Will Barr Help Protect The Republic?

[Kathianne]

He may be the only one that can. Honestly, regardless of my feelings about the President, I do think that our system is worth keeping. The behavior of those that felt that it would be ok to keep him from being able to take office or remove him as soon as possible, BECAUSE they believed they really did/do know better than the people, must be exposed and punished.

I think the following says it well:

https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2019/07/sometimes-a-coup-is-just-a-coup/

[Kathianne]

After the past 48-72 hours, I'm really unsure if any of the forces that are pulling the country apart can be stopped. I'm just about convinced that the 'leaders', 'elite' have decided that they ARE going to change the country, in spite of the people not agreeing with much of what is going on.

Poll after poll shows:
The people do not want the president impeached.
They don't like how the president 'talks,' especially when it 'may' be interpreted as hurtful.
They fear that people are going to far over politics. (See "The Hunt" that Elessar mentions in movie reviews)
The 'left' and 'right' are polarized-the independents trend towards one or the other, depending on the issue.

Following the shootings we've seen I believe, all 7 of the top draw Democrat candidates and some of the bottom dwellers, call the president a 'white supremacist' and responsible for at least the shootings in El Paso. I haven't seen any MSM editorials chastising them for being so irresponsible.

Saw a congressman doxxing his own constituents for having the audacity of giving their money to a candidate they supported. He then called them supporters of white supremacy.

Had other representatives and a Democrat presidential candidate announce that the President was not welcome in "their" city.

Only hopeful signs:

Protesters in both Dayton and El Paso for and against the President carried their signs, had their say and didn't get into fights. (I'm shocked that some politicians didn't have some ringers to start something.)

The mayors of both cities found some positive things to say about the visit, (though in Dayton she got more snarky about gun control, but I can overlook that). Both said that regardless of how they or anyone else said, it meant a lot to the first responders, victims/families, and hospital workers. None of those that were there for the visits, could overcome the national level politicians from injecting as much venom as possible.

The problems in the country are not arising from 'the people,' for the most part, but the politicians/elites. It's not just 'their' side, it's pervasive. Yes, the left has been much more directly violent and has more than caught up now with setting up their base to turn more violent.

I suppose the only hope is that the majority of 'the people' refuse to be drawn by the set up that seems to being prepared by the leaders. So far, that is how it's looking. I hope it lasts.

[Kathianne]

After a bit of sleep and watching some early am news and reading a bit, especially headlines, it looks like as usual, got to include the MSM into the movement to bring on civil war. Of course it's framed as if it's all on the 'right,' ignoring what they have written in the past few days; what the democrat candidates have said; purposefully blamed the President for El Paso, while totally ignoring what the Dayton shooter wrote and did over a period of nearly 10 years; playing up anti-Trump protesters, playing down that there were Trump supporters and there was minimal animosity between the two groups.

None of the liars in politics nor media are being held accountable. They are making blanket statements, no one is asking them follow up, just start their own (media) editorializing totally dependent on whether they are from the left or right. I think more and more people are starting, gradually to realize that manipulation is going on, from many different sources. The disconnect between the MSM and D.C. and the people is rapidly growing and was already a pretty wide chasm.

It is getting past time to demand that our 'leaders' lead away from the precipice. There should be punishment for a Castro targeting donors; or Biden calling the President a direct cause of the El Paso shooter.

Wrongs by the elite class must be judged by the people, on how much punishment they should give, from admonishments to shunning. If the people do not grab back control the leaders will destroy the country.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

After a bit of sleep and watching some early am news and reading a bit, especially headlines, it looks like as usual, got to include the MSM into the movement to bring on civil war. Of course it's framed as if it's all on the 'right,' ignoring what they have written in the past few days; what the democrat candidates have said; purposefully blamed the President for El Paso, while totally ignoring what the Dayton shooter wrote and did over a period of nearly 10 years; playing up anti-Trump protesters, playing down that there were Trump supporters and there was minimal animosity between the two groups.

None of the liars in politics nor media are being held accountable. They are making blanket statements, no one is asking them follow up, just start their own (media) editorializing totally dependent on whether they are from the left or right. I think more and more people are starting, gradually to realize that manipulation is going on, from many different sources. The disconnect between the MSM and D.C. and the people is rapidly growing and was already a pretty wide chasm.

It is getting past time to demand that our 'leaders' lead away from the precipice. There should be punishment for a Castro targeting donors; or Biden calling the President a direct cause of the El Paso shooter.

Wrongs by the elite class must be judged by the people, on how much punishment they should give, from admonishments to shunning. If the people do not grab back control the leaders will destroy the country.
You're right on the money... you've nailed it in this thread so far.

I can't even watch the news lately. The more I hear these SHYSTER, BASTARD, RAT TURD DEMOCRATS spewing their RAUCOUS CRAP about WHITE SUPREMACY and TRUMP IS A RACIST, it just makes my blood boil. I don't hear a WORD out of Trump that has sounded RACIST, or a WORD from him that would give me the impression that he's a WHITE SUPREMACIST, or ENABLES white supremacists. These democrats and their propaganda wing just SPEW AT WILL the most INFLAMMATORY OUTRAGEOUS BULL SHIT, and it is absolutely DISGUSTING. I can't watch it. I do fear the day these people might take back the white house though, or the senate, or both... God save us... they will RUIN this nation. We WILL see a second civil war, either that or states will secede and the nation will divide up. The left has turned full blown anti constitution, anti capitalist, anti patriotism, anti nationalism, they're just full blown ANTI AMERICAN now, and I'm afraid it's not going to end well. They have fanned the flames of their radical left wing so hot that there's no cooling them down at this point. They are ultra fanatical, partisan zealots that will use whatever means necessary to achieve their goal, which is POWER, and those means can be hypocrisy, hyperbole, lying, corruption and yes, even VIOLENCE.

[Kathianne]

You're right on the money... you've nailed it in this thread so far.

I can't even watch the news lately. The more I hear these SHYSTER, BASTARD, RAT TURD DEMOCRATS spewing their RAUCOUS CRAP about WHITE SUPREMACY and TRUMP IS A RACIST, it just makes my blood boil. I don't hear a WORD out of Trump that has sounded RACIST, or a WORD from him that would give me the impression that he's a WHITE SUPREMACIST, or ENABLES white supremacists. These democrats and their propaganda wing just SPEW AT WILL the most INFLAMMATORY OUTRAGEOUS BULL SHIT, and it is absolutely DISGUSTING. I can't watch it. I do fear the day these people might take back the white house though, or the senate, or both... God save us... they will RUIN this nation. We WILL see a second civil war, either that or states will secede and the nation will divide up. The left has turned full blown anti constitution, anti capitalist, anti patriotism, anti nationalism, they're just full blown ANTI AMERICAN now, and I'm afraid it's not going to end well. They have fanned the flames of their radical left wing so hot that there's no cooling them down at this point. They are ultra fanatical, partisan zealots that will use whatever means necessary to achieve their goal, which is POWER, and those means can be hypocrisy, hyperbole, lying, corruption and yes, even VIOLENCE.


You're hearing what you want from the left, but none of the sane things coming forth. You don't hear what you don't want to from the right.

It's normal, but the leaders are not and in all honesty, I'm not even sure the 'leaders' are whom we think they are.

I know, 'conspiracy' which is not me. Just don't know how else to explain the past decade and how it got from there to here.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

You're hearing what you want from the left, but none of the sane things coming forth. You don't hear what you don't want to from the right.

No... that's not true at all. I hear what's being said, period, and all the wild, crazy talk is coming from the left. It's not cryptic, it's blatantly obvious. You just got through saying as much yourself.


It's normal, but the leaders are not and in all honesty, I'm not even sure the 'leaders' are whom we think they are.

I know, 'conspiracy' which is not me. Just don't know how else to explain the past decade and how it got from there to here.

[Kathianne]

You're right on the money... you've nailed it in this thread so far.

I can't even watch the news lately. The more I hear these SHYSTER, BASTARD, RAT TURD DEMOCRATS spewing their RAUCOUS CRAP about WHITE SUPREMACY and TRUMP IS A RACIST, it just makes my blood boil. I don't hear a WORD out of Trump that has sounded RACIST, or a WORD from him that would give me the impression that he's a WHITE SUPREMACIST, or ENABLES white supremacists. These democrats and their propaganda wing just SPEW AT WILL the most INFLAMMATORY OUTRAGEOUS BULL SHIT, and it is absolutely DISGUSTING. I can't watch it. I do fear the day these people might take back the white house though, or the senate, or both... God save us... they will RUIN this nation. We WILL see a second civil war, either that or states will secede and the nation will divide up. The left has turned full blown anti constitution, anti capitalist, anti patriotism, anti nationalism, they're just full blown ANTI AMERICAN now, and I'm afraid it's not going to end well. They have fanned the flames of their radical left wing so hot that there's no cooling them down at this point. They are ultra fanatical, partisan zealots that will use whatever means necessary to achieve their goal, which is POWER, and those means can be hypocrisy, hyperbole, lying, corruption and yes, even VIOLENCE.


You're hearing what you want from the left, but none of the sane things coming forth. You don't hear what you don't want to from the right.

It's normal, but the leaders are not and in all honesty, I'm not even sure the 'leaders' are whom we think they are.

I know, 'conspiracy' which is not me. Just don't know how else to explain the past decade and how it got from there to here.


No... that's not true at all. I hear what's being said, period, and all the wild, crazy talk is coming from the left. It's not cryptic, it's blatantly obvious. You just got through saying as much yourself.


It's not just you, it's most. The other side is so 'out there' and they feel the same. The right feels unfairly portrayed and the left thinks they are sinners.

Both sides want the other to 'wise up.'

The elites want to destroy their opposition and followers.

[Kathianne]

This resonates, which doesn't happen often with Redstate. So far I agree that the most egregious examples are coming from the left. It's been mindboggling. My guess is we're within hours of seeing some from the other side:

https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2019/08/07/media-crossed-line-week-theres-no-going-back/


The Media Crossed A Line This Week And There’s No Going Back
Posted at 8:00 pm on August 7, 2019 by Bonchie

This has been one of the most hectic and disturbing news cycles I can remember.


It started off with three mass shootings within a 24 hour period, one in El Paso, one in Dayton, and one in Chicago. Because the latter two didn’t fit the narrative, they were essentially memory-holed right away. I don’t think the shooting in Chicago even made national news for the most part.


While acts of evil are distressing enough, it was the response to those shootings which has brought such a unique dread to the public sphere. Bad things have happened throughout our history, but the venom with which one side is attacking the other over things they had nothing to do with has reached a new level in the modern era. It really does feel like we are coming apart at the seams, with near majorities of the country being accused of “white supremacy” by some major figures simply for supporting a politician.


Driving the division, broad brushing, and hatred this week had been the liberal media. Whether it’s newspapers amplifying the disgusting rhetoric of people like Beto O’Rourke and Elizabeth Warren or the constant stream of divisive, racially tinged editorials that are being pushed out, there’s no question of their role. The cable news beat has been even worse, with one MSNBC host actually saying that Donald Trump wants there to be mass shootings while another threatened business owners as complicit in white supremacy who donate to the GOP.


I never thought I’d say this during the Trump era because things are also so crazy, but this week was different. A line was crossed by the media and there’s no going back.


Here’s a sampling of some of the insane and incredibly dangerous rhetoric that’s been bandied about.

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[High_Plains_Drifter]

It's not just you, it's most. The other side is so 'out there' and they feel the same. The right feels unfairly portrayed and the left thinks they are sinners.

Both sides want the other to 'wise up.'

The elites want to destroy their opposition and followers.
You do have a tendency to compare the leftists and conservatives as though they're both equally guilty of craziness, corruption and wild hyperbole, and that's where I have to disagree. I thought you were finally starting to see that the left are the ones that have basically gone off the rails. There is no real comparison. You don't see conservatives talking like democrats, ever, or protesting outside a democrats house in the middle of the night scraping shovels on the sidewalk screaming obscenities and death threats, or burning down towns, or blocking traffic, or holding up bloody severed heads, or talking about blowing up the white house, or harassing people in restaurants, on and on. The left is the crazy bunch, Kath, there's just no denying it, they're 100x worse than conservatives, and it's got nothing to do with what you want to believe. All you have to do is read.

We've all had this conversation here many times now. I don't want to beat the dead horse so, I'll just leave it at that. Gotta go anyway. Have to ride with Heather to Dubuque to get some factory recall done on an air bag in her car. Might as well stop at the Diamond Joe casino there to make the trip worthwhile... :laugh:

[Kathianne]

I do see the greater violence on the left, no mistaking that as my many posts demonstrate. Where we disagree is that the right also has their members that can't wait for show up to 'bring the fight to them, then it's on.' So far I'd say that part of the reason for the differences is the general broad brush that most on the right still believe in following the laws. Another factor, the left has many more young males. The left also has lots of crazy older women, as evidenced by the crazies in front of McConnell's home the other day.

[Kathianne]

I think everyone should read this, regardless of party or preferences:

http://peggynoonan.com/america-needs-to-rediscover-tact/


America Needs to Rediscover Tact
In our politics, holding back and minimizing pain has given way to rubbing people’s noses in defeat.
-- The Wall Street Journal: July 18, 2019



I want to kick away from the daily and get to something larger.


We are a nation of just under 330 million. We have a lot of disputes, always have, argument is one of our traditions. To make it all work, to keep this thing going, we have to give each other a little room, a little space. We have so many different thoughts and ways. We have to be easy with each other, not pick on each other all the time.

This requires tact, which sounds sissy and small-time but is not. Tact takes brains and discipline. It’s a form of empathy: You see the other guy is embarrassed or unhappy, and you decide not to make it worse. You hold back from causing unnecessary pain. It is connected to graciousness: You let your foe up easy.


In a great roiling democracy tact isn’t only desirable, it is necessary. We won’t hold together as a nation without it.


And we don’t value it at all. We let it slide down the hole of old habits. Who teaches civic tact now?


What has taken its place in our political culture is a spirit of maximalism—let’s rub their faces in it.


In New York six months ago it wasn’t enough to pass one of the most radical pro-abortion laws in the land; you had to light up the World Trade Center and the Governor Mario M. Cuomo Bridge in pink lights to celebrate. So that even the skyline approves of what you did. You say you do this because you’re happy. You do it to rub the opposition’s faces in it.


Before all that and most famously there was “bake my cake.” You’re not allowed simply to absorb the nation’s changing ways; you have to become part of my wedding even if your faith prohibits this, and if you don’t, I’ll gather my friends and kill your business. Progressives cannot understand what a wound this was to conservative Christians, who were obeying the law but hoped not to be pushed around.


Nike makes a new sneaker they’re unveiling on July 4, and it’s got a Betsy Ross flag on it, but Colin Kaepernick, a bright and eccentric young man, declares that flag a racist symbol because we used to have slavery and now have unresolved racial problems. And Nike says: What Colin says goes, no flag sneaker for you, America! Who’s worse, Mr. Kaepernick, so full of himself that his need to provide moral instruction is never ameliorated by any personal modesty, or the mealy-mouthed weasel-cynic corporate executives who in their play-to-the-demographic, postpatriotic way give worldly success a bad name?


What does it matter? They’re rubbing your face in it.


This week there was a poll on race, and it showed Americans disheartened on the issue. I believe it.


I have been aware of race and of the difficulties of black citizens since I was 7. It was on the news every night—sit-ins at lunch counters, the freedom riders, desegregating the schools. It was clear to a child, clearer perhaps than to many adults, that it was wrong to treat people badly, wrong to not let people vote or get a Coke, wrong to push them around.


Years later a respected journalist, now an editor but previously a Southern reporter, said to me that you couldn’t stand on a hill and look down on the kids and the police dogs and the fire hoses and not know whose side you were on. Then this highly secular man said, with real feeling: “You couldn’t see it and not know whose side Jesus was on.”

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In the past, whether you were racist could be judged by your actions. You held ugly biases, you said or did things that were definitionally discriminatory. The bad news is that you were this way, but the good news is that you could change. You could widen your lens, let some love in, say, think or do better things. You could improve.


And as you did, so would the nation. So there was hope.


Which was pretty wonderful. You could think, “I will help establish full civil rights for all.” You could commit yourself and succeed. You had agency.


Now the idea has taken hold that the charge of racism doesn’t derive from thoughts and actions, from what people say and do, but from who they are. If you are white that accident of birth left you racist, and there’s nothing you can do about it. You’ve got white privilege. You are unconsciously favored, and unconsciously assign disfavor. Either way you’re guilty. No action or word can turn this around.


So change is not possible; improvement will not happen. There’s no way out.


This is demoralizing. America can never become a better place if it isn’t even allowed to think it can.

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Americans watching know their country is riven by drugs, inequality, lack of social cohesion. They see the migrants and grimly think: Oh good, more unhappy people to join our unhappy people—maybe we can all be unhappy and take drugs together. That will improve things!


But this week on “CBS This Morning,” Norah O’Donnell toured the largest detention facility on the border and talked to a young mother from Venezuela with a 2-year-old son. She told her story. For months at home she’d heard nothing but gunfire. She fled alone with her son, just the two of them on the long trek north. She wept as she talked.


She was a person of modesty and dignity.


She said she had warm food here. They provided Pampers for the baby. Ms. O’Donnell said: But you are sleeping on the floor. Yes, said the mother, “on a mat.”


She showed no resentment, expressed no demand. She was just grateful.


She had tact.


Get her in here, please. We need her kind.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I do see the greater violence on the left, no mistaking that as my many posts demonstrate. Where we disagree is that the right also has their members that can't wait for show up to 'bring the fight to them, then it's on.'
Human nature.

You keep spitting on me, insulting me, hitting me, calling me names and harassing me, and I didn't ask for it or deserve it, then I'm going to fight back. I tried to mind my own business but you wouldn't let me.

That's my sentiment when it comes to democrats.