Moscow Problems

[Kathianne]

Protests last weekend and this:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49125045

and in Hong Kong, the protests have hit the trains:

https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/hong-kong-yuen-long-protests-intl-hnk/index.html

[Drummond]

Protests last weekend and this:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49125045

and in Hong Kong, the protests have hit the trains:

https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/hong-kong-yuen-long-protests-intl-hnk/index.html

The Hong Kong story is receiving a lot of attention over here (.. of course, because of the historic relationship Hong Kong had with the UK). The Moscow story .. some coverage evident, though not so prominently covered -- at least, not in our domestic broadcasts.

I'd be interested to see if @Balu (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=3557) might be persuaded to come out of the woodwork, just long enough to give us all his 'take' on what happened in Moscow (that is, if he still has a means of reaching this forum) ? I'm betting he'll take a strongly pro-Authority line, maybe chuck in a denigration against those 'naughty' protesters.

So ... Balu, care to give us your thoughts ? Here's an opportunity to prove me wrong !! Care to take it ?

Give it your best ......

[FakeNewsSux]

It's the same over here Drummond, a good bit of Hong Kong coverage but little Russia coverage. I haven't been in Hong Kong since the turnover but it was my favorite overseas destination in a previous business life. The Brits sure knew how to run a colony. It's interesting to see how China is handling the situation. Could Trump's tariffs be preventing Beijing from going full on Tienanmen Square on 'em? Choking off the cash machine during an economic downturn with Trump threatening more tariffs might not be the best move.

And ask Balu if he overheard the mayor of Moscow say, "We'er the ones that we've been waiting for! Help us perfect The People's government!"

[Gunny]

It's the same over here Drummond, a good bit of Hong Kong coverage but little Russia coverage. I haven't been in Hong Kong since the turnover but it was my favorite overseas destination in a previous business life. The Brits sure knew how to run a colony. It's interesting to see how China is handling the situation. Could Trump's tariffs be preventing Beijing from going full on Tienanmen Square on 'em? Choking off the cash machine during an economic downturn with Trump threatening more tariffs might not be the best move.

And ask Balu if he overheard the mayor of Moscow say, "We'er the ones that we've been waiting for! Help us perfect The People's government!"IMO, China isn't using the Tienamen Square tactic for the same reason they didn't close Hong Kong once they got their greasy mitts on it: $. That and international stature. I think it is in China's best interest to have an open port.

Can't agree with you on the "favorite destination in a past life" thing though. I didn't like it at all. To each his own :)

[Kathianne]

https://hotair.com/archives/taylormillard/2019/07/28/russia-hong-kong-vs-protesters/

Russia, protester that was 'arrested' sickens in jail-undefined chemical sickening:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/28/russian-opposition-calls-for-more-protests-after-mass-arrests


Russian police 'crack down': almost 1400 arrested

https://www.vox.com/world/2019/7/28/8933948/russia-protests-police-crack-down-moscow-demonstrations



Hong Kong:

Chants of 'Free Hong Kong' and tear gas response:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-49143207

I've been following Michael Yon, foreign photo jounalist who's been covering Hong Kong

https://www.facebook.com/MichaelYonFanPage/?__tn__=kC-R&eid=ARDFeXvIoL8L4sN_biwW-2Ib-1oKU-h4ZrIdIrJ2aZNSGX0w7qyhihANKhGDlLlvNUlW1SkV7YwYJH-2&hc_ref=ARTzIM978zijK0qG5AEwZIYriCF4zmpYRjW7EqvD1r2 ZCcBH04Asgj2aJg3T3GP_Jn8&fref=nf&__xts__[0]=68.ARAHKokaZwaFONxVihyqK7YFelYjuIuWBYD-L1pXjiu-68LLj3Rp7gQOgW5aLDl03uY-NzP7CsZbyXrTNB8JIBGLkjLQmQiPKtpDVaATZ9kivF0U5bcekU 38Bf17IrB8I3teiUTJMKH23mjAwc4eYwj-gxdFEyTFkvFkZlDHvlP9fDrrihoPBlXEQkK1IsloFrELlSI6i8 5rnExa7F05kV2u7UUYtFM_2TwyUMiucCp1hOCJ42DhI6BroyDF C8q3FQHJlJ6zLZJSaajRTD-LdHZG5JofUbJJQLV5vSO3VFGbEmrpWuYz9TLRB3eOjyJDTJkCQ COI&__xts__[1]=68.ARBaE3Gt_Yhc77kiOZO2Sm5PNrhAqONA3VKStzjF_Klnno a-i8LeiFBxTtuXKnpYfBjwKh0R2i57HCQUs--n-vSrv9HEc3R7PNfPFuxMeKnRIfgMHXKL0nFJ2jqKNrqMRguTfaj kVIq6Y2WSkripN603zp--L0--jVDK2rmaxqL5Dhyh_J6SVY5OOq3Wvub89FwRag5Nk-P5fb48fzoXvVB3pOUGOvcYmZSuqaCm_uhWCMuYOfnhGMWbTyoa Z8MMv6lBTZXC5G5Q-3BYeoXba3aeUBYIEkFSK94zDYtvSoxQWS4vAjBqpEOYC7KD3HP XF3ubxxw_

[Gunny]

I'm not seeing either as having a chance in Hell :)

[Drummond]

Not a peep from Balu. I really thought he might've emerged to say something.

Maybe .. even HE thinks that his people went too far, this time ?

I'd like to believe it.

[Gunny]

Not a peep from Balu. I really thought he might've emerged to say something.

Maybe .. even HE thinks that his people went too far, this time ?

I'd like to believe it.I'm assuming your concern is in the "rightness/wrongness" and not the "this is the same ol' same ol' from Russia regardless it's name and/or what its rulers call themselves". I would be surprised it it DIDN'T happen. "Peaceful Protest in Moscow/St Petersburg". That just doesn't work. :)

[Balu]

One gone - less lie. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/dirol.gif

Russian journalist Vladimir Kara-Murza dies at the age of 59, says son

Vladimir Kara-Murza is one of the founders of ‘old NTV television’




https://phototass1.cdnvideo.ru/width/1020_b9261fa1/tass/m2/en/uploads/i/20190728/1227032.jpg

Vladimir Kara-Murza, 2001
© Alexander Danilyushin/TASS

MOSCOW, July 28./TASS/. Historian, journalist and TV host Vladimir Kara-Murza died on Sunday at the age of 59, his son Vladimir said in a tweet (https://twitter.com/vkaramurza/status/1155395637237735424?s=20).
"A historian, a TV journalist, one of the founders of ‘old NTV television’, my father died at 8m on his name-day," Vladimir Kara-Murza Jr. tweeted.

[Gunny]

Hey look Drummond, Balu came back. And he brought a dead opposition politician with him.

Way to make an entrance :smoke:

[Drummond]

One gone - less lie. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/dirol.gif

Russian journalist Vladimir Kara-Murza dies at the age of 59, says son

Vladimir Kara-Murza is one of the founders of ‘old NTV television’




https://phototass1.cdnvideo.ru/width/1020_b9261fa1/tass/m2/en/uploads/i/20190728/1227032.jpg

Vladimir Kara-Murza, 2001
© Alexander Danilyushin/TASS

MOSCOW, July 28./TASS/. Historian, journalist and TV host Vladimir Kara-Murza died on Sunday at the age of 59, his son Vladimir said in a tweet (https://twitter.com/vkaramurza/status/1155395637237735424?s=20).
"A historian, a TV journalist, one of the founders of ‘old NTV television’, my father died at 8m on his name-day," Vladimir Kara-Murza Jr. tweeted.

Ah, Balu ... here you are !!

Your intended point, is ... ?

In the meantime, do you have any direct, clear, unambiguous view of your own to offer on this story .. ? >>

https://www.vox.com/world/2019/7/28/8933948/russia-protests-police-crack-down-moscow-demonstrations

If it's the case that censorship / monitoring activities in your homeland will make a posted answer awkward for you to attempt ... well, I'm sure we'll all understand !:rolleyes:

[Balu]

Ah, Balu ... here you are !!

Your intended point, is ... ?

In the meantime, do you have any direct, clear, unambiguous view of your own to offer on this story .. ? >>

https://www.vox.com/world/2019/7/28/8933948/russia-protests-police-crack-down-moscow-demonstrations

If it's the case that censorship / monitoring activities in your homeland will make a posted answer awkward for you to attempt ... well, I'm sure we'll all understand !:rolleyes:
I did not get what you want to hear. Everything is described and clear.
The protesters violated the Law twice:
1. When they provided false signatures in favor of candidates;
2. When they called for and participated in an unauthorized rally.
Our authorities are too moderate and soft. The provision of false lists is worth to a jail sentence. The participation in unauthorized rally should have caused an administrative arrests and penalties. Disobedience to the orders of police must have caused rubber bullets, water cannons and tear gas - the ordinary means to secure an order in all civilized countries.

[jimnyc]

Speaking of journalists - saw one - a woman - get the shit beat out of her by the police line - because she did NOTHING and didn't move fast enough for their liking.

Moscow still continues to be a dictator led craphole, IMO.

Beautiful place, but even beautiful places can be ruined.

[Kathianne]

Speaking of journalists - saw one - a woman - get the shit beat out of her by the police line - because she did NOTHING and didn't move fast enough for their liking.

Moscow still continues to be a dictator led craphole, IMO.

Beautiful place, but even beautiful places can be ruined.


and poisoning, more this morning:

https://abcnews.go.com/International/vladimir-putin-critic-alexey-navalny-hospitalized-suspected-poisoning/story?id=64614794

[Drummond]

and poisoning, more this morning:

https://abcnews.go.com/International/vladimir-putin-critic-alexey-navalny-hospitalized-suspected-poisoning/story?id=64614794

Yes. Originally reported as being hospitalised because of an 'allergic reaction', now, the belief is that he was poisoned.

Our latest reports say he was only permitted ONE day in hospital .. and is now back in prison.

[STTAB]

IMO, China isn't using the Tienamen Square tactic for the same reason they didn't close Hong Kong once they got their greasy mitts on it: $. That and international stature. I think it is in China's best interest to have an open port.

Can't agree with you on the "favorite destination in a past life" thing though. I didn't like it at all. To each his own :)

Hong Kong was okay when I was there, nothing to want to see again.

Give me Melbourne or even Abu Dhabi and I mean I personally love London as well.

[Drummond]

I did not get what you want to hear. Everything is described and clear.
The protesters violated the Law twice:
1. When they provided false signatures in favor of candidates;
2. When they called for and participated in an unauthorized rally.
Our authorities are too moderate and soft. The provision of false lists is worth to a jail sentence. The participation in unauthorized rally should have caused an administrative arrests and penalties. Disobedience to the orders of police must have caused rubber bullets, water cannons and tear gas - the ordinary means to secure an order in all civilized countries.

This might be a stupid question to ask, but I'll ask it anyway ... so, Balu, do you not feel that any worthy cause was being protested about ?

If given the fullest latitude ... what measures would you REALLY like to see meted out to these protesters ?

Might is right ?

[Drummond]

Hong Kong was okay when I was there, nothing to want to see again.

Give me Melbourne or even Abu Dhabi and I mean I personally love London as well.

Seems we have something in common (forgive the off-topic diversion) .. I love London, too.

I should .. it's my 'home' city. I was born there, lived much of my life there.

[STTAB]

Seems we have something in common (forgive the off-topic diversion) .. I love London, too.

I should .. it's my 'home' city. I was born there, lived much of my life there.

I've been four times in my life, and intend to return some day. If things calm down some in Europe that is.

[Balu]

Speaking of journalists - saw one - a woman - get the shit beat out of her by the police line - because she did NOTHING and didn't move fast enough for their liking.

Oh! She must have been lucky that she was not in the USA where she could be easily shot down should she only looked suspicious for any cop. :laugh:
Besides, our policemen need to have classes in NYPD or in London to learn how to treat unauthorized rallies. :clap:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4lRfOQrKF0

[jimnyc]

Oh! She must have been lucky that she was not in the USA where she could be easily shot down should she only looked suspicious for any cop. :laugh:
Besides, our policemen need to have classes in NYPD or in London to learn how to treat unauthorized rallies. :clap:



Our police act under the authority of their local jurisdictions. Then some are at the county level, and then the state level.

Russia - all dictated by a dictator.

More than your police, your entire country needs classes on learning what "freedom" is, and how to make independent decisions, bad or good. Learn what it's like to see votes actually count, and the people actually having more than a 'fake say' in matters. Learn that YES, sometimes the police fuck up and make stupid decisions - and then their newly worn bodycams and all the new regulations is making it quite easy to fire and/or jail those who purposely fuck up. And then learn it's better than having the police do as they wish, whenever they wish, so long as they have the OK from Dictator Putin. Learn what it's like not to have people disappear, or jailed non-stop for lame things, that simply disagree with Putin - or want democracy.

The entire government is absolute shit, which carries over to much of their military and police force who bow down instantly for DicKing Putin on whatever in the world he says.

As a law abiding citizen myself, and one who knows like 98+ % and likely more of police shootings end up being good shootings. I've never once come close to such an interaction, not even close. In Russia, the stats sure are accurate out there!! LOL :rolleyes:

[STTAB]

Our police act under the authority of their local jurisdictions. Then some are at the county level, and then the state level.

Russia - all dictated by a dictator.

More than your police, your entire country needs classes on learning what "freedom" is, and how to make independent decisions, bad or good. Learn what it's like to see votes actually count, and the people actually having more than a 'fake say' in matters. Learn that YES, sometimes the police fuck up and make stupid decisions - and then their newly worn bodycams and all the new regulations is making it quite easy to fire and/or jail those who purposely fuck up. And then learn it's better than having the police do as they wish, whenever they wish, so long as they have the OK from Dictator Putin. Learn what it's like not to have people disappear, or jailed non-stop for lame things, that simply disagree with Putin - or want democracy.

The entire government is absolute shit, which carries over to much of their military and police force who bow down instantly for DicKing Putin on whatever in the world he says.

As a law abiding citizen myself, and one who knows like 98+ % and likely more of police shootings end up being good shootings. I've never once come close to such an interaction, not even close. In Russia, the stats sure are accurate out there!! LOL :rolleyes:

Being lectured about police brutality by a Russian is like being lectured that no means no by Jeffrey Epstein.

[Drummond]

I've been four times in my life, and intend to return some day. If things calm down some in Europe that is.

See how we are after Brexit is dealt with. It may be the making of us.

[Drummond]

Oh! She must have been lucky that she was not in the USA where she could be easily shot down should she only looked suspicious for any cop. :laugh:
Besides, our policemen need to have classes in NYPD or in London to learn how to treat unauthorized rallies. :clap:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4lRfOQrKF0

In London, we meet situations with measure and balance. All-encompassing authoritarianism isn't typical of us. Our people do what's necessary.

'Might is Right' is not automatically our philosophy. I could wish it wasn't yours.

[Gunny]

Hong Kong was okay when I was there, nothing to want to see again.

Give me Melbourne or even Abu Dhabi and I mean I personally love London as well.Abu Dhabi? In Dubai? Yeah. The first and last time I left the compound in the UAE. Walk through two heavily armed perimeters to get off, then get on a bus that drives across flat, open terrain all the way to town. That bus was a sitting duck for a terrorist or two.

I stuck to beer on the pier INSIDE the compound after that trip to town :)

[STTAB]

Abu Dhabi? In Dubai? Yeah. The first and last time I left the compound in the UAE. Walk through two heavily armed perimeters to get off, then get on a bus that drives across flat, open terrain all the way to town. That bus was a sitting duck for a terrorist or two.

I stuck to beer on the pier INSIDE the compound after that trip to town :)

Beautiful city though Gunny , prettiest beaches . And just being honest, some nice people. No more dangerous than the East side of St Louis just being real.

[Balu]

Our police act under the authority of their local jurisdictions. Then some are at the county level, and then the state level.

Russia - all dictated by a dictator.



http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dZ32kYiTbb0/U2D6ukTOMxI/AAAAAAAAN3o/IWdha_zrLNE/s1600/Joseph+Goebbels+4.jpg


You are worthy students of your prof. :clap::clap::clap::clap:

[Gunny]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dZ32kYiTbb0/U2D6ukTOMxI/AAAAAAAAN3o/IWdha_zrLNE/s1600/Joseph+Goebbels+4.jpg


You are worthy students of your prof. :clap::clap::clap::clap:Actually, that quote sounds just like you. Who sounds just like the political line in the news.

[jimnyc]

No other liars here other than you, blue, propagandist. No one here is blind, and we all can read. We read your past "predictions" that were laughable and still waiting on. Russia still has a dictator, nothing has changed. They deliver empty threats, it's all they have, and no one listens anyway. Putin is a dictator. Also a piece of shit, but that's another story entirely.

Anyway, your bragging in another thread about your crappy navy reminds me of kids when they were little running little boats along the road to the drainage sewers. *pow pow* get 'em russkie!

[Balu]

Anyhow, your bragging in another thread about your crappy navy reminds me of kids when they were little running little boats along the road to the drainage sewers. *pow pow* get 'em russkie!
Anyhow, ISIS terrorists in Syria supported by the US aggressors have different opinion as to your affirmation.
And if you have a short memory like guppy's I would remind you about Pristina, Yugoslavia, 1999 when 18 (!!!) Russian paratroopers seized an airport.

https://www.pnp.ru/upload/entities/2019/06/11/article/detailPicture/0f/cb/78/29/70775ce5bb2b86f468b54c5c8ef8cac2.jpg

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Balu]

and poisoning, more this morning:

https://abcnews.go.com/International/vladimir-putin-critic-alexey-navalny-hospitalized-suspected-poisoning/story?id=64614794

Putin - Dictator!!!

"... A doctor for Russia (https://abcnews.go.com/alerts/russia-nation)'s most prominent opposition leader, Alexey Navalny, has suggested the activist has been poisoned after he was hospitalized Sunday after falling mysteriously ill in a Moscow jail. ..."

Diagnosis - urticaria. :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Kathianne]

Putin - Dictator!!!

"... A doctor for Russia (https://abcnews.go.com/alerts/russia-nation)'s most prominent opposition leader, Alexey Navalny, has suggested the activist has been poisoned after he was hospitalized Sunday after falling mysteriously ill in a Moscow jail. ..."

Diagnosis - urticaria. :laugh::laugh::laugh:
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: The only report that accepts that is russian government. LOL! You are a tool!

[CSM]

Anyhow, ISIS terrorists in Syria supported by the US aggressors have different opinion as to your affirmation.
And if you have a short memory like guppy's I would remind you about Pristina, Yugoslavia, 1999 when 18 (!!!) Russian paratroopers seized an airport.

https://www.pnp.ru/upload/entities/2019/06/11/article/detailPicture/0f/cb/78/29/70775ce5bb2b86f468b54c5c8ef8cac2.jpg

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Actually, it was more like 250 Russian personnel storming a bombed out airport. They immediately found themselves isolated and cut off without support. Airspace that would have to be traversed in order to reinforce them was controlled by NATO. A couple of Boy Scouts on a bicycle could have done that.

[jimnyc]

Actually, it was more like 250 Russian personnel storming a bombed out airport. They immediately found themselves isolated and cut off without support. Airspace that would have to be traversed in order to reinforce them was controlled by NATO. A couple of Boy Scouts on a bicycle could have done that.

blue - consider yourself schooled. Truth beats out propaganda and Russian BS every.single.time.

[Gunny]

Actually, it was more like 250 Russian personnel storming a bombed out airport. They immediately found themselves isolated and cut off without support. Airspace that would have to be traversed in order to reinforce them was controlled by NATO. A couple of Boy Scouts on a bicycle could have done that.:laugh:

[Drummond]

Putin - Dictator!!!

"... A doctor for Russia (https://abcnews.go.com/alerts/russia-nation)'s most prominent opposition leader, Alexey Navalny, has suggested the activist has been poisoned after he was hospitalized Sunday after falling mysteriously ill in a Moscow jail. ..."

Diagnosis - urticaria. :laugh::laugh::laugh:

'Urticaria', eh ?

How come this news hasn't reached our media ? Is it because nobody will believe a word ?

Maybe our media isn't exactly fond of disseminating Russian propaganda ?

Should this individual take a turn for the worse ... how will your people explain it ? Will your arrogant authorities even care to (I'm guessing not) ?

And, yes. Putin is known as a dictator here. We know enough about your society to understand what leads it .. and, how ruthlessly.

How's Ukraine getting on these days ? Is Russia's 'milk of human kindness' so overflowing in Ukraine's direction, that they appreciate you for it ???

[Balu]

How's Ukraine getting on these days ? Is Russia's 'milk of human kindness' so overflowing in Ukraine's direction, that they appreciate you for it ???

Ukrainians? They've made their choice. :clap:

Every nation deserves its ruler. (с)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovg7LVtxoNU

[Balu]

After the rally in Moscow, the Prosecutor General’s Office called for “harshly suppress” the actions before the elections


In September 2019, elections of a different level will be held in 85 regions of Russia.

Prosecutor General Yuri Chaika said that the protests that took place in Moscow should not be repeated, reports TASS. The local prosecutor's office should prevent unauthorized actions and other violations during the preparation for the elections.

“Correct the issues of the organization of duty, notification of the central office of the Prosecutor General’s Office about the current situation, and, as already mentioned, tightly stop violations, using the full range of response measures,” Chaika called.

According to First Deputy Prosecutor General Alexander Buksman, election commissions in the regions should be protected - including from terrorists. "It is especially important that the events that recently occurred in Moscow do not happen again," the department said.

Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin, in turn, thanked the police officers who "did their duty" and participated in the suppression of the action. The mayor believes that the Libertarian party is preparing a new provocation on August 3.

[Balu]

A good example for our policemen to follow in case of disobedience of their orders. Isn't it?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXsilll9uDY

[jimnyc]

Ukrainians? They've made their choice. :clap:

Every nation deserves its ruler. (с)


I'm glad it was YOURSELF who pointed out that you have a ruler and not a president. :)


“harshly suppress” the actions before the elections

Yes, the entire world has been watching them "HARSHLY suppress" actions, no matter the actions.


The mayor believes that the Libertarian party is preparing a new provocation on August 3.

The entire world watching this for many years too! No such thing as "alternatives". You want any form of real democracy, and you get the shit beat out of you or you go to prison. Make excuses all you like, the propaganda from Russia doesn't work, and makes you look sillier and sillier -and more and more like you are in love with Putin and are desperate to go around and change folks minds. :rolleyes:


A good example for our policemen to follow in case of disobedience of their orders. Isn't it?

Yes, give ample opportunity to sign, then ask them to get out and explain why, and then use force if necessary to make arrest. In Russia - you just simply get beat with a baton no matter what. IF you're a lucky one. Others get the same treatment and then go to prison.

[Gunny]

After the rally in Moscow, the Prosecutor General’s Office called for “harshly suppress” the actions before the elections


In September 2019, elections of a different level will be held in 85 regions of Russia.

Prosecutor General Yuri Chaika said that the protests that took place in Moscow should not be repeated, reports TASS. The local prosecutor's office should prevent unauthorized actions and other violations during the preparation for the elections.

“Correct the issues of the organization of duty, notification of the central office of the Prosecutor General’s Office about the current situation, and, as already mentioned, tightly stop violations, using the full range of response measures,” Chaika called.

According to First Deputy Prosecutor General Alexander Buksman, election commissions in the regions should be protected - including from terrorists. "It is especially important that the events that recently occurred in Moscow do not happen again," the department said.

Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin, in turn, thanked the police officers who "did their duty" and participated in the suppression of the action. The mayor believes that the Libertarian party is preparing a new provocation on August 3.And there you have it. The pretense of fairness has been abandoned. Same old Russia.

[jimnyc]

And there you have it. The pretense of fairness has been abandoned. Same old Russia.

Because of translation, he likely thought it was a good article - not one that shows them as the bullies and suppressors of democracy and disagreement that they are.

[jimnyc]

oh great, blue is back again today with more propaganda to puke out and think people will believe. Failure. Every.Single. Time.

[Balu]

Because of translation, he likely thought it was a good article - not one that shows them as the bullies and suppressors of democracy and disagreement that they are.

As you don't want or are unable to understand, that the violation of a State Legislation has nothing in common with democracy, I have no sense to proceed discussing this subject. Bye.

[Kathianne]

oh great, blue is back again today with more propaganda to puke out and think people will believe. Failure. Every.Single. Time.

Drummond summoned him, I'm beginning to think they got the Marianne Williamson thing going on here! :smoke:

[jimnyc]

As you don't want or are unable to understand, that the violation of a State Legislation has nothing in common with democracy, I have no sense to proceed discussing this subject. Bye.

Bail if you want, won't care in the slightest bit.

Read this thread, you will read my comments. Start another, and if about BS I will point out once again the propaganda and TRUTH.

You don't like TRUTH much do you, blew?

It's obvious, Blew, that you don't like anyone disagreeing with your political propaganda. It's nauseating. :puke3::puke:

So you publicly announce placing folks on ignore as you always do. Or you run off. If that's your choice, then :fu: Mr. Blew Boy.

[Kathianne]

A good example for our policemen to follow in case of disobedience of their orders. Isn't it?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXsilll9uDY


More than signing ticket: https://www.abc15.com/news/national/video-65-year-old-oklahoma-woman-tased-after-resisting-arrest-kicking-officer?fbclid=IwAR0oqw8bN5owLlikgpS5YE5_FANhja-LyhhXu86okvhZxUruNWCytcVh5bE

Video at site:


Video: 65-year-old Oklahoma woman Tased after resisting arrest, kicking officer
Posted: 10:22 AM, Jul 31, 2019 Updated: 10:37 AM, Jul 31, 2019

...

[STTAB]

A good example for our policemen to follow in case of disobedience of their orders. Isn't it?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXsilll9uDY

Oh , look she's white and still expected to obey the law , or face the consequences. Imagine that.

What a dumb shit, that $80 ticket probably cost her $1000 or more.

[Drummond]

Ukrainians? They've made their choice. :clap:

Every nation deserves its ruler. (с)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovg7LVtxoNU

You mean, a choice not approved of by 'Mother Russia' ?

Why ... how DARE they:rolleyes:. You know, thinking they have a right to run their own affairs, govern themselves ... 'nonsense' like that, eh ?:rolleyes::rolleyes:

'Might is Right'. You really think the end justifies the means, & all that ...

[Drummond]

@Drummond (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=2287) summoned him, I'm beginning to think they got the Marianne Williamson thing going on here! :smoke:

I don't understand the 'Marianne Williamson thing' reference. But as for 'summoned' .. I can absolutely assure you that a pentagram and mystical invocations were not involved (nor was a goat sacrificed) ..:rolleyes:

[Kathianne]

I don't understand the 'Marianne Williamson thing' reference. But as for 'summoned' .. I can absolutely assure you that a pentagram and mystical invocations were not involved ..:rolleyes:

No need for the :rolleyes: it wasn't a dig, but a joke. Marianne is one of the Democrat debaters and she's sort of mystical weird. As the reference to your 'summons,' that was in your post on this or another thread, wishing that Blu would show up. A joke, that is all.

[Drummond]

As you don't want or are unable to understand, that the violation of a State Legislation has nothing in common with democracy, I have no sense to proceed discussing this subject. Bye.

Was that a sonic boom I just heard .. ? :rolleyes:

Ho hum. You didn't last very long in this debate.

Balu, you argue as though any authority in power, just because it has that power, can do what it likes .. literally whatever that is. 'Might is Right ', eh, regardless of how that power is wielded, to what purpose. It's all 'OK' ... eh, Balu ?

[Drummond]

No need for the :rolleyes: it wasn't a dig, but a joke. Marianne is one of the Democrat debaters and she's sort of mystical weird. As the reference to your 'summons,' that was in your post on this or another thread, wishing that Blu would show up. A joke, that is all.

Good to know that your Democrats have differing ways to be weird ! I'd hate for them to be boring.

OK, thanks for your reply.

[Gunny]

Oh , look she's white and still expected to obey the law , or face the consequences. Imagine that.

What a dumb shit, that $80 ticket probably cost her $1000 or more.Let's don't forget the "people are stupid" part. I've seen this crap a lot over the years on different news clips/videos. Some dumbass refusing to sign a ticket.

For the slow (or just to make me feel better because I get besides myself when people are THIS stupid): Signing the ticket is an acknowledgement of receipt of the ticket. NOTHING MORE. Taking a stand against a cop over Administrative procedure is just stupid. You fight the ticket in court, not at the end of a taser. Once he fills it out, it's yours to deal with. There's no taking it back like they used to could before cufflink and bellybutton cams:rolleyes:

F*ckers need to grow a brain.

[Kathianne]

Let's don't forget the "people are stupid" part. I've seen this crap a lot over the years on different news clips/videos. Some dumbass refusing to sign a ticket.

For the slow (or just to make me feel better because I get besides myself when people are THIS stupid): Signing the ticket is an acknowledgement of receipt of the ticket. NOTHING MORE. Taking a stand against a cop over Administrative procedure is just stupid. You fight the ticket in court, not at the end of a taser. Once he fills it out, it's yours to deal with. There's no taking it back like they used to could before cufflink and bellybutton cams:rolleyes:

F*ckers need to grow a brain.

And that ticket would likely be voided if she came with a receipt for repair made within like 72 hours. I haven't run into that in AZ, but in IL that is what happens if they don't give you a 'warning to fix.'

[Gunny]

And that ticket would likely be voided if she came with a receipt for repair made within like 72 hours. I haven't run into that in AZ, but in IL that is what happens if they don't give you a 'warning to fix.'Sorta' like that? Here, if you get a ticket for something that needs fixing you just show up in court with the receipt, as you said. They don't call them "fix it tickets" here. In CA and FL they do.

It's probably the same most places. I'm sure not Seattle though. They can't do shit right there :)

[Abbey Marie]

Let's don't forget the "people are stupid" part. I've seen this crap a lot over the years on different news clips/videos. Some dumbass refusing to sign a ticket.

For the slow (or just to make me feel better because I get besides myself when people are THIS stupid): Signing the ticket is an acknowledgement of receipt of the ticket. NOTHING MORE. Taking a stand against a cop over Administrative procedure is just stupid. You fight the ticket in court, not at the end of a taser. Once he fills it out, it's yours to deal with. There's no taking it back like they used to could before cufflink and bellybutton cams:rolleyes:

F*ckers need to grow a brain.

Do you think this is just one random potential Darwin Award recipient, or a symptom of our current unprecedented lack of respect for law enforcement?

[Kathianne]

Do you think this is just one random potential Darwin Award recipient, or a symptom of our current unprecedented lack of respect for law enforcement?

I'd have to go with the first. She looks a bit too old for the later. LOL! Whatever was she thinking?

[Abbey Marie]

I'd have to go with the first. She looks a bit too old for the later. LOL! Whatever was she thinking?

Former hippie, maybe?

:laugh2:

[Kathianne]

Former hippie, maybe?

:laugh2:

Maybe, though she looks like one of those that just weren't accepted? Weird.

[Abbey Marie]

Maybe, though she looks like one of those that just weren't accepted? Weird.

I should have said “ aging hippie”. “Former” was too kind!

[Kathianne]

I should have said “ aging hippie”. “Former” was too kind!
:laugh2:

[STTAB]

Let's don't forget the "people are stupid" part. I've seen this crap a lot over the years on different news clips/videos. Some dumbass refusing to sign a ticket.

For the slow (or just to make me feel better because I get besides myself when people are THIS stupid): Signing the ticket is an acknowledgement of receipt of the ticket. NOTHING MORE. Taking a stand against a cop over Administrative procedure is just stupid. You fight the ticket in court, not at the end of a taser. Once he fills it out, it's yours to deal with. There's no taking it back like they used to could before cufflink and bellybutton cams:rolleyes:

F*ckers need to grow a brain.

Yep, people who are too stupid to realize that signing the ticket merely means "I received the ticket" in fact the ticket even says right on it "signing this ticket is not an admission of guilt" voting is exactly how this country got into the mess we've been in over the last say 20 years.

The truth is in this country we've made it too easy for the terminally stupid to survive. There are ZERO consequences in the United States for being an idiot, in fact it is the reverse, we reward stupidity, and so we're a country full of idiots.