Bloody Civil war

[Evmetro]

I can't help but to wonder if or when a genuine violent civil war will break out in america. The two sides of the existing political war are already polarized and it does not appear that there is any hope in the future for the two sides to agree. All the civil unrest that we are seeing right now could very well be the beginning of a war with violence and bloodshed, a war that won't end until one side has been overwhelmed by violence and force. Anybody else sense that this is inevitable?

[Abbey Marie]

I do not. The 60s riots were worse, and we got through it.

[icansayit]

I can't help but to wonder if or when a genuine violent civil war will break out in america. The two sides of the existing political war are already polarized and it does not appear that there is any hope in the future for the two sides to agree. All the civil unrest that we are seeing right now could very well be the beginning of a war with violence and bloodshed, a war that won't end until one side has been overwhelmed by violence and force. Anybody else sense that this is inevitable?


I happened to live through the WATTS era, then the NAM era when Hateful Americans called me names, even assaulted me in Philly coming home for a weekend from my ship in the sixties. Remember Dr. King's murder and the same people were involved. Then Bobby Kennedy, here we go again. Rodney King the same time I was in the Persian Gulf during Desert Storm, and on, and on, and on. But our Constitutional Republic stayed strong...as long as the WEAKLINGS weren't in charge..Demanding that a CIVIL WAR was coming. OVER MY COLD DEAD BODY!
We are stronger than the ignorant trouble-makers who convince the Uneducated they are victims of the Greatest Nation on earth.

[revelarts]

I happened to live through the WATTS era, then the NAM era when Hateful Americans called me names, even assaulted me in Philly coming home for a weekend from my ship in the sixties. Remember Dr. King's murder and the same people were involved. Then Bobby Kennedy, here we go again. Rodney King the same time I was in the Persian Gulf during Desert Storm, and on, and on, and on. But our Constitutional Republic stayed strong...as long as the WEAKLINGS weren't in charge..Demanding that a CIVIL WAR was coming. OVER MY COLD DEAD BODY!
We are stronger than the ignorant trouble-makers who convince the Uneducated they are victims of the Greatest Nation on earth.

i'd agree with most of that.
But you're pretty much a victim if the law enforcers of the land can have a knee on your neck for nine minutes until you're dead while other cops and bystanders watch as you die.
Then many good folks are more upset at the REACTION than the gov't murder.

most black people don't want a war... just cops and gov't we can trust not be bullies and murders.
And fellow citizens that can acknowledge the problems and help fix them.

but that's "Hating America!" to some so
I guess we'll just do the dance forever.

[Black Diamond]

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[Abbey Marie]

i'd agree with most of that.
But you're pretty much a victim if the law enforcers of the land can have a knee on your neck for nine minutes until you're dead while other cops and bystanders watch as you die.
Then many good folks are more upset at the REACTION than the gov't murder.

most black people don't want a war... just cops and gov't we can trust not be bullies and murders.
And fellow citizens that can acknowledge the problems and help fix them.

but that's "Hating America!" to some so
I guess we'll just do the dance forever.

Rev, is looting and burning things down and threatening the WH your idea of how to accomplish these goals?

Do you think fellow citizens are likely to “acknowledge the problems and help fix them” when they see looting and burning and threatening the WH?

[Black Diamond]

Rev, is looting and burning things down and threatening the WH your idea of how to accomplish these goals?

Do you think fellow citizens are likely to “acknowledge the problems and help fix them” when they see looting and burning and threatening the WH?

There have been several deaths from these riots the past few days. It will be interesting to see how much people care about them.

[icansayit]

i'd agree with most of that.
But you're pretty much a victim if the law enforcers of the land can have a knee on your neck for nine minutes until you're dead while other cops and bystanders watch as you die.
Then many good folks are more upset at the REACTION than the gov't murder.

most black people don't want a war... just cops and gov't we can trust not be bullies and murders.
And fellow citizens that can acknowledge the problems and help fix them.

but that's "Hating America!" to some so
I guess we'll just do the dance forever.


Would just let the Justice System work as designed. Outsiders, and intent trouble-makers perpetuated the anger, and generated the LAWLESSNESS. The officers have been fired, and the Murdering Cop has been arrested.

At NO TIME in our consitution does ANY AMERICAN have the right, or power to become Judge, Jury, or Executioner. That's why we have a Judicial system that also punishes BAD COPS.

[revelarts]

and here we go.
look I'll reply to all your ...questions?
But i have to ask.
do you guys really think that's who I am?
Someone who condones riots, looting and violence?
To promote a political end.

[pete311]

and here we go.
look I'll reply to all your ...questions?
But i have to ask.
do you guys really think that's who I am?
Someone who condones riots, looting and violence?
To promote a political end.

How long have you been a member? Of course they do.

[Kathianne]

and here we go.
look I'll reply to all your ...questions?
But i have to ask.
do you guys really think that's who I am?
Someone who condones riots, looting and violence?
To promote a political end.

No, I don't think that is whom you are.

I know if I were younger and black, I'd want to protest. Heck, I would do so just as a human being and white. I wouldn't mind marching for equal treatment under the law for all even today.

Here's my issue, the riots, not the protests, are causing a lost moment. A moment that a man was murdered for.

I also truly believe that these young, angry men are once again being manipulated by antifa/OWS anarchists. It's a matter of time before more are killed and then what?

I'm seriously concerned that MN is going to revise the charges against that cop and he's going to walk. Why? The idiots would rather cave then assume people can understand the rationale. Instead they're being told to 'trust us, trust me.' Ellison. :rolleyes: He's black, so what? What has he done to lift the poor? He's all about him.

[Evmetro]

I happened to live through the WATTS era, then the NAM era when Hateful Americans called me names, even assaulted me in Philly coming home for a weekend from my ship in the sixties. Remember Dr. King's murder and the same people were involved. Then Bobby Kennedy, here we go again. Rodney King the same time I was in the Persian Gulf during Desert Storm, and on, and on, and on. But our Constitutional Republic stayed strong...as long as the WEAKLINGS weren't in charge..Demanding that a CIVIL WAR was coming. OVER MY COLD DEAD BODY!
We are stronger than the ignorant trouble-makers who convince the Uneducated they are victims of the Greatest Nation on earth.

Do you see two sides of a political civil war that we are already engaged in? If so, are you able to see two sides that are already polarized?

[icansayit]

Do you see two sides of a political civil war that we are already engaged in? If so, are you able to see two sides that are already polarized?


But...it is not a "Civil War". This nation is too mighty, and the so-called anti-Americans are far outnumbered by those of us who will not allow our nation to fall under their MOB RULE.

The Polarized numbers are high, but few when push comes to shove. Stop being so negative. That's what the MSM and Democrats rely on, and feed upon to succeed with their hatred, cheating and lying. Their only plan is to SCARE those Americans who claim to be perpetual Victims. You know? The same people in this nation, from all races who claim they are owed Reparations for what their past generations have lived through. Compare Reparations to Socialism and there is very little difference in the Imagined rewards of Getting Something for nothing because of the victimhood they demand is their Right.

[Evmetro]

But...it is not a "Civil War". This nation is too mighty, and the so-called anti-Americans are far outnumbered by those of us who will not allow our nation to fall under their MOB RULE.

The Polarized numbers are high, but few when push comes to shove. Stop being so negative. That's what the MSM and Democrats rely on, and feed upon to succeed with their hatred, cheating and lying. Their only plan is to SCARE those Americans who claim to be perpetual Victims. You know? The same people in this nation, from all races who claim they are owed Reparations for what their past generations have lived through. Compare Reparations to Socialism and there is very little difference in the Imagined rewards of Getting Something for nothing because of the victimhood they demand is their Right.

I percieve a "political" civil war that has been going on for some time that is not the same thing as the bloody violent civil war that I speculate about. In the political civil war, it would appear that the two sides are polarized, and I dont see the path to peace. I don't know if the unrest will escalate to bloody and violent all out war or not, but it often appears that it could go that way until one side is finally forced to surrender and submit.

[Abbey Marie]

and here we go.
look I'll reply to all your ...questions?
But i have to ask.
do you guys really think that's who I am?
Someone who condones riots, looting and violence?
To promote a political end.

I didn’t, I don’t, but your post that I quoted made me respond. You said people are more upset at the reaction than the murder. That makes it sound like you are upset with anyone who is speaking out angrily about the looting, etc.

I’m not even sure politics is at the root anymore, beyond the Antifa stuff. I feel like people are going crazy, and my fear is that white reaction to the looting will raise the beast.

[Evmetro]

i'd agree with most of that.
But you're pretty much a victim if the law enforcers of the land can have a knee on your neck for nine minutes until you're dead while other cops and bystanders watch as you die.
Then many good folks are more upset at the REACTION than the gov't murder.

most black people don't want a war... just cops and gov't we can trust not be bullies and murders.
And fellow citizens that can acknowledge the problems and help fix them.

but that's "Hating America!" to some so
I guess we'll just do the dance forever.

I can't see any plausible path that could justify the knee on the neck for that long , if at all. As far as being a victim though, did Floyd ever have an option to simply comply with whatever the cop wanted him to do? From what I saw on the video, he was certainly a victim of violent and horrific injustice, but I have not looked into it enough to know if he ever had an option to simply comply to avoid the risks involved with non compliance.

[Evmetro]

and here we go.
look I'll reply to all your ...questions?
But i have to ask.
do you guys really think that's who I am?
Someone who condones riots, looting and violence?
To promote a political end.

Wow, this is spot on! Way to plow through political bullshit!

[SassyLady]

I don't see a bloody civil war coming. I do see a lot of division coming and MSM and social media are stoking the fire.

[revelarts]

I didn’t, I don’t, but your post that I quoted made me respond. You said people are more upset at the reaction than the murder. That makes it sound like you are upset with anyone who is speaking out angrily about the looting, etc.

I’m not even sure politics is at the root anymore, beyond the Antifa stuff. I feel like people are going crazy, and my fear is that white reaction to the looting will raise the beast.

Yes, I said MORE upset.
I did not say people should not be upset. And don't see how my words imply that either.
Seems like folks assumed that I embraced riots or condone violence.


"Rev, is looting and burning things down and threatening the WH your idea of how to accomplish these goals?... "
"Would just let the Justice System work as designed. Outsiders, and intent trouble-makers perpetuated the anger, and generated the LAWLESSNESS. ...
..."There have been several deaths from these riots the past few days. It will be interesting to see how much people care about them. .."

all 3 comments assume I'm promoting riots, And/Or AGAIN they show emotional outrage over riots. And ZERO reply to the rest of my statement.
as i said, MORE concern over riots.


one issue I have is I can't figure out why people automatically start taking sides. and waiting for more conflict. Rather trying to come up with or work toward fixing problems
with Murderous POLICE and Violent reactionaries. And BS divide and conquer politicians "activist" and media.

As I said Initially. MOST Black whites Latinos everyone really just want to live in peace.
The question is America so small that antifa, anarchist, Neo-Nazis and fringe violent black groups and the MSM can make us "crazy"?
I hope not.

The sad thing is I feel like many on the right see riots and assume ALL black or even MOST blacks agree with it.
Not even close, most of us do "understand it" but still think it's stupid, counter productive and criminal. AND HAVE SAID SO.
But the knee jerk reaction of the many on the right seems to be that, we should address the riot problem can and safely ignore the police problem... and again imagine that there's was never a problem.

[revelarts]

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for what it's worth 2 points to consider. (or ignore)

1. white gov't authorized city police murderer = random civilian black murderer?
They are the same?

2. Do nothing?
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?47885-The-Growing-Phenomenon-of-Police-Shooting-Unarmed-Citizens&p=717407#post717407

[Evmetro]

Yes, I said MORE upset.
I did not say people should not be upset. And don't see how my words imply that either.
Seems like folks assumed that I embraced riots or condone violence.



all 3 comments assume I'm promoting riots, And/Or AGAIN they show emotional outrage over riots. And ZERO reply to the rest of my statement.
as i said, MORE concern over riots.


one issue I have is I can't figure out why people automatically start taking sides. and waiting for more conflict. Rather trying to come up with or work toward fixing problems
with Murderous POLICE and Violent reactionaries. And BS divide and conquer politicians "activist" and media.

As I said Initially. MOST Black whites Latinos everyone really just want to live in peace.
The question is America so small that antifa, anarchist, Neo-Nazis and fringe violent black groups and the MSM can make us "crazy"?
I hope not.

The sad thing is I feel like many on the right see riots and assume ALL black or even MOST blacks agree with it.
Not even close, most of us do "understand it" but still think it's stupid, counter productive and criminal. AND HAVE SAID SO.
But the knee jerk reaction of the many on the right seems to be that, we should address the riot problem can and safely ignore the police problem... and again imagine that there's was never a problem.
I am interested in gaining a more objective understanding what problem the police are, and I am interested in understanding from the perspective of those who see the police as a problem. I have sorted through political propaganda from all bias positions, but am still having difficulty seeing the scale of the police problem from the opposing perspective. Your posts are fascinating, but I don't always understand them. You make some fantastic points.

[SassyLady]

for what it's worth 2 points to consider. (or ignore)

1. white gov't authorized city police murderer = random civilian black murderer?
They are the same?

2. Do nothing?
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?47885-The-Growing-Phenomenon-of-Police-Shooting-Unarmed-Citizens&p=717407#post717407

Rev, speaking for myself ..... I don't understand why the rioting now. Why not when the video of the father son killing the black jogger came out? Why not after a weekend of murders in Chicago where black on black killings is so high? Why this particular murder?

[Evmetro]

I don't see a bloody civil war coming. I do see a lot of division coming and MSM and social media are stoking the fire.

I sure hope you are correct, and I certainly agree that we will likely see even more division coming. I don't know how much more division we can have without igniting the violent bloody war. Hopefully more than I suspect.

[revelarts]

Rev, speaking for myself ..... I don't understand why the rioting now. Why not when the video of the father son killing the black jogger came out? ...Why this particular murder?
here's the thing Sassy, people don't riot over MOST of the apparently unjustified abuses and killings by police.
If you'd go to sites like COP Watch you'd see a stream of police abuses toward black white brown yellow dog and cats. going back months years from around the country.
No riots.
who knows why this particular murder broke the camels back.
I'm more surprised that in the past some incidents ...where the facts are sketchy... become points of outrage. There are enough clear ones, similar ... if not as blatant as the floyd murder.
like handcuffed black man in the back seat of cop car "commits suicide" according to the police. Homeless whiteman in desert shot dead by LEO, camera shows man compliant and non-threating. black man in wheelchair on the sidewalk shoved out of chair by a cop, etc etc...

why this indecent I have no Idea.


... Why not after a weekend of murders in Chicago where black on black killings is so high?...

as far as how people react to black on black crime please see link i posted above
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?47885-The-Growing-Phenomenon-of-Police-Shooting-Unarmed-Citizens&p=717407#post717407


and to be be clear. I'm not sure why people seem to think that civilian black kids killing other civilian black kids is THE SAME as LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS killing innocent people.

Do you really think that's it's the same?

One group are primarily frankly stupid misguided kids,
while the others are trained LEOs who are paid by the gov't to "protect and serve".
The exact OPPOSITE of killing innocent people. Or hurting people who are compliant and/or already in custody.

so yes by default people see the killings differently.
Both are TRAGIC and HORRIBLE but one is an attack/abuse by gov't officials.
The others are stupid crimes by some bad kids and scumbag criminals doing what they do.

BTW 85% of white killings are done by other white people.
White on White crime.

[revelarts]

I am interested in gaining a more objective understanding what problem the police are, and I am interested in understanding from the perspective of those who see the police as a problem. I have sorted through political propaganda from all bias positions, but am still having difficulty seeing the scale of the police problem from the opposing perspective. Your posts are fascinating, but I don't always understand them. You make some fantastic points.

thanks,
and briefly IMO, perspective wise, here's the thing for many blacks.

the police from their Inception have been a force of oppression. Some police in the south were literately formed 1st as the "slave patrol (https://lawenforcementmuseum.org/2019/07/10/slave-patrols-an-early-form-of-american-policing/)" .
And after Slavery was abolished the police north and south were used to keep the blacks "in their place". as racism and hard core legal discrimination was just a normal part of American life. Being unjustly harassed or killed by the police/U.S.gov't (or an American mob) without any recourse and for nearly any reason was something that always hung over blacks in America.
Thankfully more and more civil rights reforms were made, many during the 1960's. ON PAPER. But Changing police culture has been a slower road. So still in the poorer areas the police often acted with little regard for the ... lets say the constitution. Harsh treatment, false arrest and imprisonments generally or random disrespect and harassment. But still overall the culture made progress. But in regards to Law Enforcement there was added " the war on drugs " set up by NIXON.
"When asked about the "war on drugs" begun in the Nixon Administration...
....“You want to know what this was really all about?” he asked with the bluntness of a man who, after public disgrace and a stretch in federal prison, had little left to protect. “The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black people, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”
John Ehrlichman
counsel and Assistant to the President for Domestic Affairs under President Richard Nixon.
https://harpers.org/archive/2016/04/legalize-it-all/" (https://harpers.org/archive/2016/04/legalize-it-all/)

The war on drugs put a lot of people in jail some justly but as Ehrlichman said blacks were a target. ( + "tough on crime" regs, 3 strikes you out laws, Clinton's "super predators" crime bill)
How many police drugs raids and arrest on college campus have you read about over the years. I saw white guys with more drugs in college than i ever saw blacks had in my neighborhood.

I'll Add anecdotally, if you ask ANY black male and most black women they will tell you about them or a close family member or friend that's had a (or several) uncomfortable to horrific experience with police. My brother has had police trained guns on him 3 different times, twice for plain traffic stops. One of my friends brothers was falsely accused by cops and went to jails for years... until they real criminal confessed. My wife's best friend, wife of a college professor, was pulled over regularly by the same cop and asked why she was in her own, mostly white upscale, neighborhood.

So, the history we're aware of and have heard from parents and grandparents is by DEFAULT different than the experience and view of police of many whites.
So seeing this murder doesn't just look like a ONE OFF of a "bad apple" It looks like more of the same. same as the 60's, 70s, 80's, 90s the past 200+ years.

that's in nutshell is the "perspective".

We all grew up watching police shows too, where the Police are 99% of the times the good guys but in our homes and what we lived we were warned to respect police but be weary of police too.
Many are decent guys but it only takes ONE to destroy your life over nothing, and they're NOT likely to be questioned, caught or tried for nearly any abuse.

Also IMO, becasue of the war on drugs, harsher policing and laws and police militarization began to spread even further so even more people ..white people... are caught up in "crime". And are getting arrested and killed over BS. stop and frisk, no knock warrants, swat teams serving simple warrants, people having assets "forfeited" . etc..
Add to that what seemed to be turn in LEO's general attitudes, where they seem more concerned with getting home at night safe than "protecting and serving". "Better tried by 12 than carried by 6" and the like.
and the mindset that Leo's are, well, "Officials" while everyone else are lowly "civilians" or worse "a potential enemy".
Plus poor training, Like until the past 10+ years little training on deescalation of violence. Multiple police and ex-police have outlined the problems i've mentioned.

So yeah that's part of the perspective many people have.
However even after saying all of that, I do think there's been a move around the country for police depts to do better.
But the perspective of history, recent and otherwise, doesn't help many people focus on the progress.

[Evmetro]

thanks,
and briefly IMO, perspective wise, here's the thing for many blacks.

the police from their Inception have been a force of oppression. Some police in the south were literately formed 1st as the "slave patrol (https://lawenforcementmuseum.org/2019/07/10/slave-patrols-an-early-form-of-american-policing/)" .
And after Slavery was abolished the police north and south were used to keep the blacks "in their place". as racism and hard core legal discrimination was just a normal part of American life. Being unjustly harassed or killed by the police/U.S.gov't (or an American mob) without any recourse and for nearly any reason was something that always hung over blacks in America.
Thankfully more and more civil rights reforms were made, many during the 1960's. ON PAPER. But Changing police culture has been a slower road. So still in the poorer areas the police often acted with little regard for the ... lets say the constitution. Harsh treatment, false arrest and imprisonments generally or random disrespect and harassment. But still overall the culture made progress. But in regards to Law Enforcement there was added " the war on drugs " set up by NIXON.
"When asked about the "war on drugs" begun in the Nixon Administration...
....“You want to know what this was really all about?” he asked with the bluntness of a man who, after public disgrace and a stretch in federal prison, had little left to protect. “The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black people, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”
John Ehrlichman
counsel and Assistant to the President for Domestic Affairs under President Richard Nixon.
https://harpers.org/archive/2016/04/legalize-it-all/" (https://harpers.org/archive/2016/04/legalize-it-all/)

The war on drugs put a lot of people in jail some justly but as Ehrlichman said blacks were a target. ( + "tough on crime" regs, 3 strikes you out laws, Clinton's "super predators" crime bill)
How many police drugs raids and arrest on college campus have you read about over the years. I saw white guys with more drugs in college than i ever saw blacks had in my neighborhood.

I'll Add anecdotally, if you ask ANY black male and most black women they will tell you about them or a close family member or friend that's had a (or several) uncomfortable to horrific experience with police. My brother has had police trained guns on him 3 different times, twice for plain traffic stops. One of my friends brothers was falsely accused by cops and went to jails for years... until they real criminal confessed. My wife's best friend, wife of a college professor, was pulled over regularly by the same cop and asked why she was in her own, mostly white upscale, neighborhood.

So, the history we're aware of and have heard from parents and grandparents is by DEFAULT different than the experience and view of police of many whites.
So seeing this murder doesn't just look like a ONE OFF of a "bad apple" It looks like more of the same. same as the 60's, 70s, 80's, 90s the past 200+ years.

that's in nutshell is the "perspective".

We all grew up watching police shows too, where the Police are 99% of the times the good guys but in our homes and what we lived we were warned to respect police but be weary of police too.
Many are decent guys but it only takes ONE to destroy your life over nothing, and they're NOT likely to be questioned, caught or tried for nearly any abuse.

Also IMO, becasue of the war on drugs, harsher policing and laws and police militarization began to spread even further so even more people ..white people... are caught up in "crime". And are getting arrested and killed over BS. stop and frisk, no knock warrants, swat teams serving simple warrants, people having assets "forfeited" . etc..
Add to that what seemed to be turn in LEO's general attitudes, where they seem more concerned with getting home at night safe than "protecting and serving". "Better tried by 12 than carried by 6" and the like.
and the mindset that Leo's are, well, "Officials" while everyone else are lowly "civilians" or worse "a potential enemy".
Plus poor training, Like until the past 10+ years little training on deescalation of violence. Multiple police and ex-police have outlined the problems i've mentioned.

So yeah that's part of the perspective many people have.
However even after saying all of that, I do think there's been a move around the country for police depts to do better.
But the perspective of history, recent and otherwise, doesn't help many people focus on the progress.

This history of injustice sounds like something that could be exploited for political gain, especially if "true" equality still has not been achieved. It sounds like the problem is something that is deeper than what can be shown on paper, and it is probably compounded by a cycle of circumstances.

[SassyLady]

here's the thing Sassy, people don't riot over MOST of the apparently unjustified abuses and killings by police.
If you'd go to sites like COP Watch you'd see a stream of police abuses toward black white brown yellow dog and cats. going back months years from around the country.
No riots.
who knows why this particular murder broke the camels back.
I'm more surprised that in the past some incidents ...where the facts are sketchy... become points of outrage. There are enough clear ones, similar ... if not as blatant as the floyd murder.
like handcuffed black man in the back seat of cop car "commits suicide" according to the police. Homeless whiteman in desert shot dead by LEO, camera shows man compliant and non-threating. black man in wheelchair on the sidewalk shoved out of chair by a cop, etc etc...

why this indecent I have no Idea.



as far as how people react to black on black crime please see link i posted above
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?47885-The-Growing-Phenomenon-of-Police-Shooting-Unarmed-Citizens&p=717407#post717407


and to be be clear. I'm not sure why people seem to think that civilian black kids killing other civilian black kids is THE SAME as LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS killing innocent people.

Do you really think that's it's the same?

One group are primarily frankly stupid misguided kids,
while the others are trained LEOs who are paid by the gov't to "protect and serve".
The exact OPPOSITE of killing innocent people. Or hurting people who are compliant and/or already in custody.

so yes by default people see the killings differently.
Both are TRAGIC and HORRIBLE but one is an attack/abuse by gov't officials.
The others are stupid crimes by some bad kids and scumbag criminals doing what they do.

BTW 85% of white killings are done by other white people.
White on White crime.
I think the outrage and calls for something to change should have same intensity. Both should be PEACEFULLY protested.

Maybe if young, black, stupid, misguided kids saw massive protests over their behavior it would get their attention.

This chart shows more white people are killed by cops. I wonder how many are killed by black cops. And yet the white people don't start riots like this. Why?

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https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

[Gunny]

How long have you been a member? Of course they do.No, leftoid. We think that about YOU. I have a lot more respect for what rev has to say, even when I disagree, than I do for a MSNBC bot like you.

[Gunny]

I didn’t, I don’t, but your post that I quoted made me respond. You said people are more upset at the reaction than the murder. That makes it sound like you are upset with anyone who is speaking out angrily about the looting, etc.

I’m not even sure politics is at the root anymore, beyond the Antifa stuff. I feel like people are going crazy, and my fear is that white reaction to the looting will raise the beast.Problematic in and of itself. As I stated elsewhere, the reason for protest and the victim are overshadowed by the lawlessness. That is partly the fault of the lawless, and partly the media that gives them the attention.

I was wondering yesterday if we could poll these criminals, how many even know the name of the victim and what the crime was. Even more disturbing to me based on various different sources of info (to include posts on this board), it appears we have an undercurrent segment of our society of ALL ethnicities that don't give a second thought to hiding out among actual, peaceful protesters to go out and destroy and steal things they have not earned.

Nothing racist about saying it used to be predominantly blacks that reacted this way and have for half a century. Even though it wasn't and isn't PC to say it and no politician would dare address the truth, we could all SEE who was doing what. ANd yes, this DID start with blacks "doing the usual" when a black gets killed by a white officer. Sad but true, but it's hardly surprising to me anymore.

After this weekend though it appears there a lot more "entitled" criminals out there not worried about their skin color in the crowd as long as they can get a new X-Box:rolleyes:

[Gunny]

Yes, I said MORE upset.
I did not say people should not be upset. And don't see how my words imply that either.
Seems like folks assumed that I embraced riots or condone violence.



all 3 comments assume I'm promoting riots, And/Or AGAIN they show emotional outrage over riots. And ZERO reply to the rest of my statement.
as i said, MORE concern over riots.


one issue I have is I can't figure out why people automatically start taking sides. and waiting for more conflict. Rather trying to come up with or work toward fixing problems
with Murderous POLICE and Violent reactionaries. And BS divide and conquer politicians "activist" and media.

As I said Initially. MOST Black whites Latinos everyone really just want to live in peace.
The question is America so small that antifa, anarchist, Neo-Nazis and fringe violent black groups and the MSM can make us "crazy"?
I hope not.

The sad thing is I feel like many on the right see riots and assume ALL black or even MOST blacks agree with it.
Not even close, most of us do "understand it" but still think it's stupid, counter productive and criminal. AND HAVE SAID SO.
But the knee jerk reaction of the many on the right seems to be that, we should address the riot problem can and safely ignore the police problem... and again imagine that there's was never a problem.If you are wondering why, go back and read some of your posts. Even from yesteryear that someone was kind enough to necro up. You always start off accusing "cops" -- a blanket, one-size-fits-all -- of being the worst of the worst instead of just accusing the one or two or however many bad actor(s) in a given situation of what they have done.

You may not intend that, but your intent means nothing if others are perceiving otherwise. Just my opinion based on observation.

[revelarts]

I think the outrage and calls for something to change should have same intensity. Both should be PEACEFULLY protested.
Like Colin Kapernick did? and many others who knelt over the issue? or those who "blocked the roads" peacefully marching, or
Heck even the using the term "black lives matter" was seen by some as an attack on white people and/or the police.

As i've said before i think rioting is criminal and counter productive but specifically what type of Peaceful protest over this issue would you suggest would be allowable or approved by you Sassy?



Maybe if young, black, stupid, misguided kids saw massive protests over their behavior it would get their attention.
I think it'd get their attention MORE if thuggish corrupt police changed their behavior, as many have done in several cities, then there'd be nothing to react to.




This chart shows more white people are killed by cops. I wonder how many are killed by black cops. And yet the white people don't start riots like this. Why?
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https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

You should tell me. but Ok
Part of it may be because over history most of those killings were clearly justified. and whites had little reason to doubt that if some weren't that the system would properly deal with it. (except in some cities with a an very corrupt police force). Why protest when you've been reasonably assured from childhood that your grievances and complaints will be heard and dealt with decently.

And as far as the stats go they are fine as far as they go
however the raw number of killings is only one aspect to look at.
from your chart
2018 #of whites apx 400 killed. #of blacks apx 200. apx half as many.
Ok what's the number of black and whites in the US?
2018 # of whites in the U.S apx 200 million # of blacks in the U.S. 40 million
I'm no rocket surgeon but the percentage of deaths for the black population is FAR higher.
Why?

[Gunny]

I don't know how this turned into a rev thing, but ...

We're already in a civil war. The writing's on the wall for all to see. You just have to want to see it. It started in 2008 with Obama and his assault on the US Constitution, and the Dems in Congress when in power. Attacking/ignoring/defying the US Constitution is declaring war on the United States of America, Obama annointed himself King and repeatedly ignored the Constitution to carry out his progressive, anti-American agenda.

And not one Democrat (unlike Republican't neocons) said a word. They cheered him on, fomenting the hatred that further polarized the people. The Dems blame Trump, but in fact, this crap started in earnest when GWB was in office and That POS Reid got control of the Senate.

People need to quit thinking in terms of 1860s-style, armies clashing in open fields and pay attention to the left sneaking in the back door while everyone is looking out the front. They're slowly taking over and they don't quit. The right quits and moves on after each skirmish while the left is still waging long-term war.

The President has accomplished a lot. Now consider how much he would have accomplished had he not been under siege, obstructed at every turn by Congress, leftwingnut justices and the MSM.

The war is here and the right is losing. And all this hope of dialogue with the people who are willing to compromise as much as Harry Reid? Pipe dream.

[Abbey Marie]

Problematic in and of itself. As I stated elsewhere, the reason for protest and the victim are overshadowed by the lawlessness. That is partly the fault of the lawless, and partly the media that gives them the attention.

I was wondering yesterday if we could poll these criminals, how many even know the name of the victim and what the crime was. Even more disturbing to me based on various different sources of info (to include posts on this board), it appears we have an undercurrent segment of our society of ALL ethnicities that don't give a second thought to hiding out among actual, peaceful protesters to go out and destroy and steal things they have not earned.

Nothing racist about saying it used to be predominantly blacks that reacted this way and have for half a century. Even though it wasn't and isn't PC to say it and no politician would dare address the truth, we could all SEE who was doing what. ANd yes, this DID start with blacks "doing the usual" when a black gets killed by a white officer. Sad but true, but it's hardly surprising to me anymore.

After this weekend though it appears there a lot more "entitled" criminals out there not worried about their skin color in the crowd as long as they can get a new X-Box:rolleyes:

I can’t be the only one here hearing a ton of PC news reports today. Falling over themselves to show “understanding” for the looting and burning. Where can we be headed as a country when the apologizing liberals actually go this far?

[Gunny]

I can’t be the only one here hearing a ton of PC news reports today. Falling over themselves to show “understanding” for the looting and burning. Where can we be headed as a country when the apologizing liberals actually go this far?They always apologize and show "understanding". It's called playing to the audience, or acting out their script.

There may be some whose feelings are genuine. Unfortunately, they can't wipe away 2 centuries of sensationalism that has led to countless violence and deaths and one all out civil war with "Sorry".

I will tell you straight up: I aon't kissing and making up with left, Dems, nor the MSM. I want them ALL destroyed to last uttered word of their history-proven, failed philosophy.

They may win a "civil war", but history shows it will be only to bring about their own destruction.

[Abbey Marie]

And Rev, regarding your point that we seem more upset at the reaction to the murder, than to the murder itself, consider this:

I’m sure you recall the Bobbit case. Lorena Bobbit’s husband John physically abused her repeatedly. One night, when she’d had enough, she got a knife and cut off his penis. I think the nation collectively was horrified by her “reaction” to his ongoing abuse. People felt the “reaction” didn’t make sense, and was well, too much.

That didn’t mean that anyone condoned or minimized or justified the husband’s abuse. Far from it. But in reacting as she did, Lorena managed to make herself look as bad as her husband, and I’d say, worse. So instead of using the legal system to have him prosecuted for his crimes, or leaving him, and gaining the compassion and sympathy of others, her actions shifted the focus to us looking at her with horror. And this was a crime that hurt only one person, not a video’ed one that affected hundreds of business owners and cities.

It may not be 100% analogous, but I think the point is illustrated.

Finally, I say this on here regularly, but I’ll say it again- you can care about two different things at the same time. There is room in hearts and minds.

[revelarts]

If you are wondering why, go back and read some of your posts. Even from yesteryear that someone was kind enough to necro up. You always start off accusing "cops" -- a blanket, one-size-fits-all -- of being the worst of the worst instead of just accusing the one or two or however many bad actor(s) in a given situation of what they have done.

You may not intend that, but your intent means nothing if others are perceiving otherwise. Just my opinion based on observation.

Ok, so How many times to do i have to say It's NOT all cops before people DON"T take it that way? or believe it.
My observation is that if you criticize any cops or part of a police force ,or any specific cities, or certain aspects of police training or lack thereof its BAD,
then you're tarred with the label that you "HATE cops"

it seems like knee jerk reaction. of some folks.


but ill try to make it clear, I've used this analogy before.

It's like being a Roman Catholic that's lived in a parish were pedo priest have been a problem for generations. it's not as bad as it was but sometime it still happens and the church does not handle it well.
the members still believe in God and want the church to work but some of them ALWAYS bring up the problems and want that CRAP FIXED.
Do they HATE the church? or think that ALL priest ore pedos? NO. Are they leery of NEW priest? yes.
Do they TRUST ALL priest without reservation? no. should they? Do they still call on the priest for weddings, funerals, advise, prayer, etc? yes that's what priest are supposed to do.
Should they NEVER mention the problems? Of course burning the churches down doesn't help and is a crime. (but can you understand why some victims would do it, can you understand why some might even hate the church?) But most of the members still want the church to operate but are not going to pretend that the problems of the past weren't real, or that those of the present will just be solved if they sit back silently and wait for the Bishops to deal with it.

If that doesn't help make my position clear... again.
Well Hey, whatever , I and all black people just hate all cop for no reason and we want to see cities burn down... to fix the problem.:rolleyes:

If that idea is the only way people can understand any deep criticisms of policing in the U.S. then there's not much room for conversation

[Black Diamond]

And Rev, regarding your point that we seem more upset at the reaction to the murder, than to the murder itself, consider this:

I’m sure you recall the Bobbit case. Lorena Bobbit’s husband John physically abused her repeatedly. One night, when she’d had enough, she got a knife and cut off his penis. I think the nation collectively was horrified by her “reaction” to his ongoing abuse. People felt the “reaction” didn’t make sense, and was well, too much.

That didn’t mean that anyone condoned or minimized or justified the husband’s abuse. Far from it. But in reacting as she did, Lorena managed to make herself look as bad as her husband, and I’d say, worse. So instead of using the legal system to have him prosecuted for his crimes, or leaving him, and gaining the compassion and sympathy of others, her actions shifted the focus to us looking at her with horror. And this was a crime that hurt only one person, not a video’ed one that affected hundreds of business owners and cities.

It may not be 100% analogous, but I think the point is illustrated.

Finally, I say this on here regularly, but I’ll say it again- you can care about two different things at the same time. There is room in hearts and minds.

Well said (crossing my legs)

Back then too.. I remember women saying it's ok to do that if the woman is being abused.

[Gunny]

Ok, so How many times to do i have to say It's NOT all cops before people DON"T take it that way? or believe it.
My observation is that if you criticize any cops or part of a police force ,or any specific cities, or certain aspects of police training or lack thereof its BAD,
then you're tarred with the label that you "HATE cops"

it seems like knee jerk reaction. of some folks.


but ill try to make it clear, I've used this analogy before.

It's like being a Roman Catholic that's lived in a parish were pedo priest have been a problem for generations. it's not as bad as it was but sometime it still happens and the church does not handle it well.
the members still believe in God and want the church to work but some of them ALWAYS bring up the problems and want that CRAP FIXED.
Do they HATE the church? or think that ALL priest ore pedos? NO. Are they leery of NEW priest? yes.
Do they TRUST ALL priest without reservation? no. should they? Do they still call on the priest for weddings, funerals, advise, prayer, etc? yes that's what priest are supposed to do.
Should they NEVER mention the problems? Of course burning the churches down doesn't help and is a crime. (but can you understand why some victims would do it, can you understand why some might even hate the church?) But most of the members still want the church to operate but are not going to pretend that the problems of the past weren't real, or that those of the present will just be solved if they sit back silently and wait for the Bishops to deal with it.

If that doesn't help make my position clear... again.
Well Hey, whatever , I and all black people just hate all cop for no reason and we want to see cities burn down... to fix the problem.:rolleyes:

If that idea is the only way people can understand any deep criticisms of policing in the U.S. then there's not much room for conversationYou are taking a topic that has done EXACTLY what Abbey posted above: you're stuck on the initial wrongdoing while the rest of the World has moved on to the more horrific reaction to it. You also tend to paint with a broad brush that would lead most readers to believe that nothing matters except the initial wrongdoing by the cop.

Straight up: Keeping the agreements in the family :), I have to agree with Russ's assessment that there no comprehending what was going through that cop's head but air to hold a handcuffed and not resisting suspect down with his knee on his neck which among other things as I previously explained is not even the proper way to pin a prisoner with your knee. He would have to be unhandcuffed and the cop fighting off another suspect/assailant to even come close to justifying that.

What you want is a perfect World and it's not there. Lee Harvey Oswald and Charles Whitman were both Marines. So is it the Marine Corps' fault one flipped out and the other was so delusional he probably didn't really know his own name? It's going to happen. The Marine Corps didn't teach them to be criminals.

The cop is charged with second degree murder and the others are under investigation. Same as any other murder case in the courts in the US.

Making it a black thing is stupid. The stupidest cops I've run into were white and Hispanic. I didn't see skin color. I saw badges and guns on the wrong people. When you have a VIABLE solution, I'm all ears.

Solution or no, people capitalizing on alleged racism to create chaos sound a LOT like the left to me. Fix that too while you're at it :)

[icansayit]

Ok, so How many times to do i have to say It's NOT all cops before people DON"T take it that way? or believe it.
My observation is that if you criticize any cops or part of a police force ,or any specific cities, or certain aspects of police training or lack thereof its BAD,
then you're tarred with the label that you "HATE cops"

it seems like knee jerk reaction. of some folks.


but ill try to make it clear, I've used this analogy before.

It's like being a Roman Catholic that's lived in a parish were pedo priest have been a problem for generations. it's not as bad as it was but sometime it still happens and the church does not handle it well.
the members still believe in God and want the church to work but some of them ALWAYS bring up the problems and want that CRAP FIXED.
Do they HATE the church? or think that ALL priest ore pedos? NO. Are they leery of NEW priest? yes.
Do they TRUST ALL priest without reservation? no. should they? Do they still call on the priest for weddings, funerals, advise, prayer, etc? yes that's what priest are supposed to do.
Should they NEVER mention the problems? Of course burning the churches down doesn't help and is a crime. (but can you understand why some victims would do it, can you understand why some might even hate the church?) But most of the members still want the church to operate but are not going to pretend that the problems of the past weren't real, or that those of the present will just be solved if they sit back silently and wait for the Bishops to deal with it.

If that doesn't help make my position clear... again.
Well Hey, whatever , I and all black people just hate all cop for no reason and we want to see cities burn down... to fix the problem.:rolleyes:

If that idea is the only way people can understand any deep criticisms of policing in the U.S. then there's not much room for conversation
How many cities have had riots, burnings, lootings after a White person/cop has been murdered by someone...no matter what the skin color?
If the opposite happens (and we know it does). Where is all of the SCREAMING and DEMANDS for reparations to the people and families of the White victims?

If you want the shoe to fit...it has to fit both feet. Does it not?

HATRED is a Taught and Learned aspect of life for all humans.

[Abbey Marie]

And the media is fanning the flames:



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[jimnyc]

Trump needs to take action. He should have already. Here's the problem - Trump is acting politically... The right thing to do, regarding the violent people and the destruction - is get enough people out there to overpower these folks and subdue them. Many are standing back mostly and allowing for much of this to take place. Not enough police or guard out there. No direct orders of what to do, or so it seems. People are getting to the point that some are fighting back with these authorities. The destruction and looting has grown but the response to stopping them doesn't seem to be happening much.

Then on the other hand, if he does the right thing and overpowers and puts a stop to things, likely there will be deaths as a result. Destruction as it happens. Businesses and buildings and much more may be saved - and I believe it will hurt him politically. Between the democrats and MSM and Soros types, if he should get too tough on this, they will hold him directly responsible for anything negative that takes place. And many of them already blaming him for things. So I think he gets a shitload of heat if he leaves this to governors and it continues too long. He also gets a shitload of heat if he takes tough action and negativity comes from it.

Much different than covid-19? They blame him for actions, and in-actions, and everything in between. They are literally blaming him for everything and anything and any decision. The MSM is the worst I have ever seen them. Between the internet and TV, that's all that people hear and see non-stop.

So since they will do what they do regardless, Trump should solely be thinking about doing the right thing by America and the right thing by business owners and innocent people. Put a STOP to the madness ASAP.

BUT - the peaceful protesters should be allowed to do just that. But others are ruining it for them. So it's really impossible to allow the crowds and separate the peaceful and non-peaceful, IMO. They should be allowed though and that should be acknowledged. How to allow for it in these major cities and stop all the violence at the same time? I don't have that answer nor do I think it has a chance right now.

"No justice, no peace" is still a major chant and demand. And I believe it should apply now to an extent - but no one is acknowledging just yet the firing of the officers and the unheard of so quick murder charges against the officer. I think many should let this take its course. I do think he will be found guilty and spend years in prison. THAT is justice. But with many of this over a few short years, and I think the feeling is that justice for just one person isn't enough, and that it's long past due & that changes need to be made as well. I can agree with all of that, and do. And everyone I know that is pissed at this, is also pissed at the violence and destruction. I don't even think those folks give a shit about George Floyd or police violence. They are taking advantage and come to destroy and steal. I've seen white people, black people, spanish people....

Answer won't happen overnight. The destruction and stealing can hopefully be stopped. But ultimately folks must be allowed to express themselves peacefully. Good luck accomplishing that.

--

Also will be unpopular, but just painting the appropriate picture. The police have killed a lot of people over the years, of all races. Many are unwarranted IMO. And I'm sure the overwhelming majority are good shootings. But the percentage of black folks shot, and considering their population as well, seems more blacks have a better chance of getting shot, a much better chance in fact. One can argue that those folks simply committed such and such a crime and the numbers are what they are. And some could argue that some are unnecessary and the police are a little more trigger sensitive when it comes to black folks. That debate can go on for a long time, so I'm only touching on the subject and numbers, not creating a new debate within another.

--

Another aside on all of this ---- with the virus, the left took both sides. First Trump was racist and a xenophobe and others need to get back out there and even go to Chinese areas and such. Then in the other breath, they turn around and claim Trump didn't do this and didn't do that quick enough. They are going to blame him and run with it no matter what. And now they are thrilled with this, another opportunity to run 24x7 and blame Trump for everything. They may not like violence and destruction, but they do if it would help remove Trump from office. And make no doubt about it, if he were to have folks go in and end this overnight - they would find fault with the 'dictator' and anyone hurt fighting back would be his fault somehow. 2 horrible events - capitalized on by the left and MSM, and even agitated by them.

[Black Diamond]

This keeps up, "law and order" candidate will win in 2020. Biden ain't that. So it be behoove trump to be strong and act.
Also I could see hillary coming out of her hole looking tough, reinventing her image, saying only she can clean up this mess.

[Gunny]

All that's REALLY needed is for the MSM to get another dead horse to beat. Everyone will move on, nothing will change, and it will happen again next time a black gets killed.

Used to know this guy when I first started in the electrical trade who told me he hoped he got into an accident with a company truck (meaning someone else's company truck). Then he could sue and would be set. There ARE people like that out there.

I wonder how many of these "looters" just sit around praying for an excuse?

In the meantime, this just plays into the AOC-types' hands. Anarchy. The virus lockdown and government handouts. They couldn't dream this shit up any better.

[jimnyc]

And the media is fanning the flames:



Was that legit? Did the NY Post really do that? How many times they gonna get busted lying?

[Black Diamond]

Was that legit? Did the NY Post really do that? How many times they gonna get busted lying?

Until they are stopped.

[Gunny]

Was that legit? Did the NY Post really do that? How many times they gonna get busted lying?I used to at least check up on what the MSM was doing just so I could see how bad they had gotten. It's to the point that I can't even listen to them for 5 minutes without wanting to kick someone's ass.

If there was a meteor headed for Earth and the MSM reported it I'd have to see it out my window before I believed it.

[Abbey Marie]

Was that legit? Did the NY Post really do that? How many times they gonna get busted lying?

I can’t say one way or the other. Sorry.

[Abbey Marie]

Trump needs to take action. He should have already. Here's the problem - Trump is acting politically... The right thing to do, regarding the violent people and the destruction - is get enough people out there to overpower these folks and subdue them. Many are standing back mostly and allowing for much of this to take place. Not enough police or guard out there. No direct orders of what to do, or so it seems. People are getting to the point that some are fighting back with these authorities. The destruction and looting has grown but the response to stopping them doesn't seem to be happening much.

Then on the other hand, if he does the right thing and overpowers and puts a stop to things, likely there will be deaths as a result. Destruction as it happens. Businesses and buildings and much more may be saved - and I believe it will hurt him politically. Between the democrats and MSM and Soros types, if he should get too tough on this, they will hold him directly responsible for anything negative that takes place. And many of them already blaming him for things. So I think he gets a shitload of heat if he leaves this to governors and it continues too long. He also gets a shitload of heat if he takes tough action and negativity comes from it.

Much different than covid-19? They blame him for actions, and in-actions, and everything in between. They are literally blaming him for everything and anything and any decision. The MSM is the worst I have ever seen them. Between the internet and TV, that's all that people hear and see non-stop.

So since they will do what they do regardless, Trump should solely be thinking about doing the right thing by America and the right thing by business owners and innocent people. Put a STOP to the madness ASAP.

BUT - the peaceful protesters should be allowed to do just that. But others are ruining it for them. So it's really impossible to allow the crowds and separate the peaceful and non-peaceful, IMO. They should be allowed though and that should be acknowledged. How to allow for it in these major cities and stop all the violence at the same time? I don't have that answer nor do I think it has a chance right now.

"No justice, no peace" is still a major chant and demand. And I believe it should apply now to an extent - but no one is acknowledging just yet the firing of the officers and the unheard of so quick murder charges against the officer. I think many should let this take its course. I do think he will be found guilty and spend years in prison. THAT is justice. But with many of this over a few short years, and I think the feeling is that justice for just one person isn't enough, and that it's long past due & that changes need to be made as well. I can agree with all of that, and do. And everyone I know that is pissed at this, is also pissed at the violence and destruction. I don't even think those folks give a shit about George Floyd or police violence. They are taking advantage and come to destroy and steal. I've seen white people, black people, spanish people....

Answer won't happen overnight. The destruction and stealing can hopefully be stopped. But ultimately folks must be allowed to express themselves peacefully. Good luck accomplishing that.

--

Also will be unpopular, but just painting the appropriate picture. The police have killed a lot of people over the years, of all races. Many are unwarranted IMO. And I'm sure the overwhelming majority are good shootings. But the percentage of black folks shot, and considering their population as well, seems more blacks have a better chance of getting shot, a much better chance in fact. One can argue that those folks simply committed such and such a crime and the numbers are what they are. And some could argue that some are unnecessary and the police are a little more trigger sensitive when it comes to black folks. That debate can go on for a long time, so I'm only touching on the subject and numbers, not creating a new debate within another.

--

Another aside on all of this ---- with the virus, the left took both sides. First Trump was racist and a xenophobe and others need to get back out there and even go to Chinese areas and such. Then in the other breath, they turn around and claim Trump didn't do this and didn't do that quick enough. They are going to blame him and run with it no matter what. And now they are thrilled with this, another opportunity to run 24x7 and blame Trump for everything. They may not like violence and destruction, but they do if it would help remove Trump from office. And make no doubt about it, if he were to have folks go in and end this overnight - they would find fault with the 'dictator' and anyone hurt fighting back would be his fault somehow. 2 horrible events - capitalized on by the left and MSM, and even agitated by them.

You know the media would act just as they did to his response to COVID. Trump will be accused of placing a higher value on the economy/business than on life.
:rolleyes:

[Black Diamond]

You know the media would act just as they did to his response to COVID. Trump will be accused of placing a higher value on the economy/business than on life.
:rolleyes:

They will. But at the same time peoples patience is running thin with this rioting and looting. Citizens will not necessarily think of this the same way the media does

[Abbey Marie]

My friend and hairdresser owns a very small salon on the second floor of a building that houses a lot of businesses in Wilmington, DE. The first floor businesses, such as a Walgreens, were attacked and looted Saturday. She sent me this pic of the sign on the door of a business a couple of doors down from hers.

She asked me rhetorically what sign she could put on her door. “Middle-aged single Mom trying to make a living”?
We had a good sardonic laugh at that one.

She could go under if they destroy her salon. After the virus, especially, she’s close to giving up.


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[Kathianne]

They will. But at the same time peoples patience is running thin with this rioting and looting. Citizens will not necessarily think of this the same way the media does

I'm trending thinking this way too. Covid really dealt a blow to the economy, though it was looking somewhat positive there for a week or so.

Now these riots. Bottom line, even my son the 'liberal' is like, "When I saw the videos I felt rage. I've friends that have told of being pulled over many times for bogus reasons and one that was pulled over because he 'resembled' someone the police were looking for. Luckily for all, they were all raised middle/upper class and really know how to 'Yes, sir. Anything else, sir?'

Then I look at the rioting, arson, looting and see people of all races that are watching their dreams be crushed. I feel rage."

Biden said he 'identifies' with the protesters. He didn't differentiate which 'protesters.' Even those that are 'woke' are feeling that the mayhem is not doing anyone any good.

[Kathianne]

My friend and hairdresser owns a very small salon on the second floor of a building that houses a lot of businesses in Wilmington, DE. The first floor businesses, such as a Walgreens, were attacked and looted Saturday. She sent me this pic of the sign on the door of the business a couple of doors down From hers:

She asked me rhetorically what sign she could put on her door. “Middle-aged single Mom trying to make a living”?
We had a good sardonic laugh at that one.

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It's all so wrong.

Now they are talking 'reparations' again. No!

[Gunny]

They will. But at the same time peoples patience is running thin with this rioting and looting. Citizens will not necessarily think of this the same way the media doesThere is an over-abundance of armed volunteers here offering to "store sit" downtown. I think we were all in shock it actually happened, even as minimal as it was compared to other cities.

I think the shock has worn off. I wouldn't come around here with bad intent right about now.

[SassyLady]

There is an over-abundance of armed volunteers here offering to "store sit" downtown. I think we were all in shock it actually happened, even as minimal as it was compared to other cities.

I think the shock has worn off. I wouldn't come around here with bad intent right about now.

Same thing in Tucson. Peaceful protest early in day. Most went home and then after dark destruction in downtown started. Windows broken, no stores burned.....just a dumpster fire and police officer took rock to nose.

We don't have a large black population (5%) but lots of college kids.

[Evmetro]

I don't know how this turned into a rev thing, but ...

We're already in a civil war. The writing's on the wall for all to see. You just have to want to see it. It started in 2008 with Obama and his assault on the US Constitution, and the Dems in Congress when in power. Attacking/ignoring/defying the US Constitution is declaring war on the United States of America, Obama annointed himself King and repeatedly ignored the Constitution to carry out his progressive, anti-American agenda.

And not one Democrat (unlike Republican't neocons) said a word. They cheered him on, fomenting the hatred that further polarized the people. The Dems blame Trump, but in fact, this crap started in earnest when GWB was in office and That POS Reid got control of the Senate.

People need to quit thinking in terms of 1860s-style, armies clashing in open fields and pay attention to the left sneaking in the back door while everyone is looking out the front. They're slowly taking over and they don't quit. The right quits and moves on after each skirmish while the left is still waging long-term war.

The President has accomplished a lot. Now consider how much he would have accomplished had he not been under siege, obstructed at every turn by Congress, leftwingnut justices and the MSM.

The war is here and the right is losing. And all this hope of dialogue with the people who are willing to compromise as much as Harry Reid? Pipe dream.

This is probably the best post I have seen on this site. Every single line. You packed a whole lots truth into a single post. I've struggled to articulate how the right quits and moves on while the left marches on with their fight against us, but you nailed it and everything else in your post. Bravo.

[Abbey Marie]

Wow, this is spot on! Way to plow through political bullshit!

Considering you know neither us nor Rev, that’s a groundless and rather insulting post.

[Gunny]

This is probably the best post I have seen on this site. Every single line. You packed a whole lots truth into a single post. I've struggled to articulate how the right quits and moves on while the left marches on with their fight against us, but you nailed it and everything else in your post. Bravo.The average American thinks in terms of each and every issue needs to be decided NOW, and if force is used, only enemy combatants related to that issue get killed. Americans have the attention span of a gnat.

EXCEPT the progressive left. The progressive left is using the same strategy the Muslims and Chinese use. They are relentless int their attack, wearing down the right and stealing any and everything they can gain without much notice or interference. They think in terms of ultimate victory, regardless cost and or how many lifetimes it takes.

The Muslims have been doing it for centuries. They're finally winning because they out-waited everyone. When they were kept contained at gunpoint when needed, they didn't quit. They just kept planning. When we quit being willing to contain them or kill them, they started right back up on their World conquest they began in the 7th century.

The Chinese are no different. Doesn't matter how long it takes to them. Only that they win. Ho Chi Minh is a perfect example of executing this philosophy. Little 3rd World shithole kicked the World's ass because the World quit and the N Vietnamese did not.

The Dems are using the EXACT SAME strategy and tactics. They're not going away and they can't be ignored, and they aren't accepting live and let live. They want it ALL and mean to have it and consider anything they do toward that effort as justified. The only people morally outraged by ANY of this shit is the right. The left doesn't care. They use shame as a weapon and those that can be shamed succumb.

So there isn't going to be any "real" war (armed conflict between two sides) unless or until the left can assure itself a victory, and is in control of the government so it can legally justify itself and outlaw anyone against it. By that time it will be too late for the rest of us. If it sounds like the US Civil War it's because it is still the same war. It didn't end at Appomattox. It just changed playing fields.

All those who think Diplomacy is going to stop it refuse to accept the fact they are dealing with an enemy that will tell you anything you want to hear while on its way to nothing short of ultimate victory.

[icansayit]

It began like this:https://66.media.tumblr.com/76ea05f58ff90e6b519aee8fc760e40a/tumblr_pc4zgrz6Cj1rjnp0ro1_400.jpg


As ordered this way:https://webworks.typepad.com/.a/6a00d834632be569e201b7c9176f5d970b-600wi

https://i.imgur.com/ceAvtdm.jpg

[That_D_Girl]

If there was a Civil War, what would the sides be? Conservatives vs Liberals? Minorities vs Whites? Rap music fans vs. rock music fans?
I hope people learned enough from the first Civil War to avoid another one?

[NightTrain]

If there was a Civil War, what would the sides be? Conservatives vs Liberals? Minorities vs Whites? Rap music fans vs. rock music fans?
I hope people learned enough from the first Civil War to avoid another one?


Leftists vs. the rest of America. And we've lurched strongly in that direction here in the last week.

[That_D_Girl]

Where do those who don't lean left or right fit in?

[Kathianne]

Where do those who don't lean left or right fit in?

Not sure. They used to be influencers to pull the ends towards center. It's not working any longer, both sides are wedded to the extremes.

[That_D_Girl]

Not sure. They used to be influencers to pull the ends towards center. It's not working any longer, both sides are wedded to the extremes.
That is certainly true of previous generations. It is difficult to change your thought process that far in.
The internet generation has grown up processing information from both sides. The inquisitive are able to learn. The disinterested become sidetracked.

[Kathianne]

That is certainly true of previous generations. It is difficult to change your thought process that far in.
The internet generation has grown up processing information from both sides. The inquisitive are able to learn. The disinterested become sidetracked.
Sure, at 18 or 19 years old, (purportedly) you are in a position to proclaim it so. :rolleyes:

[SassyLady]

That is certainly true of previous generations. It is difficult to change your thought process that far in.
The internet generation has grown up processing information from both sides. The inquisitive are able to learn. The disinterested become sidetracked.

I don't believe this is so. Most social media platforms and MSM are left leaning and the internet generation is too lazy to do extensive research to find the truth.

[Kathianne]

I don't believe this is so. Most social media platforms and MSM are left leaning and the internet generation is too lazy to do extensive research to find the truth.
Especially those that have already been indoctrinated by educators. Truth is, many parents don't even talk to their kids, much less influence them.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

It began like this:https://66.media.tumblr.com/76ea05f58ff90e6b519aee8fc760e40a/tumblr_pc4zgrz6Cj1rjnp0ro1_400.jpg


As ordered this way:https://webworks.typepad.com/.a/6a00d834632be569e201b7c9176f5d970b-600wi

https://i.imgur.com/ceAvtdm.jpg

Bravo!!
Your post is dead on target, as the Dem party are faithful followers of Alinsky. Hillary Clinton a true devotee and her corrupt asshole husband was as well. The obamas too.
All are certified traitors, imho.
The invisible war has been ongoing since a few years after the ending of WW2.
Sad but true- since your post highlights far too much truth thus it will be rejected by many.
As we all know, some people just love to stay blinded and that way they do not have to worry or take action.---Tyr

[Gunny]

All the gun-totin' people on the right sitting around waiting on an army to show up to join, and one to show up to oppose, are going to STILL be sitting and watching and waiting when they come to the realization they have been disenfranchised, LEGALLY, and their "side" that never existed lost and the President's name is AOC. Because that's all people on the right do. Sit, watch, wait and run their mouths, complaining about what they have lost when they sat silent while it was taken right in front of them.

If I'm not already "gone" by then, I'll be leaving. I'm not afraid of the World and there are several places I liked better than I do here anyway.

[The_D_Girl]

Especially those that have already been indoctrinated by educators. Truth is, many parents don't even talk to their kids, much less influence them.

I don't recall being "indoctrinated" in high school. Teachers are restricted by the curriculum established by the school boards and states. I agree that many parents don't talk to their kids. Positive, involved parents encourage their kids to explore their own options. Other parents are less involved. Or perhaps less interested. Their daughters are subject to internet "influencers" who tell them how to dress and acts. Their sons drop out of the real world and spend their time playing video games.

[Kathianne]

I don't recall being "indoctrinated" in high school. Teachers are restricted by the curriculum established by the school boards and states. I agree that many parents don't talk to their kids. Positive, involved parents encourage their kids to explore their own options. Other parents are less involved. Or perhaps less interested. Their daughters are subject to internet "influencers" who tell them how to dress and acts. Their sons drop out of the real world and spend their time playing video games.
You sound more like my mom, who would have been 98, than I do.

If you don't think many teachers are indoctrinating, you haven't been paying attention or since you agree, you haven't noticed.

[KarlMarx]

I am going to sound like a racist, but there are worse things than being racist.... bending over backwards for the bums that are rioting and looting is one

1. Many blacks and their sympathizers have a pathological sense of entitlement. In their minds, we owe them. No we don’t. This is a free country, the opportunities are out there. Get a job instead of joining a gang. Get an education and make something of yourself

2. If George Floyd were white or Asian and the police did the same thing to him and someone videotaped it... what would have happened? Nothing.... because you see Black Lives Matter and only Black Lives Matter

3. Fighting racism does not give you license to destroy property, hurt and kill people, and verbally abuse the police. I’d like to see the reaction of these people if the KKK came to their neighborhoods and burnt down the places where they live or hurt the ones they love.

4. You can be black and racist, in fact, there are likely more black racists than white ones.

5. People who complain and make excuses for themselves are rarely good at anything else. Black leadership falls neatly under this category of people. Black leadership has failed abysmally and instead of taking responsibility like true leaders would, they find scapegoats in White America and Republicans (right President Obama?)

6. Blacks kill more blacks than whites, blacks commit most of the murders in this country says the FBI. That’s not white folks pulling the trigger everyone. White America should stop accepting responsibility for black people’s short comings.

7. When most people get mad, they vote, or write their Congressmen, or run for office. When many black people get mad they riot. Then they wonder why white people are afraid of them and mistrust them. That’s not racism, that’s the result of their actions.

In short I am beyond disgusted with the actions of a bunch of sanctimonious hoodlums who act like bunch of spoiled 2year olds having a temper tantrum rather than like adults

[The_D_Girl]

You sound more like my mom, who would have been 98, than I do.

If you don't think many teachers are indoctrinating, you haven't been paying attention or since you agree, you haven't noticed.

Homeschooling is indoctrinating. Religious education is indoctrinating. Public schools have a curriculum that teachers follow. If you are learning history, you learn what the local and state boards have approved. Same with English or Math. What I was taught and how it was taught was obviously different in California than what cousin learned in Minnesota. I am sure that what is taught is different than than how/what was taught in the 60s.

[Kathianne]

Homeschooling is indoctrinating. Religious education is indoctrinating. Public schools have a curriculum that teachers follow. If you are learning history, you learn what the local and state boards have approved. Same with English or Math. What I was taught and how it was taught was obviously different in California than what cousin learned in Minnesota. I am sure that what is taught is different than than how/what was taught in the 60s.

Point to me. You are closed minded and there's nothing left to 'discuss.' Sorry, but your prejudices are firm.

[Gunny]

Homeschooling is indoctrinating. Religious education is indoctrinating. Public schools have a curriculum that teachers follow. If you are learning history, you learn what the local and state boards have approved. Same with English or Math. What I was taught and how it was taught was obviously different in California than what cousin learned in Minnesota. I am sure that what is taught is different than than how/what was taught in the 60s.We weren't taught that wrong was right in the 60s. We weren't taught politics. We were taught basics. We were also taught to seek out knowledge on our own rather than rely on school books.

California had THE worst schools I ever had the misfortune to attend. They were the worst schools my daughters attended. Some things don't change.

[jimnyc]

Homeschooling is indoctrinating. Religious education is indoctrinating. Public schools have a curriculum that teachers follow. If you are learning history, you learn what the local and state boards have approved. Same with English or Math. What I was taught and how it was taught was obviously different in California than what cousin learned in Minnesota. I am sure that what is taught is different than than how/what was taught in the 60s.

And teachers, especially in leftist California, will still teach THEIR version of history quite often. Many even have counselors that are supposed to help the children, but instead show off their stupidity and shove their own ideals down the kids throats. Which is why so many, and those just going into college, are entitled little shitheads that think they can go onto someone else's property and make demands. In fact, shy of a few people maybe, the entire state of Cali is filled with all kinds of liberal nitwits, never mind schools.

Did you take any drama or acting classes by chance? Or have you taken anything beyond HS level history? Where do you get all of your history from, school?

[Gunny]

And teachers, especially in leftist California, will still teach THEIR version of history quite often. Many even have counselors that are supposed to help the children, but instead show off their stupidity and shove their own ideals down the kids throats. Which is why so many, and those just going into college, are entitled little shitheads that think they can go onto someone else's property and make demands. In fact, shy of a few people maybe, the entire state of Cali is filled with all kinds of liberal nitwits, never mind schools.

Did you take any drama or acting classes by chance? Or have you taken anything beyond HS level history? Where do you get all of your history from, school?:)

[Kathianne]

And teachers, especially in leftist California, will still teach THEIR version of history quite often. Many even have counselors that are supposed to help the children, but instead show off their stupidity and shove their own ideals down the kids throats. Which is why so many, and those just going into college, are entitled little shitheads that think they can go onto someone else's property and make demands. In fact, shy of a few people maybe, the entire state of Cali is filled with all kinds of liberal nitwits, never mind schools.

Did you take any drama or acting classes by chance? Or have you taken anything beyond HS level history? Where do you get all of your history from, school?
It's not just in history. There are math 'problems' that are based on both left and right ideologies, leading the children into group think.

Same in science. There's 'right' and 'left'.

Truth is there is far more left indoctrination and those with right leanings, are fired when found. They should be, then again, so should those indoctrinating from the left.

[Gunny]

It's not just in history. There are math 'problems' that are based on both left and right ideologies, leading the children into group think.

Same in science. There's 'right' and 'left'.

Truth is there is far more left indoctrination and those with right leanings, are fired when found. They should be, then again, so should those indoctrinating from the left.My daughter can't say a word because most of the other teachers are leftwingnuts. She just doesn't discuss politics. She's already told me that if some found out she was conservative she'd have to find a new job.

[icansayit]

My daughter can't say a word because most of the other teachers are leftwingnuts. She just doesn't discuss politics. She's already told me that if some found out she was conservative she'd have to find a new job.


Since we moved into our apartment (for seniors only), and many of them are former, or retired military. We have had to stay quiet most all of the time since I'd guess...90% of the people who live here (165 Apartments with Security) are as Liberal as anyone could get. I have never heard a good word spoken about Trump, or Pence. So we have to just tell those who think we are Political..."We don't want to talk about Religion or Politics...since we stopped doing that before we left our house."

Don't know whether they Buy It...but then. I don't care. Well...that's not entirely true...I care, but not about the same crap they spew, and oddly enough. They KNOW they are right.???

[The_D_Girl]

And teachers, especially in leftist California, will still teach THEIR version of history quite often. Many even have counselors that are supposed to help the children, but instead show off their stupidity and shove their own ideals down the kids throats. Which is why so many, and those just going into college, are entitled little shitheads that think they can go onto someone else's property and make demands. In fact, shy of a few people maybe, the entire state of Cali is filled with all kinds of liberal nitwits, never mind schools. Did you take any drama or acting classes by chance? Or have you taken anything beyond HS level history? Where do you get all of your history from, school? No one has a different "version" of history. History is what happened. History is events. I read about history quite a lot. The past is quite fascinating. I didn't realize that there were alternate interpretations of history. What exactly constitutes the "right wing" version of history?

[Black Diamond]

My daughter can't say a word because most of the other teachers are leftwingnuts. She just doesn't discuss politics. She's already told me that if some found out she was conservative she'd have to find a new job.

Yeah see absolute horseshit.

[The_D_Girl]

Since we moved into our apartment (for seniors only), and many of them are former, or retired military. We have had to stay quiet most all of the time since I'd guess...90% of the people who live here (165 Apartments with Security) are as Liberal as anyone could get. I have never heard a good word spoken about Trump, or Pence. So we have to just tell those who think we are Political..."We don't want to talk about Religion or Politics...since we stopped doing that before we left our house." Don't know whether they Buy It...but then. I don't care. Well...that's not entirely true...I care, but not about the same crap they spew, and oddly enough. They KNOW they are right.??? You are entitled to your viewpoint as much as anyone else. Politics is very divisive. The problem comes when you assume that only your opinion is valid and everything else is "crap." If you believe President Trump is a wonderful person doing a great job, you are entitled to your opinion. Just as much as someone who believes President Trump is a lying piece of crap. Or you can avoid it altogether and save yourself some grief.

[KarlMarx]

https://youtu.be/bpA3Sf6Ffu4

Thomas Sowell, leading economist, and black .... dismantles a lot of the nonsense we are hearing today

[KarlMarx]

It is interesting to note that Andrew Ngo, who was assaulted by ANTIFA, is a Vietnamese immigrant whose family was imprisoned by the Viet Cong.

I worked with someone who came from similar circumstances. She was an IT professional like me.

Now if institutionalized racism is endemic in America could someone tell me how two non-white immigrant was able to land jobs as professionals?

[jimnyc]

No one has a different "version" of history. History is what happened. History is events. I read about history quite a lot. The past is quite fascinating. I didn't realize that there were alternate interpretations of history. What exactly constitutes the "right wing" version of history?

For example, I could give you a link to a former member here, she was literally as dumb as a box of rocks. She would literally change historical events. Just like CNN did a few days ago changing history outright as they spoke to Americans. So yes, there is reality, real history, and then what leftists imagine, or they eliminate things they don't like. And coincidentally, this former member was associated with the school system no less. She was an admitted far left teaching type of person, an admitted liar & outright idiot, if you will. That's what is in some schools.

The left lies. Sure, all people do, but the left so so so much more than others. They are hypocrites. Every last one of them. And more than willing to lie and omit things in the MSM, just as they would lie & omit and pass along their stupidity within schools.

[icansayit]

You are entitled to your viewpoint as much as anyone else. Politics is very divisive. The problem comes when you assume that only your opinion is valid and everything else is "crap." If you believe President Trump is a wonderful person doing a great job, you are entitled to your opinion. Just as much as someone who believes President Trump is a lying piece of crap. Or you can avoid it altogether and save yourself some grief.



As I've told others here on DP. I avoid NEGATIVE people, idea's, and those who intentionally tell me how I should live my life...according their standards. That's where the problem is, and comes from. Pure Ignorance of being uninformed by design...such as laziness, arrogance, selfishness, and never fully investigating before making wild, unfounded, often totally false statements they believe are facts. http://icansayit.com/images/onlytruth.png

We all are confronted by others who always insist...without proof, they are always right. That's just a natural human trait. But those who remain NEGATIVE, and share their NEGATIVITY should be AVOIDED. There's an old saying: "If you hang around with pigs. You eventually come up smelling like pigs." The same goes for Negative people. "If you are around Negative people all the time...GUESS WHAT YOU BECOME unless you part ways?"

[SassyLady]

No one has a different "version" of history. History is what happened. History is events. I read about history quite a lot. The past is quite fascinating. I didn't realize that there were alternate interpretations of history. What exactly constitutes the "right wing" version of history?

If you truly want to know, go get a history book from the 60s or 70s and you'll see the difference. Ask Kath about the 1619 Project. Liberal newspaper tries to rewrite history.


So wrong in so many ways” is how Gordon Wood, the Pulitzer Prize-winning historian of the American Revolution, characterized (https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/11/28/wood-n28.html?mod=article_inline) the New York Times (https://quotes.wsj.com/NYT)’s “1619 Project.” James McPherson, dean of Civil War historians and another Pulitzer winner, said (https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/11/14/mcph-n14.html?mod=article_inline) the Times presented an “unbalanced, one-sided account” that “left most of the history out.” Even more surprising than the criticism from these generally liberal historians was where the interviews appeared: on the World Socialist Web Site, run by the Trotskyist Socialist Equality Party.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-1619-project-gets-schooled-11576540494

D ... you haven't lived long enough to know if what you're being taught is biased because you have no life history to compare to. We remember history because we were there and to see it rewritten in school books these days is heart breaking.

Oh, another example of rewriting history ..... Holocaust deniers.

[SassyLady]

https://youtu.be/bpA3Sf6Ffu4

Thomas Sowell, leading economist, and black .... dismantles a lot of the nonsense we are hearing today

Love TS!

[icansayit]

WIKIPEDIA...is probably one of the easiest, and most serious threats to our History. Since it came online (On January 15, 2001, Wikipedia was launched as a feature of Nupedia.com, but, following objections from the advisory board, it was relaunched as an independent Web site a few days later.)
It has been abused by millions who were presented the Unlimited Opportunity to REWRITE HISTORY as they believe it SHOULD HAVE BEEN.

That is Dangerous. And look at the results we are all seeing today. Either they REWRITE History, or the TEAR DOWN EVERYTHING that reminds them, insults them, offends them, or makes them feel like the VICTIMS somebody told them they are. Any questions?

[Evmetro]

No one has a different "version" of history. History is what happened. History is events. I read about history quite a lot. The past is quite fascinating. I didn't realize that there were alternate interpretations of history. What exactly constitutes the "right wing" version of history?

Sassy's post was great. A great history book that has not been rewritten by lefies is "A Patriot's History of the United States" by Larry Schweikart. History gets deleted and rewritten even more often than historical monuments are destroyed, it is the nature of politics.

[Evmetro]

If you truly want to know, go get a history book from the 60s or 70s and you'll see the difference. Ask Kath about the 1619 Project. Liberal newspaper tries to rewrite history.



https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-1619-project-gets-schooled-11576540494

D ... you haven't lived long enough to know if what you're being taught is biased because you have no life history to compare to. We remember history because we were there and to see it rewritten in school books these days is heart breaking.

Oh, another example of rewriting history ..... Holocaust deniers.

I have collected a few antique encyclopedias over the years, and it is fascinating to compare what's in them to today. It is also fun to play with the revision search tool on wikipedia's site. Every time something happens in the news about a certain topic, there are a lot of revisions done to the wiki article on that topic. I often use this as a research tool when I am vetting news and propaganda, since it allows me to put the current article and whatever previous version of the article I select, side by side.

[Gunny]

You are entitled to your viewpoint as much as anyone else. Politics is very divisive. The problem comes when you assume that only your opinion is valid and everything else is "crap." If you believe President Trump is a wonderful person doing a great job, you are entitled to your opinion. Just as much as someone who believes President Trump is a lying piece of crap. Or you can avoid it altogether and save yourself some grief.OR ... you could look at both sides of the argument. Look at the actual facts (not you imaginary ones), apply some common sense and logic and you would see that Trump has his strengths and weaknesses like everyone else.

One thing no one can argue with about Trump: I doubt anyone since Ronald Reagan could have withstood the absolute bullying bullshit from the left and MSM he has, and he's STILL standing. Had Obama come under fire of this intensity he'd have been impeached and more than likely be in prison.

If you would like to spare yourself some grief, quit commenting on it. Or stand and take the grief.

[The_D_Girl]

For example, I could give you a link to a former member here, she was literally as dumb as a box of rocks. She would literally change historical events. Just like CNN did a few days ago changing history outright as they spoke to Americans. So yes, there is reality, real history, and then what leftists imagine, or they eliminate things they don't like. And coincidentally, this former member was associated with the school system no less. She was an admitted far left teaching type of person, an admitted liar & outright idiot, if you will. That's what is in some schools. The left lies. Sure, all people do, but the left so so so much more than others. They are hypocrites. Every last one of them. And more than willing to lie and omit things in the MSM, just as they would lie & omit and pass along their stupidity within schools. If you are referring to my mom, she is a counselor, not a teacher. My maternal grandmother was a teacher. Imparting subversive ideas to first graders. I often wonder if teachers are in the middle and others are attempting to change history to conform with their right wing ideology. Like Holocaust deniers and those who believe that interfering in Southeast Asia was a good idea. I would like to know which historical events have been changed by leftists to conform to their ideology. Yes, there are hypocrites. I can think of one right off. There is this world leader who staged a photo op at a church he rarely attends, carrying a book that he never reads. And using violence to pervert the story of a man whose life symbolized peace.

[Gunny]

If you are referring to my mom, she is a counselor, not a teacher. My maternal grandmother was a teacher. Imparting subversive ideas to first graders. I often wonder if teachers are in the middle and others are attempting to change history to conform with their right wing ideology. Like Holocaust deniers and those who believe that interfering in Southeast Asia was a good idea. I would like to know which historical events have been changed by leftists to conform to their ideology. Yes, there are hypocrites. I can think of one right off. There is this world leader who staged a photo op at a church he rarely attends, carrying a book that he never reads. And using violence to pervert the story of a man whose life symbolized peace.:rolleyes: Still smarter than the average bear, huh?:laugh:

[jimnyc]

If you are referring to my mom, she is a counselor, not a teacher. My maternal grandmother was a teacher. Imparting subversive ideas to first graders. I often wonder if teachers are in the middle and others are attempting to change history to conform with their right wing ideology. Like Holocaust deniers and those who believe that interfering in Southeast Asia was a good idea. I would like to know which historical events have been changed by leftists to conform to their ideology. Yes, there are hypocrites. I can think of one right off. There is this world leader who staged a photo op at a church he rarely attends, carrying a book that he never reads. And using violence to pervert the story of a man whose life symbolized peace.

If you would like to continue a charade - then I will outright be honest enough to tell you that your Mom is a leftist idiot, a proven habitual liar, one of the worst hypocrites I've ever seen, doesn't respect anyone's privacy, and has told folks on here some of the most vile things I've come out of a 'woman's' mouth.

Knowing that such a person can "counsel" children is scary. Nothing like having lying folks talking to kids. No doubt violating their privacy. And I can only wonder about disgusting things said behind their backs.

And how long before you parrot "bush did it" or your other USUAL bs. And I say usual, as in I don't believe you for a fucking second. But act if you must, then know the truth about Mom you must.

[jimnyc]

:rolleyes: Still smarter than the average bear, huh?:laugh:

Still THINKS so in her own mind.

Imagine that, trying to come back is one thing. I don't care either way, quite frankly. But to do so, AGAIN, and acting as their own child, I find kind of offensive. But then again, what's changed?

What I care about are rules being followed. If someone can do that, so be it. But don't think I'll play along with the charade.

[The_D_Girl]

I am 19 and old enough to think for myself. I am not my mom, just like Jim's son is not him. Jim, why doesn't your son post here? I am sure he has some good ideas. Is he still going to school in Rhode Island?

[jimnyc]

I am 19 and old enough to think for myself. I am not my mom, just like Jim's son is not him. Jim, why doesn't your son post here? I am sure he has some good ideas. Is he still going to school in Rhode Island?

Fuck off Gabby. And last warning - don't ever mention my family again. Directly or indirectly. Play your games, for now.

[Gunny]

I am 19 and old enough to think for myself. I am not my mom, just like Jim's son is not him. Jim, why doesn't your son post here? I am sure he has some good ideas. Is he still going to school in Rhode Island?Knock off the BS. You're still here against the desire of a few. You can not listen like last time and see what that got/gets you, or you can settle your ass down.

Besides, your real name is easier to type and I am ALL about THAT :)

[NightTrain]

Knock off your batshit crazy game, Gabby.

You were spotted and identified within minutes of joining with the new identity, and we've been enjoying watching you fumble around trying to be convincing - which you're not. But thanks for the laughs, it's been entertaining for sure!

You can hide your snark, shallow knowledge and lack of social skills as well as a leopard can change his spots.

Even if I hadn't matched your IP to your home in Pasadena, I'd have identified you just by your posting style by now.

[SassyLady]

If you are referring to my mom, she is a counselor, not a teacher. My maternal grandmother was a teacher. Imparting subversive ideas to first graders. I often wonder if teachers are in the middle and others are attempting to change history to conform with their right wing ideology. Like Holocaust deniers and those who believe that interfering in Southeast Asia was a good idea. I would like to know which historical events have been changed by leftists to conform to their ideology. Yes, there are hypocrites. I can think of one right off. There is this world leader who staged a photo op at a church he rarely attends, carrying a book that he never reads. And using violence to pervert the story of a man whose life symbolized peace.

Oh, so you're Gabby's kid. Explains a lot. However, you sounds just like my granddaughter who is in teaching program at UofA. She was indoctrinated in high school. Did charter school, Basis, until 9th grade and then transferred to public school liberal arts program and did a 180 from everything she believed up to that point.

[NightTrain]

Oh, so you're Gabby's kid. Explains a lot. However, you sounds just like my granddaughter who is in teaching program at UofA. She was indoctrinated in high school. Did charter school, Basis, until 9th grade and then transferred to public school liberal arts program and did a 180 from everything she believed up to that point.

No, that was Gabby.

It's the same bizarre game she played a few years ago. I guess she thought it would be clever to pose as her daughter... maybe a shrink could make heads or tails of it, but she's done it before.

Another time she wrote an attempt to rebut something I posted and claimed it was "a student" that wrote it, even though she's a counselor in a high school. If she were a teacher in some sort of political class, then yeah... maybe, but that would still be a pretty awkward thing to do. When it flopped miserably she predictably ran back to "it was only a high school kid!"... the whole thing was very weird.

I don't know, maybe she thought that she'd gained so much ill-will from her many multitudes of lies and despicable slights to pretty much everyone here that she thought it would be a better idea to slip in undetected with a new persona and start fresh.

Starting out with a whole new set of lies is a hell of a way to start fresh, though. Would have been better to simply ask Jim for forgiveness after that horrific stunt she pulled a couple years ago and be honest right out of the gate, IMO.

I didn't get a chance to ask if she still lives in Huntington Beach, CA when she lives in a suburb of Houston, though. Shame, that.

[icansayit]

The more lies you tell, the harder it is to remember which ones you told first, and when. Then, when you discover you're not sure which lies you told. You just make up more to cover up how poor..or should I say..'Rotten' your failed memory is??????



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[CSM]

I think Gabby/ "D-Girl" is really "Hanoi Jane" in real life.... just sayin

[icansayit]

I think Gabby/ "D-Girl" is really "Hanoi Jane" in real life.... just sayin


They all sound like they attended the Nancy Pelosi School of
"How to be Just Like Joe Biden's Mysterious Mental Disabilities Nobody Wants To Admit"

No time for liars here, or anywhere else.

[claudius2019]

Any traffic cop in the country would slap the cuffs on Pelosi immediately, if they pulled her over in that condition. Why is she allowed to run the country in a complete chemical haze? And how come everyone seems OK with it?

Makes no sense at all to me.