View Full Version : This is a bullshit ruling.
Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
08-30-2019, 06:00 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/court-rules-that-gunlike-hand-gesture-man-made-making-neighbors-nervous-is-a-crime-183952419.html
U.S.
Court rules that 'gun-like hand gesture' that made neighbors nervous is a crime
Yahoo Lifestyle Hope Schreiber,Yahoo Lifestyle 4 hours ago
A Pennsylvania court has ruled that a "gun-like hand gesture" one neighbor made toward another is a crime.
In June 2018, Stephen Kirchner, 64, stopped his walk with a fellow neighbor, Elaine Natore, in Manor Township, Penn., to look a male neighbor in the eye and make "a hand gesture at him imitating the firing and recoiling of a gun," according to court documents.
The incident was captured on a surveillance video. The neighbor had previously installed six surveillance cameras due to "ongoing confrontations" with Natore, with whom he had a "no contact" order against.
Kirchner admitted that he did make the "gun-like hand gesture," but claims he did so only after the neighbor held up both middle fingers at him.
Another neighbor, according to court documents, witnessed Kirchner "put his finger up like he was going to shoot him," and felt "[i]nsecure" seeing the gesture, which prompted her to call 911.
Kirchner was issued a citation for disorderly conduct for the incident and was found guilty. He appealed, arguing the hand gesture didn't "create a hazardous or physically offensive condition." Kirchner further asserted that he didn't cause "public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm," as his act was directed at one person.
Regardless, the Superior Court of Pennsylvania found the gesture "served no legitimate purpose and recklessly risked provoking a dangerous altercation."
Kirchner has been ordered to pay a $100 fine and court costs.
I strongly disagree with this ruling. Guy does a stupid gesture-- court rules it is a crime..
I guess by that standard flipping somebody off justifies being arrested and charged.-
These dem/libs are getting to the point of having thought police, to terrorize their opposition....-Tyr
icansayit
08-30-2019, 06:08 PM
Today in America. You can be arrested, fined, jailed, or destroyed by just Thinking....Being, Looking, Pretending, Talking, Remembering, and last but not least.....TELLING SOMEONE THE TRUTH... Which offends, insults, angers, imagines, breathes, makes dangerous, sounds like, looks like, feels like, smells like, and thinks like IT MAY OFFEND, OR INSULT them..
Remedy. GLOBAL WARMING. "TURN UP THE HEAT.....MAKE ALL OF THE WUSSY SNOWFLAKES MELT BACK INTO THE SEWER."
Elessar
08-30-2019, 06:16 PM
Idiotic at best.
Two exchange gestures and only one gets cited?
Two middle fingers raised is a defiant act. This should have been thrown out of court.
LongTermGuy
08-30-2019, 07:46 PM
More Leftist (Liberal) craziness....Breaking this guy just got let go..
"Illegal Alien Who Shot Kate Steinle Found Not Guilty Of Murder"
http://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/02/Kate-Steinle-and-her-Killer.jpg
https://media.townhall.com/townhall/reu/ha/2017/296/2ca0c872-d6a3-48c4-a2c8-9209b207fa93.jpg
Illegal alien Jose Zarate shot Kate Steinle on a San Francisco pier back in 2015. Zarate had been deported multiple times, but San Francisco is a sanctuary city.
Steinle's death sparked a nationwide debate over the issue of immigration, specifically these city ordinances that shield illegal aliens from deportation.
The assumed logic is that the law would allow law enforcement to better fight crime since illegal aliens could come forward and reports felonious activity without the fear of being deported.
The evidence to support this claim is shoddy (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/02/12/liberals-sanctuary-cities-allow-illegal-immigrants-to-report-crimes-sheriffs-what-are-you-talking-about-n2285104). The Justice Department tried to cut off grant funding to cities that do not cooperate with federal immigration authorities, which received some pushback (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/09/15/federal-judge-to-sessions-attorney-general-cant-withhold-money-to-sanctuary-cities-n2382221) from the courts.
Prior to Thanksgiving, a federal judge blocked (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/11/21/blocked-federal-judge-halts-trump-executive-order-on-sanctuary-cities-n2412294) President Trump’s executive order that would have cut off aid to sanctuary cities. At the time of his arrest, Zarate was known (https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/09/25/defendants-statements-to-police-admissible-in-steinle-murder-trial-judge-rules/) as Francisco Sanchez.
California also became a so-called sanctuary state (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/09/18/open-the-floodgates-california-becomes-a-sanctuary-state-n2383050)in the interim. Zarate was deported five times (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/christinerousselle/2015/07/06/illegal-immigrant-kills-woman-in-san-francisco-chose-city-for-sanctuary-policies-n2021735) prior to the Steinle shooting and said he picked San Francisco because he knew authorities wouldn't be looking to deport him (via ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/US/jury-finds-undocumented-immigrant-guilty-murder-kate-steinle/story?id=51497686)):
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/11/30/breaking-illegal-alien-who-shot-kate-steinle-found-not-guilty-of-murder-n2416525
Elessar
08-30-2019, 08:01 PM
More Leftist (Liberal) craziness....Breaking this guy just got let go..
"Illegal Alien Who Shot Kate Steinle Found Not Guilty Of Murder"
http://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/02/Kate-Steinle-and-her-Killer.jpg
https://media.townhall.com/townhall/reu/ha/2017/296/2ca0c872-d6a3-48c4-a2c8-9209b207fa93.jpg
Illegal alien Jose Zarate shot Kate Steinle on a San Francisco pier back in 2015. Zarate had been deported multiple times, but San Francisco is a sanctuary city.
Steinle's death sparked a nationwide debate over the issue of immigration, specifically these city ordinances that shield illegal aliens from deportation.
The assumed logic is that the law would allow law enforcement to better fight crime since illegal aliens could come forward and reports felonious activity without the fear of being deported.
The evidence to support this claim is shoddy (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/02/12/liberals-sanctuary-cities-allow-illegal-immigrants-to-report-crimes-sheriffs-what-are-you-talking-about-n2285104). The Justice Department tried to cut off grant funding to cities that do not cooperate with federal immigration authorities, which received some pushback (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/09/15/federal-judge-to-sessions-attorney-general-cant-withhold-money-to-sanctuary-cities-n2382221) from the courts.
Prior to Thanksgiving, a federal judge blocked (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/11/21/blocked-federal-judge-halts-trump-executive-order-on-sanctuary-cities-n2412294) President Trump’s executive order that would have cut off aid to sanctuary cities. At the time of his arrest, Zarate was known (https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/09/25/defendants-statements-to-police-admissible-in-steinle-murder-trial-judge-rules/) as Francisco Sanchez.
California also became a so-called sanctuary state (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/09/18/open-the-floodgates-california-becomes-a-sanctuary-state-n2383050)in the interim. Zarate was deported five times (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/christinerousselle/2015/07/06/illegal-immigrant-kills-woman-in-san-francisco-chose-city-for-sanctuary-policies-n2021735) prior to the Steinle shooting and said he picked San Francisco because he knew authorities wouldn't be looking to deport him (via ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/US/jury-finds-undocumented-immigrant-guilty-murder-kate-steinle/story?id=51497686)):
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/11/30/breaking-illegal-alien-who-shot-kate-steinle-found-not-guilty-of-murder-n2416525
That is all in violation of Federal Law, which a state cannot over-ride. A decision can be appealed, but Federal Law is the top of the stack
More idiot moves by liberals.
LongTermGuy
08-30-2019, 08:20 PM
That is all in violation of Federal Law, which a state cannot over-ride. A decision can be appealed, but Federal Law is the top of the stack
More idiot moves by liberals.
Bad times coming with these crazed "America hating" Leftist...All these Democrat run cities speak for themselves with their insanity....When is so crazy and anti-American that you just need to be pulled out of office..jailed and or deported?
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