80 4.76 4.76 4.75 4.86 4.85 4.80 4.78 4.73 4.70 4.68 4.68 4.65 4.60 4.57 4.57 4.52

3,940,592 US total cases

409,598 confirmed
California US
7,890 deaths +74

379,619 confirmed
Florida US
5,345 deaths +139

353,091 confirmed
Texas US
4,270 deaths +91

166,475 confirmed
Illinois US
7,540 deaths +23

150,618 confirmed
Arizona US
2,918 deaths (infections added but deaths not added yet)

152,307 confirmed
Georgia US
3,336 deaths +82

13,792 confirmed
Delaware US
527 deaths +2

408,886 confirmed
New York US
32,526 deaths +6

Yesterday there were 64,534 new confirmed & 1,082 deaths.

[Kathianne]

It does appear to be receding in South/Southwest. Time will tell.

[jimnyc]

Not much of anything today from Illinois and Arizona, I'll update them later. But dang, even without them, the numbers don't look good the past few days, and I know neither of them 2 states are any better.

2 days in a row with over 1,000 deaths and I see several growing - Cali is the new leader and growing quickly. Florida catching up, and Texas is getting it bad. ALL bad, but those as I post daily I see the deaths going up the most.

And then you have places like New York, thinking its over, "only" 32 deaths (that will rise with the count as well). Another 700+ cases yesterday after 855 the day before. Like I said, it WILL be coming back, mark my words now.


Texas - 1.67% 1.41 1.39 1.35 1.34 1.30 1.28 1.27 1.24 1.24 1.19 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.19 1.19 1.20 1.22
Arizona - 2.3% 2.01 1.97 1.85 1.86 1.83 1.83 1.80 1.78 1.79 1.82 1.85 1.85 1.86 1.86 1.91 1.96 1.97
California - 2.83% 2.53 2.51 2.40 2.36 2.31 2.29 2.26 2.20 2.11 2.08 2.07 2.05 2.03 2.02 1.99 1.94 1.92 1.91
Florida - 2.55% 2.06 1.94 1.86 1.83 1.79 1.79 1.73 1.68 1.57 1.51 1.49 1.48 1.46 1.45 1.42 1.40 1.40 1.40 1.41
Georgia - 3.79% 3.24 3.15 2.99 2.99 2.96 2.88 2.81 2.65 2.61 2.46 2.41 2.38 2.36 2.31 2.26 2.21 2.18 2.18
Illinois - 4.8% 4.82 4.80 4.76 4.76 4.75 4.86 4.85 4.80 4.78 4.73 4.70 4.68 4.68 4.65 4.60 4.57 4.57 4.52

3,987,584 US total cases

421,462 confirmed
California US
8,050 deaths +160

389,868 confirmed
Florida US
5,518 deaths +173

363,615 confirmed
Texas US
4,439 deaths +169

166,475 confirmed
Illinois US
7,540 deaths

150,609 confirmed
Arizona US
2,974 deaths

152,302 confirmed
Georgia US
3,335 deaths

13,792 confirmed
Delaware US
527 deaths

408,886 confirmed
New York US
32,558 deaths +32

Yesterday there were 71,695 new confirmed* cases & 1,195 deaths.

[Kathianne]

jimnyc

Not great news, but better than bad:

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-infections-spread-florida-california-texas-94aacba0-7351-42ec-b1f1-74d6dd3ef5c6.html

Coronavirus infections are slowing down in critical hotspots
Axios
Sam Baker, Andrew Witherspoon



Data: The COVID Tracking Project (https://covidtracking.com/), state health departments; Map: Andrew Witherspoon, Danielle Alberti, Sara Wise/Axios
The pace of new coronavirus cases slowed over the past week, but things are still getting worse in most of the country.
The big picture: After weeks of explosive growth, the number of new infections in the U.S. is still climbing — but not quite as fast as it has been.
By the numbers: The number of new coronavirus cases in the U.S. shot up by over 20% per week for the past month.


This week, it rose by a comparatively modest 7%.
That doesn't mean we're getting better. The U.S. may be leveling off, but it’s leveling off at a very high rate of infection. The country is averaging roughly 66,000 new cases per day.

Several of the worst hotspots experienced slower growth this week than they have throughout July.


New confirmed infections rose by 3% last week in Texas, and by 9% in California. Florida’s caseload did not change. Arizona saw its second consecutive week of improvement.
Arizona was one of only five states to experience a significant decline in new infections over the past week, while 24 states, along with Washington, D.C. and Puerto Rico, saw increases of at least 10%.

Between the lines: Axios uses a rolling seven-day average to minimize the effects of any abnormalities in how and when new cases are reported.
The bottom line: 66,000 new cases per day is a recipe for overworked hospitals (https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-covid-hospitalizations-july-arizona-texas-nevada-62a7e6c9-2f2c-43b3-a300-26ebd1197811.html), strained supply lines, prolonged school closures and, of course, thousands of preventable deaths.

[jimnyc]

Hey Kathianne

My concern is the total daily and then the daily deaths, and trends. 71,000 new cases is a lot still. And when one area seems to drop some, another makes up for the numbers. And then the one that dropped will go back up again, and back and forth for now. And it's traveling out west and into the south and mid. It hit the Upper West, some of upper middle, of course the northeast. And those places have slowly gotten better as it's now traveled to parts out western. But will it float back again? If one person can get infected again months later, then surely an entire area is susceptible to it returning, IMO.

I just see this damn thing fluctuating around, and traveling around taking it's sweet 'ol time leaving destruction in it's wake. And if it continues like that, and then returns and repeats, then we're in big trouble until that vaccine is found.

We'll see IF it comes back East for example, and if states are better prepared? Will rates be lower and deaths lower? Will it do the same again?

[Kathianne]

Hey @Kathianne (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=8)

My concern is the total daily and then the daily deaths, and trends. 71,000 new cases is a lot still. And when one area seems to drop some, another makes up for the numbers. And then the one that dropped will go back up again, and back and forth for now. And it's traveling out west and into the south and mid. It hit the Upper West, some of upper middle, of course the northeast. And those places have slowly gotten better as it's now traveled to parts out western. But will it float back again? If one person can get infected again months later, then surely an entire area is susceptible to it returning, IMO.

I just see this damn thing fluctuating around, and traveling around taking it's sweet 'ol time leaving destruction in it's wake. And if it continues like that, and then returns and repeats, then we're in big trouble until that vaccine is found.

We'll see IF it comes back East for example, and if states are better prepared? Will rates be lower and deaths lower? Will it do the same again?

It seems like it's lowering in AZ, once Ducey finally made some moves and most cities put in mandated masks. I've felt for awhile that the east may be moving into 2nd wave. IL numbers going up, along with NY (more slowly, but still moving in the wrong direction), IN, and others that were first hit in Spring.

[Abbey Marie]

It seems like it's lowering in AZ, once Ducey finally made some moves and most cities put in mandated masks. I've felt for awhile that the east may be moving into 2nd wave. IL numbers going up, along with NY (more slowly, but still moving in the wrong direction), IN, and others that were first hit in Spring.

But... but... masks don’t work.
Evmetro

Meanwhile, NJ put Delaware back on its Naughty List. Once again, we cancel our outdoor dinner at the shore. :rolleyes:

If Maine should follow suit, another vacation this year will be cancelled.

[Kathianne]

But... but... masks don’t work.
@Evmetro (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=4145)

Meanwhile, NJ put Delaware back on its Naughty List. Once again, we cancel our outdoor dinner at the shore. :rolleyes:

If Maine should follow suit, another vacation this year will be cancelled.

It's all very concerning. Lots of speculation that Ducey is going to again delay in school starts. Lots of pressure to go with data, not calendar. We'll see.

[jimnyc]

But... but... masks don’t work.
Evmetro

Meanwhile, NJ put Delaware back on its Naughty List. Once again, we cancel our outdoor dinner at the shore. :rolleyes:

If Maine should follow suit, another vacation this year will be cancelled.

From day one I was touting the better N95/99 masks and the Chinese and European equivalents. Then surgical masks and all kinds of other protections. I didn't need the SG to tell me they don't work, or the MSM or Dems to tell me they did. And these lead to cloth masks and more for me, each for a certain setting and need. Part out of necessity and part out of personal health awareness and protecting my family.

I didn't believe the dang surgeon general when he begged us to NOT buy masks, and I don't believe him now begging FOR people to wear them. Why? He's got it right this time, but lying still, about why he said what he did and things evolving changed his mind. Nope - sorry, full of shit. They worked prior to this and will after. He lied for supply reasons, and now again to cover his ass.

And why in the world did NJ do that? Seems Delaware is doing great, IMO.

[jimnyc]

3,987,584 US total cases

421,462 confirmed
California US
8,050 deaths +160

389,868 confirmed
Florida US
5,518 deaths +173

363,615 confirmed
Texas US
4,439 deaths +169

166,475 confirmed
Illinois US
7,540 deaths

150,609 confirmed
Arizona US
2,974 deaths

152,302 confirmed
Georgia US
3,335 deaths

13,792 confirmed
Delaware US
527 deaths

408,886 confirmed
New York US
32,558 deaths +32

Yesterday there were 71,695 new confirmed* cases & 1,195 deaths.

Further updated, looks like Georgia is last to come with the numbers today, out of my current list anyway.


3,998,259 US total cases

421,462 confirmed
California US
8,050 deaths +160

389,868 confirmed
Florida US
5,518 deaths +173

363,615 confirmed
Texas US
4,439 deaths +169

168,099 confirmed
Illinois US
7,560 deaths +20

150,609 confirmed
Arizona US
3,063 deaths +145

152,302 confirmed
Georgia US
3,335 deaths

13,792 confirmed
Delaware US
529 deaths +2

408,886 confirmed
New York US
32,593 deaths +32

[Kathianne]

More on schools, this is not getting less confounding, so glad I'm not teaching:

https://www.azmirror.com/2020/07/23/ducey-school-districts-will-decide-when-to-reopen-classrooms/?utm_source=Arizona+Mirror&utm_campaign=dd541a5067-AM_REPORT_NEWSLETTER_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_8cf4878d70-dd541a5067-356864591


Ducey: School districts will decide when to reopen classroomsBy
Jeremy Duda (https://www.azmirror.com/author/jeremy-duda/) -

July 23, 2020

Last Updated: July 23, 2020 9:24 pm


Public schools will be allowed to determine on their own when to start in-person instruction for the upcoming K-12 school year based on a set of benchmarks that will be established by state health officials instead of being tied to the Aug. 17 start date that Gov. Doug Ducey set last month.


Superintendent of Public Instruction Kathy Hoffman joined Ducey at his weekly press conference on the COVID-19 crisis, where they jointly announced that the Arizona Department of Health Services will establish a set of criteria for school districts to determine when it is safe for them to reopen their campuses, which have been closed since March. School districts will decide for themselves when to resume in-person education for the 2020-21 school year, though they all must offer some kind of on-site instruction starting on Aug. 17, when Ducey had previously set the delayed school year to begin.


Adults on reopened school campuses will be required to wear masks at all times. Students will also have to wear masks, though there will be a number of exemptions for them. For example, students won’t be required to wear face coverings when they can socially distance, when they’re outside in a playground setting and during breaks in which they can remove their masks in a safe environment.

...


If Ducey hadn't moved the date, before lifting the date, schools would have started next week! The state still hasn't a set of criteria on when it would be safe to open.

[jimnyc]

So I missed yesterday, so these numbers are totaling for both days, and today hasn't updated barely at all.

Amazing that how bad things are, the overall mortality rate still is going down. Even in some of these harder hit states. Many many infections and not as many deaths as previous, and younger folks healing, lowers the numbers. But it's not nearly all rainbows.

This is just the 6 states that I happened to be watching at the time, and continued updating so we could follow the trends.

Texas - 1.67% 1.41 1.39 1.35 1.34 1.30 1.28 1.27 1.24 1.24 1.19 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.19 1.19 1.20 1.22 1.25
Arizona - 2.3% 2.01 1.97 1.85 1.86 1.83 1.83 1.80 1.78 1.79 1.82 1.85 1.85 1.86 1.86 1.91 1.96 1.97 2.01
California - 2.83% 2.53 2.51 2.40 2.36 2.31 2.29 2.26 2.20 2.11 2.08 2.07 2.05 2.03 2.02 1.99 1.94 1.92 1.91 1.89
Florida - 2.55% 2.06 1.94 1.86 1.83 1.79 1.79 1.73 1.68 1.57 1.51 1.49 1.48 1.46 1.45 1.42 1.40 1.40 1.40 1.41 1.40
Georgia - 3.79% 3.24 3.15 2.99 2.99 2.96 2.88 2.81 2.65 2.61 2.46 2.41 2.38 2.36 2.31 2.26 2.21 2.18 2.18 2.13
Illinois - 4.8% 4.82 4.80 4.76 4.76 4.75 4.86 4.85 4.80 4.78 4.73 4.70 4.68 4.68 4.65 4.60 4.57 4.57 4.52 4.46

Texas and Arizona have risen slightly. Cali, as many infections as they have, the number lowered anyway. Same reasoning out there.

But still one thing that has left me wondering for a long time now, the difference in these rates in comparison to a place like NY, and why the massive change? Cali now has 30,000 more total cases since the beginning of all of this, but has 24,000 less cases. And why the hell would that be? Incompetency of NY? Different strains? I still don't know the answer, but another way to look at it: what is the common denominator of all of the states that have a mortality rate of over 5 since the beginning:

New York 7.9
New Jersey 8.8
Massachusetts 7.4
Pennsylvania 6.5
Michigan 7.5
Connecticut 9.0
Rhode Island 5.5
New Hampshire 6.4

All of the states that were mainly hit first with the large breakout, the east coast, and I remember Michigan and their issues way back when. So why did these states suffer differently? Too early? These states handling better due to benefit of time? The masks weren't as much of a thing for a while, then picked up some speed and is now almost kinda mandatory nation wide. So so many things that I can think of, or was it a combination of all of them?

And while you can add up maybe NY/NJ/CT and a few other states to be the "beginning" and learning stage.... take just NY out of the equation alone, and the national mortality rate drops from 3.53 where it sits now, down to 2.74 without. Take the top 3 out, NY/NJ/MA and your rate drops down to 2.15.

4,128,304 US total cases

440,325 confirmed
California US
8,340 deaths +287

414,511 confirmed
Florida US
5,777 deaths +259

380,364 confirmed
Texas US
4,790 deaths +351

169,696 confirmed
Illinois US
7,577 deaths +17

156,301 confirmed
Arizona US
3,143 deaths +80

161,420 confirmed
Georgia US
3,443 deaths +108

14,202 confirmed
Delaware US
578 deaths +49 (large spike due to a review)

410,450 confirmed
New York US
32,596 deaths +38

Yesterday there were 73,783 new confirmed* cases & 1,242 deaths. (1,114 yesterday)

[jimnyc]

I sure hope folks here "want" these updates, to see the differences and trends?

Just spent like 90 minutes going back and forth to 3 sites to get numbers, then calculator time, then my dumbass really gets into "numbers" and just start watching, analyzing and looking for differences and such, and the why's. Was into sports mainly when I was 5-6 and upward by reading the morning paper with cereal, reading box scores. Was more important than the games! Also did so with horse racing starting quite early, certainly not of age, but was just interesting to read about the silly horse names and jockeys on them and daily box scores and seeing which horses and jockeys won! Yup, I'm weird like that. :)

Anyway, hope I'm not wasting my time. :)

[Kathianne]

So I missed yesterday, so these numbers are totaling for both days, and today hasn't updated barely at all.

Amazing that how bad things are, the overall mortality rate still is going down. Even in some of these harder hit states. Many many infections and not as many deaths as previous, and younger folks healing, lowers the numbers. But it's not nearly all rainbows.

This is just the 6 states that I happened to be watching at the time, and continued updating so we could follow the trends.

Texas - 1.67% 1.41 1.39 1.35 1.34 1.30 1.28 1.27 1.24 1.24 1.19 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.19 1.19 1.20 1.22 1.25
Arizona - 2.3% 2.01 1.97 1.85 1.86 1.83 1.83 1.80 1.78 1.79 1.82 1.85 1.85 1.86 1.86 1.91 1.96 1.97 2.01
California - 2.83% 2.53 2.51 2.40 2.36 2.31 2.29 2.26 2.20 2.11 2.08 2.07 2.05 2.03 2.02 1.99 1.94 1.92 1.91 1.89
Florida - 2.55% 2.06 1.94 1.86 1.83 1.79 1.79 1.73 1.68 1.57 1.51 1.49 1.48 1.46 1.45 1.42 1.40 1.40 1.40 1.41 1.40
Georgia - 3.79% 3.24 3.15 2.99 2.99 2.96 2.88 2.81 2.65 2.61 2.46 2.41 2.38 2.36 2.31 2.26 2.21 2.18 2.18 2.13
Illinois - 4.8% 4.82 4.80 4.76 4.76 4.75 4.86 4.85 4.80 4.78 4.73 4.70 4.68 4.68 4.65 4.60 4.57 4.57 4.52 4.46

Texas and Arizona have risen slightly. Cali, as many infections as they have, the number lowered anyway. Same reasoning out there.

But still one thing that has left me wondering for a long time now, the difference in these rates in comparison to a place like NY, and why the massive change? Cali now has 30,000 more total cases since the beginning of all of this, but has 24,000 less cases. And why the hell would that be? Incompetency of NY? Different strains? I still don't know the answer, but another way to look at it: what is the common denominator of all of the states that have a mortality rate of over 5 since the beginning:

New York 7.9
New Jersey 8.8
Massachusetts 7.4
Pennsylvania 6.5
Michigan 7.5
Connecticut 9.0
Rhode Island 5.5
New Hampshire 6.4

All of the states that were mainly hit first with the large breakout, the east coast, and I remember Michigan and their issues way back when. So why did these states suffer differently? Too early? These states handling better due to benefit of time? The masks weren't as much of a thing for a while, then picked up some speed and is now almost kinda mandatory nation wide. So so many things that I can think of, or was it a combination of all of them?

And while you can add up maybe NY/NJ/CT and a few other states to be the "beginning" and learning stage.... take just NY out of the equation alone, and the national mortality rate drops from 3.53 where it sits now, down to 2.74 without. Take the top 3 out, NY/NJ/MA and your rate drops down to 2.15.

4,128,304 US total cases

440,325 confirmed
California US
8,340 deaths +287

414,511 confirmed
Florida US
5,777 deaths +259

380,364 confirmed
Texas US
4,790 deaths +351

169,696 confirmed
Illinois US
7,577 deaths +17

156,301 confirmed
Arizona US
3,143 deaths +80

161,420 confirmed
Georgia US
3,443 deaths +108

14,202 confirmed
Delaware US
578 deaths +49 (large spike due to a review)

410,450 confirmed
New York US
32,596 deaths +38

Yesterday there were 73,783 new confirmed* cases & 1,242 deaths. (1,114 yesterday)

I think the numbers regarding deaths are likely due to Cuomo's edicts on nursing homes-for some reason, others are not copying that now. I also think that the treatments are improving, they aren't turning to respirators off the bat, which seems to have done more damage than good in many cases.

[jimnyc]

I think the numbers regarding deaths are likely due to Cuomo's edicts on nursing homes-for some reason, others are not copying that now. I also think that the treatments are improving, they aren't turning to respirators off the bat, which seems to have done more damage than good in many cases.

6,400 of those - but Cuomo did nothing wrong, and it's the fault of the conservative media. :rolleyes:

This WAS his fault and is HIS responsibility, and he's shrugging it away. I feel bad I ever applauded him for how he was handling things.

---

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo Lashes Out At Conservative Media When Asked About Nursing Home Deaths

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo lashed out at conservative news outlets Friday when asked if he would appoint an independent commission to investigate whether his polices were responsible for a surge of nursing home deaths in the state.

“I believe it is a political issue,” Cuomo said at a press conference when a New York Post reporter asked about a possible independent review of his nursing home polices, The Post reported.

“I think it’s the New York Post, I think it’s Michael Goodwin, I think it’s Bob McManus, I think it’s Fox TV,” the Democrat said, naming two Post columnists.

Cuomo has come under fire over a March 25 order that required hospitals to send nursing home patients back to their facilities even if they tested positive for coronavirus. Cuomo’s critics said that the policy would increase the risk of outbreaks at long-term care facilities, putting residents’ lives in danger.

More than 6,400 nursing home patients have died in New York since the coronavirus pandemic started.

Cuomo has claimed that his policy did not cause the surge in nursing home deaths by citing a New York State Department of Health study released on July 6 that said that nursing home staffers were likely taking the virus into facilities.

But the Daily Caller News Foundation has reported that the consulting group that Cuomo cited as justification to enact the nursing home policy was also involved in analyzing the data for the health department report that he claimed vindicates him.

A bipartisan chorus of national and state lawmakers have cast doubt on the study. The New York state legislature is scheduled to hold hearings on the nursing home deaths on Aug. 3 and Aug. 10.

Cuomo didn’t mention that CNN’s Jake Tapper has also criticized his handling of the pandemic and the state’s nursing home policies.

https://dailycaller.com/2020/07/24/andrew-cuomo-nursing-home-coronavirus-conservative-media/

[Kathianne]

6,400 of those - but Cuomo did nothing wrong, and it's the fault of the conservative media. :rolleyes:

This WAS his fault and is HIS responsibility, and he's shrugging it away. I feel bad I ever applauded him for how he was handling things.

---

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo Lashes Out At Conservative Media When Asked About Nursing Home Deaths

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo lashed out at conservative news outlets Friday when asked if he would appoint an independent commission to investigate whether his polices were responsible for a surge of nursing home deaths in the state.

“I believe it is a political issue,” Cuomo said at a press conference when a New York Post reporter asked about a possible independent review of his nursing home polices, The Post reported.

“I think it’s the New York Post, I think it’s Michael Goodwin, I think it’s Bob McManus, I think it’s Fox TV,” the Democrat said, naming two Post columnists.

Cuomo has come under fire over a March 25 order that required hospitals to send nursing home patients back to their facilities even if they tested positive for coronavirus. Cuomo’s critics said that the policy would increase the risk of outbreaks at long-term care facilities, putting residents’ lives in danger.

More than 6,400 nursing home patients have died in New York since the coronavirus pandemic started.

Cuomo has claimed that his policy did not cause the surge in nursing home deaths by citing a New York State Department of Health study released on July 6 that said that nursing home staffers were likely taking the virus into facilities.

But the Daily Caller News Foundation has reported that the consulting group that Cuomo cited as justification to enact the nursing home policy was also involved in analyzing the data for the health department report that he claimed vindicates him.

A bipartisan chorus of national and state lawmakers have cast doubt on the study. The New York state legislature is scheduled to hold hearings on the nursing home deaths on Aug. 3 and Aug. 10.

Cuomo didn’t mention that CNN’s Jake Tapper has also criticized his handling of the pandemic and the state’s nursing home policies.

https://dailycaller.com/2020/07/24/andrew-cuomo-nursing-home-coronavirus-conservative-media/

Me too.

[jimnyc]

Texas - 1.67% 1.41 1.39 1.35 1.34 1.30 1.28 1.27 1.24 1.24 1.19 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.19 1.19 1.20 1.22 1.25
Arizona - 2.3% 2.01 1.97 1.85 1.86 1.83 1.83 1.80 1.78 1.79 1.82 1.85 1.85 1.86 1.86 1.91 1.96 1.97 2.01
California - 2.83% 2.53 2.51 2.40 2.36 2.31 2.29 2.26 2.20 2.11 2.08 2.07 2.05 2.03 2.02 1.99 1.94 1.92 1.91 1.89
Florida - 2.55% 2.06 1.94 1.86 1.83 1.79 1.79 1.73 1.68 1.57 1.51 1.49 1.48 1.46 1.45 1.42 1.40 1.40 1.40 1.41 1.40
Georgia - 3.79% 3.24 3.15 2.99 2.99 2.96 2.88 2.81 2.65 2.61 2.46 2.41 2.38 2.36 2.31 2.26 2.21 2.18 2.18 2.13
Illinois - 4.8% 4.82 4.80 4.76 4.76 4.75 4.86 4.85 4.80 4.78 4.73 4.70 4.68 4.68 4.65 4.60 4.57 4.57 4.52 4.46


4,128,304 US total cases

440,325 confirmed
California US
8,340 deaths +287

414,511 confirmed
Florida US
5,777 deaths +259

380,364 confirmed
Texas US
4,790 deaths +351

169,696 confirmed
Illinois US
7,577 deaths +17

156,301 confirmed
Arizona US
3,143 deaths +80

161,420 confirmed
Georgia US
3,443 deaths +108

14,202 confirmed
Delaware US
578 deaths +49 (large spike due to a review)

410,450 confirmed
New York US
32,596 deaths +38

Yesterday there were 73,783 new confirmed* cases & 1,242 deaths. (1,114 yesterday)

4,150,299 US total cases

440,560 confirmed
California US
8,340 deaths +287

414,511 confirmed
Florida US
5,777 deaths +259

380,554 confirmed
Texas US
4,804 deaths +365

171,122 confirmed
Illinois US
7,589 deaths +29

160,049 confirmed
Arizona US
3,286 deaths +223

161,420 confirmed
Georgia US
3,443 deaths +108

14,202 confirmed
Delaware US
579 deaths +50 (large spike due to a review)

411,200 confirmed
New York US
32,608 deaths +50

Yesterday there were 73,783 new confirmed* cases & 1,242 deaths. (1,114 yesterday)

[jimnyc]

Tough getting updates from Arizona! Again, they'll all add up in the end.

Texas continued it's rise here.

Texas - 1.67% 1.41 1.39 1.35 1.34 1.30 1.28 1.27 1.24 1.24 1.19 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.20 1.19 1.19 1.20 1.22 1.25 1.27
Arizona - 2.3% 2.01 1.97 1.85 1.86 1.83 1.83 1.80 1.78 1.79 1.82 1.85 1.85 1.86 1.86 1.91 1.96 1.97 2.01
California - 2.83% 2.53 2.51 2.40 2.36 2.31 2.29 2.26 2.20 2.11 2.08 2.07 2.05 2.03 2.02 1.99 1.94 1.92 1.91 1.89 1.87
Florida - 2.55% 2.06 1.94 1.86 1.83 1.79 1.79 1.73 1.68 1.57 1.51 1.49 1.48 1.46 1.45 1.42 1.40 1.40 1.40 1.41 1.40 1.38
Georgia - 3.79% 3.24 3.15 2.99 2.99 2.96 2.88 2.81 2.65 2.61 2.46 2.41 2.38 2.36 2.31 2.26 2.21 2.18 2.18 2.13 2.11
Illinois - 4.8% 4.82 4.80 4.76 4.76 4.75 4.86 4.85 4.80 4.78 4.73 4.70 4.68 4.68 4.65 4.60 4.57 4.57 4.52 4.46 4.39


4,212,057 US total cases

448,587 confirmed
California US
8,430 deaths +89

423,855 confirmed
Florida US
5,854 deaths +77

390,399 confirmed
Texas US
4,990 deaths +186

172,662 confirmed
Illinois US
7,590 deaths +1

160,041 confirmed
Arizona US
3,286 deaths

165,188 confirmed
Georgia US
3,495 deaths +52

14,290 confirmed
Delaware US
579 deaths

411,736 confirmed
New York US
32,617 deaths +9

Yesterday there were 65,490 new confirmed* cases & 914 deaths.

[Abbey Marie]

I sure hope folks here "want" these updates, to see the differences and trends?

Just spent like 90 minutes going back and forth to 3 sites to get numbers, then calculator time, then my dumbass really gets into "numbers" and just start watching, analyzing and looking for differences and such, and the why's. Was into sports mainly when I was 5-6 and upward by reading the morning paper with cereal, reading box scores. Was more important than the games! Also did so with horse racing starting quite early, certainly not of age, but was just interesting to read about the silly horse names and jockeys on them and daily box scores and seeing which horses and jockeys won! Yup, I'm weird like that. :)

Anyway, hope I'm not wasting my time. :)

I look at them regularly, and especially appreciate you adding in Delaware. It’s probably the most important thread on the board.

[Kathianne]

I was playing around the John Hopkins numbers a bit, anyone notice the spikes in states with days of protests? Their curves are going up, sharply. OR, WA, GA

Not much if any mention from MSM, though plenty of news of the idiot governors of FL, AZ, TX. Why would that be? Oh, let me wonder. . .

[jimnyc]

I cut out like 10 days prior of the mortality rate, getting too long. Where it left off previously is still above.


Texas - 1.20 1.22 1.25 1.27 1.28
Arizona - 1.91 1.96 1.97 2.01 2.01
California - 1.92 1.91 1.89 1.87 1.86
Florida - 1.40 1.41 1.40 1.38 1.37
Georgia - 2.18 2.18 2.13 2.11 2.08
Illinois - 4.57 4.52 4.46 4.39 4.37


4,271,095 US total cases

453,155 confirmed
California US
8,455 deaths +25

432,747 confirmed
Florida US
5,931 deaths +77

394,846 confirmed
Texas US
5,085 deaths +95

173,894 confirmed
Illinois US
7,608 deaths +18

163,827 confirmed
Arizona US
3,305 deaths +19

167,953 confirmed
Georgia US
3,498 deaths +3

14,406 confirmed
Delaware US
579 deaths

412,344 confirmed
New York US
32,645 deaths +28

Yesterday there were 55,902 new confirmed* cases & 475 deaths.

[jimnyc]

Texas - 1.20 1.22 1.25 1.27 1.28 1.44
Arizona - 1.91 1.96 1.97 2.01 2.01 2.05
California - 1.92 1.91 1.89 1.87 1.86 1.83
Florida - 1.40 1.41 1.40 1.38 1.37 1.38
Georgia - 2.18 2.18 2.13 2.11 2.08 2.05
Illinois - 4.57 4.52 4.46 4.39 4.37 4.36

4,341,201 US total cases

467,649 confirmed
California US
8,604 deaths +149

441,957 confirmed
Florida US
6,116 deaths +185

406,559 confirmed
Texas US
5,882 deaths +797 (new data added)

174,967 confirmed
Illinois US
7,637 deaths +29

165,934 confirmed
Arizona US
3,408 deaths +103

170,843 confirmed
Georgia US
3,509 deaths +11

14,476 confirmed
Delaware US
580 deaths +1

412,878 confirmed
New York US
32,653 deaths +8

Yesterday there were 56,336 new confirmed* cases & 1,076 deaths.

[Russ]

I don't trust the news to tell me the truth.

Jim, that is very deep truth, unfortunately.

[jimnyc]

Texas - 1.20 1.22 1.25 1.27 1.28 1.44 1.44
Arizona - 1.91 1.96 1.97 2.01 2.01 2.05 2.05
California - 1.92 1.91 1.89 1.87 1.86 1.83 1.84
Florida - 1.40 1.41 1.40 1.38 1.37 1.38 1.40
Georgia - 2.18 2.18 2.13 2.11 2.08 2.05 2.03
Illinois - 4.57 4.52 4.46 4.39 4.37 4.36 4.33

4,398,898 US total cases

473,785 confirmed
California US
8,724 deaths +120

451,423 confirmed
Florida US
6,332 deaths +216

410,039 confirmed
Texas US
5,913 deaths +31

176,363 confirmed
Illinois US
7,654 deaths +17

168,273 confirmed
Arizona US
3,455 deaths +47

175,052 confirmed
Georgia US
3,563 deaths +54

14,602 confirmed
Delaware US
581 deaths +1

413,593 confirmed
New York US
32,658 deaths +5

Yesterday there were 65,869 new confirmed* cases & 1,298 deaths.

[jimnyc]

Cali, Florida, Texas, Arizona, Georgia... yesterday was a rough day. :(

Ante up and double the $$ on whomever comes out with a successful vaccine first. Already major strides across the board, but still need it to move quicker. :( :(


Texas - 1.20 1.22 1.25 1.27 1.28 1.44 1.44 1.47
Arizona - 1.91 1.96 1.97 2.01 2.01 2.05 2.05 2.12
California - 1.92 1.91 1.89 1.87 1.86 1.83 1.84 1.83
Florida - 1.40 1.41 1.40 1.38 1.37 1.38 1.40 1.42
Georgia - 2.18 2.18 2.13 2.11 2.08 2.05 2.03 2.01
Illinois - 4.57 4.52 4.46 4.39 4.37 4.36 4.33 4.30


4,475,979 US total cases

486,365 confirmed
California US
8,913 deaths +189

461,368 confirmed
Florida US
6,585 deaths +253

418,995 confirmed
Texas US
6,193 deaths +280

178,135 confirmed
Illinois US
7,670 deaths +16

170,798 confirmed
Arizona US
3,626 deaths +171

182,279 confirmed
Georgia US
3,670 deaths +107

14,689 confirmed
Delaware US
581 deaths

414,370 confirmed
New York US
32,671 deaths +13

Yesterday there were 70,776 new confirmed* cases & 1,403 deaths.

[jimnyc]

Texas - 1.20 1.22 1.25 1.27 1.28 1.44 1.44 1.47 1.50
Arizona - 1.91 1.96 1.97 2.01 2.01 2.05 2.05 2.12 2.12
California - 1.92 1.91 1.89 1.87 1.86 1.83 1.84 1.83 1.83
Florida - 1.40 1.41 1.40 1.38 1.37 1.38 1.40 1.42 1.45
Georgia - 2.18 2.18 2.13 2.11 2.08 2.05 2.03 2.01 2.01
Illinois - 4.57 4.52 4.46 4.39 4.37 4.36 4.33 4.30 4.27


4,541,016 US total cases

493,396 confirmed
California US
9,034 deaths +121

470,371 confirmed
Florida US
6,839 deaths +254

429,207 confirmed
Texas US
6,449 deaths +256

180,115 confirmed
Illinois US
7,692 deaths +22

174,010 confirmed
Arizona US
3,694 deaths +68

186,339 confirmed
Georgia US
3,751 deaths +81

14,788 confirmed
Delaware US
585 deaths +4

415,014 confirmed
New York US
32,689 deaths +18

Yesterday there were 68,033 new confirmed* cases & 1,342 deaths.

[jimnyc]

I never posted the numbers yesterday as for whatever reason the individual states numbers have been far behind. Seems the total infections and deaths for the national totals are up to date, but behind with specifics from many states. If that makes any sense. :dunno:

Took note of these yesterday like 6pm, and then today's too.

Texas - 1.20 1.22 1.25 1.27 1.28 1.44 1.44 1.47 1.50 1.54
Arizona - 1.91 1.96 1.97 2.01 2.01 2.05 2.05 2.12 2.12 2.10
California - 1.92 1.91 1.89 1.87 1.86 1.83 1.84 1.83 1.83 1.84
Florida - 1.40 1.41 1.40 1.38 1.37 1.38 1.40 1.42 1.45 1.45
Georgia - 2.18 2.18 2.13 2.11 2.08 2.05 2.03 2.01 2.01 1.98
Illinois - 4.57 4.52 4.46 4.39 4.37 4.36 4.33 4.30 4.27 4.20


4,665,002 US total cases

511,869 confirmed
California US
9,396 deaths +163

487,132 confirmed
Florida US
7,084 deaths +62

447,222 confirmed
Texas US
6,865 deaths +86

183,224 confirmed
Illinois US
7,714 deaths +14

178,467 confirmed
Arizona US
3,765 deaths +18

193,177 confirmed
Georgia US
3,840 deaths +15

14,949 confirmed
Delaware US
585 deaths

416,298 confirmed
New York US
32,710 deaths +16

Yesterday there were 58,406 new confirmed* cases & 1,133 deaths.

[Abbey Marie]

No new deaths in Delaware is a good day. Though there appear to be around 60 new cases in 2 days.

[jimnyc]

Looks like death decided to take a little break yesterday...

Texas - 1.20 1.22 1.25 1.27 1.28 1.44 1.44 1.47 1.50 1.54 1.53
Arizona - 1.91 1.96 1.97 2.01 2.01 2.05 2.05 2.12 2.12 2.10 2.10
California - 1.92 1.91 1.89 1.87 1.86 1.83 1.84 1.83 1.83 1.84 1.83
Florida - 1.40 1.41 1.40 1.38 1.37 1.38 1.40 1.42 1.45 1.45 1.45
Georgia - 2.18 2.18 2.13 2.11 2.08 2.05 2.03 2.01 2.01 1.98 1.96
Illinois - 4.57 4.52 4.46 4.39 4.37 4.36 4.33 4.30 4.27 4.20 4.18


4,696,573 US total cases

512,850 confirmed
California US
9,400 deaths +4

491,884 confirmed
Florida US
7,157 deaths +73

448,145 confirmed
Texas US
6,878 deaths +13

184,522 confirmed
Illinois US
7,723 deaths +9

179,497 confirmed
Arizona US
3,779 deaths +14

195,435 confirmed
Georgia US
3,842 deaths +2

15,055 confirmed
Delaware US
585 deaths

416,843 confirmed
New York US
32,719 deaths +9

Yesterday there were 47,511 new confirmed* cases & 413 deaths.

[jimnyc]

I'll catch up more on this tomorrow. Still without power here.


4,696,573 US total cases

512,850 confirmed
California US
9,400 deaths +4

491,884 confirmed
Florida US
7,157 deaths +73

448,145 confirmed
Texas US
6,878 deaths +13

184,522 confirmed
Illinois US
7,723 deaths +9

179,497 confirmed
Arizona US
3,779 deaths +14

195,435 confirmed
Georgia US
3,842 deaths +2

15,055 confirmed
Delaware US
585 deaths

416,843 confirmed
New York US
32,719 deaths +9

Yesterday there were 47,511 new confirmed* cases & 413 deaths.

[jimnyc]

"Back to life, back to reality" or so it seems. My bad for yesterday, but between a migraine and lost power, just wanted to post numbers quickly and head to bed. :(

Anyway, well back over 1,000 deaths again yesterday.

These are hopefully updated, so they would include since yesterday and whatever is updated today. And appears yesterdays totals were odd. So either were behind, and today's include them as well, or there was just a weird day that the virus took a break. :dunno: Either way - Cali, Florida and Texas took a hammering. :(

Texas - 1.20 1.22 1.25 1.27 1.28 1.44 1.44 1.47 1.50 1.54 1.53 1.56
Arizona - 1.91 1.96 1.97 2.01 2.01 2.05 2.05 2.12 2.12 2.10 2.10 2.13
California - 1.92 1.91 1.89 1.87 1.86 1.83 1.84 1.83 1.83 1.84 1.83 1.84
Florida - 1.40 1.41 1.40 1.38 1.37 1.38 1.40 1.42 1.45 1.45 1.45 1.51
Georgia - 2.18 2.18 2.13 2.11 2.08 2.05 2.03 2.01 2.01 1.98 1.96 1.98
Illinois - 4.57 4.52 4.46 4.39 4.37 4.36 4.33 4.30 4.27 4.20 4.18 4.13


4,789,383 US total cases

527,074 confirmed
California US
9,708 deaths +308

502,739 confirmed
Florida US
7,627 deaths +470

466,032 confirmed
Texas US
7,271 deaths +393

187,752 confirmed
Illinois US
7,770 deaths +47

180,505 confirmed
Arizona US
3,845 deaths +66

197,948 confirmed
Georgia US
3,921 deaths +79

15,296 confirmed
Delaware US
587 deaths +2

418,225 confirmed
New York US
32,732 deaths +13

Yesterday there were 57,540 new confirmed* cases, 15,533 recoveries, 1,399 deaths.

[jimnyc]

Things took a slow breather for a few days and then came back strong in Texas, Florida, Cali & Arizona too.


Texas - 1.20 1.22 1.25 1.27 1.28 1.44 1.44 1.47 1.50 1.54 1.53 1.56 1.61
Arizona - 1.91 1.96 1.97 2.01 2.01 2.05 2.05 2.12 2.12 2.10 2.10 2.13 2.17
California - 1.92 1.91 1.89 1.87 1.86 1.83 1.84 1.83 1.83 1.84 1.83 1.84 1.84
Florida - 1.40 1.41 1.40 1.38 1.37 1.38 1.40 1.42 1.45 1.45 1.45 1.51 1.51
Georgia - 2.18 2.18 2.13 2.11 2.08 2.05 2.03 2.01 2.01 1.98 1.96 1.98 1.97
Illinois - 4.57 4.52 4.46 4.39 4.37 4.36 4.33 4.30 4.27 4.20 4.18 4.13 4.13



4,842,313 US total cases

530,606 confirmed
California US
9,808 deaths +100

510,398 confirmed
Florida US
7,745 deaths +118

477,192 confirmed
Texas US
7,711 deaths +440

187,752 confirmed
Illinois US
7,770 deaths

183,656 confirmed
Arizona US
4,002 deaths +157

201,713 confirmed
Georgia US
3,984 deaths +63

15,365 confirmed
Delaware US
587 deaths

418,928 confirmed
New York US
32,754 deaths +22

Yesterday there were 52,810 new confirmed* cases & 1,449 deaths.

[jimnyc]

I have no idea, even after searching, what took place in Texas yesterday, if new data was added, were fixes made, or just regular deaths? I searched with no luck. But a sharp increase yesterday. Which of course increased for the national total to 1,854 yesterday. :(


Texas - 1.20 1.22 1.25 1.27 1.28 1.44 1.44 1.47 1.50 1.54 1.53 1.56 1.61 1.77
Arizona - 1.91 1.96 1.97 2.01 2.01 2.05 2.05 2.12 2.12 2.10 2.10 2.13 2.17 2.20
California - 1.92 1.91 1.89 1.87 1.86 1.83 1.84 1.83 1.83 1.84 1.83 1.84 1.84 1.85
Florida - 1.40 1.41 1.40 1.38 1.37 1.38 1.40 1.42 1.45 1.45 1.45 1.51 1.51 1.51
Georgia - 2.18 2.18 2.13 2.11 2.08 2.05 2.03 2.01 2.01 1.98 1.96 1.98 1.97 1.96
Illinois - 4.57 4.52 4.46 4.39 4.37 4.36 4.33 4.30 4.27 4.20 4.18 4.13 4.13 4.07


4,918,927 US total cases

541,695 confirmed
California US
10,027 deaths +219

510,389 confirmed
Florida US
7,747 deaths +2

485,126 confirmed
Texas US
8,594 deaths +883

191,808 confirmed
Illinois US
7,822 deaths +52

185,053 confirmed
Arizona US
4,081 deaths +79

208,983 confirmed
Georgia US
4,115 deaths +131

15,445 confirmed
Delaware US
588 deaths +1

419,642 confirmed
New York US
32,760 deaths +6

Yesterday there were 59,692 new confirmed* cases & 1,854 deaths.

[jimnyc]

Again I cut off the tailing end of the 6 states tracking, prior is in this thread of course.

The nation wide mortality rate is 3.3%. This went as high as 6 percent in the middle of May. From there, it started downward and continued til where it sits now at 3.3. So a good benchmark.

I'm also now adding Massachusetts and Michigan for tracking. Neither one doing great, and both have much higher mortality rates, like NY.


Texas - 1.61 1.77 1.80
Arizona - 2.17 2.20 2.20
California - 1.84 1.85 1.85
Florida - 1.51 1.51 1.53
Georgia - 1.97 1.96 1.96
Illinois - 4.13 4.07 4.04
Massachusetts - 7.23
Michigan - 6.83


4,971,190 US total cases

549,967 confirmed
California US
10,221 deaths +194

526,577 confirmed
Florida US
8,109 deaths +362

492,143 confirmed
Texas US
8,861 deaths +267

193,998 confirmed
Illinois US
7,840 deaths +18

185,053 confirmed
Arizona US
4,081 deaths

209,004 confirmed
Georgia US
4,117 deaths +2

15,502 confirmed
Delaware US
590 deaths +2

120,291 confirmed
Massachusetts US
8,709 deaths +18

95,470 confirmed
Michigan US
6,524 deaths +18

420,345 confirmed
New York US
32,768 deaths +8

Yesterday there were 58,173 new confirmed* cases & 1,243 deaths.

[jimnyc]

Texas - 1.61 1.77 1.80 1.82
Arizona - 2.17 2.20 2.20 2.22
California - 1.84 1.85 1.85 1.85
Florida - 1.51 1.51 1.53 1.53
Georgia - 1.97 1.96 1.96 1.93
Illinois - 4.13 4.07 4.04 4.01
Massachusetts - 7.23 7.21
Michigan - 6.83 6.74


5,033,960 US total cases

555,913 confirmed
California US
10,316 deaths +95

532,806 confirmed
Florida US
8,186 deaths +77

500,146 confirmed
Texas US
9,138 deaths +277

195,380 confirmed
Illinois US
7,845 deaths +5

186,923 confirmed
Arizona US
4,150 deaths +69

216,594 confirmed
Georgia US
4,198 deaths +81

15,575 confirmed
Delaware US
591 deaths +1

121,040 confirmed
Massachusetts US
8,735 deaths +26

96,726 confirmed
Michigan US
6,524 deaths

420,860 confirmed
New York US
32,773 deaths +5

Yesterday there were 56,174 new confirmed* cases & 1,076 deaths.

[jimnyc]

Nationwide deaths took a tiny breather again yesterday.

Texas - 1.61 1.77 1.80 1.82 1.81
Arizona - 2.17 2.20 2.20 2.22 2.21
California - 1.84 1.85 1.85 1.85 1.84
Florida - 1.51 1.51 1.53 1.53 1.54
Georgia - 1.97 1.96 1.96 1.93 1.93
Illinois - 4.13 4.07 4.04 4.01 3.98
Massachusetts - 7.23 7.21 7.20
Michigan - 6.83 6.74 6.70


5,063,770 US total cases

561,393 confirmed
California US
10,382 deaths +66

536,959 confirmed
Florida US
8,276 deaths +90

504,427 confirmed
Texas US
9,177 deaths +39

196,699 confirmed
Illinois US
7,846 deaths +1

187,523 confirmed
Arizona US
4,154 deaths +4

219,025 confirmed
Georgia US
4,229 deaths +31

15,634 confirmed
Delaware US
591 deaths

121,315 confirmed
Massachusetts US
8,741 deaths +6

97,306 confirmed
Michigan US
6,526 deaths +2

421,336 confirmed
New York US
32,781 deaths +8

Yesterday there were 46,935 new confirmed* cases & 515 deaths.

[jimnyc]

Backed out of the thousands per day deaths, and now less than 600 for past 2 days.

Texas - 1.61 1.77 1.80 1.82 1.81 1.80
Arizona - 2.17 2.20 2.20 2.22 2.21 2.22
California - 1.84 1.85 1.85 1.85 1.84 1.82
Florida - 1.51 1.51 1.53 1.53 1.54 1.57
Georgia - 1.97 1.96 1.96 1.93 1.93 1.95
Illinois - 4.13 4.07 4.04 4.01 3.98 3.96
Massachusetts - 7.23 7.21 7.20 7.20
Michigan - 6.83 6.74 6.70 6.65


5,124,050 US total cases

574,947 confirmed
California US
10,485 deaths +103

542,792 confirmed
Florida US
8,553 deaths +277

510,465 confirmed
Texas US
9,238 deaths +61

198,248 confirmed
Illinois US
7,866 deaths +20

188,736 confirmed
Arizona US
4,199 deaths +45

222,579 confirmed
Georgia US
4,349 deaths +120

15,699 confirmed
Delaware US
591 deaths

121,315 confirmed
Massachusetts US
8,741 deaths

98,213 confirmed
Michigan US
6,533 deaths +7

422,003 confirmed
New York US
32,787 deaths +6

Yesterday there were 49,536 new confirmed* cases, 13,891 recoveries, 525 deaths.

[jimnyc]

Not going to do the mortality rate thingy anymore. Time consuming and really doesn't tell us much.

I may start adding in numbers from other states as things pickup and move. :dunno:

And after another 2 day reduction, back up over 1,000 again yesterday. No rhyme or reason for the ups and downs nation wide nor state wide.

5,171,343 US total cases

586,745 confirmed
California US
10,656 deaths +171

550,901 confirmed
Florida US
8,765 deaths +212

518,531 confirmed
Texas US
9,230 deaths -8 (about 225 previous deaths removed due to error)

199,893 confirmed
Illinois US
7,881 deaths +15

188,737 confirmed
Arizona US
4,347 deaths +148

222,588 confirmed
Georgia US
4,351 deaths +2

15,699 confirmed
Delaware US
591 deaths

121,707 confirmed
Massachusetts US
8,751 deaths +10

98,213 confirmed
Michigan US
6,533 deaths

422,703 confirmed
New York US
32,797 deaths +10

Yesterday there were 46,808 new confirmed* cases & 1,074 deaths.

[jimnyc]

Back up to nearly 1,500 deaths yesterday. Texas got walloped, Cali and Florida too, and Georgia picking up again?

5,236,599 US total cases

594,810 confirmed
California US
10,813 deaths +157

557,137 confirmed
Florida US
8,913 deaths +148

524,814 confirmed
Texas US
9,552 deaths +322

201,725 confirmed
Illinois US
7,904 deaths +23

190,794 confirmed
Arizona US
4,383 deaths +36

228,663 confirmed
Georgia US
4,536 deaths +185

15,967 confirmed
Delaware US
593 deaths +2

121,707 confirmed
Massachusetts US
8,751 deaths

99,850 confirmed
Michigan US
6,554 deaths +21

423,440 confirmed
New York US
32,805 deaths +8

Yesterday there were 55,910 new confirmed* cases & 1,499 deaths.

[jimnyc]

Cali, Florida & Texas continue to take some heavy losses.


5,289,323 US total cases

603,747 confirmed
California US
11,022 deaths +209

563,277 confirmed
Florida US
9,139 deaths +226

532,284 confirmed
Texas US
9,829 deaths +277

204,025 confirmed
Illinois US
7,932 deaths +28

190,794 confirmed
Arizona US
4,423 deaths +40

231,895 confirmed
Georgia US
4,573 deaths +37

16,340 confirmed
Delaware US
593 deaths

122,319 confirmed
Massachusetts US
8,790 deaths +39

100,724 confirmed
Michigan US
6,566 deaths +12

424,167 confirmed
New York US
32,810 deaths +5

Yesterday there were 51,443 new confirmed* cases & 1,076 deaths.

[jimnyc]

Texas is quite high again and Florida not so "hot" either. Being late into the day, and awaiting updates from a few states - so keep in mind that Texas, for example, is now showing yesterday's deaths and many from today as well. That's why if you look at your individual states count it may differ from what I'm posting.


5,347,953 US total cases

613,551 confirmed
California US
11,149 deaths +127

569,637 confirmed
Florida US
9,345 deaths +206

542,625 confirmed
Texas US
10,254 deaths +425

205,852 confirmed
Illinois US
7,937 deaths +5

192,654 confirmed
Arizona US
4,492 deaths +69

235,168 confirmed
Georgia US
4,669 deaths +96

16,396 confirmed
Delaware US
593 deaths

122,531 confirmed
Massachusetts US
8,804 deaths +14

101,794 confirmed
Michigan US
6,586 deaths +20

424,901 confirmed
New York US
32,833 deaths +23

Yesterday there were 64,201 new confirmed* cases & 1,336 deaths.

[jimnyc]

5,388,272 US total cases

620,300 confirmed
California US
11,231 deaths +82

573,416 confirmed
Florida US
9,452 deaths +107

546,986 confirmed
Texas US
10,271 deaths +17

207,412 confirmed
Illinois US
7,955 deaths +18

193,537 confirmed
Arizona US
4,506 deaths +14

237,030 confirmed
Georgia US
4,702 deaths +33

16,451 confirmed
Delaware US
593 deaths

123,199 confirmed
Massachusetts US
8,826 deaths +22

102,270 confirmed
Michigan US
6,592 deaths +6

425,508 confirmed
New York US
32,840 deaths +7

Yesterday there were 47,913 new confirmed* cases, 22,201 recoveries, 1,029 deaths.

[jimnyc]

5,421,806 US total cases

625,308 confirmed
California US
11,246 deaths +15

573,416 confirmed
Florida US
9,452 deaths

555,861 confirmed
Texas US
10,409 deaths +138

209,181 confirmed
Illinois US
7,966 deaths +11

194,005 confirmed
Arizona US
4,506 deaths

238,860 confirmed
Georgia US
4,725 deaths +23

16,536 confirmed
Delaware US
593 deaths

123,593 confirmed
Massachusetts US
8,838 deaths +12

102,749 confirmed
Michigan US
6,592 deaths

425,916 confirmed
New York US
32,846 deaths +6

Yesterday there were 42,048 new confirmed* cases, 14,540 recoveries, 571 deaths.

[jimnyc]

Don't forget earlier explanations of death counts showing the day before and up to day today, most of the time. And other times not much of an update at all. Cali and Florida. Otherwise? Death took a large break!


5,462,976 US total cases

634,598 confirmed
California US
11,349 deaths +103

579,932 confirmed
Florida US
9,758 deaths +306

561,715 confirmed
Texas US
10,457 deaths +48

210,924 confirmed
Illinois US
7,994 deaths +28

194,920 confirmed
Arizona US
4,506 deaths

238,861 confirmed
Georgia US
4,727 deaths +2

16,536 confirmed
Delaware US
593 deaths

123,841 confirmed
Massachusetts US
8,842 deaths +4

102,749 confirmed
Michigan US
6,592 deaths

426,571 confirmed
New York US
32,854 deaths +8

Yesterday there were 35,112 new confirmed* cases & 445 deaths.

[jimnyc]

So much for that, back over 1,300 deaths for the day. :(


5,497,279 US total cases

640,290 confirmed
California US
11,530 deaths +181

584,047 confirmed
Florida US
9,932 deaths +174

569,231 confirmed
Texas US
10,684 deaths +227

210,925 confirmed
Illinois US
7,994 deaths

194,920 confirmed
Arizona US
4,529 deaths +23

241,677 confirmed
Georgia US
4,794 deaths +67

16,643 confirmed
Delaware US
595 deaths +2

124,063 confirmed
Massachusetts US
8,848 deaths +6

103,402 confirmed
Michigan US
6,608 deaths +16

426,571 confirmed
New York US
32,857 deaths +3

Yesterday there were 44,091 new confirmed* cases & 1,324 deaths.

[jimnyc]

Texas took a beating and the lions share of yesterday's deaths.


5,565,928 US total cases

650,249 confirmed
California US
11,732 deaths +202

588,602 confirmed
Florida US
10,049 deaths +117

578,437 confirmed
Texas US
11,141 deaths +457

215,052 confirmed
Illinois US
8,044 deaths +50

196,280 confirmed
Arizona US
4,684 deaths +155

246,736 confirmed
Georgia US
4,903 deaths +109

16,718 confirmed
Delaware US
595 deaths

124,415 confirmed
Massachusetts US
8,876 deaths +28

104,091 confirmed
Michigan US
6,618 deaths +10

427,803 confirmed
New York US
32,865 deaths +8

Yesterday there were 46,436 new confirmed* cases & 1,356 deaths.

[icansayit]

Texas took a beating and the lions share of yesterday's deaths.


5,565,928 US total cases

650,249 confirmed
California US
11,732 deaths +202

588,602 confirmed
Florida US
10,049 deaths +117

578,437 confirmed
Texas US
11,141 deaths +457

215,052 confirmed
Illinois US
8,044 deaths +50

196,280 confirmed
Arizona US
4,684 deaths +155

246,736 confirmed
Georgia US
4,903 deaths +109

16,718 confirmed
Delaware US
595 deaths

124,415 confirmed
Massachusetts US
8,876 deaths +28

104,091 confirmed
Michigan US
6,618 deaths +10

427,803 confirmed
New York US
32,865 deaths +8

Yesterday there were 46,436 new confirmed* cases & 1,356 deaths.

I've never seen you include my state CA-Virginia. According to our Pretender Gov in Black Face. The world is coming to an end YESTERDAY.:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[jimnyc]

I've never seen you include my state CA-Virginia. According to our Pretender Gov in Black Face. The world is coming to an end YESTERDAY.:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Not a prob, we can add it in now and follow if you like. Looks like your state had 17 losses yesterday. Still over 1,000 nationwide for the day.


5,609,167 US total cases

655,746 confirmed
California US
11,881 deaths +149

593,286 confirmed
Florida US
10,168 deaths +119

580,648 confirmed
Texas US
11,181 deaths +40

217,348 confirmed
Illinois US
8,066 deaths +22

196,280 confirmed
Arizona US
4,689 deaths +5

249,614 confirmed
Georgia US
4,996 deaths +93

16,770 confirmed
Delaware US
600 deaths +5

125,216 confirmed
Massachusetts US
8,901 deaths +25

104,618 confirmed
Michigan US
6,634 deaths +16

110,849 confirmed
Virginia US
2,434 deaths +17

428,512 confirmed
New York US
32,865 deaths

Yesterday there were 44,023 new confirmed* cases & 1,078 deaths.

[jimnyc]

5,645,697 US total cases

660,256 confirmed
California US
11,992 deaths +111

597,597 confirmed
Florida US
10,274 deaths +106

586,054 confirmed
Texas US
11,422 deaths +241

219,701 confirmed
Illinois US
8,083 deaths +17

197,895 confirmed
Arizona US
4,756 deaths +67

249,630 confirmed
Georgia US
4,998 deaths +2

16,770 confirmed
Delaware US
600 deaths

125,216 confirmed
Massachusetts US
8,901 deaths

104,618 confirmed
Michigan US
6,634 deaths

112,068 confirmed
Virginia US
2,443 deaths +9

429,165 confirmed
New York US
32,869 deaths +4 (Yesterday there were 709 new confirmed* cases, 0 recoveries, 0 deaths.) ((So those 4 deaths are from today))

Yesterday there were 48,693 new confirmed* cases & 1,108 deaths.

[jimnyc]

5,693,403 US total cases

667,862 confirmed
California US
12,143 deaths +151

600,571 confirmed
Florida US
10,325 deaths +51

589,349 confirmed
Texas US
11,581 deaths +159

221,594 confirmed
Illinois US
8,089 deaths +6

198,103 confirmed
Arizona US
4,771 deaths +15

253,949 confirmed
Georgia US
5,132 deaths +134

16,895 confirmed
Delaware US
600 deaths

125,360 confirmed
Massachusetts US
8,921 deaths +20

106,808 confirmed
Michigan US
6,659 deaths +25

112,959 confirmed
Virginia US
2,466 deaths +23

429,737 confirmed
New York US
32,883 deaths +14

Yesterday there were 44,572 new confirmed* cases & 983 deaths.

[jimnyc]

5,755,002 US total cases

676,717 confirmed
California US
12,263 deaths +107

605,502 confirmed
Florida US
10,580 deaths +183

598,532 confirmed
Texas US
11,757 deaths +50

224,887 confirmed
Illinois US
8,126 deaths +29

199,273 confirmed
Arizona US
4,792 deaths +21

256,253 confirmed
Georgia US
5,156 deaths +24

16,942 confirmed
Delaware US
604 deaths

126,022 confirmed
Massachusetts US
8,949 deaths +28

107,686 confirmed
Michigan US
6,663 deaths +4

114,618 confirmed
Virginia US
2,493 deaths +22

430,774 confirmed
New York US
32,891 deaths +8

Yesterday there were 38,045 new confirmed* cases & 450 deaths.

[jimnyc]

So the virus once again dropped below 500 deaths for the day 2x in a row again, and again it shoots right back up over 1,000 again. :dunno:


5,796,772 US total cases

683,014 confirmed
California US
12,434 deaths +171

608,722 confirmed
Florida US
10,733 deaths +153

605,269 confirmed
Texas US
11,940 deaths +183

227,044 confirmed
Illinois US
8,163 deaths +37

199,273 confirmed
Arizona US
4,896 deaths +104

258,354 confirmed
Georgia US
5,262 deaths +106

16,986 confirmed
Delaware US
604 deaths

126,420 confirmed
Massachusetts US
8,961 deaths +12

108,637 confirmed
Michigan US
6,684 deaths +21

115,448 confirmed
Virginia US
2,515 deaths +22

431,340 confirmed
New York US
32,921 deaths +30

Yesterday there were 37,986 new confirmed* cases & 1,234 deaths.

[Kathianne]

Just came up on my fb:

ABC15 Arizona is live now.
8m ·
Inside Arizona's Coronavirus Numbers - Aug. 26, 2020
A lot of news in the last 24 hours: ASU reversed course and shared the number of COVID-19 tests and cases across its campuses, and businesses in Maricopa, Pinal, and Pima counties could reopen this week. Katie Raml and Garrett Archer have the updates right now.

[jimnyc]

5,854,342 US total cases

688,953 confirmed
California US
12,577 deaths +143

611,991 confirmed
Florida US
10,868 deaths +135

611,241 confirmed
Texas US
12,156 deaths +216

228,747 confirmed
Illinois US
8,185 deaths +22

199,459 confirmed
Arizona US
4,896 deaths

263,072 confirmed
Georgia US
5,391 deaths +129

16,976 confirmed
Delaware US
604 deaths

126,756 confirmed
Massachusetts US
8,987 deaths +26

110,343 confirmed
Michigan US
6,706 deaths +22

116,569 confirmed
Virginia US
2,527 deaths +12

432,131 confirmed
New York US
32,926 deaths +5

Yesterday there were 44,109 new confirmed* cases & 1,222 deaths.

[jimnyc]

Took a few days off from posting these numbers. So consider that, the +deaths are for 4 days. And yesterday's death total is quite small....

6,023,368 US total cases

708,318 confirmed
California US
12,980 deaths +280

631,596 confirmed
Texas US
12,703 deaths +327

623,471 confirmed
Florida US
11,187 deaths +230

236,724 confirmed
Illinois US
8,235 deaths +30

201,835 confirmed
Arizona US
5,030 deaths +52

270,471 confirmed
Georgia US
5,632 deaths +239

17,429 confirmed
Delaware US
605 deaths +1

128,533 confirmed
Massachusetts US
9,060 deaths +52

113,025 confirmed
Michigan US
6,753 deaths +47

120,575 confirmed
Virginia US
2,580 deaths +30

434,756 confirmed
New York US
32,957 deaths +23

Yesterday there were 35,337 new confirmed* cases & 305 deaths.

[jimnyc]

Been 2 days update:

6,111,485 US total cases

720,415 confirmed
California US
13,299 deaths +319

641,366 confirmed
Texas US
13,081 deaths +378

633,442 confirmed
Florida US
11,501 deaths +314

240,344 confirmed
Illinois US
8,300 deaths +65

202,861 confirmed
Arizona US
5,065 deaths +35

274,613 confirmed
Georgia US
5,795 deaths +163

17,549 confirmed
Delaware US
606 deaths +1

129,182 confirmed
Massachusetts US
9,064 deaths +4

114,468 confirmed
Michigan US
6,781 deaths +28

122,518 confirmed
Virginia US
2,641 deaths +61

436,218 confirmed
New York US
32,972 deaths +15

Yesterday there were 43,253 new confirmed* cases & 1,067 deaths.

[jimnyc]

6,164,267 US total cases

726,777 confirmed
California US
13,510 deaths +211

645,665 confirmed
Texas US
13,296 deaths +215

640,211 confirmed
Florida US
11,750 deaths +249

241,704 confirmed
Illinois US
8,324 deaths +24

203,953 confirmed
Arizona US
5,130 deaths +65

277,288 confirmed
Georgia US
5,868 deaths +73

17,653 confirmed
Delaware US
606 deaths

121,546 confirmed
Massachusetts US
9,077 deaths +13

115,242 confirmed
Michigan US
6,791 deaths +10

124,738 confirmed
Virginia US
2,662 deaths +21

437,971 confirmed
New York US
32,976 deaths +4

Yesterday there were 36,506 new confirmed* cases & 1,070 deaths.

[jimnyc]

It's interesting how this thing fluctuates. How it can have thousand plus days of deaths for a bit, and then boom, drop down low for a couple of days. And then boom again and back up. So now it's been 2 days on the lower end of things, will it pop up again tomorrow? I'm hoping it will drop like that one day - and then stay no higher than that rate or lower. But fall and winter are coming, and bad projections.

And the numbers and rates are similar in so many areas. And yet California, the leader in total infections, has approximately 300,000 more folks infected over time than New York did. And yet New York has 33,000 dead - and California is just about 14,000. Only thing that fits now is being first. Lack of masks and direction, horrid nursing homes decision & not knowing for sure which way to try with medication and ventilators. I dunno, suppose we'll know more eventually.


6,308,741 US total cases

741,726 confirmed
California US
13,766 deaths +38

659,531 confirmed
Texas US
13,699 deaths +71

650,092 confirmed
Florida US
11,915 deaths +66

252,884 confirmed
Illinois US
8,398 deaths +8

205,964 confirmed
Arizona US
5,221 deaths ?

283,807 confirmed
Georgia US
6,044 deaths +7

18,249 confirmed
Delaware US
609 deaths

122,791 confirmed
Massachusetts US
9,133 deaths +8

118,403 confirmed
Michigan US
6,810 deaths +4

128,350 confirmed
Virginia US
2,686 deaths +8

440,021 confirmed
New York US
33,002 deaths +15

Yesterday there were 24,257 new confirmed* cases & 267 deaths.(day before was 403)

[Abbey Marie]

Delaware was holding steady, now 3 more deaths.

:(

[Kathianne]

Delaware was holding steady, now 3 more deaths.

:(
Our county finally made it to 'moderate.' Gyms can re-open and bars w/food.

[jimnyc]

Been 5 days since I posted an update...

6,489,343 US total cases

759,398 confirmed
California US
14,334 deaths +568

677,716 confirmed
Texas US
14,332 deaths +633

661,571 confirmed
Florida US
12,600 deaths +685

261,999 confirmed
Illinois US
8,527 deaths +129

208,128 confirmed
Arizona US
5,315 deaths +94

292,905 confirmed
Georgia US
6,287 deaths +244

18,726 confirmed
Delaware US
613 deaths +4

124,540 confirmed
Massachusetts US
9,196 deaths +63

123,058 confirmed
Michigan US
6,911 deaths +101

133,742 confirmed
Virginia US
2,724 deaths +38

443,640 confirmed
New York US
33,023 deaths +21

Yesterday there were 41,471 new confirmed* cases & 714 deaths. (1,213, 907, 1,206, 445, 267) 714 yesterday, 1,213 day before, 907 day before...)

[jimnyc]

6,539,483 US total cases

763,960 confirmed
California US
14,413 deaths +79

682,242 confirmed
Texas US
14,405 deaths +73

665,730 confirmed
Florida US
12,642 deaths +42

264,831 confirmed
Illinois US
8,546 deaths +19

208,512 confirmed
Arizona US
5,322 deaths +7

295,337 confirmed
Georgia US
6,353 deaths +66

18,937 confirmed
Delaware US
617 deaths +4

129,182 confirmed
Massachusetts US
9,219 deaths +23

124,287 confirmed
Michigan US
6,921 deaths +10

134,493 confirmed
Virginia US
2,743 deaths +19

444,948 confirmed
New York US
33,030 deaths +7

Yesterday there were 34,359 new confirmed* cases & 378 deaths.

[Abbey Marie]

Delaware seems to be inching up in deaths. Would you say it’s also true of other states?

[jimnyc]

Delaware seems to be inching up in deaths. Would you say it’s also true of other states?

It's been fluctuating all over. Delaware was dormant for awhile, then one here and another there and in the past week to 2 they have had 2 here or there. I would say blessed overall in comparison to others, but did increase based on their own history.

Other states like Cali, Florida & Texas have slowed down a little bit, but only been in the past week and can just as easily pick right back up. I actually thought it was slowing down, based on the overall daily deaths of course.

And then Fwiw, the mortality rates in the few states I was tracking for awhile. Where I left off and where they stand today. The last 3 and then beneath the current. You can see while the increases in some places are noted, where NY has been down for quite some time, and the mortality rate reflects that. But still horrid.

Texas - 1.82 1.81 1.80
Arizona - 2.22 2.21 2.22
California - 1.85 1.84 1.82
Florida - 1.53 1.54 1.57
Georgia - 1.93 1.93 1.95
Illinois - 4.01 3.98 3.96
Massachusetts - 7.21 7.20 7.20
Michigan - 6.74 6.70 6.65

---

Texas - 1.61 1.77 1.80 1.82 1.81 1.80 2.10
Arizona - 2.17 2.20 2.20 2.22 2.21 2.22 2.54
California - 1.84 1.85 1.85 1.85 1.84 1.82 1.88
Florida - 1.51 1.51 1.53 1.53 1.54 1.57 1.89
Georgia - 1.97 1.96 1.96 1.93 1.93 1.95 2.15
Illinois - 4.13 4.07 4.04 4.01 3.98 3.96 3.22
Massachusetts - 7.23 7.21 7.20 7.20 7.13
Michigan - 6.83 6.74 6.70 6.65 5.56


NY 7.9 7.42

[jimnyc]

6,662,256 US total cases

773,125 confirmed
California US
14,748 deaths +335

697,472 confirmed
Texas US
14,745 deaths +340

674,456 confirmed
Florida US
13,086 deaths +444

270,294 confirmed
Illinois US
8,624 deaths +78

209,907 confirmed
Arizona US
5,409 deaths +87

300,903 confirmed
Georgia US
6,474 deaths +121

19,318 confirmed
Delaware US
619 deaths +2

126,722 confirmed
Michigan US
6,955 deaths +34

129,182 confirmed
Massachusetts US
9,245 deaths +26

137,367 confirmed
Virginia US
2,918 deaths +175

447,262 confirmed
New York US
33,047 deaths +17

Yesterday there were 36,782 new confirmed* cases & 977 deaths. (1,293 deaths day before, 422...)

[jimnyc]

Looks like Texas has taken the overall death lead from California. :(


6,791,815 US total cases

784,713 confirmed
California US
15,027 deaths +279

709,083 confirmed
Texas US
15,088 deaths +343

683,754 confirmed
Florida US
13,296 deaths +210

276,443 confirmed
Illinois US
8,686 deaths +62

212,942 confirmed
Arizona US
5,451 deaths +42

306,155 confirmed
Georgia US
6,602 deaths +128

19,566 confirmed
Delaware US
621 deaths +2

128,087 confirmed
Michigan US
6,969 deaths +14

127,540 confirmed
Massachusetts US
9,310 deaths +65

140,395 confirmed
Virginia US
3,013 deaths +95

449,900 confirmed
New York US
33,087 deaths +40

Yesterday there were 41,037 new confirmed* cases & 689 deaths.

[SassyLady]

Looks like Texas has taken the overall death lead from California. :(


6,791,815 US total cases

784,713 confirmed
California US
15,027 deaths +279

709,083 confirmed
Texas US
15,088 deaths +343

683,754 confirmed
Florida US
13,296 deaths +210

276,443 confirmed
Illinois US
8,686 deaths +62

212,942 confirmed
Arizona US
5,451 deaths +42

306,155 confirmed
Georgia US
6,602 deaths +128

19,566 confirmed
Delaware US
621 deaths +2

128,087 confirmed
Michigan US
6,969 deaths +14

127,540 confirmed
Massachusetts US
9,310 deaths +65

140,395 confirmed
Virginia US
3,013 deaths +95

449,900 confirmed
New York US
33,087 deaths +40

Yesterday there were 41,037 new confirmed* cases & 689 deaths.

No, to me it still looks like NY has lead. Double Texas and CA.

[jimnyc]

No, to me it still looks like NY has lead. Double Texas and CA.

Oh yeah, I knew that for quite a long time now. I just mean after that, and perhaps why NY still sits out front after so so long. That's why I leave it at the bottom, as a comparison against the others. Cuomo sucks, but likely other reasons being one of the first and also largest concentration of people in Manhattan.

[Abbey Marie]

@jimnyc (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=1) with the current spike in cases, more updates would be great, if you are up to it.
:salute:

[jimnyc]

@jimnyc (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=1) with the current spike in cases, more updates would be great, if you are up to it.
:salute:

Everyone died as a result of covid-19 and Trumps inability to handle the virus.
Joe Biden won the election & found a cure overnight and also brought everyone back to life.

Ok, dumb joke. :(

I'll update tomorrow or next, first update gonna take awhile!

[jimnyc]

Been awhile since the last update but unfortunately we're still in 2020 and the latest update contains not only the differences since the last update - but showing we're in the mix of the shit again. Seems the 'average' or so in the past 30 days were like 900+ deaths, it drops lower for bits and also hits large days like it was day prior to yesterday, which shows as today's total.

Texas was in the thick of it back last update and had the most deaths since. Cali and Florida hit hard. Some states faring better than others, at least for now. It's supposed to pickup speed with the growing cold weather and longer nights & the virus thriving. It's gonna stay tough until they start getting mass doses of this virus out there which isn't gonna happen apparently until spring.


10,500,259 US total cases +3,708,444

1,023,966 confirmed
Texas US
19,474 deaths +4,386

999,313 confirmed
California US
18,113 deaths +3,086

863,619 confirmed
Florida US
17,372 deaths +4,076

540,965 confirmed
New York US
33,961 deaths +874

536,542 confirmed
Illinois US
10,846 deaths +2,160

416,876 confirmed
Georgia US
8,881 deaths +2,279

265,163 confirmed
Arizona US
6,228 deaths +777

259,183 confirmed
Michigan US
8,185 deaths +1,216

198,027 confirmed
Virginia US
3,758 deaths +745

177,541 confirmed
Massachusetts US
10,222 deaths +912

27,546 confirmed
Delaware US
732 deaths +111

Yesterday there were 143,231 new confirmed* cases & 2,005 deaths.

[Abbey Marie]

Here we go again...

[icansayit]

Take note: As we have been seeing the increasing COVID numbers everyday since they began reporting. HAS ANYONE NOTICED...how they have also managed to include the rising numbers without showing the other MORTALITY rates that are Natural???

IMO. They have increased the COVID numbers by including the natural death rates across the nation. Death rates that have existed since doctors, and hospitals began reporting. WHICH IS ALSO THE SOURCE OF ALL OF THE "OBITUARY PAGES" in newspapers across the country.

Guess we're not supposed to ask, or talk about those rates???
Are they also including accidental deaths on the workplace, and on our highways?

I SUSPECT THEY ARE!

[PixieStix]

Take note: As we have been seeing the increasing COVID numbers everyday since they began reporting. HAS ANYONE NOTICED...how they have also managed to include the rising numbers without showing the other MORTALITY rates that are Natural???

IMO. They have increased the COVID numbers by including the natural death rates across the nation. Death rates that have existed since doctors, and hospitals began reporting. WHICH IS ALSO THE SOURCE OF ALL OF THE "OBITUARY PAGES" in newspapers across the country.

Guess we're not supposed to ask, or talk about those rates???
Are they also including accidental deaths on the workplace, and on our highways?

I SUSPECT THEY ARE!


Yep, they have done that from the very beginning. I have known 1 person in all this time that actually had covid. They gave him hydroxchloroquine and zinc and sent him home. He lived. However his brother died, because he did not take care of his diabetes, and they said he died of covid. They burnt his body, no funeral, no goodbyes, nothing. Take a wild guess which state he lived in.....

[jimnyc]

10,997,987 US total cases

1,055,508 confirmed
Texas US
19,918 deaths +444

1,027,509 confirmed
California US
18,257 deaths +144

875,096 confirmed
Florida US
17,489 deaths +117

573,616 confirmed
Illinois US
11,162 deaths +316

560,200 confirmed
New York US
34,016 deaths +55

424,989 confirmed
Georgia US
8,956 deaths +75

275,792 confirmed
Michigan US
8,376 deaths +191

273,053 confirmed
Arizona US
6,300 deaths +72

201,960 confirmed
Virginia US
3,800 deaths +42

186,142 confirmed
Massachusetts US
10,293 deaths +71

28,803 confirmed
Delaware US
736 deaths +4

Yesterday there were 166,555 new confirmed* cases & 1,266 deaths.

[jimnyc]

11,808,698 US total cases

1,105,906 confirmed
Texas US
20,575 deaths +657

1,082,234 confirmed
California US
18,568 deaths +311

914,333 confirmed
Florida US
17,810 deaths +321

634,395 confirmed
Illinois US
11,795 deaths +633

579,382 confirmed
New York US
34,234 deaths +218

437,156 confirmed
Georgia US
9,102 deaths +146

311,041 confirmed
Michigan US
8,717 deaths +341

291,696 confirmed
Arizona US
6,427 deaths +127

213,331 confirmed
Virginia US
3,912 deaths +112

198,550 confirmed
Massachusetts US
10,435 deaths +142

30,816 confirmed
Delaware US
746 deaths +10

Yesterday there were 187,833 new confirmed* cases & 2,015 deaths.

[jimnyc]

I can't help but watch these numbers all year long, and watch NY stay at smaller numbers - and yet still the closest state is well over 13,000 deaths lower. :rolleyes:

12,305,621 US total cases

1,154,023 confirmed
Texas US
21,013 deaths +438

1,116,232 confirmed
California US
18,729 deaths +161

938,414 confirmed
Florida US
17,991 deaths +181

664,620 confirmed
Illinois US
12,111 deaths +316

596,214 confirmed
New York US
34,319 deaths +85

449,132 confirmed
Georgia US
9,198 deaths +96

329,021 confirmed
Michigan US
8,875 deaths +158

299,665 confirmed
Arizona US
6,464 deaths +37

221,038 confirmed
Virginia US
3,942 deaths +30

206,850 confirmed
Massachusetts US
10,512 deaths +77

32,211 confirmed
Delaware US
752 deaths +6

Yesterday there were 142,732 new confirmed* cases & 921 deaths.

[Abbey Marie]

Pennsylvania won’t let out of state folks in now, without negative recent results or a 14 day quarantine. And since I am right on the border with it, I technically cannot see my friends, eat out at some of my favorite restaurants, shop at Wegmans, etc. It seems unfair.

Also, PA is going “dry” Wednesday evening through Thanksgiving morning. No liquor sales. They are trying to reduce the number of get-togethers that center on drinking. Since Wednesday before Thanksgiving is a big night for friends from HS and college to reconnect, it makes sense. But wow.

[icansayit]

Pennsylvania won’t let out of state folks in now, without negative recent results or a 14 day quarantine. And since I am right on the border with it, I technically cannot see my friends, eat out at some of my favorite restaurants, shop at Wegmans, etc. It seems unfair.

Also, PA is going “dry” Wednesday evening through Thanksgiving morning. No liquor sales. They are trying to reduce the number of get-together that center on drinking. Since Wednesday before Thanksgiving is a big night for friends from HS and college to reconnect, it makes sense. But wow.


The prohibition part doesn't bother me since I am an Alcoholic, and dry for 31 years now. But being forbidden from even going to my own hometown to see friends, and relatives is just....UNCONSTITUTIONAL...for starters. But then. We live in CAVirginia and it's only a matter of time till they start burning books on how to survive in a Socialist nation.

[jimnyc]

Speaking for the tri-state area, apparently now road blocks are setup to track people and enforce quarantines. :rolleyes:

On rolling averages, in the past 14 days these are the states showing the largest 'percentage' of increases: California, Arizona, Virginia & Washington.

13,457,294 US total cases

1,225,697 cases
Texas US
21,850 deaths +837

1,217,508 cases
California US
19,152 deaths +423

992,660 cases
Florida US
18,597 deaths +606

726,304 cases
Illinois US
12,985 deaths +874

641,161 cases
New York US
34,567 deaths +248

469,516 cases
Georgia US
9,442 deaths +244

378,152 cases
Michigan US
9,467 deaths +592

325,995 cases
Arizona US
6,634 deaths +170

237,835 cases
Virginia US
4,062 deaths +120

224,964 cases
Massachusetts US
10,722 deaths +210

35,654 cases
Delaware US
772 deaths +20

Yesterday there were 138,903 new confirmed* cases & 826 deaths.

[tailfins]

The prohibition part doesn't bother me since I am an Alcoholic, and dry for 31 years now. But being forbidden from even going to my own hometown to see friends, and relatives is just....UNCONSTITUTIONAL...for starters. But then. We live in CAVirginia and it's only a matter of time till they start burning books on how to survive in a Socialist nation.



In contrast, we can see that corruption is a safety valve against socialism. We all can go to Mexico and Brazil at will! I went to Mexico twice since September and the only hassle I got was from Greyhound (A US company) refused me a ticket, but a Mexican bus company was no worries.

[jimnyc]

13,975,104 US total cases

1,269,811 cases
Texas US
22,337 deaths +487

1,269,197 cases
California US
19,447 deaths +295

1,018,160 cases
Florida US
18,776 deaths +179

748,603 cases
Illinois US
13,397 deaths +412

664,238 cases
New York US
34,718 deaths +151

482,139 cases
Georgia US
9,567 deaths +125

402,886 cases
Michigan US
9,842 deaths +375

340,979 cases
Arizona US
6,739 deaths +105

244,503 cases
Virginia US
4,147 deaths +85

234,232 cases
Massachusetts US
10,824 deaths +102

37,456 cases
Delaware US
779 deaths +9

Yesterday there were 200,070 new confirmed* cases & 2,804 deaths

[jimnyc]

The first few shots of vaccines have started - and they better pick up speed - as the infections and deaths are picking up speed quickly. :( Yesterday was a record day.

Take care of yourselves out there folks! Please! Mask up and protect yourself. Be mindful of others and the elderly and those that may have ailments already that would make things worse. :(

15,577,813 US total cases

1,467,025 cases
California US
20,511 deaths +1,064

1,372,719 cases
Texas US
23,894 deaths +1,557

1,094,697 cases
Florida US
19,591 deaths +815

823,531 cases
Illinois US
14,844 deaths +1,447

743,242 cases
New York US
35,266 deaths +548

525,402 cases
Georgia US
9,975 deaths +408

454,720 cases
Michigan US
10,900 deaths +1,058

387,529 cases
Arizona US
7,154 deaths +415

274,781 cases
Massachusetts US
11,209 deaths +385

271,043 cases
Virginia US
4,335 deaths +188

43,036 cases
Delaware US
806 deaths +27

Yesterday there were 221,267 new confirmed* cases & 3,124 deaths.


COVID's deadliest day: US deaths surpass 3,000 for first time since virus took hold in America and a record 106k are hospitalized - up nearly 20% in just two weeks


At least 3,124 American coronavirus patients died on Wednesday in the pandemic's most deadly day
It is the first time the virus has claimed 3,000 American lives or more in a single day
The number of COVID patients hospitalized nationwide also grew to a new all-time high of 106,688, which is up 18% in the last two weeks
There were 221,267 new infections recorded yesterday. Cases per day are now eclipsing 200,000 on average for the first time on record
The CDC's latest forecast is now predicting another 72,000 deaths within the next four weeks
The grim tolls comes on the same day a panel of FDA advisers will meet to weigh whether to recommend the agency authorize Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine
Ten counties in California reported having no intensive care unit beds available on Wednesday, as the state reported yet another record for new daily cases
Operation Warp Speed, the White House response to the pandemic, urged Americans to continue mask-wearing and social distancing on Wednesday as it said a vaccine could be approved by the weekend


The United States has crossed an ominous new threshold of 3,000 lives lost to COVID-19 in a single day as hospitalizations continued to surge to record highs.

At least 3,124 Americans died yesterday, which is the highest number of deaths in a single day throughout the pandemic. The previous single-day record was last Thursday when 2,879 deaths were recorded.

The number of COVID patients hospitalized across the country continues to surge to all-time highs with 106,688 currently being treated, which is up 18 percent over the previous two weeks.

There were 221,267 new infections recorded yesterday.

Deaths from COVID-19 in the US have soared to more than 2,200 a day on average, matching the peak reached at the height of the pandemic last April, in the aftermath of Thanksgiving. Cases per day are now eclipsing 200,000 on average for the first time on record.

Rest - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9037453/The-Deadliest-Day-coronavirus-deaths-surpass-3-000-highest-single-day-date.html

[gabosaurus]

These are the Covid-19 stats that I have always been referred to. Not sure if there are others, though I am sure there are. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Sorry but the numbers are being faked.
This new round of hype is being pushed in order to get more people to accept the vaccine.
The vaccine is the greater threat --more than likely, imho...
As those hellbent on pushing it, definitely have a hidden agenda..
One that fits in well with agenda of The New World Order. ----Tyr

[jimnyc]

Sorry but the numbers are being faked.
This new round of hype is being pushed in order to get more people to accept the vaccine.
The vaccine is the greater threat --more than likely, imho...
As those hellbent on pushing it, definitely have a hidden agenda..
One that fits in well with agenda of The New World Order. ----Tyr

I do believe that a lot of numbers were faked. Lots of fraud took place here too. A lot of "fear porn" was created this year to keep people home, create more chaos and add this to everything else to get rid of Trump. So yes, lots of fraud and lots of lies.

But with that said, Covid-19 isn't faked itself. It is a dangerous infection if you get it, it is pretty damn contagious & very dangerous for many people out there. I do think it is still to be feared, still to be respected. I do think masks are a good thing at the appropriate times. Staying away from crowds without masks is a wise thing. All the same things we would do to avoid getting a bad flu, or worse, getting it and passing it to a child or elderly person and they getting terribly sick as a result. I do believe that all of the bad things we know about Covid is in fact legit. But I also believe when you add in $$$ for incentives, there WILL be abuse. Have this in an election year, and you will see politicians and more playing games with a medical issue. I don't deny that a shitload of shady things have taken place and likely will going forward. So it's a mixed bag out there. But it is deadly and people are dying and folks are now again filling hospitals and ICU units. And worse, now the daily death count is worse than ever from this thing.

[tailfins]

I do believe that a lot of numbers were faked. Lots of fraud took place here too. A lot of "fear porn" was created this year to keep people home, create more chaos and add this to everything else to get rid of Trump. So yes, lots of fraud and lots of lies.

But with that said, Covid-19 isn't faked itself. It is a dangerous infection if you get it, it is pretty damn contagious & very dangerous for many people out there. I do think it is still to be feared, still to be respected. I do think masks are a good thing at the appropriate times. Staying away from crowds without masks is a wise thing. All the same things we would do to avoid getting a bad flu, or worse, getting it and passing it to a child or elderly person and they getting terribly sick as a result. I do believe that all of the bad things we know about Covid is in fact legit. But I also believe when you add in $$$ for incentives, there WILL be abuse. Have this in an election year, and you will see politicians and more playing games with a medical issue. I don't deny that a shitload of shady things have taken place and likely will going forward. So it's a mixed bag out there. But it is deadly and people are dying and folks are now again filling hospitals and ICU units. And worse, now the daily death count is worse than ever from this thing.

Even without COVID, social distancing in our current society is a darn good idea. It will have a positive effect on one's blood pressure!

[jimnyc]

16,651,589 US total cases

1,627,574 cases
California US
21,243 deaths +732

1,494,825 cases
Texas US
24,457 deaths +563

1,143,794 cases
Florida US
20,082 deaths +491

863,477 cases
Illinois US
15,587 deaths +743

794,557 cases
New York US
35,565 deaths +299

553,995 cases
Georgia US
10,160 deaths +185

478,314 cases
Michigan US
11,490 deaths +590

420,248 cases
Arizona US
7,358 deaths +204

294,231 cases
Massachusetts US
11,388 deaths +179

288,309 cases
Virginia US
4,470 deaths +135

47,142 cases
Delaware US
826 deaths +20

Yesterday there were 192,479 new confirmed* cases & 1,311 deaths.

[jimnyc]

Been 15 days...

19,923,169 US total cases

2,272,062 cases
California US
25,439 deaths +4,196

1,762,062 cases
Texas US
27,617 deaths +3,160

1,323,315 cases
Florida US
21,673 deaths +1,591

978,783 cases
New York US
37,979 deaths +2,414

963,389 cases
Illinois US
17,978 deaths +2,391

666,452 cases
Georgia US
10,934 deaths +774

528,621 cases
Michigan US
13,018 deaths +1,528

520,207 cases
Arizona US
8,864 deaths +1,506

367,918 cases
Massachusetts US
12,338 deaths +950

349,584 cases
Virginia US
5,032 deaths +562

57,456 cases
Delaware US
926 deaths +100

Yesterday there were 229,042 new confirmed* cases & 3,744 deaths

[jimnyc]

Keep in mind it's been a little while, but the rankings have changed a little and California is now on top.

Everyone knows my stance. This things is still out there and still as deadly and just traveling around. Now with many more variants. No doubt abuse of numbers IMO - due directly to the financial gain. Or numbers being off due to so many other types of deaths and the death certificate still pointing to covid. So it is being abused, but that doesn't change a whole lot other than to confuse the masses and scare more.

And I guess covid-19 might have a dual use and also then be injected to cure the flu? Of course that's bullshit, but odd that flu reports took such a dive since covid came around. This IS a conspiracy theory from me admittedly as I have nothing to run on other than major suspicion. Covid has apparently eaten up the flu. Article at bottom.

Are all of these numbers a result of the winter season coming in? Perhaps due to the new variants out there that came from other countries? All kinds of other countries reported about this new variant but didn't see many close up shop. Are numbers up - because this newer strain is reported to be 30% more deadly, and states it is 70% more contagious? How did it get here, and from where?

But also, this new strain was first detected in South England apparently and has made it's way to over 50 countries. That is worldwide failure. It's now referred to as the "Kent virus" from where it was discovered. But although folks have the freedom and right to go to jail for 10 years if they dare disobey the laws on covid, shop wasn't closed up. Now things are, and other countries did so or are doing so now. A little late ya think? :rolleyes:

Still fighting over mandates here and many ignoring things & quarantines incoming and what not. Most countries also quarantining upon arrival.

Now a few vaccines are out but just how effective are they and how much so against this new variant and how will it do in the long run? Quite a few stories about folks getting the virus after the first shot and dying and now a few of the same after the 2nd shot. But as we know, some folks are a hell of a lot more compromised.

The only good news is that they are out and they are getting better at the speed of doing so. Last I heard they said that hopefully by end of April or March it may be available to anyone. Believe that when I see it.


27,616,922 US total cases

3,480,228 cases
California US
46,874 deaths +21,435

2,560,754 cases
Texas US
41,149 deaths +13,532

1,821,937 cases
Florida US
28,683 deaths +7,010

1,539,870 cases
New York US
45,807 deaths +7,828

1,160,523 cases
Illinois US
22,087 deaths +4,109

962,808 cases
Georgia US
15,850 deaths +4,916

795,323 cases
Arizona US
14,948 deaths +6,084

628,956 cases
Michigan US
16,119 deaths +3,101

555,895 cases
Massachusetts US
15,424 deaths +3,086

549,999 cases
Virginia US
7,012 deaths +1,980

83,003 cases
Delaware US
1,283 deaths +357

Has Covid killed off the flu? Experts pose the intriguing question as influenza cases nosedive by 98% across the globe


Many feared 'twin-demic' of flu, which kills thousands, and Covid-19 this winter
Thirty million people - 20 per cent more than normal - now eligible for the flu jab
'Surveillance' data collected by WHO shows how flu cases plummeted globally


It was feared by many to be the perfect winter storm, a nightmare situation that would push our health service over the edge: the 'twin-demic' of flu, which kills about 10,000 Britons every year, and a second deadly wave of Covid-19.

Such was the concern that the Government rolled out the biggest flu vaccination programme in British history.

Thirty million people – 20 per cent more than normal, and now including all over-50s – are eligible for this year's jab.

Take up of the vaccine is already the highest it has ever been in the over-65s and young children, according to the latest reports.

There's just one curious problem: flu, it seems, has all but vanished.

The disappearing act began as Covid-19 rolled in towards the end of our flu season in March. And just how swiftly rates have plummeted can be observed in 'surveillance' data collected by the World Health Organisation (WHO).

Patients aren't routinely tested for flu, even if it's suspected, but a number of 'sentinel' GP surgeries and hospitals do carry out diagnostic screening on those who have symptoms, and this data gives us the most accurate picture of how much flu is in circulation.

And the figures provide a startling insight into what has become a creeping trend across the world.

Rest - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8875201/Has-Covid-killed-flu.html

[jimnyc]

Been awhile and this update is just shy of a month since the last update.

Been a lot of deaths in California, Texas, Florida & NY.

Still chugging along. I'm hoping that these numbers will change over the next 3-6 months with incoming vaccines.


29,814,756 US total cases

3,608,376 cases
California US
54,621 deaths +7,747

2,708,716 cases
Texas US
45,808 deaths +4,659

1,952,733 cases
Florida US
31,926 deaths +3,243

1,745,965 cases
New York US
48,726 deaths +2,919

1,202,709 cases
Illinois US
23,067 deaths +980

1,026,692 cases
Georgia US
17,978 deaths 2,128

828,630 cases
Arizona US
16,404 deaths +1,456

659,890 cases
Michigan US
16,692 deaths +573

593,607 cases
Massachusetts US
16,456 deaths +1,032

589,375 cases
Virginia US
9,849 deaths +2,837

88,679 cases
Delaware US
1,482 deaths +199