Anybody Ever Heard of KRATOM?

[High_Plains_Drifter]

The stuff sounds very interesting and is gaining popularity. I'm thinking of ordering some myself.

Anyone here ever heard of it, used it, know anyone that's used it?

KRATOM SCIENCE: https://www.kratomscience.com/strains-effects-and-dosage/comment-page-4/#comment-51878

[Kathianne]

I'd never heard of it, but I'd certainly be cautious:

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/consumer-health/in-depth/kratom/art-20402171



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Kratom is also used at music festivals and in other recreational settings. People who use kratom for relaxation report that because it is plant-based, it is natural and safe. However, the amount of active ingredient in kratom plants can vary greatly, making it difficult to gauge the effect of a given dose. Depending on what is in the plant and the health of the user, taking kratom may be very dangerous.
Side effects and safety concerns
Although people who take kratom believe in its value, researchers who have studied kratom think its side effects and safety problems more than offset any potential benefits. Poison control centers in the United States received about 1,800 reports involving use of kratom from 2011 through 2017, including reports of death. About half of these exposures resulted in serious negative outcomes such as seizures and high blood pressure. Five of the seven infants who were reported to have been exposed to kratom went through withdrawal.

Kratom has a number of known side effects, including:


Weight loss
Dry mouth
Chills, nausea and vomiting
Changes in urine and constipation
Liver damage
Muscle pain

Kratom also affects the mind and nervous system:


Dizziness
Drowsiness
Hallucinations and delusion
Depression and delusion
Breathing suppression
Seizure, coma and death

Kratom takes effect after five to 10 minutes, and its effects last two to five hours. The effects of kratom become stronger as the quantity taken increases. In animals, kratom appears to be more potent than morphine. Exposure to kratom has been reported in an infant who was breastfed by a mother taking kratom.
Many of the problems that occur with pain medications happen when these drugs are used at high doses or over a long period of time. It's not known exactly what level of kratom is toxic in people, but as with pain medications and recreational drugs, it is possible to overdose on kratom.
Research shows little promise
At one time, some researchers believed that kratom might be a safe alternative to opioids and other prescription pain medications. However, studies on the effects of kratom have identified many safety concerns and no clear benefits.
Kratom has been reported to cause abnormal brain function when taken with prescription medicines. When this happens, you may experience a severe headache, lose your ability to communicate or become confused.

In a study testing kratom as a treatment for symptoms of opioid withdrawal, people who took kratom for more than six months reported withdrawal symptoms similar to those that occur after opioid use. Too, people who use kratom may begin craving it and require treatments given for opioid addiction, such as naloxone (Narcan) and buprenorphine (Buprenex).
Kratom also adversely affects infant development. When kratom is used during pregnancy, the baby may be born with symptoms of withdrawal that require treatment.
In addition, substances that are made from kratom may be contaminated with salmonella bacteria. As of April 2018, more than 130 people in 38 states became ill with Salmonella after taking kratom. Salmonella poisoning may be fatal, and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration has linked more than 35 deaths to Salmonella-tainted kratom. Salmonella contamination has no obvious signs, so the best way to avoid becoming ill is to avoid products that may contain it.
Kratom is not currently regulated in the United States, and federal agencies are taking action to combat false claims about kratom. In the meantime, your safest option is to work with your doctor to find other treatment options.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I'd never heard of it, but I'd certainly be cautious:

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/consumer-health/in-depth/kratom/art-20402171
Yeah... that's like with ANY drug... like when you see all these drugs advertised on TV, they go ON and ON about the "possible" side effects.

My neighbor has been doing this Kratom for about 3 months now and he's had ZERO side effects, and it's got him off the oxy, which he was severely addicted to. He swears by it.

And I can see why big pharma doesn't like it. It's helping people get off THEIR DRUGS so they're losing money, so there's going to be lobbying and a smear campaign. They did the same thing with pot.

A Mississippi Task Force is Spreading Propaganda Across the State to Ban Kratom

https://www.kratomscience.com/2019/08/01/a-mississippi-task-force-is-spreading-propaganda-across-the-state-to-ban-kratom/

So IDK... but I think I'm going to try it.

There's been people chewing the Kratom leaves for virtually centuries.

[Kathianne]

Yeah... that's like with ANY drug... like when you see all these drugs advertised on TV, they go ON and ON about the "possible" side effects.

My neighbor has been doing this Kratom for about 3 months now and he's had ZERO side effects, and it's got him off the oxy, which he was severely addicted to. He swears by it.

Everyone has to make their own choices. I'm not big on any supplements-natural or not. Heck, other than antibiotics I really hate any meds and even antibiotics I avoid because I want them if I'm super sick or a limb is in danger of being amputated. ;)

Because there's no regulation-kind of puts it in the same basket as illegal drugs, you never know what's in them.

OTOH, if you find a company you trust, make your choices.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Everyone has to make their own choices. I'm not big on any supplements-natural or not. Heck, other than antibiotics I really hate any meds and even antibiotics I avoid because I want them if I'm super sick or a limb is in danger of being amputated. ;)

Because there's no regulation-kind of puts it in the same basket as illegal drugs, you never know what's in them.

OTOH, if you find a company you trust, make your choices.
Yeah it's not like it's new. It's been around for centuries. They're just having a stink about it now because it's gaining popularity, and it's actually helping people kick the habit of big pharma drugs, and anything that cuts into their profits, oh boy, they can't have that, even if their drugs are highly addictive and have been killing people by the thousands, they don't care, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE BENJAMINS, BABY... :rolleyes:

[STTAB]

The only drug I'm on is life baby.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Just found out it is ILLEGAL to even POSSESS in the state of Wisconsin... of freakin' course... it's a FELONY... so, that's that for me. Not going to even think about it.

It's actually illegal in 6 states.

[jimnyc]

The stuff sounds very interesting and is gaining popularity. I'm thinking of ordering some myself.

Anyone here ever heard of it, used it, know anyone that's used it?

KRATOM SCIENCE: https://www.kratomscience.com/strains-effects-and-dosage/comment-page-4/#comment-51878

I have, and even have some. It keeps pretty well so long as you don't keep it open.

It's kind of like taking opiates aka pain killers, but yet not. It affects the brain similarly, but in a smaller way. And there are TONS of types from many countries. I have only tried the "Green Bali" which is a nice mellow one. I take like a tablespoon at a time, and next time not for another 4 hours if you choose to. Some go overboard with like 10 tablespoons at a time. I see no need to abuse it, so, don't listen to everything you read about dosages. If you try, start small like that. And don't get the "extracts", IMO, as they are supposed to be much much stronger.

It's went back and forth in the legality department but too many complaints to the DEA and it never was banned. I do think like 5 or 6 states its illegal anyway. Being it's a drug as such, most credit card companies won't let the merchants use them, not even Paypal. So some take Venmo and other weird sources.

I used "Pharmacy Dropout", which is a funny catchy name, but they're reliable from what I read. - http://pdobotanicals.com/ and the one I bought - http://pdobotanicals.com/products/green-bali/

Stay in small amounts like that and you'll be fine. I also wouldn't use it more than a few days. I don't take chances anymore on getting addicted to anything, so maybe that's just me. But that's what brought me to the product way back when - as apparently it's been used in China to help people having opiate withdrawals. And it worked! But it's also good for other things, and the many strains are beneficial for many things. But again, like anything in life - all about moderation. I've never had more than but a few doses at a time, and never but for a few days. Then I typically don't touch it though. But it does help with getting energy at minimum.

But as Kath pointed out, it does have some things to watch out for - and likely from people abusing it taking too much, or by taking it daily for lengths at a time. Well hell, beer, cigs, they all do the same thing in time.

Another thing - it is HORRIBLE tasting. Either swallow it and quickly wash with something like OJ to get rid of the taste, or figure something else out. It's nasty! LOL

[jimnyc]

Just found out it is ILLEGAL to even POSSESS in the state of Wisconsin... of freakin' course... it's a FELONY... so, that's that for me. Not going to even think about it.

It's actually illegal in 6 states.

I suppose I should have read the rest before replying. All that typing for nothing. Please MOVE so that my writing doesn't go to waste. Thanks!

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I suppose I should have read the rest before replying. All that typing for nothing. Please MOVE so that my writing doesn't go to waste. Thanks!
........ :laugh:

Yeah maybe I shouldn't say this but, I already mentioned it anyway, my neighbor uses it and he loves it. He's severely addicted to oxycodone, so he runs out and then has nightmarish withdrawals. But since he's started this stuff, he doesn't get withdrawal symptoms at all. So there's a place not far from here in Iowa that sells it over the counter, all the different types, different powders and pills, but yeah, that FELONY stuff scares the crap otta me. I think I'm just going to steer clear of it, even though I really would have liked to try some. Lots of people do, and I don't think Johnny law around here even gives a damn... who knows... I'm just not one to take too many chances with something that could literally get me thrown in prison.

[Elessar]

I will not touch anything like that. I am sensitive to cocaine but
felt no effects of vicodin 250mg after 3 surgeries. Darvon flat
knocked me out! Took it for a muscle insert tear behind my ear in football.

Everyone's body chemistry is different.

[Gunny]

I will not touch anything like that. I am sensitive to cocaine but
felt no effects of vicodin 250mg after 3 surgeries. Darvon flat
knocked me out! Took it for a muscle insert tear behind my ear in football.

Everyone's body chemistry is different.

I'd say so. I can't take opiates. I turn into Superman. I'll tear up a gym and go all day lifting heavy.

Then you wake up next day and your body is sending a message -- don't bother trying to get up :buttkick: So you suffer, or take more oxy. So I just never take it. Keeps me real :laugh:

[Elessar]

I found out the cocaine sensitivity when it was used to numb
my central cortex to begin the procedure to irrigate my sinuses.
I did not feel a thing, but heard the snap when they broke into the sinuses
and use saline to clear them.

Doc told me it was over and I could leave with cotton stuffed up inside until the
bleeding stopped. Sat up on the gurney and fell flat on my back. It took 4 hours to
sleep that off.

Far better than driving an ice covered I-79 from Morgantown WV back to Fairmont WV.:laugh:

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I'd say so. I can't take opiates. I turn into Superman. I'll tear up a gym and go all day lifting heavy.

Then you wake up next day and your body is sending a message -- don't bother trying to get up :buttkick: So you suffer, or take more oxy. So I just never take it. Keeps me real :laugh:
Yeah... I'll have to say, when I take my oxycodone, I can go like a machine.

[NT'sGirl]

The stuff sounds very interesting and is gaining popularity. I'm thinking of ordering some myself.

Anyone here ever heard of it, used it, know anyone that's used it?

KRATOM SCIENCE: https://www.kratomscience.com/strains-effects-and-dosage/comment-page-4/#comment-51878


They just added this to the National Survey for Drug Use and Health. I guess its the new thing. It was interesting to research it.

[Gunny]

They just added this to the National Survey for Drug Use and Health. I guess its the new thing. It was interesting to research it.I forgot to mention. I'm on the Kathianne bandwagon. I don't take anything I don't need. "Need" would be defined as ibuprofen. Before I get the lecture, I'm aware it's allegedly hard on the liver/and or kidneys. I DO recall when the same was said about acetomeniphen. Now, the latter's okay and the "wonder drug of the 90s" isn't :rolleyes:

I've basically quit taking sinus meds. That's on a dire need basis only. Mostly because of the stupid laws. Doesn't look like it's slowed down meth production much. Like anything else, only law-abiding citizens are affected.

I take vitamins, minerals and some herbal supplements. When I don't forget :)

[jimnyc]

........ :laugh:

Yeah maybe I shouldn't say this but, I already mentioned it anyway, my neighbor uses it and he loves it. He's severely addicted to oxycodone, so he runs out and then has nightmarish withdrawals. But since he's started this stuff, he doesn't get withdrawal symptoms at all. So there's a place not far from here in Iowa that sells it over the counter, all the different types, different powders and pills, but yeah, that FELONY stuff scares the crap otta me. I think I'm just going to steer clear of it, even though I really would have liked to try some. Lots of people do, and I don't think Johnny law around here even gives a damn... who knows... I'm just not one to take too many chances with something that could literally get me thrown in prison.


I will not touch anything like that. I am sensitive to cocaine but
felt no effects of vicodin 250mg after 3 surgeries. Darvon flat
knocked me out! Took it for a muscle insert tear behind my ear in football.

Everyone's body chemistry is different.


I'd say so. I can't take opiates. I turn into Superman. I'll tear up a gym and go all day lifting heavy.

Then you wake up next day and your body is sending a message -- don't bother trying to get up :buttkick: So you suffer, or take more oxy. So I just never take it. Keeps me real :laugh:


Yeah... I'll have to say, when I take my oxycodone, I can go like a machine.

For clarification - Kratom is NOT an opiate, but 'may' feel like an opiate when taken. And if any concern is about what opiates do to you, or have done, kratom doesn't affect you the same. No crazy feelings like that. Slightly, but not enough to say it's the same. BUT, while not the same, you CAN get addicted from it, and that's why I never took it more than 2 days in a row, and waiting at least 7 days if I can. I'm just a little crazy like that. :)

The main thing is the "unknown" in the US. But in other countries it's actually used as a medicine. Remember CBD oils about 10 years ago? Once benefits were proven, they finally legalized it. For now, some states make it illegal, and others have limitations, like NY having to be over 18. But some places like Wisconsin it's outright illegal. Because of abuse by some kids. I don't blame them at all! And I'm surprised that some even sell i if it's illegal. But a lot of doctors, scientists and folks who use kratom are fighting for it's legality. But who knows. :dunno:

[NavyCop]

If you want to know more on Kratom and have Netflix check out Leaf of Faith. The film talks to both those for and against it being legal, scientists that study the plant and those that consume it.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

If you want to know more on Kratom and have Netflix check out Leaf of Faith. The film talks to both those for and against it being legal, scientists that study the plant and those that consume it.
It's legal in 44 states. I don't know why it's illegal in WI with all it's liberals that love pot and whatnot here. I hope they legalize it here.

I think the ONLY reason it's illegal is because of some big pharma lobbying here.