What a mess in Minneapolis

[jimnyc]

Who's following the George Floyd story out there?

This one is a police bust, but IMO I can make a case for murder here. All kinds of martial arts moves are known that can be used to help cut off the circulation of your opponent to get them to tap out or pass out. The Refs are there watching closely understanding to stop the fight immediately if someone refuses to tap out and they pass out. So they protect them. I've seen guys lay flat on top of others, and embed their shoulder blade into the guys throat and cut it off that way with all of your body weight on top of them. Generally guys tap out quickly as not only don't they want to pass out, but it IS like a torture in a sense, IMO.

So the cops busted this guy. And AFTER he was in handcuffs and on his stomach doing nothing wrong, the cop dug his full body weight on his kneecap into the guys neck. The guy was clearly struggling for a long time to breathe and begging for help. Bystanders were even pleading for him to get off. But he stayed in that position for 6 full minutes and the guy died as a result.

The cop and 3 others were all fired. And of course now protesting, and likely deserved. They need to be charged with murder and I agree with those who are pissed off.

BUT, in comes Maxine Waters to blame Trump. Colin Kaepernick is calling for a revolt. And the protests quickly went from peaceful, to shutting down highways and destroying police cars. Then looting and destroying and burning businesses. I understand the anger on this one, but no one wins when this shit happens either.

Here's video of the cop on top of him. Tons of stories out there on this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lirHz93qJ50

[hjmick]

Between Minneapolis, Satilla Hills, Waters, Trump, Democrats, Republicans, left, right, extreme left, extreme right, no compromise, and COVID-19... this country has lost its collective shit...

[Black Diamond]

The cop who had his knee on his neck should be charged with a crime: manslaughter probably. But I don't see why folks are assuming the cop did it because floyd was black.

[Black Diamond]

Between Minneapolis, Satilla Hills, Waters, Trump, Democrats, Republicans, left, right, extreme left, extreme right, no compromise, and COVID-19... this country has lost its collective shit...

Just wait until spike Lee comes out of quarantine.

[hjmick]

Just wait until spike Lee comes out of quarantine.

I do want to see his new movie...

[Black Diamond]

I do want to see his new movie...

Netflix? Da 5 bloods? I'll check it out next month.

[hjmick]

Netflix? Da 5 bloods? I'll check it out next month.

That's the one, sadly I don't do Netflix.

Politics aside, Lee has made some good films...

[Black Diamond]

Who's following the George Floyd story out there?

This one is a police bust, but IMO I can make a case for murder here. All kinds of martial arts moves are known that can be used to help cut off the circulation of your opponent to get them to tap out or pass out. The Refs are there watching closely understanding to stop the fight immediately if someone refuses to tap out and they pass out. So they protect them. I've seen guys lay flat on top of others, and embed their shoulder blade into the guys throat and cut it off that way with all of your body weight on top of them. Generally guys tap out quickly as not only don't they want to pass out, but it IS like a torture in a sense, IMO.

So the cops busted this guy. And AFTER he was in handcuffs and on his stomach doing nothing wrong, the cop dug his full body weight on his kneecap into the guys neck. The guy was clearly struggling for a long time to breathe and begging for help. Bystanders were even pleading for him to get off. But he stayed in that position for 6 full minutes and the guy died as a result.

The cop and 3 others were all fired. And of course now protesting, and likely deserved. They need to be charged with murder and I agree with those who are pissed off.

BUT, in comes Maxine Waters to blame Trump. Colin Kaepernick is calling for a revolt. And the protests quickly went from peaceful, to shutting down highways and destroying police cars. Then looting and destroying and burning businesses. I understand the anger on this one, but no one wins when this shit happens either.

Here's video of the cop on top of him. Tons of stories out there on this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lirHz93qJ50

It's going to be a tough summer.

[Black Diamond]

That's the one, sadly I don't do Netflix.

Politics aside, Lee has made some good films...

I thought maclom x was very well done.

[Kathianne]

The cop who had his knee on his neck should be charged with a crime: manslaughter probably. But I don't see why folks are assuming the cop did it because floyd was black.

Yep, I think he should be charged with murder, not manslaughter. The man was obviously out, yet the cop continued. With hand in pocket, no way was he concerned about the man attacking him or others.

The other cops, the ones who didn't pull him off? Accessories.

Motivation for the kneeing cop? Who the hell knows. Power? Manly man? Avenger of fake 20's? Bigot?

I do not support hate crimes. There's plenty of discretionary power to give more time to the more heinous. No way to know what the hell motivates the perps.

[Black Diamond]

Yep, I think he should be charged with murder, not manslaughter. The man was obviously out, yet the cop continued. With hand in pocket, no way was he concerned about the man attacking him or others.

The other cops, the ones who didn't pull him off? Accessories.

Motivation for the kneeing cop? Who the hell knows. Power? Manly man? Avenger of fake 20's? Bigot?

I do not support hate crimes. There's plenty of discretionary power to give more time to the more heinous. No way to know what the hell motivates the perps.

Yeah I was actually thinking second degree murder based on what I was taught second degree murder was. But many times in these situations manslaughter charges are brought for some reason.

[LongTermGuy]

Between Minneapolis, Satilla Hills, Waters, Trump, Democrats, Republicans, left, right, extreme left, extreme right, no compromise, and COVID-19... this country has lost its collective shit...


The extreme Failed Obama / corrupt Hillary ("Yes we can")....Left (Democrats / Liberals / socialists / communist) what ever one wants to call "Them"...Remain Butt-Hurt that Trump won...and will do anything...say anything to win this next election they lit the match to start the fire....

...Anyone with a Brain Comprehends and understands that...There is no Politically correct Garbage about this by trying to keep it Fair...(Blaming both sides) to look good....and try to insinuate what a fair and balanced person one is....

*Nothing Fair and Balanced with the Cancer of Liberalism.....we are in a war for this country to survive fighting this Cancer....This is not a Fucking Game...

The cop / cops were wrong in this situation....Looting dont make things right...Looters should be shot and or thrown in jail...Political Correctness stops that from happening...Police are doing nothing to stop the looting...

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

The extreme Failed Obama / corrupt Hillary ("Yes we can")....Left (Democrats / Liberals / socialists / communist) what ever one wants to call "Them"...Remain Butt-Hurt that Trump won...and will do anything...say anything to win this next election they lit the match to start the fire....

...Anyone with a Brain Comprehends and understands that...There is no Politically correct Garbage about this by trying to keep it Fair...(Blaming both sides) to look good....and try to insinuate what a fair and balanced person one is....

*Nothing Fair and Balanced with the Cancer of Liberalism.....we are in a war for this country to survive fighting this Cancer....This is not a Fucking Game...

The cop / cops were wrong in this situation....Looting dont make things right...Looters should be shot and or thrown in jail...Political Correctness stops that from happening...Police are doing nothing to stop the looting...





That cop should definitely be charged with murder. The other cops charged because they failed to stop the obvious --ABUSE!!!!
In my life I have sen many times cops abuse innocent civilians. I have seen it often enough to basically despise ffking cops!!!
And those victims were primarily white. I would say about 70% of cops abuse the power given them and many do so intentionally, repeatedly and criminally.
I myself at age 19, in 1973 was arrested, kicked in the back as I was stepping into the jail cell, fell forward with my hands still cuffed. Injured my left shoulder. My crime, -Fighting- my plea-- Self-defense as the other man had hit me from behind with a pool cue in a bar. I later found out that the cop that kicked me was a relative of the guy that I had beat the living hell out of.
And yes, that worthless bastard knew I was defending myself in that fight.. As everybody knew the story, I was arrested on an arrest warrant for that altercation about 3 months later. Everybody knew the damn truth of it.
Tragic that I never got the opportunity to ever deliver some justice to that ffking cop..
Tis' one of my deep regrets in my life... A fact.... -Tyr
This is all 100% true.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gowdy-george-floyd-death-already-232958837.html


Gowdy nails it..-Tyr

[Kathianne]

I started watching this around 12am, CST, just as the police station was abandoned and set on fire.

Regardless of the spark of murder, nothing justifies anarchy. The vast majority of the citizenry that await justice do not deserve watching their city burn.

Minneapolis in particular, MN in general were considered models of governance 25 years ago. No more. No one with two brain cells appears to have a handle on it. They let the city burn. They made the police irrelevant and plan on sending them out again? Idiots.

Now they intend to 'restore order.' The governor just admitted that they gave the protesters pretty much free reign last night, thinking they needed to blow off steam. Nothing, they learned nothing from Baltimore.

[jimnyc]

I watched many videos early this morning. These folks seem to have taken the streets back, and their entire city. Destroying anything representing the police and then the 3rd precinct turned into a marshmallow campfire.

With everything going on, bad or good, and no matter what one feels - it took a child to come in front of the cameras and give a small interview and said words better than I ever heard before.

Kudos to this kid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_PCcahzrDs

[Kathianne]

I watched many videos early this morning. These folks seem to have taken the streets back, and their entire city. Destroying anything representing the police and then the 3rd precinct turned into a marshmallow campfire.

With everything going on, bad or good, and no matter what one feels - it took a child to come in front of the cameras and give a small interview and said words better than I ever heard before.

Kudos to this kid



I understand he believes all of what he's saying, he's been taught that. The crime by police on Monday, confirm it is true in his mind.

Unfortunately, it's not the police or whites that are killing young, black men. It happens, it's not the norm. Young, black men are killing young, black men.

[Kathianne]

Something good to see, off my fb:


Emily Rhoads is in Minneapolis, Minnesota.
4 hrs · Public
“Let me start by showing what you're NOT seeing on the news: a community pulling together to clean up the physical expressions of grief from the night before.
My partner remarked "it seems like we're cleaning all of this up way faster than it took for people to tear it all down" and I said "yeah, there are a lot more people here cleaning up than there were making this mess" and I think that speaks volumes of this protest as a whole.
There are many more here helping, inspiring, and organizing than those acting out.”
#LookForTheHelpers

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[Gunny]

I'm still waiting for one of these cities to just not take the childish crap and just start throwing people in jail. I don't care how it looks and I don't care who starts crying that it's just making matters worse. Yes, they will probably try it again and up their game the same as any control freak does when it starts losing control and you just hit them again. As many times as it takes to stop them.

Violence is NOT the answer to police misconduct, but it IS the answer to violence. It is a pointless response to wrongdoing because it never accomplishes anything but destruction of places and peoples' lives. The only ones gaining anything here are the ones with agendas they hide within the violence they have stoked the flames of.

Take it away from them hard and fast and make them redress their grievances in the proper manner in a proper forum.

It IS nice to see such a strong showing for cleanup. That's something the MSM doesn't normally share with us. I did make note it came off someone's FB.

[Kathianne]

I'm still waiting for one of these cities to just not take the childish crap and just start throwing people in jail. I don't care how it looks and I don't care who starts crying that it's just making matters worse. Yes, they will probably try it again and up their game the same as any control freak does when it starts losing control and you just hit them again. As many times as it takes to stop them.

Violence is NOT the answer to police misconduct, but it IS the answer to violence. It is a pointless response to wrongdoing because it never accomplishes anything but destruction of places and peoples' lives. The only ones gaining anything here are the ones with agendas they hide within the violence they have stoked the flames of.

Take it away from them hard and fast and make them redress their grievances in the proper manner in a proper forum.

It IS nice to see such a strong showing for cleanup. That's something the MSM doesn't normally share with us. I did make note it came off someone's FB.

Now that they have the National Guard in place, I'm hoping no more tonight. They are going to have to address the issue they caused regarding the police having to abandon their station. The politics in this are very, very bad.

Antifa was there, all 3 nights. No doubt, some of this was outside forces, though my feelings are that you can't blame away looting and arson.

[Gunny]

Now that they have the National Guard in place, I'm hoping no more tonight. They are going to have to address the issue they caused regarding the police having to abandon their station. The politics in this are very, very bad.

Antifa was there, all 3 nights. No doubt, some of this was outside forces, though my feelings are that you can't blame away looting and arson.This crap started in Watts, and when MLK was assassinated and blacks ran amok in all major US cities; especially, in the East and NE. And NOTHING was done. They do not fear punishment and the left justifies their behavior to the point that everyone is afraid to do anything for fear of being blamed for escalating the situation.

IMO, the National Guard is 3 days late, and I have no problem defending my position with deadly force so there'd have been no deserting the post under fire BS. I have always said (in my head :)) if I disagreed with an order to surrender I was going rogue under the wire and they can try and catch me.

The politics in MN seem to get worse as the days pass. In the end, just like cleaning up the mess in your previous post, it's up to those same people to clean up the political mess. We can comment all we want, but none of us live and/or vote there (that I am aware of).

The way our cities are wired nowadays, it seems they have multiple angles of video surveillance when they want to have it. I'm sure if they put some real effort into it they could make more than just a few arrests.

Antifa, IMO, is a terrorist organization, should be branded and treated as such. They're not eve smart enough to realize they are exactly what their name claims they aren't.

[Gunny]

BTW ... I could be mistaken as to which state, but isn't MN one of the states where the Governor went all power-trippy last month? Wonder where that power is now ...

[Kathianne]

BTW ... I could be mistaken as to which state, but isn't MN one of the states where the Governor went all power-trippy last month? Wonder where that power is now ...
Seems to me that near all blue state governors went power trippy. Are you thinking though of female from MI? She is the authoritarian of all. She makes Trump look meek.

[Gunny]

Seems to me that near all blue state governors went power trippy. Are you thinking though of female from MI? She is the authoritarian of all. She makes Trump look meek.MN, MI, WI ... all the same noise to me. Up "there" somewhere :) Which doesn't have a leftwingnut, raghead dumbass in Congress? :)

[Gunny]

Here's another thing. I don't like cops. So, there's that. I think half or more abuse their power and are heavy-handed, slamming people around for no reason. My point here is every time blacks act like it's just them, the fact it's done every day to whites is just lost. Blacks aren't special. They think they are and want special treatment, but I wonder how many times excessive force is used on whites (or anyone else besides blacks) and not reported?

Maybe everyone else should act like children and throw tantrums? Blacks are 13% of the US population though the media presents them as more and they certainly are over-represented in government. Looking at Congress, the MSM or TV you'd think blacks were half the population if not more.

I wonder what the numbers would look like if they were put up against poor/lower middle class whites getting treated just as bad.

[Black Diamond]

MN, MI, WI ... all the same noise to me. Up "there" somewhere :) Which doesn't have a leftwingnut, raghead dumbass in Congress? :)

Yeah Omar in Minnesota. Her district is like little Mogadishu from what I have heard.

[Russ]

I am a strong supporter of police and I highly appreciate them being out there every day, potentially risking their lives to keep the peace for everyone else. Because they risk so much, I’ve always felt they should be given the benefit of the doubt whenever possible.

This case is something that makes me want to change my mind. I don’t see any possible defense for what they did. I don’t see any possible excuse to call what happened anything other than murder. NO reason to have a knee on that guys neck before the cuffs, let alone after. And he didn’t even resist arrest in the first place. The cops claimed that, but video from a restaurant across the street refutes it. So now we know that the whole group of cops are liars, as well.

Maybe the cop didn’t plan to kill the guy, but he sure didn’t care if he did or not. To me, its manslaughter at best, but he should be charged with first degree. What a slime ball. How about we sentence him right now to three weeks of people putting their knees on HIS neck. And that’s just before the trial.

That second cop is walking around free on borrowed time, I bet. He’s guilty of manslaughter because he stood there letting it happen. And I have no sympathy for either of those cops. Whatever happens to them.

[Russ]

The Ahmaud Arbery case in Georgia is just as troubling. The two guys in the truck chasing the black jogger, with shotguns. And then lying that he attacked them.

Worst of all is how the police never arrested the two guys until the video was release to the public, months later. The case would probably be dismissed by now if not for the video. These guys don’t seem to have a concept of the preciousness of someone else’s life. Well, they’re going to have a lot of time to think about it now.

[Kathianne]

Well I was wrong. Minneapolis still having riots. Worse yet, going on throughout the country. Protesters knocked down a barrier at the White House, which went into lockdown. Secret Service quickly controlled the site. This is not good.

[Black Diamond]

Well I was wrong. Minneapolis still having riots. Worse yet, going on throughout the country. Protesters knocked down a barrier at the White House, which went into lockdown. Secret Service quickly controlled the site. This is not good.

Not good at all. The fact he's been charged hasn't calmed the anger.

[Black Diamond]

Things could get worse...

[Kathianne]

What I've seen so far it looks like most cities are in control for the most part. Police there and holding. Some looting, but not free for all.

Then there's Minneapolis. No police, no Guard, no fire-won't go without protection.

[Gunny]

I am a strong supporter of police and I highly appreciate them being out there every day, potentially risking their lives to keep the peace for everyone else. Because they risk so much, I’ve always felt they should be given the benefit of the doubt whenever possible.

This case is something that makes me want to change my mind. I don’t see any possible defense for what they did. I don’t see any possible excuse to call what happened anything other than murder. NO reason to have a knee on that guys neck before the cuffs, let alone after. And he didn’t even resist arrest in the first place. The cops claimed that, but video from a restaurant across the street refutes it. So now we know that the whole group of cops are liars, as well.

Maybe the cop didn’t plan to kill the guy, but he sure didn’t care if he did or not. To me, its manslaughter at best, but he should be charged with first degree. What a slime ball. How about we sentence him right now to three weeks of people putting their knees on HIS neck. And that’s just before the trial.

That second cop is walking around free on borrowed time, I bet. He’s guilty of manslaughter because he stood there letting it happen. And I have no sympathy for either of those cops. Whatever happens to them.I'm by no means defending the police. Just giving a reason, and we used it in the Marines. Knee on the side of the face where the cheekbone and upper jaw meet. If used correctly, it is a means of controlling the body on most people. It is excruciatingly painful; yet, causes no permanent damage. We practiced on each other so each Marine was well aware of how to use it properly and how painful it is. It IS a standard means of holding a suspect by police as far as I have seen.

In this case? Negligence. Sloppy application. Arrogance. Dumbassness. It STILL takes MINUTES to actually cut off the carotid artery and kill someone.

Where I get all pissy about crap like this is if the person is not resisting arrest to begin with, there is absolutely NO reason to slam them around, to the ground and twist them up. That's excessive use of force and it's bullshit.

IMO, the correct crime is negligent homicide. Given the circus going on around this, he'll probably be charged with murder. I doubt the idiot meant to kill him. There are easier ways and he is using a means of restraint, not deadly force.

I used to be supportive of the police as well. Hard to be a Marine and not. But they crossed the line with their use of force at some point, IMO. We didn't treat POWs anywhere near as badly you can see police treat people on COPS every night. Bearing in mind, I was front line, not a REMF at Abu ghraib.

There's no justification for this. The former cop needs to just plead dumber'n a hitchpost and throw himself on the mercy of the Court.

[Black Diamond]

I'm by no means defending the police. Just giving a reason, and we used it in the Marines. Knee on the side of the face where the cheekbone and upper jaw meet. If used correctly, it is a means of controlling the body on most people. It is excruciatingly painful; yet, causes no permanent damage. We practiced on each other so each Marine was well aware of how to use it properly and how painful it is. It IS a standard means of holding a suspect by police as far as I have seen.

In this case? Negligence. Sloppy application. Arrogance. Dumbassness. It STILL takes MINUTES to actually cut off the carotid artery and kill someone.

Where I get all pissy about crap like this is if the person is not resisting arrest to begin with, there is absolutely NO reason to slam them around, to the ground and twist them up. That's excessive use of force and it's bullshit.

IMO, the correct crime is negligent homicide. Given the circus going on around this, he'll probably be charged with murder. I doubt the idiot meant to kill him. There are easier ways and he is using a means of restraint, not deadly force.

I used to be supportive of the police as well. Hard to be a Marine and not. But they crossed the line with their use of force at some point, IMO. We didn't treat POWs anywhere near as badly you can see police treat people on COPS every night. Bearing in mind, I was front line, not a REMF at Abu ghraib.

There's no justification for this. The former cop needs to just plead dumber'n a hitchpost and throw himself on the mercy of the Court.

Yes and beg for solitary confinement alla sirhan sirhan . Otherwise he may not last a week.

[Gunny]

Yes and beg for solitary confinement alla sirhan sirhan . Otherwise he may not last a week.At the time of my post I was unaware the rioting has continued. A change of venue to a 3rd World country might help. This guy's toast. Somebody's got to pay for the damages and I'm not seeing many likely candidates besides him.

On his partner some have been quick to judge I can't say. If he was just spectating probably some culpability. If he was concerned with another task, he might not have been truly aware of what was happening. In my experience, the second man in a 2-man team is watching the perimeter unless called for help. So I really can't say on that one without more info.

[jimnyc]

My stance on things (overall police violence on innocent people or folks guilty of petty crimes) has evolved some over time. I've always been of the 'don't do the crime if you can't do the time' and still do. I don't condone any of the rioting. I do support the protesting.

But don't others see the increase in killings of black folks from police directly? Or being harassed or assaulted by members of the police? Maybe I visit all the weird sites, starting with worlstarhiphop and other sites that share videos that you may not always find on youtube or the MSM.

And I know that times are changing with events being videotaped. But these videos have been coming out more and more. Some events I see are in fact folks breaking the law, resisting arrest or refusing to cooperate and/or becoming violent themselves. I'm not speaking of those events. I'm talking of folks being beyond abused and harassed for simple citations. Not every time, but one knows it when they see it, that an officer may be clearly abusing his or her power.

But then you have a lot of gun activity when "I" think a tazer would be better, considering it doesn't kill. I have seen many officers deploying them while running. They have lasers and are pretty darn accurate. I have seen many videos where say 5-6 officers have in front of them in assailant. Whether it be a knife at worst, screwdriver, shovel, hammer.... then I see a barrage of bullets to subdue them, when I believe in many cases a tazer would be more than sufficient. In this activity I cannot properly judge, not a cop, not trained and don't know the why's and when's. But just seems when several cops have someone surrounded, and no gun involved, that less violent means can at least be tried first. Sometimes. Maybe?

Then you have events like this with George Floyd, where it's beyond egregious and beyond obvious that power was abused. And let's face it, this isn't a rarity. It's been happening far too often. From literally doing nothing wrong in some cases, to others being killed over petty crimes. I support so much from the police, but there has been more and more to not like about quite a handful out there.

One thing I'm happy to see is that you are seeing much of the protesting remain peaceful. The folks involved are of ALL races, not just black folks. Seems with more and more of these events, more and more are seeing it and more and more getting pissed and involved.

I'm still always gonna be a tough on crime kinda guy. We need laws for our society. I don't support any of the destruction, fires, violence or assaulting police. And law and order needs to be restored ASAP in order for appropriate protesting & healing to take place. But I too am one that is getting pissed about this crap. Eventually MY neighborhood is going to be in flames or fighting if it were to continue. I still think it's a small portion of cops out there. But they gotta stop this shit, and all of the others gotta jump on board, stop others if they have to, and worry about pulling out your guns and choking suspects that are deserving.

In this guys case, I think 3rd degree murder is appropriate and I hope he gets found guilty. Same goes with manslaughter charge. I know folks want 1st or 2nd degree charges filed, but no way they'll prove intent or premeditation and that's a liability and could be what frees him in the end.

...

That aside, the challenge now is subduing the riots, firebombing & any violence. It spread awfully quick around the nation. I can't say how or who organized, but it doesn't matter for now, what matters is putting an end to it - without bullets. If that happens, I'm afraid things will get 10 times worse. But at the same time, what are the options for the police when they are outnumbered 50-1 and folks are dead set on destruction? National guard is in, but active yet anywhere? They need to be tonight, in quite a few places, but what will their orders be?

[FakeNewsSux]

Damn the luck! Biden's only sane presumptive VP candidate could have derailed this cop's career when she was DA but didn't?


Amy Klobuchar missed chance to prosecute Minneapolis cop now at center of George Floyd deathDerek Chauvin had 10 complaints filed against him during his nearly 20-year career

https://twt-thumbs.washtimes.com/media/image/2020/03/05/juvenile_lifer_klobuchar_80067_c0-217-4779-3003_s885x516.jpg?3bc752ba294d9441575961f64019b5fa b4c38b8b


Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/amy-klobuchar/), who is in the running to be presumed Democratic presidential nominee Joseph R. Biden (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/joseph-r-biden/)’s running mate, found herself under fire Thursday for not prosecuting years ago a Minneapolis police officer who this week was videotaped kneeling on the neck of an African-American suspect who died in custody.
The attention on Ms. Klobuchar (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/amy-klobuchar/)’s tenure as Hennepin County attorney, which had posed problems for her during her presidential bid, comes at a time when she is one of several women under consideration by Mr. Biden (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/joseph-r-biden/)’s campaign as a possible vice presidential candidate.
The issue Thursday largely revolved around former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin, the cop kneeling on George Floyd (https://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/george-floyd/)’s neck in the infamous video who, with three other officers, was immediately dismissed from the force when the video surfaced.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/28/amy-klobuchar-passed-prosecuting-derek-chauvin-min/

[Gunny]

My stance on things (overall police violence on innocent people or folks guilty of petty crimes) has evolved some over time. I've always been of the 'don't do the crime if you can't do the time' and still do. I don't condone any of the rioting. I do support the protesting.

But don't others see the increase in killings of black folks from police directly? Or being harassed or assaulted by members of the police? Maybe I visit all the weird sites, starting with worlstarhiphop and other sites that share videos that you may not always find on youtube or the MSM.

And I know that times are changing with events being videotaped. But these videos have been coming out more and more. Some events I see are in fact folks breaking the law, resisting arrest or refusing to cooperate and/or becoming violent themselves. I'm not speaking of those events. I'm talking of folks being beyond abused and harassed for simple citations. Not every time, but one knows it when they see it, that an officer may be clearly abusing his or her power.

But then you have a lot of gun activity when "I" think a tazer would be better, considering it doesn't kill. I have seen many officers deploying them while running. They have lasers and are pretty darn accurate. I have seen many videos where say 5-6 officers have in front of them in assailant. Whether it be a knife at worst, screwdriver, shovel, hammer.... then I see a barrage of bullets to subdue them, when I believe in many cases a tazer would be more than sufficient. In this activity I cannot properly judge, not a cop, not trained and don't know the why's and when's. But just seems when several cops have someone surrounded, and no gun involved, that less violent means can at least be tried first. Sometimes. Maybe?

Then you have events like this with George Floyd, where it's beyond egregious and beyond obvious that power was abused. And let's face it, this isn't a rarity. It's been happening far too often. From literally doing nothing wrong in some cases, to others being killed over petty crimes. I support so much from the police, but there has been more and more to not like about quite a handful out there.

One thing I'm happy to see is that you are seeing much of the protesting remain peaceful. The folks involved are of ALL races, not just black folks. Seems with more and more of these events, more and more are seeing it and more and more getting pissed and involved.

I'm still always gonna be a tough on crime kinda guy. We need laws for our society. I don't support any of the destruction, fires, violence or assaulting police. And law and order needs to be restored ASAP in order for appropriate protesting & healing to take place. But I too am one that is getting pissed about this crap. Eventually MY neighborhood is going to be in flames or fighting if it were to continue. I still think it's a small portion of cops out there. But they gotta stop this shit, and all of the others gotta jump on board, stop others if they have to, and worry about pulling out your guns and choking suspects that are deserving.

In this guys case, I think 3rd degree murder is appropriate and I hope he gets found guilty. Same goes with manslaughter charge. I know folks want 1st or 2nd degree charges filed, but no way they'll prove intent or premeditation and that's a liability and could be what frees him in the end.

...

That aside, the challenge now is subduing the riots, firebombing & any violence. It spread awfully quick around the nation. I can't say how or who organized, but it doesn't matter for now, what matters is putting an end to it - without bullets. If that happens, I'm afraid things will get 10 times worse. But at the same time, what are the options for the police when they are outnumbered 50-1 and folks are dead set on destruction? National guard is in, but active yet anywhere? They need to be tonight, in quite a few places, but what will their orders be?I don't see more killing of black folks. I see more coverage of black folks being killed, and more rioting when black folks are killed.

When was the last time you saw a white guy being killed or abused by police? Or whites burning down half a city over it? Whites are over 70% of the US population; yet, I have seen none of the above when one is abused or killed. IF 16% of the population is truly abused or killed more than 70+ percent of the population, what does that say about that 16%?

In short, MSM manipulation is MY call.

[Russ]

I'm by no means defending the police. Just giving a reason, and we used it in the Marines. Knee on the side of the face where the cheekbone and upper jaw meet. If used correctly, it is a means of controlling the body on most people. It is excruciatingly painful; yet, causes no permanent damage. We practiced on each other so each Marine was well aware of how to use it properly and how painful it is. It IS a standard means of holding a suspect by police as far as I have seen.

In this case? Negligence. Sloppy application. Arrogance. Dumbassness. It STILL takes MINUTES to actually cut off the carotid artery and kill someone.

Where I get all pissy about crap like this is if the person is not resisting arrest to begin with, there is absolutely NO reason to slam them around, to the ground and twist them up. That's excessive use of force and it's bullshit.

IMO, the correct crime is negligent homicide. Given the circus going on around this, he'll probably be charged with murder. I doubt the idiot meant to kill him. There are easier ways and he is using a means of restraint, not deadly force.

I used to be supportive of the police as well. Hard to be a Marine and not. But they crossed the line with their use of force at some point, IMO. We didn't treat POWs anywhere near as badly you can see police treat people on COPS every night. Bearing in mind, I was front line, not a REMF at Abu ghraib.

There's no justification for this. The former cop needs to just plead dumber'n a hitchpost and throw himself on the mercy of the Court.

Thanks, Gunny. This does help me understand what he was doing. I still don’t understand why he was doing it in this case, and why for so long. I was outraged about this story, and the one in Georgia, but after last night’s violent riots in all the major cities, I’m having a hard time maintaiming that outrage, or even sympathy. It is a tragedy what is happening in this country.

[Black Diamond]

Thanks, Gunny. This does help me understand what he was doing. I still don’t understand why he was doing it in this case, and why for so long. I was outraged about this story, and the one in Georgia, but after last night’s violent riots in all the major cities, I’m having a hard time maintaiming that outrage, or even sympathy. It is a tragedy what is happening in this country.

Yes. I am sick of people saying destroying the country is ok if this is what it takes to get justice.

[Gunny]

Thanks, Gunny. This does help me understand what he was doing. I still don’t understand why he was doing it in this case, and why for so long. I was outraged about this story, and the one in Georgia, but after last night’s violent riots in all the major cities, I’m having a hard time maintaiming that outrage, or even sympathy. It is a tragedy what is happening in this country.


Yes. I am sick of people saying destroying the country is ok if this is what it takes to get justice.Apparently a white killing a black dissipates and supercedes any further threat of coronavirus :rolleyes:

I don't care about the politics. The criminals hiding behind a tragedy to vandalize already tenuous at best communities/businesses/property and the lives connected to them need to be hunted down by law enforcement and hammered.

Everybody's worried about the "sensitivity of the people involved in the protests at the expense of countless lives they are affecting. Just what we need on top of an economy teetering over the abyss.

If nothing is done about these thugs I can easily see vigilantes taking justice into their own hands since the law isn't providing it. Can't say as I'd blame them too much.

[Russ]

If I were Trump, or a Governor or Mayor responsible for a big city, I would deny all protest permits, immediately. No protest is likely to be non-violent. The safety of people, businesses, and residences supercedes the right to protest. Also, curfews in these cities, from 6pm to 8am, for the foreseeable future.

[Gunny]

If I were Trump, or a Governor or Mayor responsible for a big city, I would deny all protest permits, immediately. No protest is likely to be non-violent. The safety of people, businesses, and residences supercedes the right to protest. Also, curfews in these cities, from 6pm to 8am, for the foreseeable future.We have a curfew in the downtown business district. 10 PM - 6 PM.

I think everyone should just go home. The killing was unjustified and the officer fired and charged with 2nd degree murder. THAT EVENT is over. Do your protest march and go home.

Sad but true, the peaceful protesters, regardless good intentions, are providing cover for the criminal undercurrent and just doing more harm than good to any cause they might have.

[icansayit]

He listed all of the cities where the riots are taking place. Guess what?

Wonder if it's just a coincidence that almost all of the cities are run by DEMOCRATS????

Here is Drudge's list...on his page...LA, Seattle, Nashville, Oklahoma City, Salt Lake City, Atlanta, Chicago, Detroit, NYC, DC...
Philly, Miami, Vegas, Cleveland, Denver, Des Moines, Dallas, Indianapolis, Charlotte, Kansas City...
Pittsburgh, Columbia, Wilmington, Portland, Phoenix, Tampa, San Fran, MORE...

Would anyone really be surprised...he left out Baltimore????

[Gunny]

He listed all of the cities where the riots are taking place. Guess what?

Wonder if it's just a coincidence that almost all of the cities are run by DEMOCRATS????

Here is Drudge's list...on his page...LA, Seattle, Nashville, Oklahoma City, Salt Lake City, Atlanta, Chicago, Detroit, NYC, DC...
Philly, Miami, Vegas, Cleveland, Denver, Des Moines, Dallas, Indianapolis, Charlotte, Kansas City...
Pittsburgh, Columbia, Wilmington, Portland, Phoenix, Tampa, San Fran, MORE...

Would anyone really be surprised...he left out Baltimore????I didn't go to Drudge, but I DID hit on the fact that all these cities are run by Democrat Mayors. I decided that probably all o big cities are because cities are where Dems hide out from reality (the real World).

[Kathianne]

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