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jimnyc
05-04-2020, 02:23 PM
Sure hope Newt is spot on, and I believe so. I think it's way too early for the polls, and also remember the day before 2016 election.

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New Gingrich: 'If elections were today' polls are meaningless. Biden will implode come November

As a student of history, it is painful to watch today's so-called reporters and analysts pontificate about the November 3, 2020, election outcome. We are currently six months away from that event.

Yet analyst after analyst and TV host after TV host will claim if the election were held today Joe Biden would win—as if Trump supporters should panic or collapse in despair.

To some extent, this kind of presentism even infects the White House and Republican leaders and activists.

Yet presentism is incredibly misleading in a period of change. Remember: At this point in 2015, it was inconceivable that Donald Trump would become the Republican nominee. At this point in 2016, the same analysts and talking heads who are touting Biden today were touting Hillary Clinton and predicting Trump would be a disastrous failure taking the Republicans down to defeat.

But, of course, the elections are not held in early May.

The greatest modern example of the absurdity of presentism is the President Harry S. Truman re-election of 1948. This was the election that famously ended with a re-elected Truman smilingly waving a copy of The Chicago Tribune with the banner headline "Dewey Wins." Truman had a lot to smile about. He had beaten the national establishment against all odds. Let me first outline the sequence of that year's polling data and then show how much the situation of Trump parallels Truman's challenge in 1948.

In late summer, Thomas E. Dewey held a 13-point lead over Truman (49-36). This was a four-way race with the left-wing candidate, former Vice President Henry Wallace, at that point getting 5 percent and the Dixiecrat candidate Strom Thurmond polling at 3 percent. In the post–Labor Day poll, Gallup still had Dewey ahead by 8 points. Truman went on to win by 49.6 percent to 45.1 percent, with Wallace and Thurmond each getting 2.4 percent.

The great lesson of the 1948 comeback by Truman is that campaigns matter. Truman knew this because in 1940, when he was running for re-election to the Senate in Missouri, both the Kansas City and St. Louis Democratic machines set out to defeat him. With no big backers, then-Senator Truman got in a car with a driver and crisscrossed the state, savagely attacking the big city machines. Truman won the Democratic primary narrowly, 40.91 percent to 39.67 percent, with a third candidate getting the rest. Then Truman went on to win the general election 51.2 percent to 48.7 percent over the Republican.

Rest - https://www.newsweek.com/newt-gingrich-if-elections-were-today-polls-are-meaningless-biden-will-implode-come-november-1501543

Black Diamond
05-04-2020, 02:29 PM
Yeah Dukakis had an 18 point lead in August. Hillary had a 13 point lead the day of the access Hollywood tape. Silver was mocked because he said Hillary "only" had a 3:1 advantage.

Trump will win bigger this time than last.

Abbey Marie
05-04-2020, 02:31 PM
I don’t want to be callous, but by November, Biden will be wearing a drool cup, and talking to artichokes.

Black Diamond
05-04-2020, 02:31 PM
Sure hope Newt is spot on, and I believe so. I think it's way too early for the polls, and also remember the day before 2016 election.

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New Gingrich: 'If elections were today' polls are meaningless. Biden will implode come November

As a student of history, it is painful to watch today's so-called reporters and analysts pontificate about the November 3, 2020, election outcome. We are currently six months away from that event.

Yet analyst after analyst and TV host after TV host will claim if the election were held today Joe Biden would win—as if Trump supporters should panic or collapse in despair.

To some extent, this kind of presentism even infects the White House and Republican leaders and activists.

Yet presentism is incredibly misleading in a period of change. Remember: At this point in 2015, it was inconceivable that Donald Trump would become the Republican nominee. At this point in 2016, the same analysts and talking heads who are touting Biden today were touting Hillary Clinton and predicting Trump would be a disastrous failure taking the Republicans down to defeat.

But, of course, the elections are not held in early May.

The greatest modern example of the absurdity of presentism is the President Harry S. Truman re-election of 1948. This was the election that famously ended with a re-elected Truman smilingly waving a copy of The Chicago Tribune with the banner headline "Dewey Wins." Truman had a lot to smile about. He had beaten the national establishment against all odds. Let me first outline the sequence of that year's polling data and then show how much the situation of Trump parallels Truman's challenge in 1948.

In late summer, Thomas E. Dewey held a 13-point lead over Truman (49-36). This was a four-way race with the left-wing candidate, former Vice President Henry Wallace, at that point getting 5 percent and the Dixiecrat candidate Strom Thurmond polling at 3 percent. In the post–Labor Day poll, Gallup still had Dewey ahead by 8 points. Truman went on to win by 49.6 percent to 45.1 percent, with Wallace and Thurmond each getting 2.4 percent.

The great lesson of the 1948 comeback by Truman is that campaigns matter. Truman knew this because in 1940, when he was running for re-election to the Senate in Missouri, both the Kansas City and St. Louis Democratic machines set out to defeat him. With no big backers, then-Senator Truman got in a car with a driver and crisscrossed the state, savagely attacking the big city machines. Truman won the Democratic primary narrowly, 40.91 percent to 39.67 percent, with a third candidate getting the rest. Then Truman went on to win the general election 51.2 percent to 48.7 percent over the Republican.

Rest - https://www.newsweek.com/newt-gingrich-if-elections-were-today-polls-are-meaningless-biden-will-implode-come-november-1501543

OH. The Dewey defeats Truman newspaper reminds me of the "madame president" magazine.

Black Diamond
05-04-2020, 02:32 PM
I don’t want to be callous, but by November, Biden will be wearing a drool cup, and talking to artichokes.

It's amazing the DNC picked him.

No1tovote4
05-05-2020, 05:32 AM
I don’t want to be callous, but by November, Biden will be wearing a drool cup, and talking to artichokes.
Do you think my karma hates me because I laughed?

No1tovote4
05-05-2020, 05:36 AM
The betting averages tell a bitter story for the Dems...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/betting_odds/2020_president/

Betting Odds Data

Betting Odds
Date
Trump
Biden
Spread


RCP Average
5/4
50.2
41.7
Trump +8.5


Betfair
May 5th
50
43
Trump +7


Betsson
May 5th
53
42
Trump +11


Bovada
May 5th
52
41
Trump +11


Bwin
May 5th
50
42
Trump +8


Smarkets
May 5th
46
40
Trump +6


SportingBet
May 5th
50
42
Trump +8

Abbey Marie
05-05-2020, 09:30 AM
Do you think my karma hates me because I laughed?


Well, hello there!

jimnyc
05-05-2020, 09:39 AM
I don’t want to be callous, but by November, Biden will be wearing a drool cup, and talking to artichokes.


Do you think my karma hates me because I laughed?


Well, hello there!

One of the best posts of the year!! What can be better than the visual of Joe Biden in your head, leaning to the left in his chair, just mumbling something about Trump, a cup attachment near him to let his drool fall into, while telling an artichoke his woes about Trump. Of course even the poor artichoke couldn't comprehend him. :dunno: I cracked up yesterday when I read that one!!

And no harmful karma points when someone willingly gets on TV to address us or the MSM showing off their sweet aging skills!

Hot Dogger
05-05-2020, 10:29 AM
I don’t want to be callous, but by November, Biden will be wearing a drool cup, and talking to artichokes.

That's very callous to the artichoke farmers who are now struggling. To tempt them with making such a sale. And that's not to mention the drool cup manufacturers.