jimnyc
03-20-2020, 01:43 PM
I wanted to keep a list of them now as things fluctuate and become more clear. Luckily that number went down and not up, but still bad!
It was all bad at first, and then the desire to talk down by some for whatever reason, and we got a lot of talk and articles about the cold and maybe less than the flu - even though people were croaking and obviously it was spreading. But then the news of the 3.4% and my Ebay and Amazon purchases went up that day! I figured the elderly were in the fu%$ed up area of an endless stream of deaths. But made me much more concerned for myself as well!
And although things went down considerably - they ARE also very HIGH compared to the flu!
In fact, to reiterate what I said earlier - I'm not sure having comparisons is a great thing. This is something IN ADDITION to the flu. And now as more info comes out, it's become increasingly obvious that it's much deadlier than the flu.
Now these are all fairly recent and yet still different still. BUT all coming together slowly now. Only going to focus on the rates in these articles.
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What is coronavirus – how did it start and what is the mortality rate?
Covid-19 essential guide: how is it different from the seasonal flu, can you pick it up from public transport and how sick will I get?
What do we know about the virus now?
The Covid-19 virus is a member of the coronavirus family that made the jump from animals to humans late last year. Many of those initially infected either worked or frequently shopped in the Huanan seafood wholesale market in the centre of the Chinese city of Wuhan. Unusually for a virus that has made the jump from one species to another, it appears to transmit effectively in humans – current estimates show that without strong containment measures the average person who catches Covid-19 will pass it on to two others. The virus also appears to have a higher mortality rate than common illnesses such as seasonal flu. The combination of coronavirus’s ability to spread and cause serious illness has prompted many countries, including the UK, to introduce or plan extensive public health measures aimed at containing and limiting the impact of the epidemic.
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How can you tell the difference between flu and Covid-19?
The coronavirus outbreak hit amid flu season in the northern hemisphere and even doctors can struggle to distinguish between the two – the overlap in symptoms probably contributed to slow detection of community infections in some countries, including Italy.
Typical flu symptoms, which normally come on quickly, include a high fever, sore throat, muscle aches, headaches, shivers, runny or stuffy nose, fatigue and, more occasionally, vomiting and diarrhoea. Doctors are still working to understand the full scope of symptoms and severity for Covid-19, but early studies of patients taken to hospital found nearly all of them developed a fever and dry cough, and many had fatigue and muscle aches. Pneumonia (lung infection) is common in coronavirus patients, even outside the most severe cases, and this can lead to breathing difficulties. A runny nose and sore throat are far less common, reported by just 5% of patients. The only real confirmation of having Covid-19 is taking a test though.
...
What is the mortality rate of the new coronavirus?
It is probably about or a bit less than 1%. Much higher figures have been flying about, but the chief medical officer, Chris Whitty, is one of those who believes it will prove to be 1% or lower. The World Health Organization’s director general, Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, talked of 3.4%, but his figure was calculated by dividing the number of deaths by the number of officially confirmed cases. We know there are many more mild cases that do not get to hospital and are not being counted, which would bring the mortality rate significantly down.
Deaths are highest in the elderly, with very low rates among younger people, although medical staff who treat patients and get exposed to a lot of virus are thought to be more at risk. But even among the over-80s, 90% will recover.
Rest - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/20/what-is-coronavirus-how-did-it-start-and-what-is-the-mortality-rate
Coronavirus Death Rate in Wuhan Lower Than Initial Estimates, New Study Finds
The rate in the Chinese city, where the virus originated, was 1.4% at end-February, a few percentage points lower than other estimates
The death rate from the new coronavirus may have been lower than previously believed in the city in China where it originated, according to a new study, offering a hopeful sign for other parts of the world.
The study, published Thursday in the journal Nature Medicine, found that the death rate among people who had symptoms was 1.4% in Wuhan, China, as of Feb. 29.
Rest - https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-death-rate-in-wuhan-lower-than-initial-estimates-new-study-finds-11584663474
Dissecting Germany's low coronavirus death rate
As the number of confirmed coronavirus cases continues to rise across Europe, the figures in Germany have experts scratching their heads.
Despite being among the countries hardest hit by the pandemic, Germany has recorded an astonishingly low number of deaths in comparison to its European neighbors.
The latest official figures published by the disease control agency Robert Koch Institute (RKI) on Thursday showed 10,999 confirmed infections, 20 of whom had died.
That is a mortality rate of just 0.18 percent, significantly lower than that of China (4 percent), Britain (3.9 percent), France (2.9 percent) and Italy (8.3 percent).
It’s difficult to disentangle," admitted Richard Pebody of the World Health Organization (WHO) on Tuesday.
Rest - https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2020/03/20/dissecting-germanys-low-coronavirus-death-rate.html
If I become infected with the coronavirus, what are my odds of survival?
SINGAPORE — Left unchecked, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 could infect billions of people. By one estimate, up to 70% of the world’s population may contract the disease.
That means there’s an excellent chance that, sooner or later, you will be one of them.
The World Health Organization said 14% of people known to have COVID-19 develop symptoms severe enough to require hospitalization and oxygen support. But calculating the odds of survival in the early stages of the pandemic is imprecise.
The disease’s fatality rate, which compares the number of people with confirmed cases of COVID-19 to the number of people who have died from it, has fluctuated between 0.9% and 3.4% depending on the latest available data. None of them are truly accurate, however, since health officials have no idea how many people have been infected but weren’t sick enough to warrant medical attention and be counted.
“The full burden of disease is not understood until there is time to breathe and analyze the data,” said Gene Olinger, an immunologist with the Maryland-based scientific institute MRIGlobal.
Rest - https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-03-19/coronavirus-odds-of-survival
Why Covid-19 is worse than the flu, in one chart
It’s more contagious, more deadly (particularly for older people), and it has a greater potential to overwhelm our health care system.
A question we keep hearing about the Covid-19 pandemic: Isn’t this disease a lot like the flu?
A quick unambiguous answer: No, this is not like the seasonal flu. It is worse.
Yes, some of the symptoms of Covid-19 resemble flu — especially fever and coughs. But this virus is worse for the destruction it may cause, not only in human lives, but to our society.
https://i.imgur.com/pZyM0D3.png
...
All the reasons Covid-19 is worse than the flu
While the exact death rate is not yet clear, the evidence so far does show the disease kills a larger proportion of people than the flu (and it’s particularly lethal for people older than 80).
It also has a higher potential to overwhelm our health care system and hurt people with other illnesses.
Currently, there is no vaccine to combat it, nor any approved therapeutics to slow the course of its toll on the human body. (Doctors can treat cytokine storm syndrome, an immune response that may in some cases be dealing the fatal blow to those dying of Covid-19.)
Rest - https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2020/3/18/21184992/coronavirus-covid-19-flu-comparison-chart
Study: Coronavirus death rate lower than initially thought
A new study published in Nature Medicine calculated people with the coronavirus in Wuhan had a 1.4 percent likelihood of dying.
Previous estimates ranged from 2 percent to 3.4 percent.
The study comes as China reports no new locally transmitted cases of the coronavirus.
China has confirmed more than 81,000 cases with more than 3,200 deaths.
As China reports no new locally transmitted cases of the novel coronavirus for the first time since the outbreak began last year, a new study claims the death toll in Wuhan from COVID-19 is lower than initially thought.
The research published in Nature Medicine Thursday found people with the coronavirus in the Chinese city of Wuhan, where the virus is believed to have originated, had a 1.4 percent likelihood of dying, far lower than some of the previous estimates.
At the beginning of March, the World Health Organization (WHO) put the mortality rate of the novel coronavirus at around 3.4 percent of confirmed cases. The number is also well below the death rate for Wuhan based on simply dividing the number of deaths by cases.
Rest - https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/488456-study-coronavirus-death-rate-lower-than
It was all bad at first, and then the desire to talk down by some for whatever reason, and we got a lot of talk and articles about the cold and maybe less than the flu - even though people were croaking and obviously it was spreading. But then the news of the 3.4% and my Ebay and Amazon purchases went up that day! I figured the elderly were in the fu%$ed up area of an endless stream of deaths. But made me much more concerned for myself as well!
And although things went down considerably - they ARE also very HIGH compared to the flu!
In fact, to reiterate what I said earlier - I'm not sure having comparisons is a great thing. This is something IN ADDITION to the flu. And now as more info comes out, it's become increasingly obvious that it's much deadlier than the flu.
Now these are all fairly recent and yet still different still. BUT all coming together slowly now. Only going to focus on the rates in these articles.
--
What is coronavirus – how did it start and what is the mortality rate?
Covid-19 essential guide: how is it different from the seasonal flu, can you pick it up from public transport and how sick will I get?
What do we know about the virus now?
The Covid-19 virus is a member of the coronavirus family that made the jump from animals to humans late last year. Many of those initially infected either worked or frequently shopped in the Huanan seafood wholesale market in the centre of the Chinese city of Wuhan. Unusually for a virus that has made the jump from one species to another, it appears to transmit effectively in humans – current estimates show that without strong containment measures the average person who catches Covid-19 will pass it on to two others. The virus also appears to have a higher mortality rate than common illnesses such as seasonal flu. The combination of coronavirus’s ability to spread and cause serious illness has prompted many countries, including the UK, to introduce or plan extensive public health measures aimed at containing and limiting the impact of the epidemic.
...
How can you tell the difference between flu and Covid-19?
The coronavirus outbreak hit amid flu season in the northern hemisphere and even doctors can struggle to distinguish between the two – the overlap in symptoms probably contributed to slow detection of community infections in some countries, including Italy.
Typical flu symptoms, which normally come on quickly, include a high fever, sore throat, muscle aches, headaches, shivers, runny or stuffy nose, fatigue and, more occasionally, vomiting and diarrhoea. Doctors are still working to understand the full scope of symptoms and severity for Covid-19, but early studies of patients taken to hospital found nearly all of them developed a fever and dry cough, and many had fatigue and muscle aches. Pneumonia (lung infection) is common in coronavirus patients, even outside the most severe cases, and this can lead to breathing difficulties. A runny nose and sore throat are far less common, reported by just 5% of patients. The only real confirmation of having Covid-19 is taking a test though.
...
What is the mortality rate of the new coronavirus?
It is probably about or a bit less than 1%. Much higher figures have been flying about, but the chief medical officer, Chris Whitty, is one of those who believes it will prove to be 1% or lower. The World Health Organization’s director general, Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, talked of 3.4%, but his figure was calculated by dividing the number of deaths by the number of officially confirmed cases. We know there are many more mild cases that do not get to hospital and are not being counted, which would bring the mortality rate significantly down.
Deaths are highest in the elderly, with very low rates among younger people, although medical staff who treat patients and get exposed to a lot of virus are thought to be more at risk. But even among the over-80s, 90% will recover.
Rest - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/20/what-is-coronavirus-how-did-it-start-and-what-is-the-mortality-rate
Coronavirus Death Rate in Wuhan Lower Than Initial Estimates, New Study Finds
The rate in the Chinese city, where the virus originated, was 1.4% at end-February, a few percentage points lower than other estimates
The death rate from the new coronavirus may have been lower than previously believed in the city in China where it originated, according to a new study, offering a hopeful sign for other parts of the world.
The study, published Thursday in the journal Nature Medicine, found that the death rate among people who had symptoms was 1.4% in Wuhan, China, as of Feb. 29.
Rest - https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-death-rate-in-wuhan-lower-than-initial-estimates-new-study-finds-11584663474
Dissecting Germany's low coronavirus death rate
As the number of confirmed coronavirus cases continues to rise across Europe, the figures in Germany have experts scratching their heads.
Despite being among the countries hardest hit by the pandemic, Germany has recorded an astonishingly low number of deaths in comparison to its European neighbors.
The latest official figures published by the disease control agency Robert Koch Institute (RKI) on Thursday showed 10,999 confirmed infections, 20 of whom had died.
That is a mortality rate of just 0.18 percent, significantly lower than that of China (4 percent), Britain (3.9 percent), France (2.9 percent) and Italy (8.3 percent).
It’s difficult to disentangle," admitted Richard Pebody of the World Health Organization (WHO) on Tuesday.
Rest - https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2020/03/20/dissecting-germanys-low-coronavirus-death-rate.html
If I become infected with the coronavirus, what are my odds of survival?
SINGAPORE — Left unchecked, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 could infect billions of people. By one estimate, up to 70% of the world’s population may contract the disease.
That means there’s an excellent chance that, sooner or later, you will be one of them.
The World Health Organization said 14% of people known to have COVID-19 develop symptoms severe enough to require hospitalization and oxygen support. But calculating the odds of survival in the early stages of the pandemic is imprecise.
The disease’s fatality rate, which compares the number of people with confirmed cases of COVID-19 to the number of people who have died from it, has fluctuated between 0.9% and 3.4% depending on the latest available data. None of them are truly accurate, however, since health officials have no idea how many people have been infected but weren’t sick enough to warrant medical attention and be counted.
“The full burden of disease is not understood until there is time to breathe and analyze the data,” said Gene Olinger, an immunologist with the Maryland-based scientific institute MRIGlobal.
Rest - https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-03-19/coronavirus-odds-of-survival
Why Covid-19 is worse than the flu, in one chart
It’s more contagious, more deadly (particularly for older people), and it has a greater potential to overwhelm our health care system.
A question we keep hearing about the Covid-19 pandemic: Isn’t this disease a lot like the flu?
A quick unambiguous answer: No, this is not like the seasonal flu. It is worse.
Yes, some of the symptoms of Covid-19 resemble flu — especially fever and coughs. But this virus is worse for the destruction it may cause, not only in human lives, but to our society.
https://i.imgur.com/pZyM0D3.png
...
All the reasons Covid-19 is worse than the flu
While the exact death rate is not yet clear, the evidence so far does show the disease kills a larger proportion of people than the flu (and it’s particularly lethal for people older than 80).
It also has a higher potential to overwhelm our health care system and hurt people with other illnesses.
Currently, there is no vaccine to combat it, nor any approved therapeutics to slow the course of its toll on the human body. (Doctors can treat cytokine storm syndrome, an immune response that may in some cases be dealing the fatal blow to those dying of Covid-19.)
Rest - https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2020/3/18/21184992/coronavirus-covid-19-flu-comparison-chart
Study: Coronavirus death rate lower than initially thought
A new study published in Nature Medicine calculated people with the coronavirus in Wuhan had a 1.4 percent likelihood of dying.
Previous estimates ranged from 2 percent to 3.4 percent.
The study comes as China reports no new locally transmitted cases of the coronavirus.
China has confirmed more than 81,000 cases with more than 3,200 deaths.
As China reports no new locally transmitted cases of the novel coronavirus for the first time since the outbreak began last year, a new study claims the death toll in Wuhan from COVID-19 is lower than initially thought.
The research published in Nature Medicine Thursday found people with the coronavirus in the Chinese city of Wuhan, where the virus is believed to have originated, had a 1.4 percent likelihood of dying, far lower than some of the previous estimates.
At the beginning of March, the World Health Organization (WHO) put the mortality rate of the novel coronavirus at around 3.4 percent of confirmed cases. The number is also well below the death rate for Wuhan based on simply dividing the number of deaths by cases.
Rest - https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/488456-study-coronavirus-death-rate-lower-than