Cuomo Today

[Kathianne]

Rate of increase in cases is going up. 2X every 3 days. !40k hospital beds may be needed. Their project need is 40K ICU beds, they have 3k.

They are opening Javits center as a hospital.

They could be 14 days from a serious problems. They NEED to slow the increase, it hasn't happened yet.

They have the highest testing in the US. They've exhausted their options, they've done all they could, including anti-malarial trials. They are testing for antibodies to virus-meaning immunity.

Apex is higher than thought and coming sooner than thought it would. They are still far short in the number of beds. They are trying to get hotels, dorms, etc. They need more healthcare workers and back up workers. They know the rate of sickness among staff is high.

The are desperate for ventilators. Life and death depends upon them. They have 3-4k. They have gained 7k, still need 30k. Can't be bought or found. Can't be made in 10 days. They are trying a procedure of using 1 ventilator for 2 patients. It's experimental, dangerous, but necessary. He is asking the feds to consider using National Procurement Act. 3 or 5 weeks isn't going to cut it, the feds under the act would give the company the $$ for workers to produce in 14 days. No red tape. Voluntary offers are too slow.

He's also suggesting to move ventilators across the country-NY is the 'canary in the coal mine.' What's now there, will be somewhere else when it passes NY. Then move them to the next region reaching their apex.

He's realizing what others are not, that the virus is moving at different times through the population. Now it's NY, CA, WA; Next will be IL, FL, TX, etc. We can learn and help as time goes on.

Job 1 should be saving lives.

Let those with antibodies go back to work. Then the economy can move along without more health endangerment. People are not going to pick 'fix economy over lives,' restart economy while protecting the health.

[NightTrain]

As much as I loathe his politics, I have to say that Cuomo is all over this and doing a good job. I get a kick out of his NY 'tough guy' phrasing and almost a mafia kind of cadence to his speech at times.

Jim does the same thing, and they're probably both completely unaware of it. Sharon loves hearing Jim talk because it reminds her of her childhood in New Jersey.

[Kathianne]

As much as I loathe his politics, I have to say that Cuomo is all over this and doing a good job. I get a kick out of his NY 'tough guy' phrasing and almost a mafia kind of cadence to his speech at times.

Jim does the same thing, and they're probably both completely unaware of it. Sharon loves hearing Jim talk because it reminds her of her childhood in New Jersey.

Yeah, I loathed him. then last week I caught one of his briefings, I was shocked by how much he seemed to know. Then he go along with Trump, whereas they'd been feuding just weeks ago-remember?

Today he's on Trump's shit list. He 'could have ordered ventilators two years ago for pandemic, he chose not to. Not the federal government's fault.

Trump wants the country back to work. By Easter.

Not built to 'stay home.' I've been watching him on FOX town hall with Pence, US Surgeon General, Birks.

Even referring to 'hot spots' he says we can work around those that are ill. We got to get back to work.

If he's right, genius. If he's wrong, gonna be ugly.

[jimnyc]

Rate of increase in cases is going up. 2X every 3 days. !40k hospital beds may be needed. Their project need is 40K ICU beds, they have 3k.

They are opening Javits center as a hospital.

They could be 14 days from a serious problems. They NEED to slow the increase, it hasn't happened yet.

They have the highest testing in the US. They've exhausted their options, they've done all they could, including anti-malarial trials. They are testing for antibodies to virus-meaning immunity.

Apex is higher than thought and coming sooner than thought it would. They are still far short in the number of beds. They are trying to get hotels, dorms, etc. They need more healthcare workers and back up workers. They know the rate of sickness among staff is high.

The are desperate for ventilators. Life and death depends upon them. They have 3-4k. They have gained 7k, still need 30k. Can't be bought or found. Can't be made in 10 days. They are trying a procedure of using 1 ventilator for 2 patients. It's experimental, dangerous, but necessary. He is asking the feds to consider using National Procurement Act. 3 or 5 weeks isn't going to cut it, the feds under the act would give the company the $$ for workers to produce in 14 days. No red tape. Voluntary offers are too slow.

He's also suggesting to move ventilators across the country-NY is the 'canary in the coal mine.' What's now there, will be somewhere else when it passes NY. Then move them to the next region reaching their apex.

He's realizing what others are not, that the virus is moving at different times through the population. Now it's NY, CA, WA; Next will be IL, FL, TX, etc. We can learn and help as time goes on.

Job 1 should be saving lives.

Let those with antibodies go back to work. Then the economy can move along without more health endangerment. People are not going to pick 'fix economy over lives,' restart economy while protecting the health.

My Dad told me that Trump aka a few companies got some there and more coming, but unfortunately it's still gonna be hard to keep up. NYC is going to be much much worse, as it's a much more confined area for like 8 million people. I'm about 10-15 miles just north of there, and it's not any prettier. The only benefit in NY is the amount of hospitals, of which there are tons. But ventilators are needed as much as beds, if not more. I know some folks are getting plain old oxygen tubes as well. But the numbers are increasing quickly, and the "peak" hasn't hit yet. And the numbers are increasing quickly in NYC and here in lower Westchester County. Many many more are starting to wear masks.


As much as I loathe his politics, I have to say that Cuomo is all over this and doing a good job. I get a kick out of his NY 'tough guy' phrasing and almost a mafia kind of cadence to his speech at times.

Jim does the same thing, and they're probably both completely unaware of it. Sharon loves hearing Jim talk because it reminds her of her childhood in New Jersey.

I try and type like an 'adult' on here mostly, but in live time I revert back to my usual NJ/NY dirtbag roots! A lot of people get a kick out of the NY/NJ talking. I am NOT one that talks like a hardcore NY'er from Brooklyn. I detest that accent myself. I didn't even think I have any type of accent at all, but ways of speaking and saying words for surely! Especially them bad ones! :thumb:

[Kathianne]

He is back to the flu, car accidents, and depression causes suicide. I do hope he's right, but I have my doubts. It could be genius, it could be disaster. He was at this point a little over a week ago; then seemed to care about lives; now he's back where he was. "Hey, people die of all sorts of things, we got to get back to work."

https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2020/03/24/breaking-trump-says-aiming-reopen-america-easter/


...By the way, at the same time this town hall took place, this bad news from Italy arrived. Looks like they’re not past the increase in deaths yet:

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Italy has reported an increase in deaths of coronavirus in the last 24 hours. Another 743 people have died as a result of coronavirus. At least 6,820 people have died in Italy so far. There are at least 69,176 confirmed case of coronavirus in the country. https://cnn.it/2Ux3IDI (https://t.co/WrnyOrGWOw)
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Italy coronavirus death toll rises by 743 in last dayItaly has reported an increase in deaths of coronavirus in the last 24 hours.
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It will be interesting to see what the message will be by the time Trump holds his presser this evening. Will they stick with this deadline, or will we see a walkback when the implications of this sink in with Trump’s advisers?
Let’s not forget, though, that governors control most of this process, including when businesses re-open. They may not be anywhere near as sanguine about their preparations — and they’ll be a lot closer to the situation.
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It's true about the governors and control of 'stay at home orders,' but if the President is calling those at home shirkers, unpatriotic, etc., his 'people' will flip off the governor or anyone that tries to stop them.

[NightTrain]

Yeah, I loathed him. then last week I caught one of his briefings, I was shocked by how much he seemed to know. Then he go along with Trump, whereas they'd been feuding just weeks ago-remember?

Yes, I do. I'm proud of both of them for putting aside vastly different political views and working together on this.


Today he's on Trump's shit list. He 'could have ordered ventilators two years ago for pandemic, he chose not to. Not the federal government's fault.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Trump was talking about de Blasio. De Blasio hasn't stopped his whining yet or shown any kind of leadership. If NYC is saved, it'll be due to Trump and Coumo's hard work and foresight.


Trump wants the country back to work. By Easter.

Not going to happen. I've been accused of being overly optimistic but this just isn't reasonable.

I understand where Trump is coming from and his dismay of watching his hard work erased in such a manner so quickly, but the economy will come roaring back - AFTER we have a handle on the damned virus.

He just needs to be patient and have faith.

[Kathianne]

Yes, I do. I'm proud of both of them for putting aside vastly different political views and working together on this.



I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Trump was talking about de Blasio. De Blasio hasn't stopped his whining yet or shown any kind of leadership. If NYC is saved, it'll be due to Trump and Coumo's hard work and foresight.



Not going to happen. I've been accused of being overly optimistic but this just isn't reasonable.

I understand where Trump is coming from and his dismay of watching his hard work erased in such a manner so quickly, but the economy will come roaring back - AFTER we have a handle on the damned virus.

He just needs to be patient and have faith.

He mentioned Cuomo by name. I heard that DeBlasio didn't fill out forms the other week, he's an idiot. This ventilator thing has to do with emergency preparedness coordination-governor.

I think Cuomo is panicking with the NYC numbers, they say apex hits in 14-21 days. He's not getting anything 'made' by that time. So, panic. Trump doesn't like being criticized, especially when he's trying to go back to his happier scenario.

Seriously Rick, I hope you're right and he can be talked back. I don't know, but it could be one of those 'things' that puts me back to a write in vote. Sort of laughing/crying. It's beyond reckless.

[NightTrain]

He mentioned Cuomo by name. I heard that DeBlasio didn't fill out forms the other week, he's an idiot. This ventilator thing has to do with emergency preparedness coordination-governor.

I'll have to go look. I'm pretty sure what Trump said is that de Blasio didn't order the equipment and Coumo will save the day because he was on top of things. Again, I may have misheard what was said.


I think Cuomo is panicking with the NYC numbers, they say apex hits in 14-21 days. He's not getting anything 'made' by that time. So, panic. Trump doesn't like being criticized, especially when he's trying to go back to his happier scenario.

I definitely detected panic with Coumo this morning, but if those numbers are correct, it's justified and there'd better be a lot of Cavalry headed that way right now.


Seriously Rick, I hope you're right and he can be talked back. I don't know, but it could be one of those 'things' that puts me back to a write in vote. Sort of laughing/crying. It's beyond reckless.

We live in interesting times and this is all new to everyone. This whole thing will be studied in depth for decades to come.

It's not unreasonable to see people getting frustrated, especially our leaders who are supposed to have answers to every scenario that pops up - this is all being figured out on the fly and the stakes literally couldn't be higher for all of us.

I can't imagine the stress, and it will continue 24/7 for the next few months without letup.

[Kathianne]

I'll have to go look. I'm pretty sure what Trump said is that de Blasio didn't order the equipment and Coumo will save the day because he was on top of things. Again, I may have misheard what was said.



I definitely detected panic with Coumo this morning, but if those numbers are correct, it's justified and there'd better be a lot of Cavalry headed that way right now.



We live in interesting times and this is all new to everyone. This whole thing will be studied in depth for decades to come.

It's not unreasonable to see people getting frustrated, especially our leaders who are supposed to have answers to every scenario that pops up - this is all being figured out on the fly and the stakes literally couldn't be higher for all of us.

I can't imagine the stress, and it will continue 24/7 for the next few months without letup.

I saw frustration in Trump for the past week, until yesterday. He was getting combative again, not angry. Today it was moreso. Bottom line, while being a business person has served him and the country very well, I do think in this case it's not helping. In a very real way, his personality is to take control, naysayers be damned. He's a big risk/big reward type of guy.

He can't force the governors to rescind any of their orders, but he can start to rally his base, most of whom would likely follow what he says.

Devel (sp) Patrick, lt. gov. of TX stated last night, he'd be willing to risk his own health/life, he's over 70, if the economy would be safe for his children/grandchildren.

[Kathianne]

Here's part of my issue with the President's presentation yesterday. He kept repeating, 'We've learned a lot during these closures, we know how to keep our distances and not shake hands." Okay.

Except:
even in NYC they've had problems with the parks.
Beaches
Exercise in crowds
Parties-https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2020/03/24/chicago-pd-break-parties-violation-stay-home-order/
family dinners-real popular in this area, what about yours? Remember that Italian family with I don't know how many eventually died? I knew at 4, but 3 siblings were still in intensive care then.
Now back to work in cubicles? Those folks are gonna wanna get hair done, go to the gym, and have a drink after work. ;) It's what we do.

[NightTrain]

Kathianne

Just watched the clip again, this time paying attention - and you're absolutely right!

Trump did take a swipe at Coumo, not de Blasio.

Hopefully this doesn't escalate... they're both feeling the pressure and a good round of punching each other is probably appealing today. Let's hope they both stay focused productively and cooperatively.

[Kathianne]

@Kathianne (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=8)

Just watched the clip again, this time paying attention - and you're absolutely right!

Trump did take a swipe at Coumo, not de Blasio.

Hopefully this doesn't escalate... they're both feeling the pressure and a good round of punching each other is probably appealing today. Let's hope they both stay focused productively and cooperatively.

I agree. I don't know for certain what either of these men are really like, just what is projected. I think Cuomo is in panic, as you said, for good reason. I think that Trump has made a decision, so he's back to form. He was not himself while trying to project what the medical folks and I'm sure other people he does respect were telling him he had to. The people liked it, especially those who are his core, but for good reason, feared this virus. It put their action in sync with what he was saying.

Even those who aren't fond of him, (understatement), were glad to see that he cared about the lives, (gotta remember what he'd said about those stuck on the cruise ship on the west coast a couple weeks ago.)

Now back to whiplash, though the numbers are not going down, but up.

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2020/3/20/21179040/coronavirus-us-italy-not-overreacting

I know it's Vox, but look at the sourcing.

Italy's population is only 60.5M. US is 300M.

[jimnyc]

Cuomo and Trump have both sent some jabs to one another. But then they still hop on the phone and get shit done, and then congratulate one another. Now deBlasio, that's a different ballgame. He takes jabs at Trump, but differently, and calls for insanity and stupidity and some contrary to Cuomo and others. And of course has been declaring Trump has already killed people all along... and of course is more concerned with liberal agendas, and always has been. He's been absolutely horrible in NYC and has been since day one. Argumentative like that with many, his way or the highway and then you get condemned anyway.

If I still worked in NYC like I did for many years, I would look for work elsewhere. And we almost moved in an apt there once and came close to purchasing a condo. Looking back, that would have been a mistake, and more than just deBlasio. I could list endless things about him that make me wanna punch him in his face, but the majority is local type issues that no one on the right would come close to agreeing with, nor would anyone even leaning right, nor would the majority of moderates! In my opinion of course.

Cuomo isn't someone I would ever vote for and still wouldn't. Can't stand so much about the man and his policies and agendas. But he has still done a fantastic job thus far with taking the reigns over this virus. He is a hard worker like Trump, where he'll work 21 hours a day. I think he's done a stand up job in controlling things and getting things done. And I appreciate being updated with the news as often as we get it. I also subscribed to his updates and I get emails "from" Cuomo with daily updates.

What needs to be done know is 100% concentration on this virus and all things related to this virus. I think Cuomo has done a great job of that. deBlasio, like some others out there, have unfortunately taken the path of letting their politics dictate their responses to this.

[jimnyc]

Other threads, but this one as good as any for today! LOL Since these are New York related...

I honestly am a little nervous about this and growing. I'm just scared that if I get this dang thing that I'll be one that needs a ventilator - but I'll end up laying in a hallway somewhere like I see in other countries! yikeys.

To start with tho - there are now saying it can stay on surfaces up to 17 days?????

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Coronavirus Update: Cuomo Says Rate Of Virus Spread Has Increased, ‘We’re Not Slowing It’

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — Gov. Andrew Cuomo said the rate of increase of coronavirus cases in New York has grown, and the rate of new infections is doubling every three days.

“That is a dramatic increase in the rate of infection,” Cuomo said. “We’re not slowing it, and it is accelerating it on its own.”

Cuomo says new projections suggest New York will now need up to 140,000 hospital beds, and has a current capacity of roughly 53,000 beds.

The governor spoke surrounded by supplies that are shipping out to area hospitals and in the presence of National Guard mobilized to meet the health crisis.

There will be a need for 40,000 ICU beds with ventilators, well more than the state’s current capacity of approximately 3,000-4,000.

The peak of the pandemic in New York is now 14-21 days away, Cuomo said.

“One of the forecasters said to me we were looking at a freight train coming across the country. We are now looking at a bullet train,” he said.

Rest - https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/03/24/coronavirus-update-cuomo-returns-to-javits-center-amid-plans-to-convert-it-into-fema-hospital/


Cuomo: Coronavirus spreading like ‘bullet train’ in NY as cases top 25,000

Gov. Andrew Cuomo issued a blistering assessment of Washington’s handling of the coronavirus pandemic Tuesday — with over 25,000 New Yorkers now ill, more than 200 dead and the sickness’ spread accelerating like a “bullet train.”

Cuomo tore into President Trump and the Federal Emergency Management Agency’s vow to send 400 ventilators to New York — a sliver of the 30,000 it’s anticipated the state will need.

“You want a pat on the back for sending 400 ventilators?” asked a visibly angered Cuomo in a press briefing at the Javits Center, currently being converted to a 2,000-bed hospital complex. “What are we going to do with 400 ventilators?

“You pick the 26,000 people who are going to die,” said Cuomo — so incensed that he misstated the 29,600 New Yorkers who would actually be left without the life-saving equipment.

Cuomo’s anger boiled over as the pandemic put New York’s back against the wall — officials faced a continuing flood of cases that now stands at 25,665 in the state and 14,904 in the city. The death toll reached 210.

“People say, politicians say. I look at actions, not words,” fumed Cuomo. “They’re doing the supplies? Here’s my question. Where are they?

Rest - https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/cuomo-coronavirus-spreading-like-bullet-train-in-ny-as-cases-top-25000/

[Kathianne]

Other threads, but this one as good as any for today! LOL Since these are New York related...

I honestly am a little nervous about this and growing. I'm just scared that if I get this dang thing that I'll be one that needs a ventilator - but I'll end up laying in a hallway somewhere like I see in other countries! yikeys.

To start with tho - there are now saying it can stay on surfaces up to 17 days?????

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Coronavirus Update: Cuomo Says Rate Of Virus Spread Has Increased, ‘We’re Not Slowing It’

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — Gov. Andrew Cuomo said the rate of increase of coronavirus cases in New York has grown, and the rate of new infections is doubling every three days.

“That is a dramatic increase in the rate of infection,” Cuomo said. “We’re not slowing it, and it is accelerating it on its own.”

Cuomo says new projections suggest New York will now need up to 140,000 hospital beds, and has a current capacity of roughly 53,000 beds.

The governor spoke surrounded by supplies that are shipping out to area hospitals and in the presence of National Guard mobilized to meet the health crisis.

There will be a need for 40,000 ICU beds with ventilators, well more than the state’s current capacity of approximately 3,000-4,000.

The peak of the pandemic in New York is now 14-21 days away, Cuomo said.

“One of the forecasters said to me we were looking at a freight train coming across the country. We are now looking at a bullet train,” he said.

Rest - https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/03/24/coronavirus-update-cuomo-returns-to-javits-center-amid-plans-to-convert-it-into-fema-hospital/


Cuomo: Coronavirus spreading like ‘bullet train’ in NY as cases top 25,000

Gov. Andrew Cuomo issued a blistering assessment of Washington’s handling of the coronavirus pandemic Tuesday — with over 25,000 New Yorkers now ill, more than 200 dead and the sickness’ spread accelerating like a “bullet train.”

Cuomo tore into President Trump and the Federal Emergency Management Agency’s vow to send 400 ventilators to New York — a sliver of the 30,000 it’s anticipated the state will need.

“You want a pat on the back for sending 400 ventilators?” asked a visibly angered Cuomo in a press briefing at the Javits Center, currently being converted to a 2,000-bed hospital complex. “What are we going to do with 400 ventilators?

“You pick the 26,000 people who are going to die,” said Cuomo — so incensed that he misstated the 29,600 New Yorkers who would actually be left without the life-saving equipment.

Cuomo’s anger boiled over as the pandemic put New York’s back against the wall — officials faced a continuing flood of cases that now stands at 25,665 in the state and 14,904 in the city. The death toll reached 210.

“People say, politicians say. I look at actions, not words,” fumed Cuomo. “They’re doing the supplies? Here’s my question. Where are they?

Rest - https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/cuomo-coronavirus-spreading-like-bullet-train-in-ny-as-cases-top-25000/
I posted a link that John Hopkins data, showing that currently NYs trend is like Italy. Hoping the stay at home kicks in sooner than later.

[FakeNewsSux]

So Cuomo is all pissed off that Pres. Trump doesn't give him everything he needs as soon as he demands them. I wonder what he was up to a week before Pres. Trump placed a travel ban on China to try and protect the citizens of this country from COVID-19?:


Cuomo proposes 3 percent tax on new medical facilities

Many health care firms looking to erect new medical facilities face a fat tax hike under Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s $178-billion budget plan (https://nypost.com/2020/01/21/gov-andrew-cuomo-to-unveil-2020-new-york-state-budget-amid-6b-deficit/).
The proposal will slap health care providers with a new 3 percent surcharge — on top of the current .55 percent fee — to win Albany’s OK to construct new hospital facilities, nursing homes, diagnostic treatment centers, ambulatory surgery centers and other clinics
Cuomo is trying to close a projected $6 billion shortfall in his spending plan (https://nypost.com/2020/01/21/gov-andrew-cuomo-to-unveil-2020-new-york-state-budget-amid-6b-deficit/), and the proposal is an effort to generate $70 million in revenue.
Firms seeking to start or open new medical facilities cannot do so unless a “certificate of need” application is approved by the state Health Department.
But health care advocates and analysts said the 3 percent surcharge is a sick tax that should be rejected.
“This does not seem to be fully thought through. In the Public Health Law, ‘hospital’ is a broad term that includes not only things we ordinarily call hospitals, but also community health centers, clinics, nursing homes, etc,” said Assembly Health Committee Chairman Richard Gottfried (D-Manhattan).
https://nypost.com/2020/01/26/cuomo-proposes-3-percent-tax-on-new-medical-facilities/



https://youtu.be/WBYEalkWNag

https://medium.com/concentrated-benefits/how-state-certificate-of-need-con-laws-impact-access-to-health-care-b8d3ec84242f

[NightTrain]

So Cuomo is all pissed off that Pres. Trump doesn't give him everything he needs as soon as he demands them. I wonder what he was up to a week before Pres. Trump placed a travel ban on China to try and protect the citizens of this country from COVID-19?:


Good info, Fakey. I was unaware of CON laws... and what a silly idea. It's known that competition drives prices down and spurs creativity.

And a 3% tax on medical care is pretty draconian - that's going to be passed on to the patients and insurance who are already feeling the sting from the event.

My deceased younger brother racked up over a million dollars in under 3 weeks in ICU back in 2014... medical costs these days are staggering.

[FakeNewsSux]

The politics of the Party of Cuomo/DeBlasio (Wilhelm) have come back to bite them in the ass. The precious, anointed homeless population are playing the same role as those flea infested rats of Europe in the Dark Ages. Where do homeless people shelter in place anyway? :

Coronavirus in NY: 30 people in homeless shelters test positivehttps://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2020/03/homeless-coronavirus-91.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=618&h=410&crop=1

The number of homeless individuals in New York City’s crammed shelter system infected with the coronavirus exploded to 30 from just a single case (https://nypost.com/2020/03/18/woman-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-at-city-homeless-shelter/) reported last week – with one being referred from the equally stressed public hospital network.
One of the homeless people who tested positive was sent to a shelter by a public hospital because the person exhibited only mild symptoms and was not deemed sick enough to be admitted, a Department of Homeless official said.
The hospital referral was first reported (https://thecity.nyc/2020/03/nyc-hospitals-send-homeless-who-have-coronavirus-to-shelters.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebutton) by The City.
Anticipating a massive increase of infected shelter residents, DHS has identified 500 isolated units in the system that can be used to quarantine its clients. These units will be located in facilities separate from the regular homeless population, said spokesman Isaac McGinn.
The 30 COVID-19 cases were identified across 22 shelter locations. The sprawling shelter system serves 58,000 homeless individuals at 450 sites.
Eight of the infected shelter residents were ill enough to be hospitalized, 10 are quarantined in separate locations, seven are “self-isolating” in their own units and five have left the shelter system, McGinn said.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/coronavirus-in-ny-30-people-in-homeless-shelters-test-positive/?utm_source=whatfinger

[Kathianne]

3/25/20

Cuomo says that the numbers appear to be slowing, though still rising. Instead of hospital admissions continuing to double every 2 days, it's up to over 3 days. Again, the 'stay at home order,' hasn't been in effect that long.

So, we wait and see. Still hard to say that it's truly cause and effect.

[Drummond]

More generalised commenting, here, from a foreigner ....

The BBC relayed some of Cuomo's Press briefing. We heard his speech about New York being other cities' future. It was a warning all of your politicians need to heed. Especially Trump, who (again, as the BBC is relaying, and adding its own commentary to !) is apparently expecting America to have turned a corner by Easter, enough to 'open up the country' .. ?

The BBC's coverage had an American scientist come on air for a Skype interview ... and this scientist was as forthright as you could possibly imagine in his views about how wrong-headed that all was.

Of course, since that's the BBC's own broadcast, you could expect them to trawl around for the strongest criticism available against Trump (we've seen street interview after street interview of 'ordinary' Americans who have only bad things to say about Trump ... usually including one Trump backer, who 'amazingly' comes across as less articulate, etc ..). But in this case, whether or not it was anti-Trump weighted ... I think the scientist is right.

Italy seems to be a Covid-19 trend template. I'm sure most of America will mirror it, assuming that isolations don't skew matters. We're sure that London is, and London is 2-3 weeks behind Italy. We're expecting a steep rise in both infections and deaths, starting right now.

But as for Trump ... I'm disappointed. He does appear not to be comprehending the reality of Covid-19's capacity for harm. I think that the 'high risk strategy' dynamic businessman methodology Trump may have employed elsewhere in other circumstances, cannot be safely applied here ! I don't think Covid-19 is aiming to do a deal !

I hope Trump can learn and 'wise up'. Because if not, if he really has more of a regard for the US economy than human life (the BBC's chosen viewpoint, from what I've seen) ... well ......... :shitfan::shitfan:

[jimnyc]

Comparisons from around the nation give you and idea just how bad it is here in NY.

16,000 approx cases in NYC and 4,000 here in Westchester - not even counting the rest of the state.

The state as a whole has 26,000+ cases all as of yesterday.

The next closest is NJ with 3700+
Cali 2700


... I just copy paste them below to show you the difference between NY and the rest of the nation. We have more cases in just my local county than every other state!!

26,376 confirmed New York US

3,675 confirmed New Jersey US

2,628 confirmed California US

2,472 confirmed Washington US

1,793 confirmed Michigan US

1,537 confirmed Illinois US

1,467 confirmed Florida US

1,388 confirmed Louisiana US

1,159 confirmed Massachusetts US

[Kathianne]

Comparisons from around the nation give you and idea just how bad it is here in NY.

16,000 approx cases in NYC and 4,000 here in Westchester - not even counting the rest of the state.

The state as a whole has 26,000+ cases all as of yesterday.

The next closest is NJ with 3700+
Cali 2700


... I just copy paste them below to show you the difference between NY and the rest of the nation. We have more cases in just my local county than every other state!!

26,376 confirmed New York US

3,675 confirmed New Jersey US

2,628 confirmed California US

2,472 confirmed Washington US

1,793 confirmed Michigan US

1,537 confirmed Illinois US

1,467 confirmed Florida US

1,388 confirmed Louisiana US

1,159 confirmed Massachusetts US

and there's no reason for anyone to doubt that other areas will follow in a percentage way. It started it's hard drive in NY, but is not finished.

[jimnyc]

and there's no reason for anyone to doubt that other areas will follow in a percentage way. It started its hard drive in NY, but is not finished.

I don't venture much right now. Dunkin Donuts still open, but I'll gladly drink at home. Grocery stores getting less and less people, but I wear my gloves in there for anything I touch or the buttons on way out. Other than that, the local gas station is open for folks to get gas, and their garage is open too. The poor senior mechanic is still stuck in Italy where he went to visit his sick Mom last month. Frank is a GREAT Italian guy, who u can barely understand, but I love him to death!! I pray he comes back OK.

But Westchester is bad. We may not have the numbers of NYC, but "Lower Westchester" where I live is hit hard, and I'm afraid going up since it doubled 2 days ago. And it's made me more and more nervous, and less and less activity.

[Kathianne]

I don't venture much right now. Dunkin Donuts still open, but I'll gladly drink at home. Grocery stores getting less and less people, but I wear my gloves in there for anything I touch or the buttons on way out. Other than that, the local gas station is open for folks to get gas, and their garage is open too. The poor senior mechanic is still stuck in Italy where he went to visit his sick Mom last month. Frank is a GREAT Italian guy, who u can barely understand, but I love him to death!! I pray he comes back OK.

But Westchester is bad. We may not have the numbers of NYC, but "Lower Westchester" where I live is hit hard, and I'm afraid going up since it doubled 2 days ago. And it's made me more and more nervous, and less and less activity.

I think it's important to give the panicky feelings some rest. Meditate, pray, sing, whatever calms and takes your mind away for a bit.

[jimnyc]

I think it's important to give the panicky feelings some rest. Meditate, pray, sing, whatever calms and takes your mind away for a bit.

When I am home I'm in my sanctuary zone. Up here in my computer room aka bacterial cesspool - My own little world that no one dares enter. I get plenty of relaxation in here. :)

It's when I venture out or if I spend hours reading the news. But I feel like I "have to" to stay up to date, know all the details. I like to hit like 45 different websites if I can for my news. Guaranteed to get it all that way and from various angles!

But I do have medical fears, have for quite a few years now. I think it started with them horrid withdrawals years back. So now I never want off of my medications until I die. Told my Doc that too! And I don't have necessarily a fear of death, but I surely don't want to die! But my brother in Georgia isn't in the best of health... has emphysema and still smokes and major back problems and lots of medications. And then my Dad in Florida, who is now 84 I think? Obviously not one who wants to get this. So a lot of nerves all the way around on this one.

[Kathianne]

When I am home I'm in my sanctuary zone. Up here in my computer room aka bacterial cesspool - My own little world that no one dares enter. I get plenty of relaxation in here. :)

It's when I venture out or if I spend hours reading the news. But I feel like I "have to" to stay up to date, know all the details. I like to hit like 45 different websites if I can for my news. Guaranteed to get it all that way and from various angles!

But I do have medical fears, have for quite a few years now. I think it started with them horrid withdrawals years back. So now I never want off of my medications until I die. Told my Doc that too! And I don't have necessarily a fear of death, but I surely don't want to die! But my brother in Georgia isn't in the best of health... has emphysema and still smokes and major back problems and lots of medications. And then my Dad in Florida, who is now 84 I think? Obviously not one who wants to get this. So a lot of nerves all the way around on this one.

Prayers for them. I tend to read, but can't say that lately it's been relaxing. LOL!

[jimnyc]

Prayers for them. I tend to read, but can't say that lately it's been relaxing. LOL!

Thank you, Kath! I know Jeff says hello to everyone here, always asks about everyone! Dad doesn't though. :thumb:

[Kathianne]

Thank you, Kath! I know Jeff says hello to everyone here, always asks about everyone! Dad doesn't though. :thumb:
Tell Jeff, "Hi!" He's missed. Tell your dad, "Hi!" just to keep him on his toes! ;)

[jimnyc]

Tell Jeff, "Hi!" He's missed. Tell your dad, "Hi!" just to keep him on his toes! ;)

His computer died a few years back and that was the end of DP for him. I try to coax him to stop in quickly every now and again, even if on his phone, but no dice. Maybe his fat fingers won't let him. :)

Jeff I think is 58 now? I think he was born in 1962, then Janeen in 1966 followed by John in 1967 - and then then finally got it right and created perfection with me in 1968 and no more kids. :)

I'm glad Joanie isn't here to deal with this, now that would make me sick. But she too would be out of work and I would go get her and bring her here. But she obviously had health issues and likely wouldn't have beat this if she got it, due to heart and lung issues.

[jimnyc]

A shame that some actions need to be taken instead of folks just listening. Too many younger folks simply don't care about others.

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New York City weighs closing parks, playgrounds and streets to enforce social distancing, Gov. Cuomo says

Gov. Andrew Cuomo plans to close some streets in New York City and may close parks and playgrounds to contain the coronavirus outbreak by reducing density.

State and local officials are taking a tougher stance because city residents aren’t following the state’s guidance encouraging people to maintain a distance of at least six feet from each other, he said.

“The plan is going to pilot closing streets in New York City because we have much less traffic in New York City. We have many fewer vehicles in New York City. Open streets,” by opening the streets, fewer people will congregate in the parks, he said in a press conference Wednesday. “People want to walk. They want to go out and get some air. You want a less dense area, so pilot closing streets to cars, opening streets to pedestrians.”

New York is the hardest-hit state in the country, with the number of cases doubling about every three days.

Rest - https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/25/coronavirus-new-york-city-weighs-closing-parks-playgrounds-and-streets-to-enforce-social-distancing-gov-cuomo-says.html

[Kathianne]

A shame that some actions need to be taken instead of folks just listening. Too many younger folks simply don't care about others.

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New York City weighs closing parks, playgrounds and streets to enforce social distancing, Gov. Cuomo says

Gov. Andrew Cuomo plans to close some streets in New York City and may close parks and playgrounds to contain the coronavirus outbreak by reducing density.

State and local officials are taking a tougher stance because city residents aren’t following the state’s guidance encouraging people to maintain a distance of at least six feet from each other, he said.

“The plan is going to pilot closing streets in New York City because we have much less traffic in New York City. We have many fewer vehicles in New York City. Open streets,” by opening the streets, fewer people will congregate in the parks, he said in a press conference Wednesday. “People want to walk. They want to go out and get some air. You want a less dense area, so pilot closing streets to cars, opening streets to pedestrians.”

New York is the hardest-hit state in the country, with the number of cases doubling about every three days.

Rest - https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/25/coronavirus-new-york-city-weighs-closing-parks-playgrounds-and-streets-to-enforce-social-distancing-gov-cuomo-says.html

There are always stupid people. Those putting others at risk should be forced to be together. They want natural rights, let them return.

[icansayit]

It appears the writing is on the wall over Cuomo now. Betcha he's doing all of this Constant TV stuff with an ulterior motive!!

Betcha he's gonna run against Sleepy Joe, and get the Nomination at the Democrat Convention!

I DON'T have any money to Bet on this, but he's been on tv more than the President, and the Corona Docs.

Let's ask Joe? https://www.commondreams.org/sites/default/files/further/forgot_2_erqzfzsw4ayvayd.jpg

[jimnyc]

It appears the writing is on the wall over Cuomo now. Betcha he's doing all of this Constant TV stuff with an ulterior motive!!

Betcha he's gonna run against Sleepy Joe, and get the Nomination at the Democrat Convention!

I DON'T have any money to Bet on this, but he's been on tv more than the President, and the Corona Docs.



He very well may be but I would bet 2024, along with some other new cretins.

[Kathianne]

and yes, we're not the only ones discussing:

https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2020/03/25/thought-experiment-dnc-dump-biden-draft-andrew-cuomo/


...

So it’s technically possible to do at the convention or even later if Biden agrees to drop out or otherwise can’t continue. But both paths are complicated could lead to even worse results for the Democrats if things go totally pear-shaped on them.


The last thing I’ll offer is a warning to Democrats that Cuomo’s moment in the sun recently doesn’t erase his very problematic past, so even if they were inclined to tank Uncle Joe, they might want to consider someone else. Let’s not forget that there are more skeletons in Cuomo’s closet than in your average Halloween haunted house. During his time as governor, Cuomo has been involved in so many campaign finance, fundraising and appropriation scandals that books could be written on the subject. So many of his associates, cronies and former aides are either currently in prison or avoided jail time with plea deals on things like bid-rigging that they could start their own prison baseball team. Others were convicted of bribing judges and one of his longest-serving aides who he frequently described as being “more like a brother” got six years for lining his own pockets out of a massive, failed “stimulus” scheme known as the Buffalo Billion.


Somehow, despite all of the corruption that’s been dredged up in the Cuomo administration, the Governor himself has always somehow managed to slip the noose and not be hauled in front of a judge himself. Granted, if he suddenly became the nominee, I have no doubt that CNN, MSNBC, the New York Times and the Washington Post would do their best to provide cover for him and rarely if ever, mention any of these stories. But there would be Trump advertising fodder aplenty and the word would eventually get out. That’s why I don’t think Cuomo would survive a prolonged, hard-fought campaign. The only way he might be able to win would be in a very short, ambush-style race where he showed up as the nominee at the last minute and raced to the finish line before the opposition had a chance to catch their breath.

[NightTrain]

It appears the writing is on the wall over Cuomo now. Betcha he's doing all of this Constant TV stuff with an ulterior motive!!

Betcha he's gonna run against Sleepy Joe, and get the Nomination at the Democrat Convention!

I DON'T have any money to Bet on this, but he's been on tv more than the President, and the Corona Docs.

Let's ask Joe? https://www.commondreams.org/sites/default/files/further/forgot_2_erqzfzsw4ayvayd.jpg

No, Biden's got this locked down. The only person that the DNC could throw it to now is Bernie, and there's no way in hell they'd do that.

The only other alternative would be if Biden suddenly completed his dementia swan dive publicly - which is becoming more likely - and nominating his VP instead.

The VP that the DNC inserts is the one they really want to be President. That choice isn't Joe's to make anymore, that right was signed over to the DNC when they rescued his campaign by forcing the others out and endorsing him.

If you've watched any Biden clips lately, they're sad. He's clearly senile or suffering from dementia and it really is elder abuse. Yet, his wife and the DNC continue with this because they desperately don't want Bernie to sink the lot of them. It will be when it's too close to the election to change candidates when they put in the VP.

[FakeNewsSux]

STUNNING! Cuomo Refused to Invest in More Ventilators for Pandemics – Instead Invested in Boondoggle Solar Panel Farm

As reported earlier New York Governor Andrew Cuomo dismissed purchasing emergency ventilators for the state in case of a pandemic. Instead the Cuomo administration organized a medical panel in the state to design a color-coded system to label patients on who would receive the ventilator during a pandemic.The TGP report written by contributor Kristinn Taylor was based on a column published earlier this month (http://betsymccaughey.com/we-didnt-have-to-have-ventilator-shortage-leaders-chose-not-to-prep-for-pandemic/) by the esteemed former New York Lieutenant Governor Betsy McCaughey (who served under Governor George Pataki), a February report by the New York Times and a 2015 press release by the Cuomo administration.

And we also discovered evidence from a New York State Health Department important report (https://www.health.ny.gov/regulations/task_force/reports_publications/docs/ventilator_guidelines.pdf) on why the decision was made to reject purchasing emergency ventilators.
The extra ventilators were not purchased due to funding concerns.
Page 30 of 272 pages.
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The Cuomo Administration rejected the purchase of the ventilators and as The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus.html) reported they focused on lotteries and death panels instead.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/ny-times-quote-ventillators-600x169.jpg
Real Clear Politics (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/03/18/new_yorks_ventilator_rationing_plan_142685.html) reported:
At its most severe, coronavirus attacks the lungs, making it impossible to breathe without a ventilator. Landing in the hospital on a ventilator is bad. But worse is being told you can’t have one. After learning that the state’s stockpile of medical equipment had 16,000 fewer ventilators than New Yorkers would need in a severe pandemic, Gov. Andrew Cuomo came to a fork in the road in 2015. He could have chosen to buy more ventilators. Instead, he asked his health commissioner, Howard Zucker to assemble a task force and draft rules for rationing the ventilators they already had.
That task force came up with rules that will be imposed when ventilators run short. Patients assigned a red code will have the highest access, and other patients will be assigned green, yellow or blue (the worst) depending on a “triage officer’s” decision. In truth, a death officer. Let’s not sugarcoat it. It won’t be up to your own doctor.
Cuomo could have purchased the additional 16,000 needed ventilators for $36,000 apiece or a total of $576 million in 2015. It’s a lot of money but less than the $750 million he threw away on a boondoggle “Buffalo Billion” solar panel factory. When it comes to state budget priorities, spending half a percent of the budget on ventilators is a no brainer.
Now the pandemic is actually here. Cuomo’s grim reaper rules will be applied. New York City’s deputy commissioner for disease control Demetre Daskalakis is anticipating “some very serious difficult decisions.” So far, in New York City, 1 out of every 4 people with a confirmed case has been hospitalized, and 44% of them have needed a ventilator.

In January The New York Post (https://nypost.com/2019/02/15/worse-than-amazon-cuomos-buffalo-billion-just-went-bust/) reported on Governor Cuomo’s Buffalo Bust.

http://thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/stunning-cuomo-refused-to-invest-in-more-ventilators-for-pandemics-instead-invested-in-boondoggle-solar-panel-farm/?utm_source=whatfinger