Who/What Comes Closest To Making The Case 'For' Voting For Trump

[Kathianne]

I have to say that I've yet to see a good argument here or by pro-Trump people, their arguments to my choices have not changed since before he won the nomination of the Republican party back in 2016.

It's been the arms of government agencies, like what has been exposed by the Mueller report and subsequent issues unveiled.

Then there's the MSM, like this report I came across today.

I believed, I still believe, that President Trump is harmful in substantive ways to our country and its underlying principles. What has been unveiled though, are of a more immediate threat, case in point:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/duke-psychiatrist-trump-may-be-responsible-for-many-more-million-deaths-than-hitler-stalin-and-mao



University psychiatrist: Trump 'may be responsible for many more million deaths' than Hitler, Stalin, and Mao
by Julio Rosas
| August 25, 2019 11:39 AM
| Updated Aug 25, 2019, 01:12 PM

The former chairman of the Psychiatry Department at Duke University claimed on CNN that President Trump is as bad as the worst dictators of the 20th century, and that his presidency might lead to even more deaths than they did.


While debating the merits of having psychiatrists come out with possible mental health diagnoses on Trump, Dr. Allen Frances said it was an insult to the mentally ill to compare them to him.


Frances, who is against psychiatrists violating the "Goldwater Rule," told CNN doing so will stigmatize people with mental illnesses.

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[Gunny]

Trying to pick a fight for Sunday entertainment?:laugh: Define "pro-Trump". I don't see that the same as "anti-Dem".

I have offered repeatedly (and not just you and not just on this board and not just about Trump) the same logic, fact and common sense argument to keep the Dems out. Their current performance in the House just reinforces my argument.

I made the same argument about McCain and I had to grab one hand by the other and force it vote for HIM. And I Do recall at the time having this very same argument on USMB with HPD at the time.

There ISN'T a better argument. You're going to do what you think is best and I'm not going for any bad blood over a disagreement that has gone nowhere.

[Kathianne]

Trying to pick a fight for Sunday entertainment?:laugh: Define "pro-Trump". I don't see that the same as "anti-Dem".

I have offered repeatedly (and not just you and not just on this board and not just about Trump) the same logic, fact and common sense argument to keep the Dems out. Their current performance in the House just reinforces my argument.

I made the same argument about McCain and I had to grab one hand by the other and force it vote for HIM. And I Do recall at the time having this very same argument on USMB with HPD at the time.

There ISN'T a better argument. You're going to do what you think is best and I'm not going for any bad blood over a disagreement that has gone nowhere.

Yep, I agree. You couldn't convince me with that, now or then. As I said, the media and the use of government agents just might.

In spite of Trump or those agents, I may vote for trying to save the system, not the actors.

[Gunny]

Yep, I agree. You couldn't convince me with that, now or then. As I said, the media and the use of government agents just might.

In spite of Trump or those agents, I may vote for trying to save the system, not the actors.Voting against a Dem win IS voting to save the system. The alternative is voting (or not) to allow its destruction. Those are THE only two options.

If a viable alternative existed, I'd seriously be looking into it. I don't like either party. The Democrats IMO are crossing the line into unamerican. Stopping them IS to save the system.

Dreams are called dreams for a reason. Same with reality.

[Kathianne]

Voting against a Dem win IS voting to save the system. The alternative is voting (or not) to allow its destruction. Those are THE only two options.

If a viable alternative existed, I'd seriously be looking into it. I don't like either party. The Democrats IMO are crossing the line into unamerican. Stopping them IS to save the system.

Dreams are called dreams for a reason. Same with reality.

No, those are the only two options you're willing to see. As you said, 'we've done this dance enough.' :beer:

[jimnyc]

I won't debate it, quite frankly, as I don't think you would sway anyway and not much point in trying. The things that didn't change your mind back then surely aren't going to magically do so today! :)

But, for the hell of it, I would say that it's mostly the same things that so many found attractive to them back then as today. Many things have been a success while some failed. Some, like working on the border wall or fencing, still ongoing. And with that one for an example, I don't think anyone else would have pushed and pushed for that as long as he did and as hard as he did. With controversial issues most tend to waver and go with emotions.

I think I would still prefer Trump and his team working and continuing with our economy. Also on that border issue. Most issues for that fact, especially when I line them up side by side with each candidate individually to gauge things for me.

That said, Trump has been bad in more than just saying bad things which gets attributed to myself or more at times. I think he has failed in some places, just been an asshole in some others & gets a beating for congress not doing their job in some others.

Outside of any agenda stuff, another thing which is just a bonus is the fact that we have seen 1000x more information about democrats come out during Trump's presidency, and that's a damn good thing. Even if a future president doesn't speak like him, perhaps this will open some doors of honesty. Doubtful much though, this is politics still.

And to keep ANY on that horrible democrat list thus far, as every last one of them would be a nightmare for America. I thought I could perhaps stomach seeing Biden in office, as he seemed normal at least, even if a little aloof at times. But then things were brought back to my memory, and a ton more I was unaware of. And since, he has also slowly given in to the endless socialist ideas and freebies. If ANY of these candidates get into office, its going to be bad for America. Sure, all smiles in the media and from Hollywood, then in reality it's back to closed doors and lies - and this time, trillions ad trillions and trillions on the menu for retarded spending and/or "freebies".

That's all just a generic reply, you can say, as we both know it's not swaying you, nor anyone for that fact. But just that I do have a response, and why I feel it's a no brainer between Trump and any of the choices on the left and now another choice on the right as well. :)

[Gunny]

No, those are the only two options you're willing to see. As you said, 'we've done this dance enough.' :beer:Then you should know you only get the last word if I'm in the mood :)

They ARE the only two options in the real world. I've got plenty more in my idealistic fantasies. Fantasy is what it is. I don't get to live there. In the meantime, the Dems would steal the Moon if it was within reach.

[Kathianne]

Then you should know you only get the last word if I'm in the mood :)

They ARE the only two options in the real world. I've got plenty more in my idealistic fantasies. Fantasy is what it is. I don't get to live there. In the meantime, the Dems would steal the Moon if it was within reach.

You're wrong! :) :laugh:

[Kathianne]

I won't debate it, quite frankly, as I don't think you would sway anyway and not much point in trying. The things that didn't change your mind back then surely aren't going to magically do so today! :)

But, for the hell of it, I would say that it's mostly the same things that so many found attractive to them back then as today. Many things have been a success while some failed. Some, like working on the border wall or fencing, still ongoing. And with that one for an example, I don't think anyone else would have pushed and pushed for that as long as he did and as hard as he did. With controversial issues most tend to waver and go with emotions.

I think I would still prefer Trump and his team working and continuing with our economy. Also on that border issue. Most issues for that fact, especially when I line them up side by side with each candidate individually to gauge things for me.

That said, Trump has been bad in more than just saying bad things which gets attributed to myself or more at times. I think he has failed in some places, just been an asshole in some others & gets a beating for congress not doing their job in some others.

Outside of any agenda stuff, another thing which is just a bonus is the fact that we have seen 1000x more information about democrats come out during Trump's presidency, and that's a damn good thing. Even if a future president doesn't speak like him, perhaps this will open some doors of honesty. Doubtful much though, this is politics still.

And to keep ANY on that horrible democrat list thus far, as every last one of them would be a nightmare for America. I thought I could perhaps stomach seeing Biden in office, as he seemed normal at least, even if a little aloof at times. But then things were brought back to my memory, and a ton more I was unaware of. And since, he has also slowly given in to the endless socialist ideas and freebies. If ANY of these candidates get into office, its going to be bad for America. Sure, all smiles in the media and from Hollywood, then in reality it's back to closed doors and lies - and this time, trillions ad trillions and trillions on the menu for retarded spending and/or "freebies".

That's all just a generic reply, you can say, as we both know it's not swaying you, nor anyone for that fact. But just that I do have a response, and why I feel it's a no brainer between Trump and any of the choices on the left and now another choice on the right as well. :)

I agree with much of what you cite as successes, I've said that before. Focusing on illegal immigration and pushing for immigration reform are good. I don't agree with all of his reform on immigration, but he's been relentless in pushing for it and think it may come to pass, IF he is re-elected.

While I don't think a wall was necessary, he actually has gone with a fence, that certainly seems to be working well. He deserves all credit for that. I do wish that was being done by Congressional funding and not with DOD funds, but that's quibbling.

I'd add that his focus on China I do not disagree with. How he's going about it though? Could be extremely harmful in both short run and long. Then again, there's been times I've thought he's pulled the proverbial rabbit out of the hat.

Subsequently though like with ISIS; Syria; Iraq; Iran; North Korea; and yes for now, China. He seems a bit ADD, losing focus with short term winds and failing with follow through. Then again, he's not done, so it could change.

My concerns weren't and aren't focused on what he defined as concerns as he was running, we mostly shared those concerns and more or less, what and how to address them.

My problems were with the man, what he would do regarding the office and the country. I've not changed my mind, indeed in small ways some are seeing those problems.

[SassyLady]

I have to say that I've yet to see a good argument here or by pro-Trump people, their arguments to my choices have not changed since before he won the nomination of the Republican party back in 2016.

It's been the arms of government agencies, like what has been exposed by the Mueller report and subsequent issues unveiled.

Then there's the MSM, like this report I came across today.

I believed, I still believe, that President Trump is harmful in substantive ways to our country and its underlying principles. What has been unveiled though, are of a more immediate threat, case in point:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/duke-psychiatrist-trump-may-be-responsible-for-many-more-million-deaths-than-hitler-stalin-and-mao



To keep socialism at bay for at least another 4 years.
To finish bringing China in line.
SCOTUS seat if RBG dies/retires.
Economy.

Don't really like him as a person, which I've always said, but his exposure of the swamp and deep state is a step in right direction. And, the fact that he doesn't walk PC line.

[Kathianne]

To keep socialism at bay for at least another 4 years.
To finish bringing China in line.
SCOTUS seat if RBG dies/retires.
Economy.

Don't really like him as a person, which I've always said, but his exposure of the swamp and deep state is a step in right direction. And, the fact that he doesn't walk PC line.

The best way to fight socialism/communism is through education, something the right could have fought effectively about.

He put a big ole' spotlight on the 'deep state' and 'the swamp' and truly seems to have not really changed a thing.

He has the power, always has, to declassify any emails; to pressure DOJ to bring charges; etc.

He's not been shy about using any available powers he wishes to, including now ordering businesses to look at exiting China, through 'emergency powers.'

[SassyLady]

The best way to fight socialism/communism is through education, something the right could have fought effectively about.

He put a big ole' spotlight on the 'deep state' and 'the swamp' and truly seems to have not really changed a thing.

He has the power, always has, to declassify any emails; to pressure DOJ to bring charges; etc.

He's not been shy about using any available powers he wishes to, including now ordering businesses to look at exiting China, through 'emergency powers.'

So, if he isn't elected how will things be better?

[Kathianne]

So, if he isn't elected how will things be better?

I never said they would, thus no vote for Hillary or any of the current crop of Dems. I just won't vote for someone, anyone, I think will hurt the country in a long term way.

[SassyLady]

I never said they would, thus no vote for Hillary or any of the current crop of Dems. I just won't vote for someone, anyone, I think will hurt the country in a long term way.

I respect that.

Might be a long time before you vote again. As we become older and wiser, the less we see any politician as good enough to be president. Especially with the level of opposition research there is out there. Would still like a non politician for president if possible. Was hoping Shultz would run.

I made choice that getting conservative SCOTUS seat was important enough for me to vote.

[Kathianne]

I respect that.

Might be a long time before you vote again. As we become older and wiser, the less we see any politician as good enough to be president. Especially with the level of opposition research there is out there. Would still like a non politician for president if possible. Was hoping Shultz would run.

I made choice that getting conservative SCOTUS seat was important enough for me to vote.

I'll always vote, even if it's a write in for less than stellar choice. By definition they aren't going to cause problems with the system. Heck, I might just write in Maryanne because she amuses me. ;)

[BoogyMan]

The constant flow of anonymously sourced stupidity coming from the major media outlets has been making me think about it. I have never seen such a coordinated effort by such a ridiculously fragile group to constantly tar and misrepresent someone.

If anything could for me, it would be the media.

[Kathianne]

The constant flow of anonymously sourced stupidity coming from the major media outlets has been making me think about it. I have never seen such a coordinated effort by such a ridiculously fragile group to constantly tar and misrepresent someone.

If anything could for me, it would be the media.

As I was saying. . . :laugh:

Seriously, they are part of a huge cabal. Gunny says, 'fascists' I could buy into that.

[icansayit]

Therefore, rather than fall for the typical, quadruple entanglements of another election. I Plan to vote. But since I'm bound to be told by someone..."YOUR WRONG", I will just repeat what I have said many times before. "None of your business who I will vote for!"

That's my case. Everybody has to make up their own mind.
But, as an Honorably Discharged, Retired Veteran. Let it be known. "The oath I took more than 5 times. DID NOT RETIRE, when I did!'

[Gunny]

Therefore, rather than fall for the typical, quadruple entanglements of another election. I Plan to vote. But since I'm bound to be told by someone..."YOUR WRONG", I will just repeat what I have said many times before. "None of your business who I will vote for!"

That's my case. Everybody has to make up their own mind.
But, as an Honorably Discharged, Retired Veteran. Let it be known. "The oath I took more than 5 times. DID NOT RETIRE, when I did!'I get that. I've never really made a public issue of who I vote for. Definitely not outside the house. Idiots are too violent and tend to find your "stuff" (property) suitable targets for their anger.

At the same time, that notion hardly fits on a political message board. I'll try to remember to not ask :)

[pete311]

To keep socialism at bay for at least another 4 years.
To finish bringing China in line.
SCOTUS seat if RBG dies/retires.
Economy.

Don't really like him as a person, which I've always said, but his exposure of the swamp and deep state is a step in right direction. And, the fact that he doesn't walk PC line.

What do you call it when a president orders American companies what to do?

[Gunny]

What do you call it when a president orders American companies what to do?Barrack Obama denying oil companies offshore drilling rights?

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I asked Kathy in another thread what it would take for her to vote for Trump, what would he have to do. She didn't want to answer and equated it to goading her. She said asking her what it would take Trump doing to get her to vote for him was "pushing her buttons"... but now she wants to discuss it... hmmm... how 'bout that.

[LongTermGuy]

I asked Kathy in another thread what it would take for her to vote for Trump, what would he have to do. She didn't answer and called it goading her. She equated asking her what it would take Trump doing to get her to vote for him as instigating... "pushing her buttons"... but now she wants to discuss it... hmmm... how 'bout that.

Oh ya ..."Hmmm"...Exactly....Now..lets see what she has to say...

[jimnyc]

Oh ya ..."Hmmm"...Exactly....Now..lets see what she has to say...

Please stay out of personal business that doesn't have anything to do with you.

[pete311]

Barrack Obama denying oil companies offshore drilling rights?

Trump made a random order on Twitter. Obama used a 1953 law that allows presidents to block the sale of new offshore drilling. Don't see the difference?

[Kathianne]

Trump made a random order on Twitter. Obama used a 1953 law that allows presidents to block the sale of new offshore drilling. Don't see the difference?

Trump's cited law was from 1977. Now one can certainly argue how this is suddenly an emergency, much like the Mexican border. Then again, can see how that worked out.

[jimnyc]

Trump made a random order on Twitter. Obama used a 1953 law that allows presidents to block the sale of new offshore drilling. Don't see the difference?

Precedent.

Precedent not necessary anymore? GREAT, then I will in fact support the right jamming in a new SC justice before 2020 should that happen. :)

[pete311]

Trump's cited law was from 1977. Now one can certainly argue how this is suddenly an emergency, much like the Mexican border. Then again, can see how that worked out.

He made the order without ordering a national emergency. His tweets are official white house statements.

[Kathianne]

He made the order without ordering a national emergency. His tweets are official white house statements.
Yes, that was a good recap of what I'd just said.

[jimnyc]

He made the order without ordering a national emergency. His tweets are official white house statements.

He said for them to LOOK - no actual order was given - and he DID say that he could declare that national emergency - likely if/when he would make such a order. But it will all likely not happen anyway.

[Elessar]

He made the order without ordering a national emergency. His tweets are official white house statements.

Official White House statements, or personal opinions We are entitled to?
I do not go to Twitter - too many dingbats there, just as in Faceplant....errmmm Facebook

[jimnyc]

Official White House statements, or personal opinions We are entitled to?
I do not go to Twitter - too many dingbats there, just as in Faceplant....errmmm Facebook

He offers many opinions on there, and sometimes about things non-related to the WH or being prez. JUST opinions and NOT official WH statements.

[BoogyMan]

What do you call it when a president orders American companies what to do?

I call it Obamacare. I didn't hear you whining when the president and his foot soldiers were telling companies they were REQUIRED to cover things like the abortion pill or contraceptives.

[pete311]

He offers many opinions on there, and sometimes about things non-related to the WH or being prez. JUST opinions and NOT official WH statements.

Maybe up for interpretations
https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/06/politics/trump-tweets-official-statements/index.html

They will be recorded as presidential
https://www.pri.org/stories/2018-02-19/donald-trumps-tweets-are-now-presidential-records

[pete311]

I call it Obamacare. I didn't hear you whining when the president and his foot soldiers were telling companies they were REQUIRED to cover things like the abortion pill or contraceptives.

So you're equating this order to Obamacare... and you're not outraged now? Hypocrisy maybe?

[BoogyMan]

So you're equating this order to Obamacare... and you're not outraged now? Hypocrisy maybe?

I didn't say that, Pete. I was mocking your hypocrisy, nothing more.

[pete311]

I didn't say that, Pete. I was mocking your hypocrisy, nothing more.

I know you're not outraged, but you were with Obamacare. That is your hypocrisy.

[jimnyc]

Maybe up for interpretations
https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/06/politics/trump-tweets-official-statements/index.html

They will be recorded as presidential
https://www.pri.org/stories/2018-02-19/donald-trumps-tweets-are-now-presidential-records

Of course it is, you liberals reinterpret anything you don't like or disagree with.

But fact is, if he says he likes the photo that one of his kids posted, I'm pretty confident that's not an official order or statement from the WH. Perhaps RECORDS as the second link implies, then surely. Of course they are all of record under his presidency. That I agree with. But that's different entirely.

[jimnyc]

So you're equating this order to Obamacare... and you're not outraged now? Hypocrisy maybe?

You simply cannot call someone else a hypocrite, you need to earn that. When someone fails to respond to 9,764 different times they were questioned over hypocrisy, it starts to appear that they don't care about hypocrisy. Sorry, just the truth.

[STTAB]

Then you should know you only get the last word if I'm in the mood :)

They ARE the only two options in the real world. I've got plenty more in my idealistic fantasies. Fantasy is what it is. I don't get to live there. In the meantime, the Dems would steal the Moon if it was within reach.

That's not really true Gunny.

You and I are both in similar situations. Our states will go for Trump. It's a foregone conclusion (though Arkansas is probably more of a lock than left leaning Texas at this point) so a protest vote to third party isn't going to do shit to help the Dems AND it isn't a vote for Trump, who I actually believe has done some harmful things as President, not policy wise but definately behavior wise. He's the exact mirror image of Obama in fact. Obama was all Presidential behavior and terrible policy, Trump terrible behavior, good policy. I think most of us could agree that with roughly 200M people to choose from Trump isn't the only good option.

Now on the flip side to Kathy, you want a reason to vote FOR Trump, here is the most important one. He is not the same old assholes who have been running DC into the ground for the last 30 years, and those assholes HATE Trump to a man and or woman. Because he's a threat to everything they stand for (which is basically one thing, THEIR power)

I swear to God politics is the only job I can think of where getting essentially a promotion for being shitty at your last job is the norm (well that isn't exactly uncommon in the military either but that's another thread entirely) Are Americans really this stupid that they can't look at every single person on the DNC stage and say "what the fuck have YOU done that you deserve to be President?" Or has the system simply been so rigged that our only other option is a rude, boorish billionaire is our only hope of getting a President who isn't totally corrupt? Ask yourself, if Trump weren't up for reelection who do you think the GOP would nominate in 2020? Well that's an easy one of course, we may not know the name, but we DO know that it would be some worthless Senator who spent the last 30 years in the Senate fixing NOTHING who suddenly decided he was supposed to be the next President of the United States.

And third party sounds nice, but it isn't going to happen. So that's not a REAL choice. I mean I could write in "STTAB" on my ballot , has as much chance of winning.

It's your vote, you do as you may with it, that's what makes our country so great, but you asked for a reason to vote for Trump. a vote AGAINST the system is that reason.

[Kathianne]

That's not really true Gunny.

You and I are both in similar situations. Our states will go for Trump. It's a foregone conclusion (though Arkansas is probably more of a lock than left leaning Texas at this point) so a protest vote to third party isn't going to do shit to help the Dems AND it isn't a vote for Trump, who I actually believe has done some harmful things as President, not policy wise but definately behavior wise. He's the exact mirror image of Obama in fact. Obama was all Presidential behavior and terrible policy, Trump terrible behavior, good policy. I think most of us could agree that with roughly 200M people to choose from Trump isn't the only good option.

Now on the flip side to Kathy, you want a reason to vote FOR Trump, here is the most important one. He is not the same old assholes who have been running DC into the ground for the last 30 years, and those assholes HATE Trump to a man and or woman. Because he's a threat to everything they stand for (which is basically one thing, THEIR power)

I swear to God politics is the only job I can think of where getting essentially a promotion for being shitty at your last job is the norm (well that isn't exactly uncommon in the military either but that's another thread entirely) Are Americans really this stupid that they can't look at every single person on the DNC stage and say "what the fuck have YOU done that you deserve to be President?" Or has the system simply been so rigged that our only other option is a rude, boorish billionaire is our only hope of getting a President who isn't totally corrupt? Ask yourself, if Trump weren't up for reelection who do you think the GOP would nominate in 2020? Well that's an easy one of course, we may not know the name, but we DO know that it would be some worthless Senator who spent the last 30 years in the Senate fixing NOTHING who suddenly decided he was supposed to be the next President of the United States.

And third party sounds nice, but it isn't going to happen. So that's not a REAL choice. I mean I could write in "STTAB" on my ballot , has as much chance of winning.

It's your vote, you do as you may with it, that's what makes our country so great, but you asked for a reason to vote for Trump. a vote AGAINST the system is that reason.

I'm not certain that was directed to me, but I never asked for a reason to vote for Trump, nor am I voting against the system. Maybe you were speaking to Gunny?

[STTAB]

Trump made a random order on Twitter. Obama used a 1953 law that allows presidents to block the sale of new offshore drilling. Don't see the difference?


Petey you are smarter than this, allegedly. Trump's tweets carry zero weight of law. You just seem to hate the fact that Trump is transparent and we all know everything he is thinking and or doing because he tells us in real time. Apparently you miss the past when Presidents operated in the dark and did whatever they wanted without people knowing.

[icansayit]

I know you're not outraged, but you were with Obamacare. That is your hypocrisy.


Hypocrisy came with Obamacare....he said it many times himself....



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44kyHOPEZV8

Obama wrote the book on his own Hypocrisy....most of us remember as TOTAL LIES.

[STTAB]

I'm not certain that was directed to me, but I never asked for a reason to vote for Trump, nor am I voting against the system. Maybe you were speaking to Gunny?
Just a general statement. I know several here believe a third party vote is a "wasted vote" and I wholeheartedly disagree. There is no such thing as a wasted vote. Everyone has the right to vote as they see fit. Of course we have the right to ridicule .

[pete311]

Petey you are smarter than this, allegedly. Trump's tweets carry zero weight of law. You just seem to hate the fact that Trump is transparent and we all know everything he is thinking and or doing because he tells us in real time. Apparently you miss the past when Presidents operated in the dark and did whatever they wanted without people knowing.

Obviously and Trump looks like a moron when he tweets "I hereby order..."

[Gunny]

Obviously and Trump looks like a moron when he tweets "I hereby order..."Sorry, Pete. No grammatical errors. Have a nice day :)

[SassyLady]

What do you call it when a president orders American companies what to do?
Broad statement. In what context are you referring?

[icansayit]

Obviously and Trump looks like a moron when he tweets "I hereby order..."


Nobody has seen you yet. Even if you aren't Tweeting!

At least we have a President who says what he means, when he says it. And isn't going around the World to kiss butt, and bow. Look in a mirror sometime, when you are Tweeting. See what the word "MORON" really means.

[Elessar]

Broad statement. In what context are you referring?

He is an idiot, clinging to his ignorant idiot desires to feel important.

[STTAB]

Obviously and Trump looks like a moron when he tweets "I hereby order..."
'
No , it's you who looks like the idiot when you don't recognize that the President doesn't have to issue WRITTEN orders. if he tweets out an order to someone in his command, that's the same fucking thing as if he gave a verbal order, which is an order. In my time in the National Guard, I received far more verbal orders than written ones, probably 1000:1 actually. Most people would no doubt tell you the same.

So in that sense there is nothing wrong with using Twitter to give orders, it simply isn't an official way to give written orders.

Of course we also factor in that you have TDS and will complain about ANYTHING Trump does.

[Elessar]

Hypocrisy came with Obamacare....he said it many times himself....




Obama wrote the book on his own Hypocrisy....most of us remember as TOTAL LIES.

Excellent. Just like him, Nancy and Harry Reid spouting out the Obama Care bill was open for reading on
a Friday with a Monday vote coming. The site shut down with nobody able to view it. I say that was on purpose.

[icansayit]

It works as a great reminder of how typical TRUMP Haters, Liberals, Progressives, Leftists, and Snowflakes are going to be


when they have to https://image.shutterstock.com/image-photo/eating-crow-variation-on-humble-260nw-163190306.jpg

After the President wins again.