Imam leads Democrats

[stephanie]

Posted: February 3, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern
Muslim leader at party's winter meeting
also asks Allah to stop 'the occupation'


© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com


Husham Al-Husainy
With heads bowed reverently, Democrats were led in prayer yesterday by a Muslim imam who essentially asked Allah to assist in converting the party members to Islam, according to a scholar and author.

Robert Spencer, director of Jihad Watch and author of "The Truth about Muhammad," took note of the invocation given at the Democratic National Committee winter meeting by Husham Al-Husainy, imam of the Karbalaa Islamic Education Center, a shiite mosque in Dearborn, Mich.

According to a transcript of the prayer, which can be seen on a video clip provided by HotAir.com, the imam said:


In the name of God the most merciful, the most compassionate. We thank you, God, to bless us among your creations. We thank you, God, to make us as a great nation. We thank you God, to send us your messages through our father Abraham and Moses and Jesus and Muhammad. Through you, God, we unite. So guide us to the right path. The path of the people you bless, not the path of the people you doom. Help us God to liberate and fill this earth with justice and peace and love and equality. And help us to stop the war and violence, and oppression and occupation. Ameen.



Spencer, in a post on his Jihad Watch website, said he found it interesting to see the Muslim leader praying, "in veiled terms to be sure, for their conversion to Islam, and, oh yes, for the destruction of Israel ("And help us to stop the war and violence, and oppression and occupation").

"Imagine if a Christian priest or minister had prayed at a DNC meeting that those attending be guided away from the path of those doomed by God," Spencer said.

He explained the imam was echoing the Fatiha, the first sura, or chapter, of the Quran and the most common prayer of Islam.

It asks Allah: "Show us the straight path, the path of those whom Thou hast favored; not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray."

The traditional Islamic understanding is that the "straight path" is Islam, Spencer points out.

On the other hand, he continued, the path of those who have earned Allah's anger are the Jews, and those who have gone astray are the Christians.

Spencer cited the classic Quranic commentator Ibn Kathir, who says:


Allah asserted that the two paths He described here are both misguided when He repeated the negation "not." These two paths are the paths of the Christians and Jews, a fact that the believer should beware of so that he avoids them.
The path of the believers is knowledge of the truth and abiding by it. In comparison, the Jews abandoned practicing the religion, while the Christians lost the true knowledge. This is why "anger" descended upon the Jews, while being described as "led astray" is more appropriate of the Christians. Those who know, but avoid implementing the truth, deserve the anger, unlike those who are ignorant. The Christians want to seek the true knowledge, but are unable to find it because they did not seek it from its proper resources. This is why they were led astray. We should also mention that both the Christians and the Jews have earned the anger and are led astray, but the anger is one of the attributes more particular of the Jews.

Allah said about the Jews, (Those (Jews) who incurred the curse of Allah and His wrath) (5:60).

The attribute that the Christians deserve most is that of being led astray, just as Allah said about them, (Who went astray before and who misled many, and strayed (themselves) from the right path) (5:77).

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[Gaffer]

Posted: February 3, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern
Muslim leader at party's winter meeting
also asks Allah to stop 'the occupation'


© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com


Husham Al-Husainy
With heads bowed reverently, Democrats were led in prayer yesterday by a Muslim imam who essentially asked Allah to assist in converting the party members to Islam, according to a scholar and author.

Robert Spencer, director of Jihad Watch and author of "The Truth about Muhammad," took note of the invocation given at the Democratic National Committee winter meeting by Husham Al-Husainy, imam of the Karbalaa Islamic Education Center, a shiite mosque in Dearborn, Mich.

According to a transcript of the prayer, which can be seen on a video clip provided by HotAir.com, the imam said:


In the name of God the most merciful, the most compassionate. We thank you, God, to bless us among your creations. We thank you, God, to make us as a great nation. We thank you God, to send us your messages through our father Abraham and Moses and Jesus and Muhammad. Through you, God, we unite. So guide us to the right path. The path of the people you bless, not the path of the people you doom. Help us God to liberate and fill this earth with justice and peace and love and equality. And help us to stop the war and violence, and oppression and occupation. Ameen.



Spencer, in a post on his Jihad Watch website, said he found it interesting to see the Muslim leader praying, "in veiled terms to be sure, for their conversion to Islam, and, oh yes, for the destruction of Israel ("And help us to stop the war and violence, and oppression and occupation").

"Imagine if a Christian priest or minister had prayed at a DNC meeting that those attending be guided away from the path of those doomed by God," Spencer said.

He explained the imam was echoing the Fatiha, the first sura, or chapter, of the Quran and the most common prayer of Islam.

It asks Allah: "Show us the straight path, the path of those whom Thou hast favored; not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray."

The traditional Islamic understanding is that the "straight path" is Islam, Spencer points out.

On the other hand, he continued, the path of those who have earned Allah's anger are the Jews, and those who have gone astray are the Christians.

Spencer cited the classic Quranic commentator Ibn Kathir, who says:


Allah asserted that the two paths He described here are both misguided when He repeated the negation "not." These two paths are the paths of the Christians and Jews, a fact that the believer should beware of so that he avoids them.
The path of the believers is knowledge of the truth and abiding by it. In comparison, the Jews abandoned practicing the religion, while the Christians lost the true knowledge. This is why "anger" descended upon the Jews, while being described as "led astray" is more appropriate of the Christians. Those who know, but avoid implementing the truth, deserve the anger, unlike those who are ignorant. The Christians want to seek the true knowledge, but are unable to find it because they did not seek it from its proper resources. This is why they were led astray. We should also mention that both the Christians and the Jews have earned the anger and are led astray, but the anger is one of the attributes more particular of the Jews.

Allah said about the Jews, (Those (Jews) who incurred the curse of Allah and His wrath) (5:60).

The attribute that the Christians deserve most is that of being led astray, just as Allah said about them, (Who went astray before and who misled many, and strayed (themselves) from the right path) (5:77).

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I'm sure Spencer has a lot more to say on this on jihadwatch.org I read that site daily to keep up on what's going on with islam.

[retiredman]

"oh yes, for the destruction of Israel ("And help us to stop the war and violence, and oppression and occupation")."

I see no reference to Israel there.... I think he could very well be talking about Iraq.

[Gaffer]

"oh yes, for the destruction of Israel ("And help us to stop the war and violence, and oppression and occupation")."

I see no reference to Israel there.... I think he could very well be talking about Iraq.

He's probably talking about both.

Want to know how to tell a radical muslim from a moderate. Ask them if Israel has the right to exist. A yes answer means they are moderate. A no or any rambling wordy answer means they are radical.

[retiredman]

He's probably talking about both.

Want to know how to tell a radical muslim from a moderate. Ask them if Israel has the right to exist. A yes answer means they are moderate. A no or any rambling wordy answer means they are radical.


you certainly are free to use that methodology, but I think if there is ONE issue that incenses muslims of all stripes -radical and moderate, it is Israel. There are not many muslims who are chummy with the Israelis....

[Gaffer]

you certainly are free to use that methodology, but I think if there is ONE issue that incenses muslims of all stripes -radical and moderate, it is Israel. There are not many muslims who are chummy with the Israelis....

Very true, but those that are not willing to accept Israel show their true stripes and if not violent themselves at least support the radical element. A true moderate would be willing to live side by side with Israel and accept all religions as equal. And that goes completely against islamic teachings and the koran.

[retiredman]

Very true, but those that are not willing to accept Israel show their true stripes and if not violent themselves at least support the radical element. A true moderate would be willing to live side by side with Israel and accept all religions as equal. And that goes completely against islamic teachings and the koran.

I have known many many muslims who do, in fact, live side by side with Israelis.... and the vast majority of the Islamic world, while disliking Israel would not take up arms to bring Israel down.

[Gaffer]

I have known many many muslims who do, in fact, live side by side with Israelis.... and the vast majority of the Islamic world, while disliking Israel would not take up arms to bring Israel down.

Disliking Israel but accepting its right to exist is one thing. Supporting its destruction through actual violence or passive support is another. As I say a moderate muslim will say Israel has the right to exist as an equal. A radical muslim says Israel cannot exist at all. That radical also believes you should be conquored and subject to islam as well.

[retiredman]

Disliking Israel but accepting its right to exist is one thing. Supporting its destruction through actual violence or passive support is another. As I say a moderate muslim will say Israel has the right to exist as an equal. A radical muslim says Israel cannot exist at all. That radical also believes you should be conquored and subject to islam as well.

actually, most extreme muslims do not extend their idea of conquering and subjecitng the conquered to Islam much beyond their former highwater mark. I know of no extreme islamic theorist who speaks of subjecting north america, for example, to islam..

but I agree with your statement concering moderates and their begrudging acceptance of Israel's right to exist.

[TheSage]

Disliking Israel but accepting its right to exist is one thing. Supporting its destruction through actual violence or passive support is another. As I say a moderate muslim will say Israel has the right to exist as an equal. A radical muslim says Israel cannot exist at all. That radical also believes you should be conquored and subject to islam as well.


So any kingdom that ever existed anywhere on earth has a right to reconstitute itself, regardless of the wishes of the current occupants of the region? We can turn back the clock to any point in history? Or can only jews, the chosen people, do it? I'm just curious about your understanding of right and wrong.

[Gaffer]

So any kingdom that ever existed anywhere on earth has a right to reconstitute itself, regardless of the wishes of the current occupants of the region? We can turn back the clock to any point in history? Or can only jews, the chosen people, do it? I'm just curious about your understanding of right and wrong.

Islam is a real threat to our society. Your little fantasy world has nothing to do with what we are discussing here. Go back to your fantasy land in the conspiracy thread.

[TheSage]

Islam is a real threat to our society. Your little fantasy world has nothing to do with what we are discussing here. Go back to your fantasy land in the conspiracy thread.


I agree islam is a threat to our society. What's that got to do with the right of the jews to reconstitute an ancient kingdom?

Can the cherokee nation reestablish itself? It existed once.

[Dilloduck]

I agree islam is a threat to our society. What's that got to do with the right of the jews to reconstitute an ancient kingdom?

Can the cherokee nation reestablish itself? It existed once.

They got a nice chunk of land in Oklahoma ! Casinos and everything !

[Gunny]

So any kingdom that ever existed anywhere on earth has a right to reconstitute itself, regardless of the wishes of the current occupants of the region? We can turn back the clock to any point in history? Or can only jews, the chosen people, do it? I'm just curious about your understanding of right and wrong.

Nope. Any country that sides with a loser, or is part of a losing empire, puts its fate in the hands of the victors. Transjordan was part of the Ottoman Empire and they were on the losing end of WWI.

People like you created a state from shitty land in the middle of nowhere for Jews that would keep them out of their own countries.

[retiredman]

I kinda have to agree with Gunny on this one... Jews got the shit end of the stick in the partitioning of Palestine, regardless of the Brits supposed affirmation of the Balfour Declaration. If the palestinians - or better yet, the rest of the arab neighbors of Palestine - had agreed to the partitioning plan put forth by the UN, they would have themselves a real country today -THAT INCLUDED JERUSALEM.... but no...they had to roll the dice and go for the full enchilada... they rolled the dice and they lost.....

too fucking bad for them.

[Yurt]

"oh yes, for the destruction of Israel ("And help us to stop the war and violence, and oppression and occupation")."

I see no reference to Israel there.... I think he could very well be talking about Iraq.

Do you believe that most muslims don't want Israel's destruction?

Yes or no. Simple answer, no slick talk.

[retiredman]

Do you believe that most muslims don't want Israel's destruction?

Yes or no. Simple answer, no slick talk.


I think that a lot of muslims would like to see Israel off the map. Do I think that is a majority? I have no idea.... probably not.... Do I think that, even if it were a majority, that it was anything other than an idle, rhetorical pipedream for most muslims? no.

WHy do you ask?

[Yurt]

I think that a lot of muslims would like to see Israel off the map. Do I think that is a majority? I have no idea.... probably not.... Do I think that, even if it were a majority, that it was anything other than an idle, rhetorical pipedream for most muslims? no.

WHy do you ask?

We don't need you to remind us. It is evident, trust me.

[retiredman]

We don't need you to remind us. It is evident, trust me.


why are you being so contrary? What have I said that would cause you to abandon reason and ethic to attack me for the sake of attacking me?

[TheSage]

I kinda have to agree with Gunny on this one... Jews got the shit end of the stick in the partitioning of Palestine, regardless of the Brits supposed affirmation of the Balfour Declaration. If the palestinians - or better yet, the rest of the arab neighbors of Palestine - had agreed to the partitioning plan put forth by the UN, they would have themselves a real country today -THAT INCLUDED JERUSALEM.... but no...they had to roll the dice and go for the full enchilada... they rolled the dice and they lost.....

too fucking bad for them.

Of course you agree. You're a new world order fuckstick as well. The discussion on jews is so irrational that NOT agreeing to a double standard regarding jews on every issue makes one an "anti-semite".