Ohio GOP congressman dies

[GW in Ohio]

As if things weren't bad enough for the beleagured GOPs. Now an incumbent congressman has died, opening up another seat and an opportunity for the Dems.


WASHINGTON (AP) - Ohio Rep. Paul Gillmor was found dead in his apartment Wednesday, a Republican leadership aide said.

The aide said the body of the 68-year-old Republican was found by staff members who went to his apartment after he failed to show up for work. There was no immediate word on the cause of his death. Gillmor's office did not respond to a reporter's call.

Gillmor, who represented Ohio's 5th District in the Bowling Green area of the state, was first elected to Congress in 1988.

The aide spoke on condition of anonymity pending an official announcement.

Gillmor, who served as a judge advocate in the Air Force after graduating law school, won a seat in the Ohio state senate in 1966, and served there for 22 years, rising to the senate presidency. After an unsuccessful run for governor in 1986, Gillmor was elected to the U.S. House in 1988 after eking out a 27-vote victory in the primary.

As a House member was a little-known but solid Republican vote, and a reliable conservative on social issues.

He led legislative efforts in such areas as cleanups of commercially contaminated sites known as brownfields and enacting financial service reforms. He was also a strong advocate of a constitutional amendment to ban unfunded mandates on the states.

[truthmatters]

Poor guy.

I feel for his family.

[stephanie]

As if things weren't bad enough for the beleagured GOPs. Now an incumbent congressman has died, opening up another seat and an opportunity for the Dems.

What a disgusting post...
Instead of wondering what happened to the poor guy, or feeling sorry for their family...They are celebrating because it could mean a seat for their political party...I feel like I'm reading something right off of Duunderground...

:puke3:

[nevadamedic]

What a disgusting post...
Instead of wondering what happened to the poor guy, or feeling sorry for their family...They are celebrating because it could mean a seat for their political party...I feel like I'm reading something right off of Duunderground...

:puke3:

It doesn't matter, they will appoint another Republican.

[GW in Ohio]

What a disgusting post...
Instead of wondering what happened to the poor guy, or feeling sorry for their family...They are celebrating because it could mean a seat for their political party...I feel like I'm reading something right off of Duunderground...

:puke3:

Oh, put a sock in it.

It's not like either of us knew him personally.

If you want to talk about grieving, I feel worse over the 3,800 young Americans who've lost their lives because our boy king took a notion into his head.

[stephanie]

Oh, put a sock in it.

It's not like either of us knew him personally.

If you want to talk about grieving, I feel worse over the 3,800 young Americans who've lost their lives because our boy king took a notion into his head.

Maybe you should of put a sock in it before you posted your little gleeful post...

[JackDaniels]

What a disgusting post...
Instead of wondering what happened to the poor guy, or feeling sorry for their family...They are celebrating because it could mean a seat for their political party...I feel like I'm reading something right off of Duunderground...

:puke3:

Reading his statement with a grain of intelligence leads you to understand that there was no "celebration" whatsoever.

[Sitarro]

Oh, put a sock in it.

It's not like either of us knew him personally.

If you want to talk about grieving, I feel worse over the 3,800 young Americans who've lost their lives because our boy king took a notion into his head.

Please........ you don't give a shit about our military personnel or for the Iraqi people either, it's just a way of using others to push forward that pathetic socialist party of yours...... be careful what you wish for, you may be very disappointed with the shit that drops all over your head.

[Sitarro]

Reading his statement with a grain of intelligence leads you to understand that there was no "celebration" whatsoever.

obviously you haven't read this clown's posts before.

[JackDaniels]

obviously you haven't read this clown's posts before.

Completely irrelevant. I'm referencing his post above, which does not have any "celebration" contained within whatsoever.

[jimnyc]

As if things weren't bad enough for the beleagured GOPs. Now an incumbent congressman has died, opening up another seat and an opportunity for the Dems.

I would think ANY American would have better things to think about when hearing this rather an "open seat". Most would feel sad, sympathy for the family and have a desire for understanding of his death. The fact that you see it as an "opportunity" is appalling.


Reading his statement with a grain of intelligence leads you to understand that there was no "celebration" whatsoever.

Speaking of intelligence, anyone with comprehension skills would see that an interest in an "open seat" is being opportunistic for a political advantage, which is a little too close to a celebration for my liking.

[JackDaniels]

Speaking of intelligence, anyone with comprehension skills would see that an interest in an "open seat" is being opportunistic for a political advantage, which is a little too close to a celebration for my liking.

Nothing he said was incorrect or celebratory.

It is an opportunity for the Democrats, just like when people when Tim Johnson went into the hospital after the midterm election it was an opportunity for Republicans.

[jimnyc]

Nothing he said was incorrect or celebratory.

It is an opportunity for the Democrats, just like when people when Tim Johnson went into the hospital after the midterm election it was an opportunity for Republicans.

Yes, it was, and I would have scolded any republican here that jumped to speak about that before feeling the sadness of losing an American serving our country.

When you immediately look to the positive advantage democrats might get out of someone's death, to me that is a type of celebration. Out of all the ways one could possibly gain political advantage, or a seat, this would be the last anyone should want to see. And to hear someone IMMEDIATELY think of that when someone passes away is disgusting.

[GW in Ohio]

Maybe you should of put a sock in it before you posted your little gleeful post...

stephanie: The "glee" is entirely your interpretation. My post was straighforward, just a statement of fact.


As if things weren't bad enough for the beleagured GOPs. Now an incumbent congressman has died, opening up another seat and an opportunity for the Dems.

If you want to see glee, wait until January 20, 2009. I will be partying that night.

[nevadamedic]

Nothing he said was incorrect or celebratory.

It is an opportunity for the Democrats, just like when people when Tim Johnson went into the hospital after the midterm election it was an opportunity for Republicans.

That's just shitty and untrue. I felt bad when Johnson got sick and I actually sent a get well card to his office. I never thought if something happened to him then we would have another seat, that is just wrong on so many levels. Just because their views are completly messed up doesn't mean we wish them dead, far from it actually.

Oh yea and if this is such a good thing for Democrats why are the Democratic Congressmen and Senators putting out emails in support of Gilmor?

[stephanie]

stephanie: The "glee" is entirely your interpretation. My post was straighforward, just a statement of fact.

Well latie da...the poor man is barley cold and you're talking about how this is a great chance for the Democrat party....yeah that's straightforward...:rolleyes:




If you want to see glee, wait until January 20, 2009. I will be partying that night.

Yeah sure..:rolleyes:

[theHawk]

As if things weren't bad enough for the beleagured GOPs. Now an incumbent congressman has died, opening up another seat and an opportunity for the Dems.

A Dem would of had an "opportunity" to get the seat the next time the seat is up for election, whether he is alive or not, running for re-election or not.

Besides, its not like another Dim or two in the senate will change anything, they already have a majority in Congress and are still completely inept and worthless. And that won't change even if Hitlery becomes Prez too.

[TheStripey1]

What a disgusting post...
Instead of wondering what happened to the poor guy, or feeling sorry for their family...They are celebrating because it could mean a seat for their political party...I feel like I'm reading something right off of Duunderground...

:puke3:


welcome to the seamy world of national politics...

but... what about the clamor that went up when that Democratic Senator had the brain hemorage last December... righties were tickled pink at the prospect of over turning the democratic victory... But I guess it is ok when your side does it... right? Well guess what, that street runs both directions...

Back to the topic:

May he RIP...


Seems like he voted for some good issues... like the clean-up of brownfields... so, uhhh, what's a brownfield? And he was a veteran that served in Viet Nam...


rest easy, Capt Gilmour, rest easy.

[TheStripey1]

It doesn't matter, they will appoint another Republican.

Is the Governor of Ohio republican or democrat?

[TheStripey1]

Oh, put a sock in it.

It's not like either of us knew him personally.

If you want to talk about grieving, I feel worse over the 3,800 young Americans who've lost their lives because our boy king took a notion into his head.

That's different and you know it, GW... boy george was told by god to invade Iraq and boy george does everything god tells him to do, doncha know...

[TheStripey1]

Please........ you don't give a shit about our military personnel or for the Iraqi people either, it's just a way of using others to push forward that pathetic socialist party of yours...... be careful what you wish for, you may be very disappointed with the shit that drops all over your head.

GW is a veteran... so mind your tongue... I believe GW even served in the war of his youth... so he does have the well being of our brothers in arms at heart... how about you, sitarro? Have you served?

obtw, nice owl...

[GW in Ohio]

Is the Governor of Ohio republican or democrat?

Gov. Ted Strickland is a Democrat.

[stephanie]

welcome to the seamy world of national politics...

but... what about the clamor that went up when that Democratic Senator had the brain hemorage last December... righties were tickled pink at the prospect of over turning the democratic victory... But I guess it is ok when your side does it... right? Well guess what, that street runs both directions...

Back to the topic:

May he RIP...


Seems like he voted for some good issues... like the clean-up of brownfields... so, uhhh, what's a brownfield? And he was a veteran that served in Viet Nam...


rest easy, Capt Gilmour, rest easy.


Well look who's back...
Maybe there were some who did what you said when the Democrat Senator had a stroke(I think his name was Tim Johnson)..But nobody on this board did...That was my point...
And believe me, I know the seedy side of politics, all too well...
Doesn't mean we all need to crawl around in the gutter with gutter rats..

:cheers2:

[Gem]

welcome to the seamy world of national politics...

but... what about the clamor that went up when that Democratic Senator had the brain hemorage last December... righties were tickled pink at the prospect of over turning the democratic victory... But I guess it is ok when your side does it... right? Well guess what, that street runs both directions...

Back to the topic:

May he RIP...


Seems like he voted for some good issues... like the clean-up of brownfields... so, uhhh, what's a brownfield? And he was a veteran that served in Viet Nam...


rest easy, Capt Gilmour, rest easy.

AMEN, Stripey. Seems like some folks around here have forgotten the meaning of what goes around comes around. Tell ya one thing, losing a seat in Congress that the Dem's will pick up in 08 is going to be the least of the Repub's and conservative's worries. Wait until the economy crashes and we're at war and under attack because of the past and current policies and legislation enacted by the Republican "Christian" right. That's when the ass-kickin's are really gonna start.

Gem
:finger3:

[TheStripey1]

A Dem would of had an "opportunity" to get the seat the next time the seat is up for election, whether he is alive or not, running for re-election or not.

Besides, its not like another Dim or two in the senate will change anything, they already have a majority in Congress and are still completely inept and worthless. And that won't change even if Hitlery becomes Prez too.

He was a representative... not a senator... and as such, they run in every election...

[nevadamedic]

stephanie: The "glee" is entirely your interpretation. My post was straighforward, just a statement of fact.



If you want to see glee, wait until January 20, 2009. I will be partying that night.

Wow, I didn't think you would be partying and celebrating when the Republicans take the house back and remain in the White House, needless to say im impressed.

[stephanie]

:rolleyes:Boy....I wished I owned a crystal ball....

[TheStripey1]

Gov. Ted Strickland is a Democrat.

Then I guess he'll be appointing a democrat...

hey hey GW. LTNS, how ya been holdin up?

[nevadamedic]

Well look who's back...
Maybe there were some who did what you said when the Democrat Senator had a stroke(I think his name was Tim Johnson)..But nobody on this board did...That was my point...
And believe me, I know the seedy side of politics, all too well...Doesn't mean we all need to crawl around in the gutter with gutter rats..

:cheers2:

I bet you do, all those years of stalking Senators teached you a lot eh Stpeh, or were you an intern for Bill Clinton? :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

[nevadamedic]

Then I guess he'll be appointing a democrat...

hey hey GW. LTNS, how ya been holdin up?

Not true, some state have a law requires that the Governor appoint a member of the same party as the former Represantitive.

[TheStripey1]

Well look who's back...
Maybe there were some who did what you said when the Democrat Senator had a stroke(I think his name was Tim Johnson)..But nobody on this board did...That was my point...
And believe me, I know the seedy side of politics, all too well...
Doesn't mean we all need to crawl around in the gutter with gutter rats..

:cheers2:

yep... I popped in last week to see how my pal Mr. P was holding up with the drought and all... and while here noticed the new idict jimnyc laid on y'all so I thought... hey... maybe things have changed...

so... I'll be in and out, as always... I just dropped in today to post my pep talk for lefties as I said I would do yesterday... gonna put it in the lounge when I get a chance... don't worry, you won't have to look for it as I'll put a link to it in my sigline... as I do on nearly every forum I post.

how ya been?

[TheStripey1]

Wow, I didn't think you would be partying and celebrating when the Republicans take the house back and remain in the White House, needless to say im impressed.

based on what? your dreams?

get a grip nm...

[Gem]

That's just shitty and untrue. I felt bad when Johnson got sick and I actually sent a get well card to his office. I never thought if something happened to him then we would have another seat, that is just wrong on so many levels. Just because their views are completly messed up doesn't mean we wish them dead, far from it actually.

Oh yea and if this is such a good thing for Democrats why are the Democratic Congressmen and Senators putting out emails in support of Gilmor?

Since when is stating a forthcoming reality and the truth of what the consequences will probably be "Way outta line", nevadamedic?

I think it's the truth of what I said, not the way I said it, that bothers you the most, nevadamedic. And those are realities that the hard-core conservatives in this country are gonna have to face in the not-so-distant future.

Gem

[TheStripey1]

:rolleyes:Boy....I wished I owned a crystal ball....


it takes more than "owning" a crystal ball to be able to scry the future... but I bet you knew that already...

do you want glass or crystal?

[TheStripey1]

Not true, some state have a law requires that the Governor appoint a member of the same party as the former Represantitive.

How's it swing in Ohio?

[nevadamedic]

:rolleyes:Boy....I wished I owned a crystal ball....

I don't, that would just give you another way to spy on me. :laugh2:

[TheStripey1]

Since when is stating a forthcoming reality and the truth of what the consequences will probably be "Way outta line", nevadamedic?

I think it's the truth of what i said, not the way I said it, that bothers you the most, nevadamedic. And those are realities that the conservatives in this country are gonna have to face in the not-so-distant future.

Gem

obviously when it isn't in line with the "right way" of thinking, Gem...

and uhhhh, Gem? I sure hope not... cuz if that's their future, then it's gonna be ours too... personally, I'd like to see some reconcilliation IN THIS COUNTRY.

What we need is a viable NEW party... not democrat, not republican, something new...

:dance:

[Gem]

it takes more than "owning" a crystal ball to be able to scry the future... but I bet you knew that already...

do you want glass or crystal?

Send her one made out of red copralite, heh, heh!

Gem
:lmao:

[jimnyc]

yep... I popped in last week to see how my pal Mr. P was holding up with the drought and all... and while here noticed the new idict jimnyc laid on y'all so I thought... hey... maybe things have changed...

Good to see you around again, StripeyDude! :)

Mr. P is probably out playing with the cows in the pasture right now but I'm sure he'll be on later!

[Gaffer]

stephanie: The "glee" is entirely your interpretation. My post was straighforward, just a statement of fact.



If you want to see glee, wait until January 20, 2009. I will be partying that night.

So your going to party with the conservatives that night about their victory.

[Gem]

obviously when it isn't in line with the "right way" of thinking, Gem...

and uhhhh, Gem? I sure hope not... cuz if that's their future, then it's gonna be ours too... personally, I'd like to see some reconcilliation IN THIS COUNTRY.

What we need is a viable NEW party... not democrat, not republican, something new...

:dance:

10/4 on the first statement, Stripey!

And I agree we will suffer the consequences like everybody else. Which is why I believe the Righties will be getting their butts kicked sixteen ways from Sunday when it happens.

I also agree with "reconcilliation", but you can't reconcile anything with anybody who refuses to see the error of their ways. That's the problem.

Gem
:salute:

[TheStripey1]

Send her one made out of red copralite, heh, heh!

Gem
:lmao:


Aren't they opaque?

[Gem]

Aren't they opaque?

Yeah, usually. And about as dense as a neocon Rightie. Just as full of it too, lol!

Gem
:coffee:

[TheStripey1]

Good to see you around again, StripeyDude! :)

Mr. P is probably out playing with the cows in the pasture right now but I'm sure he'll be on later!

thanks, jimnyc... damn shame how the weather's been treating us of late, isn't it? One could almost make the arguement that God, or Goddess as the case may very well be and probably is, is not pleased with us... not pleased at all...

How ya been?

You'll never guess what I'm doing with some" of my time these daze... I'm a Site Admin on a lefty site... laffs...

flexes claws...

laffs...

glorified janitor is all it amounts to... as I'm banning porn bots right and left...

:dance:

but it's fun... and that's what it's all about, right?

[nevadamedic]

How's it swing in Ohio?

Dunno, ask Gaffer, he is from there............

[TheStripey1]

So your going to party with the conservatives that night about their victory.


another dreamer... :cheers2:

howzit gaffer?

[TheStripey1]

Dunno, ask Gaffer, he is from there............

So's GW...

[stephanie]

Yeah, usually. And about as dense as a neocon Rightie. Just as full of it too, lol!

Gem
:coffee:

oh my...... you're such a jokester...:uhoh:

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[nevadamedic]

So's GW...

Yea but GW's always on crack.

[TheStripey1]

oh my...... you're such a jokester...:uhoh:

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glass is cheaper than crystal especially if you want one that is large enough to see into... so which do you prefer? quality or quantity?

[stephanie]

glass is cheaper than crystal especially if you want one that is large enough to see into... so which do you prefer? quality or quantity?

I still want the crystal...thank you...:laugh2:

[TheStripey1]

I still want the crystal...thank you...:laugh2:

Not too bad, but then these aren't water clear either...

Crystal Balls (http://www.crystal-balls.com/crystalslg.htm)

water clear crystals are rare... very rare... and consequently very expensive, way more than these... way more...

I have a 2 inch quartz sphere from madagascar that is 90% clear... it was about $300 when I bought it 20 years ago... a 4 inch clear quartz crystal ball could easily be in the thousands now days...

[TheStripey1]

Yea but GW's always on crack.

and you base that observation on what? That he disagrees with you?

sorry nm, but he's not on crack... he's on truth... you should try it sometime... it's very exhilarating but it can be addicting, so maybe you should stay away from it...

:cheers2:

[nevadamedic]

and you base that observation on what? That he disagrees with you?

sorry nm, but he's not on crack... he's on truth... you should try it sometime... it's very exhilarating but it can be addicting, so maybe you should stay away from it...

:cheers2:

Liberal's don't know what the truth is................

[avatar4321]

ah this is number 2. Sorry to hear about it.

[avatar4321]

Reading his statement with a grain of intelligence leads you to understand that there was no "celebration" whatsoever.

In other words "I'm smarter than you so my opinion on the matter counts more"

[avatar4321]

Nothing he said was incorrect or celebratory.

It is an opportunity for the Democrats, just like when people when Tim Johnson went into the hospital after the midterm election it was an opportunity for Republicans.

And typical to form the Democrats started freaking out about it. Worrying they might lose their slim majority.

Meanwhile the Republicans were all giving sympathies to the families.

[avatar4321]

stephanie: The "glee" is entirely your interpretation. My post was straighforward, just a statement of fact.



If you want to see glee, wait until January 20, 2009. I will be partying that night.

You are going to be celebrating the Republicn Presidential win and our retaking both houses of Congress?

[PostmodernProphet]

Gov. Ted Strickland is a Democrat.


okay, how did the Republicans who supposedly fixed the Ohio elections screw up on THAT one?.......

[Gaffer]

okay, how did the Republicans who supposedly fixed the Ohio elections screw up on THAT one?.......

I think it has something to do with the new voting machines, the ones delivered with democrat votes already recorded.

I'm not absolutely sure but I believe in Ohio the governor has to appoint a rep from the same party as the former rep. But I believe there is some leeway there as well. Like a dem could be put in if a repub gets another position to balance out somewhere. But in this case I think it will be a repub period.

[nevadamedic]

I think it has something to do with the new voting machines, the ones delivered with democrat votes already recorded.

I'm not absolutely sure but I believe in Ohio the governor has to appoint a rep from the same party as the former rep. But I believe there is some leeway there as well. Like a dem could be put in if a repub gets another position to balance out somewhere. But in this case I think it will be a repub period.

I sure as hell hope so, we can't afford to have another Democrat in office.

[TheStripey1]

Liberal's don't know what the truth is................

and you base this on your experience listening to the bushies?

where are those pesky WMD, nm? hmmmm? When will the war start paying for itself? Are those IEDs or flowers on the ground?

[TheStripey1]

In other words "I'm smarter than you so my opinion on the matter counts more"

It would depend on the topic... but yeah, I can see how that could be true...

[TheStripey1]

And typical to form the Democrats started freaking out about it. Worrying they might lose their slim majority.

Meanwhile the Republicans were all giving sympathies to the families.

psssssst... ava... he was a representative, not a senator...

so uhhh, who freaked out?

[TheStripey1]

You are going to be celebrating the Republicn Presidential win and our retaking both houses of Congress?

based on what GOP policy changes? or are you just another dreamer?

[avatar4321]

psssssst... ava... he was a representative, not a senator...

so uhhh, who freaked out?

Senator Johnson is a Senator. Rep. Gillmor is a representative.

if you bothered reading what we were talking about, youd understand.

[GW in Ohio]

So your going to party with the conservatives that night about their victory.

Gaffer: I'm going to take the next day off from work. I'll stay up late on election night, partying with my friends and dueling with my political opponents.

I'll have bourbon and coffee on hand, and it'll be a fun night.

[GW in Ohio]

Liberal's don't know what the truth is................

That's a very dumb statement, Nevada.

Even though I disagree with you guys on a lot of things, I still recognize that you're fellow Americans. We all have to work together to make this a better world, and demonizing those who don't hold the same point of view as you only serves to obstruct things.

[GW in Ohio]

You are going to be celebrating the Republicn Presidential win and our retaking both houses of Congress?

avatar: In all honesty, I think the Repubs are headed for an ass kicking next year.


Bush and his war are extremely unpopular. GOP candidates won't even want to be on the same platform as Bush.
Mark Foley.....Larry Craig......the Repubs can't run on family values in '08. If they try to, they'll be laughed out of town.

[CockySOB]

If you want to see glee, wait until January 20, 2009. I will be partying that night.

Promise? I mean, can we hold you to it?

[CockySOB]

avatar: In all honesty, I think the Repubs are headed for an ass kicking next year.


Bush and his war are extremely unpopular. GOP candidates won't even want to be on the same platform as Bush.
Mark Foley.....Larry Craig......the Repubs can't run on family values in '08. If they try to, they'll be laughed out of town.


The question should be this: will America vote for a party split between Congress and the Whitehouse in 2008? Since the Democrats currently hold Congress and are likely to retain both Houses in 2008, will the American people be more deferential to a Republican candidate in order to force a "stalemate" as such between the branches of government?

The reason I think this particular question is pertinent is because neither party is doing very well in approval polls, and I see the potential for America voting for a "status quo" government.

[stephanie]

BS...You think you all can keep spitting out this "Family Values" mantra like it's suppose to hurt someone..To me it just make's you all look stupid....

There's a few bad apple's in every barrel....

The Democrats should know all about.......BAD APPLES...:poke:

[theHawk]

avatar: In all honesty, I think the Repubs are headed for an ass kicking next year.


Bush and his war are extremely unpopular. GOP candidates won't even want to be on the same platform as Bush.
Mark Foley.....Larry Craig......the Repubs can't run on family values in '08. If they try to, they'll be laughed out of town.


And what are the Democrats going to run on?
Bush and his war are extremely unpopular, but Hillary voted for it too and will continue the war just like Bush is.
Cleaning up the corruption? If they do, they'll be laughed out of town.
On poverty when the unemployment rate is at record lows? They'll be laughed out of town.
On family values? Running B.J. Clinton as First Lady? They'll be laughed out of town....

[stephanie]

[QUOTE=theHawk;118677]
On family values? Running B.J. Clinton as First Lady? They'll be laughed out of town....
:lol::lmao:

[GW in Ohio]

BS...You think you all can keep spitting out this "Family Values" mantra like it's suppose to hurt someone..To me it just make's you all look stupid....

There's a few bad apple's in every barrel....

The Democrats should know all about.......BAD APPLES...:poke:

As I said elsewhere, the reason the "family values" business is going to bite the GOP in the ass next year is that they've run on that issue for years.

They've said, in effect, "Vote for us because we're not a bunch of immoral, adulerous jerks and homos like the Democrats."

Well, it turns out that they are. Somebody wipe the egg off their GOP faces.

The Democrats, on the other hand, have never tried to portray themselves as other than they are....a bunch of immoral, adulterous jerks and homosexuals.

When the voters discover they've been sold a bill of goods, it tends to piss them off.

[JohnDoe]

The question should be this: will America vote for a party split between Congress and the Whitehouse in 2008? Since the Democrats currently hold Congress and are likely to retain both Houses in 2008, will the American people be more deferential to a Republican candidate in order to force a "stalemate" as such between the branches of government?

The reason I think this particular question is pertinent is because neither party is doing very well in approval polls, and I see the potential for America voting for a "status quo" government.
i think your middle of the roader, the centrist, and the libertarian, may think this way, but most dems, even the dems that crossed over, and got Bush elected, will never vote for a republican president again! At least, that is what the callers on c-span's washington journal have said....and i am certain that this is an exageration on their part, but not for this 2008 election.

if the democrats did hold the house and ALSO got the 60 senate seats needed to get anything passed in the senate, i could live with a divided gvt, and a ''moderate'' republican president..... but not without the 60 senate seat guarantee!

the ideal situation for republicans would be a divided gvt, but i do not believe it will happen....it will probably be clinton, being sworn in 1/20/2009, the way things are looking....unless bloomberg and hagel hook up as independents, and give her a run for the money imho....

[TheStripey1]

Even though I disagree with you guys on a lot of things, I still recognize that you're fellow Americans. We all have to work together to make this a better world, and demonizing those who don't hold the same point of view as you only serves to obstruct things.


True, GWiO... it's passed time we started working on Reconcilling our own country...

[TheStripey1]

The question should be this: will America vote for a party split between Congress and the Whitehouse in 2008? Since the Democrats currently hold Congress and are likely to retain both Houses in 2008, will the American people be more deferential to a Republican candidate in order to force a "stalemate" as such between the branches of government?

The reason I think this particular question is pertinent is because neither party is doing very well in approval polls, and I see the potential for America voting for a "status quo" government.

Excellent points, CSOB, remind me to rep you for them...

IMO... The reason Congress has such a low approval rating now is because of republican obstructionists... the dems can't stop the war because they NEED 17 republicans to jump ship to override bush's inevitable veto of any bill having a troop PHASED withdrawal date... and they just don't have them...

It seems obvious to me that it's the Republicans that would rather keep our troops in Iraq until hell freezes over... but then, I pay better attention than most americans.

[TheStripey1]

BS...You think you all can keep spitting out this "Family Values" mantra like it's suppose to hurt someone..To me it just make's you all look stupid....

There's a few bad apple's in every barrel....

The Democrats should know all about.......BAD APPLES...:poke:

All barrel's have a few bad apples, true... but... it's the republicans that tout themselves as BEING the Party of Family Values... well, I suppose they could be... IF you have a really really screwed up family or equally bad values...

[TheStripey1]

And what are the Democrats going to run on?
Bush and his war are extremely unpopular, but Hillary voted for it too and will continue the war just like Bush is.
Cleaning up the corruption? If they do, they'll be laughed out of town.
On poverty when the unemployment rate is at record lows? They'll be laughed out of town.
On family values? Running B.J. Clinton as First Lady? They'll be laughed out of town....

Ending the war IN Iraq would be a good start... universal health care would be another...

Do you think ALL wives should divorce their husbands because of indescretions or forgive them? Or just democrat ones?

[TheStripey1]

[QUOTE]
:lol::lmao:

What would you do if your man was caught with his pants down? Boot him to the curb or try to save your marriage?

Isn't trying to save your marriage a family value?

[theHawk]

Ending the war IN Iraq would be a good start... universal health care would be another...

Do you think ALL wives should divorce their husbands because of indescretions or forgive them? Or just democrat ones?


LOL, and have you heard Hitlery PROMISE she will end the war? NOPE. Make no mistake, she will continue it.


Lets get something straight about B.J., he didn't just do one or two acts of 'indescrestions', ever since he was a governor he went after women. Funny how libs these days have totally forgotten about Paula Jones and the many other women who complained about Clinton sexually harrassing them. He clearly has a history of cheating and most women would leave and should leave a situation like that. But we all know why she stayed with him....because she cares a hell of a lot more about the political power she would lose if she divorced B.J.

Sure someone like Craig is a hypocrit if he is a fag. But so are all these liberals who defend B.J. Clinton when at the same time there supposed to be all about 'womens rights'.

[stephanie]

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What would you do if your man was caught with his pants down? Boot him to the curb or try to save your marriage?

Isn't trying to save your marriage a family value?

I'd kick him to the curb...after I did a Lorena Bobbitt on him.....

J/K....maybe.:coffee:

[TheStripey1]

LOL, and have you heard Hitlery PROMISE she will end the war? NOPE. Make no mistake, she will continue it.


Lets get something straight about B.J., he didn't just do one or two acts of 'indescrestions', ever since he was a governor he went after women. Funny how libs these days have totally forgotten about Paula Jones and the many other women who complained about Clinton sexually harrassing them. He clearly has a history of cheating and most women would leave and should leave a situation like that. But we all know why she stayed with him....because she cares a hell of a lot more about the political power she would lose if she divorced B.J.

Sure someone like Craig is a hypocrit if he is a fag. But so are all these liberals who defend B.J. Clinton when at the same time there supposed to be all about 'womens rights'.

Maybe... maybe not... Let's see your crystal ball...

So? Whereas it is certainly wrong for a married man to seek sexual encounters with other women, it is really none of your concern what the wife does in response to those dalliances, now is it? Divorce? Maybe... maybe not... maybe she loves the guy... have you asked her?

Are you equating getting a blow job from a young woman in your office to soliciting one from a strange man in a public restroom? There is no comparison in MY BOOK...

Craig wins the ewwwwwwwwwww/iccccccccccccccccck factor paws down...

[TheStripey1]

[QUOTE=TheStripey1;118778]

I'd kick him to the curb...after I did a Lorena Bobbitt on him.....

J/K....maybe.:coffee:

a lot of women would do the former... not many the latter...

but do you consider every woman wrong who tries to save her marriage despite what her philandering husband has done or just Hillary?

[stephanie]

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a lot of women would do the former... not many the latter...

but do you consider every woman wrong who tries to save her marriage despite what her philandering husband has done or just Hillary?

Where did I say anything about what you are asking me...???

It's up to the person if they want to try and save their marriage after something like that...

:confused:

[GW in Ohio]

LOL, and have you heard Hitlery PROMISE she will end the war? NOPE. Make no mistake, she will continue it.

stephanie: That is one issue where I disagree with Hillary. She favors staying in Iraq to try and clean up the mess Bush has created. I favor getting out today. I do not believe our presence there is accomplishing anything. I believe the result will be the same whether we leave tomorrow or in 5 years. The only difference will be more dead Americans.

I also believe the Iraq occupation has greatly increased enmity for the US in the Muslim world. We will not begin to undo the damage we have done to our image until we disengage from Iraq. As long as we are there, we serve as a recruiting poster for al qaida and other radical Islamist groups.

[MtnBiker]

I also believe the Iraq occupation has greatly increased enmity for the US in the Muslim world. We will not begin to undo the damage we have done to our image until we disengage from Iraq. As long as we are there, we serve as a recruiting poster for al qaida and other radical Islamist groups.

Why stop in Iraq, perhaps we should disengage from all of the Middle East, would that improve our image?

It doesn't matter who the next president is the US will continue to have a presence in Iraq for many years.

[stephanie]

stephanie: That is one issue where I disagree with Hillary. She favors staying in Iraq to try and clean up the mess Bush has created. I favor getting out today. I do not believe our presence there is accomplishing anything. I believe the result will be the same whether we leave tomorrow or in 5 years. The only difference will be more dead Americans.

I also believe the Iraq occupation has greatly increased enmity for the US in the Muslim world. We will not begin to undo the damage we have done to our image until we disengage from Iraq. As long as we are there, we serve as a recruiting poster for al qaida and other radical Islamist groups.

I think you meant to reply to Hawk, he's the one who said the above quote..

:cheers2:

[CockySOB]

Excellent points, CSOB, remind me to rep you for them...
Thanks, although rep isn't truly that important to me, the thought IS appreciated.


IMO... The reason Congress has such a low approval rating now is because of republican obstructionists... the dems can't stop the war because they NEED 17 republicans to jump ship to override bush's inevitable veto of any bill having a troop PHASED withdrawal date... and they just don't have them...
Odd, I can recall the Republican majority making the same claim of the Democrat minority who "obstructed" the will of the bare majority. What it boils down to for the Democrats is that the extreme fringe element of the Democrat constituency which helped vote the Democrats into power are now majorly pissed that the Democrats DIDN'T shut down the war effort by holding off funding, or even making the token effort of "de-authorizing" the war.

BTW, it's this kind of "balance" that the Democrats were saying was so absolutely necessary over the years where the GOP controlled majorities in both Houses of Congress and the Whitehouse. Of course when the opportunity presents itself to re-establish such a balance, now the Democrats want to assert "total power." I'm certain any poster who wanted could find talk about Republican fascism during the time they controlled the two elected branches of our Federal government. Not saying that you did, Stripes, as I can't recall specificalyl that you did. But such statements were made by the former Democrat minority, and now that there is an opportunity for the Democrats to gain control of the elected branches such talk is easily forgotten. Politics is power; and, power corrupts.

I guess what I'm pointing out is that the Democrats and Republicans are essentially the same - both are power-brokers and panderers to the masses.


It seems obvious to me that it's the Republicans that would rather keep our troops in Iraq until hell freezes over... but then, I pay better attention than most americans.
Didn't pay good enough attention to catch the facts that we normally discuss citizens of the USA as Americans rather than "americans." (Sorry, couldn't let the jab pass, you know how it goes....)

And what may be "obvious" to you may not be obvious to others. I'd even go so far as to say that what is "obvious" to you is in fact a distortion based on your own preconceptions. Not a damnable thing to be sure, but we all have to remember that our perspectives beget our realities.

[theHawk]

Maybe... maybe not... Let's see your crystal ball...

So? Whereas it is certainly wrong for a married man to seek sexual encounters with other women, it is really none of your concern what the wife does in response to those dalliances, now is it? Divorce? Maybe... maybe not... maybe she loves the guy... have you asked her?

Are you equating getting a blow job from a young woman in your office to soliciting one from a strange man in a public restroom? There is no comparison in MY BOOK...

Craig wins the ewwwwwwwwwww/iccccccccccccccccck factor paws down...

I really don't know what you're argueing about any more. The original comments I replied to were about the people running for President and the issues they'd run on. Why would any of the current Republican candidates have any connection to Craig's actions? Just because Craig is a closet fag that means all of us conservatives have to cower in a corner for the next election? His actions do not speak for our values, so he has no bearing on what issues will dominate the election for us conservatives.

Hitlery on the other hand, is DIRECTLY connected to BJ. And I am not just talking about the his cheating and sexual harrasment suits. Clinton had a history of corruption and a horrible legacy as a President, from Whitewater to pardoning all of his criminal friends/business partners to failed 'Hillary Care' to his fuck ups in handling the Islamic terror threat. Thats why I say people will laugh at her on the way to the polls come election day.

[GW in Ohio]

Why stop in Iraq, perhaps we should disengage from all of the Middle East, would that improve our image?

It doesn't matter who the next president is the US will continue to have a presence in Iraq for many years.

Do you understand that most of the hatred for the US in the Muslim world is because of our meddling in the Middle East?

A basic difference between Republicans and Democrats is that the Repubs think we have a right to tear down nations in the Middle east, or build them up, or replace heads of state as we see fit.

What gives us the right, other than the fact that we have more war toys than anybody else?

Yes, we should disengage entirely from the Middle East. The Middle East has its own dynamics and issues to work out, e.g., the Sunni vs. Shiite business, and the problem many countries have with Israel.

We should disengage from the Middle East and let events there run their own course. That would remove the major raison d'etre of Al Qaida and other America-hating radical groups.

As for Israel, it has shown it can more than hold its own. Let Israel stand or fall on its own merits.

[TheStripey1]

I really don't know what you're argueing about any more. The original comments I replied to were about the people running for President and the issues they'd run on. Why would any of the current Republican candidates have any connection to Craig's actions? Just because Craig is a closet fag that means all of us conservatives have to cower in a corner for the next election? His actions do not speak for our values, so he has no bearing on what issues will dominate the election for us conservatives.

Hitlery on the other hand, is DIRECTLY connected to BJ. And I am not just talking about the his cheating and sexual harrasment suits. Clinton had a history of corruption and a horrible legacy as a President, from Whitewater to pardoning all of his criminal friends/business partners to failed 'Hillary Care' to his fuck ups in handling the Islamic terror threat. Thats why I say people will laugh at her on the way to the polls come election day.

You think Craig is the only closeted homosexual in the GOP?

So in your mind, it is better to divorce the offending spouse thus destryoing the family than forgive them and go on from there?

Got any links, viable credible ones that is, to your allegations of corruption? Or are you just passing gas?

[TheStripey1]

so we've drifted far and wide from the TO... has there been any word about what caused the Representative's untimely death?