The Bigger Enemy to the US - Radical Islam or the Dem Party?

[Gunny]

I'm going with Dem party. They're nothing more than domestic terrorists, IMO, only we can't get rid of or kill them and they're allowed to vote. As far as useful to Mankind and/or the Planet, I've got them in a tie. Both are just a cancer that need to be excised.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I'm going with Dem party. They're nothing more than domestic terrorists, IMO, only we can't get rid of or kill them and they're allowed to vote. As far as useful to Mankind and/or the Planet, I've got them in a tie. Both are just a cancer that need to be excised.

They are running neck and neck in a race to see which one does the most damage and comes out on top of the heap--
after they believe this nation has been destroyed and as ready for its --new master! Each one uses the other and both are nothing but evil serpents following the Dark Lord's commands, IMHO.
Any person that thinks either one of them is --not-- a grave threat to this nation and our freedoms is both a fool and an ignorant, totally blinded moron- Imho...
At this moment in time-- the damn traitorous socialist/marxist dem party is the greater threat... -Tyr

[Russ]

The Dem party easily. America would have a much stronger economy, military, and will if we just didn't have the Dems questioning every decision we need to make and trying to replace every part of our economy that is working well. Even if we could just go back to moderate Dems instead of wackos like Bernie, Kamala, Pocohontas, and Beat-O. Without the wackos in government positions, we could confront the Islamic terrorist fairly effectively.

[Drummond]

For what my opinion's worth ... I'd say that they are fairly evenly matched.

On the one hand, the Dems are part of the fabric of American political life, aren't they ? As a cancer, they've taken root with a vengeance, and exercise their political whims and peculiarities against the American people on pretty much a daily basis. Far more so when in Government, obviously; nonetheless, they sit in Congress, the Senate ... there's just no getting rid of them, it seems.

Islamic terrorists can't do the same.

Even so, I daresay that they could establish terrorist cells on US soil if they made enough effort to. And, taking this more generally, just in considering Islamic influence ... well, Islamists spread their tentacles everywhere. Mosques are built. Whole communities are formed and become laws unto themselves. They not only don't integrate, but demand (not ask: DEMAND) that everybody bends to THEM.

They cry 'racism' and 'bigotry' if anybody fails to fall in line with them.

Their ultimate objective is to erode America's values, and substitute them with Islamic 'principles' and Sharia Law.

As I see it, in the shorter term, the Dems are the bigger enemy. In the longer term, if Islamists continue to succeed in eroding American life ... I think that THEY are the bigger enemy.

But there's not a lot to choose between them, especially when you consider the Dem insistence upon being Islam's enabler (as is true of the Left in many parts of the world, most certainly my own !).

[Gunny]

What statement does it make when half our population is feared/hated more than the US's worst enemy?

[Kathianne]

What statement does it make when half our population is feared/hated more than the US's worst enemy?

That hyperbole is being overworked, everywhere?

[Elessar]

What statement does it make when half our population is feared/hated more than the US's worst enemy?


That hyperbole is being overworked, everywhere?

You are both correct in my mind's eye, although I would not use 'feared' as a general term.
Completely mistrusted because of the liberal indoctrination that has happened the last 20 years.

Hated? Not an easy term....some are too stupid to be hated! Mistrusted - YES. They cannot
get their heads out of their rectums.

[Gunny]

That hyperbole is being overworked, everywhere?Perhaps. Don't low-rent the hyperbole. It's driving the train and its believers have no less conviction in their beliefs than you yours, real or no.

[Noir]

What statement does it make when half our population is feared/hated more than the US's worst enemy?

It’s a statement on the lack of sensibility to be found (apparently in abundance) on this forum.

[Gunny]

It’s a statement on the lack of sensibility to be found (apparently in abundance) on this forum.Do tell :rolleyes:

If you don't like question, be sure and deflect. Meanwhile, you have offered WHAT, exactly? You like to sit around here and hen peck what others offer for discussion; yet, what do you ever offer besides?

If you think you have something better to offer bust it out.

[STTAB]

I'm going with Dem party. They're nothing more than domestic terrorists, IMO, only we can't get rid of or kill them and they're allowed to vote. As far as useful to Mankind and/or the Planet, I've got them in a tie. Both are just a cancer that need to be excised.

This isn't even close, the DNC is a danger to us all. This country honestly needs a purge and very few Democrats should survive it.

[Russ]

It’s a statement on the lack of sensibility to be found (apparently in abundance) on this forum.

I disagree. The question was 'which is the greater "danger" to the country'. It wasn't asking who is to be hated/feared the most. My answer would have been different. A house divided against itself is a great danger.

[Elessar]

It’s a statement on the lack of sensibility to be found (apparently in abundance) on this forum.

And you have yet to fix the UK's problems.

Trying to tell elders of yours what to think and do? Quite a bit of lack of respect.
Or is lack of respect taught among UK liberals?

[jimnyc]

It’s a statement on the lack of sensibility to be found (apparently in abundance) on this forum.

Coming from you? LOL

A foreigner who comes here and talks down to us like one of our own self loathing democrats. A young, large mouthpiece, who's never done jack shit but complain, is going to again talk down to folks much much better than him who have actually DONE things in this world, other then whine and complain before they're even out oh HS.

DO something in this world before you talk sensibilities out of your ass some more. And YES, it does account for more when someone has done more than graduate HS and complain about it, or perhaps picket a dairy farm :rolleyes:

Takes more than a large mouth to go places in this world. What you don't apparently have, which will be a requirement in life... well its sad at times watching such people later in life.

meanwhile, everyone here mostly have families, full careers, multiple degrees & many who served our country in addition to other careers. Have raised families & been through things you've yet to experience in this world. And you still sit back like you're somehow better. That's laughable in several ways.

I'll remember just how smart you think you are when you avoid 99/100 threads that prove things incorrect about the pathetic and whiny liberals. Or if the so sensible muslim next kills someone, and remind myself just what it is you take the time to comment on, and what you ignore, and the lack of sensibilities among the members here.

[Elessar]

Coming from you? LOL

A foreigner who comes here and talks down to us like one of our own self loathing democrats. A young, large mouthpiece, who's never done jack shit but complain, is going to again talk down to folks much much better than him who have actually DONE things in this world, other then whine and complain before they're even out oh HS.

DO something in this world before you talk sensibilities out of your ass some more. And YES, it does account for more when someone has done more than graduate HS and complain about it, or perhaps picket a dairy farm :rolleyes:

Takes more than a large mouth to go places in this world. What you don't apparently have, which will be a requirement in life... well its sad at times watching such people later in life.

meanwhile, everyone here mostly have families, full careers, multiple degrees & many who served our country in addition to other careers. Have raised families & been through things you've yet to experience in this world. And you still sit back like you're somehow better. That's laughable in several ways.

I'll remember just how smart you think you are when you avoid 99/100 threads that prove things incorrect about the pathetic and whiny liberals. Or if the so sensible muslim next kills someone, and remind myself just what it is you take the time to comment on, and what you ignore, and the lack of sensibilities among the members here.

Let him move on. He's convinced he is superior to all of us that have seen and done things that he cannot imagine..
Yet he hides in his little basement, telling us how great he is. A punk Wimp!

[jimnyc]

Let him move on. He's convinced he is superior to all of us that have seen and done things that he cannot imagine..
Yet he hides in his little basement, telling us how great he is. A punk Wimp!

Oh I know, I have no personal issues with him, just with some crap he writes like above. I had not even posted yet, But you, Gunny,
HPD, Tyr, Russ, Drummond... but the comment was about the majority here, the "abundance" of members. Its one thing when brushes are of parties, but large brushes about members here is a different aim.

[Noir]

Coming from you? LOL

A foreigner who comes here and talks down to us like one of our own self loathing democrats. A young, large mouthpiece, who's never done jack shit but complain, is going to again talk down to folks much much better than him who have actually DONE things in this world, other then whine and complain before they're even out oh HS.

DO something in this world before you talk sensibilities out of your ass some more. And YES, it does account for more when someone has done more than graduate HS and complain about it, or perhaps picket a dairy farm :rolleyes:

Takes more than a large mouth to go places in this world. What you don't apparently have, which will be a requirement in life... well its sad at times watching such people later in life.

meanwhile, everyone here mostly have families, full careers, multiple degrees & many who served our country in addition to other careers. Have raised families & been through things you've yet to experience in this world. And you still sit back like you're somehow better. That's laughable in several ways.

I'll remember just how smart you think you are when you avoid 99/100 threads that prove things incorrect about the pathetic and whiny liberals. Or if the so sensible muslim next kills someone, and remind myself just what it is you take the time to comment on, and what you ignore, and the lack of sensibilities among the members here.

Thank you for this thoughtful, extensive, and direct personal insult.

[jimnyc]

It’s a statement on the lack of sensibility to be found (apparently in abundance) on this forum.


Coming from you? LOL

A foreigner who comes here and talks down to us like one of our own self loathing democrats. A young, large mouthpiece, who's never done jack shit but complain, is going to again talk down to folks much much better than him who have actually DONE things in this world, other then whine and complain before they're even out oh HS.

DO something in this world before you talk sensibilities out of your ass some more. And YES, it does account for more when someone has done more than graduate HS and complain about it, or perhaps picket a dairy farm :rolleyes:

Takes more than a large mouth to go places in this world. What you don't apparently have, which will be a requirement in life... well its sad at times watching such people later in life.

meanwhile, everyone here mostly have families, full careers, multiple degrees & many who served our country in addition to other careers. Have raised families & been through things you've yet to experience in this world. And you still sit back like you're somehow better. That's laughable in several ways.

I'll remember just how smart you think you are when you avoid 99/100 threads that prove things incorrect about the pathetic and whiny liberals. Or if the so sensible muslim next kills someone, and remind myself just what it is you take the time to comment on, and what you ignore, and the lack of sensibilities among the members here.


Thank you for this thoughtful, extensive, and direct personal insult.

I will admit that it was a useless comment to this thread. It really offered nothing and perhaps my reply and your original post could have been moved but I planned on no more entry on this. But do you not acknowledge own post? Which is what I was replying to? Do you truly think that your post was thoughtful, extensive and not an insult to some on this board? Then you think somehow it was better than my comment?

I apologize for reading your comment and replying as I did, I should have just taken higher road and moved on but sometimes I wake up early and get agitated before I have my coffee but still not a great excuse. And my apologies to all readers for not taking my own advice as of late. :(

[jimnyc]

Leave the religion and you die. Apostasy is not accepted in their cult.

Gay? No closet for you! Instead you get death.

Cheat on hubby? Buried to your waist and stoned in head to death.

Raped? You better have witnesses, or you're dead again.

Women's rights? Surely you're kidding?

Non-believer? Dead.

Blasphemy? Perhaps head cut off, or sat in chair in desert and shot with an RPG.

Simply be be born Jewish.

And the right condemns. The Democrats pretty much ignore any and all issues related to such - well, the Dems pretty much ignore all of the tough questions.

https://i.imgur.com/V8APYYD.png

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Leave the religion and you die. Apostasy is not accepted in their cult.

Gay? No closet for you! Instead you get death.

Cheat on hubby? Buried to your waist and stoned in head to death.

Raped? You better have witnesses, or you're dead again.

Women's rights? Surely you're kidding?

Non-believer? Dead.

Blasphemy? Perhaps head cut off, or sat in chair in desert and shot with an RPG.

Simply be be born Jewish.

And the right condemns. The Democrats pretty much ignore any and all issues related to such - well, the Dems pretty much ignore all of the tough questions.

https://i.imgur.com/V8APYYD.png

Yet the dem party is faithful and firm allies to that murdering cult even tho its 1400+ year history shows it is a murder cult that has only death to deliver to any and all that opposes its world enslaving goal!
Mainstream media covers for the dem party in that unholy and absolutely insane alliance!
Dem party is now a group that actively works to destroy this nation, our freedoms and our rights. --Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Oh I know, I have no personal issues with him, just with some crap he writes like above. I had not even posted yet, But you, Gunny,
HPD, Tyr, Russ, Drummond... but the comment was about the majority here, the "abundance" of members. Its one thing when brushes are of parties, but large brushes about members here is a different aim.

Noir's blindness does not bother me, nor does his insults. In fact, they are an affirmation that I am indeed on the right path. -Tyr

[Drummond]

Thank you for this thoughtful, extensive, and direct personal insult.

I've just now caught up with the latest posts on this thread.

Noir .. my 'take' on this is that you've deserved the comments you've had (especially Jim's).

I believe that you're so opinionated, so smugly 'sure' of yourself and what drives you, that nobody's comments, here, will matter a damn to you. You won't learn from them. You won't be open to any consideration that your self-invented sense of moral 'superiority' deserves the smallest criticism.

In fact, Noir ... to me, you're the 'poster boy' here for all I say is true of the Left. Your greatest worth to me, here on this forum, is to prove that by perfect illustration.

You have your 'principles'. You have your 'worldview'. You have the agenda which you think all of this deserves you to have. And, from that point on, yours is a totally closed and blinkered mindset. A thoroughly unchanging and fossilised mindset.

If anyone has anything to teach you, you won't respond with anything other than lofty judgmentality against whatever greater wisdom comes your way. You see your role here AS a teacher, I think, of 'enlightened' values (with you as the only one seeing them that way).

.... So ... who appointed you to this role, anyway ?

You just don't get that there are people here who'll have had experiences, who will have lived lives, in the REAL world; that LIFE has been their teacher. You don't get that the US, in its role as the most powerful nation on earth, in real terms the greatest single guardian of free and civilised values this world has ever seen, has become, by just being that, THE target for all evil beliefs, influences and powers, who want to see those values crushed and replaced by their backward and savage alternative(s). You don't get that the US, just by existing as it does, by being what it CHOOSES to be, is forced into an ideologically (and worse) combative role against those adversaries.

Our own home-grown Anjem Choudary, for example, makes his wished-for defeat of the West in general, and America in particular, VERY clear indeed. He, and all like him, are the enemy of free-thinking non-Muslims everywhere.

Along comes a know-it-all Leftie, who thinks that Muslims deserve to be defended, considered, deferred to. Why ? Because some cloud-cuckooland belief, NOT grounded in reality but in total defiance of it, thinks this is the 'enlightened' thing to do.

And ... to hell with reality, and any evidence pointing you to it. To hell with fighting for what's good and decent, realistically so. Eh, Noir ?

Yours is the mindset dreaming of a fictional 'nirvana'. It has zero relevance to today's realities, Noir. You need to be receptive, not judgmental. You need to have an open, not a closed, mind.

But ... FAT CHANCE, eh ? You'll never do it.

So prove me wrong, @Noir (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=517). I challenge you to.

[Kathianne]

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[STTAB]

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Best post of this thread .

You guys piling on Noir give it a rest, he's doing NOTHING that many conservatives on this board aren't also doing. How many of YOU listen to opposing views and think "hmm , maybe I was wrong about this?" Because I can tell you one damn thing that many on this board definitely need to learn, Trump aint always right. Oh and here's another. You're not liberal scum who deserves to die if you don't agree with every aspect of conservative dogma.

[jimnyc]

I apologized for my own actions/words. i told him i would ignore going forward, and i honor my word. I have no issue in doing so. i can appreciate anyone who would be supportive of either member , but not necessary.

...

lets get back to the topic, as it's a good one, imo. my one post on islam stands, and literally cannot be denied.

and odd thing is, the dems find less contempt for any of them - and more for Trump and/or the right. do they REALLY believe in those things?

one is more dangerous, and the other is the bigger enemy to the US.

and it matters not which group you place in either position. IMO.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

That is the relationship the radical dem party in America and islam have. They both hate Christians, Jews, and now it's pretty obvious... AMERICA and it's CONSTITUTION. I'd say they're both, equally dangerous to the United States of America and it's citizens.

[Drummond]

Best post of this thread .

You guys piling on Noir give it a rest, he's doing NOTHING that many conservatives on this board aren't also doing. How many of YOU listen to opposing views and think "hmm , maybe I was wrong about this?" Because I can tell you one damn thing that many on this board definitely need to learn, Trump aint always right. Oh and here's another. You're not liberal scum who deserves to die if you don't agree with every aspect of conservative dogma.

In the final analysis, could it just be that one side is right, and the other is wrong ?? Given a choice between one set of beliefs, a worldview, grounded in the real world, recognising and responding to all that happens in that world .. versus, one that's built on a philosophy believed in just because its Utopianist vision somehow seems 'better' .. whether it's pure fantasy, OR NOT ... I'll go with the one grounded in reality, any day of the week.

In my early teens, thanks to youthful idealism, I was where Noir is, now. I had my Utopian worldview. What looked good on paper, what 'seemed' superior, was what I argued for. Then, I faced reality. I saw that 'Socialists' were tearing my own Society apart, driven by selfish greed.

I came to understand that any beliefs and worldview had to serve, not dictate to, the truth of human nature. You had to deal with reality in ITS terms. So I turned my back on Socialist drivel, and the older I've become, so, the more I've hated Socialist delusion as the ENEMY it is.

Noir could learn, as I did. But I don't think it'll happen ... he's way too preachy, way too judgmental. Me .. I expected my beliefs to be proven. I waited for that proof. I witnessed the EXACT OPPOSITE. I learned how utterly wrong I was.

My mind was open. I don't think Noir's is. But, as ever, I hope for proof I'm wrong.

[STTAB]

I apologized for my own actions/words. i told him i would ignore going forward, and i honor my word. I have no issue in doing so. i can appreciate anyone who would be supportive of either member , but not necessary.

...

lets get back to the topic, as it's a good one, imo. my one post on islam stands, and literally cannot be denied.

and odd thing is, the dems find less contempt for any of them - and more for Trump and/or the right. do they REALLY believe in those things?

one is more dangerous, and the other is the bigger enemy to the US.

and it matters not which group you place in either position. IMO.

The answer is the same as it ever is. No, the Dems don't believe that Trump, Christians, or the right are more dangerous than Islam. Democrats believe in NOTHING so they can easily defend anything that they perceive as giving them more power. That's the only reason the Dems take ANY position. Does it give them more power.

Look at the weasel Joe Biden as proof of that, for nigh on 40 years that old shit bird has seen political gain in defending the Hyde Amendment, but the MOMENT he thought being against it woud bring him more power, he suddenly became against it.

15 years ago every single Democrat who is in Congress now and was then was solidly anti illegal immigration. Hell 10 years ago they were, today what's changed? Oh well they thin being for it will give them more power so they are for it.

Democrats are SCUM who lack any principles or moral guidelines whatsoever.

[Drummond]

The answer is the same as it ever is. No, the Dems don't believe that Trump, Christians, or the right are more dangerous than Islam. Democrats believe in NOTHING so they can easily defend anything that they perceive as giving them more power. That's the only reason the Dems take ANY position. Does it give them more power.

Look at the weasel Joe Biden as proof of that, for nigh on 40 years that old shit bird has seen political gain in defending the Hyde Amendment, but the MOMENT he thought being against it woud bring him more power, he suddenly became against it.

15 years ago every single Democrat who is in Congress now and was then was solidly anti illegal immigration. Hell 10 years ago they were, today what's changed? Oh well they thin being for it will give them more power so they are for it.

Democrats are SCUM who lack any principles or moral guidelines whatsoever.

Since I'm not American, I'm going to lack an insight into the Dems that pretty much any American could be expected to have. In my limited way ... I see them as a weak version of the Socialists we see over here. Full-blooded Socialists are a lot worse.

America has never seen full Socialism applied to its society. I pray that it never will.

Isn't it true that, several generations ago, Woodrow Wilson was pro-segregationist, one generation later than Abraham Lincoln, who had more 'enlightened' philosophies driving him ? Seems to me that this shifting of beliefs and policies has been true of the Democrats for much if not all of their history.

The one sure thing is that, like the UK's Socialists, they'll say and do whatever it takes to win power. Which is one very good reason for never trusting any of them.

[STTAB]

Since I'm not American, I'm going to lack an insight into the Dems that pretty much any American could be expected to have. In my limited way ... I see them as a weak version of the Socialists we see over here. Full-blooded Socialists are a lot worse.

America has never seen full Socialism applied to its society. I pray that it never will.

Isn't it true that, several generations ago, Woodrow Wilson was pro-segregationist, one generation later than Abraham Lincoln, who had more 'enlightened' philosophies driving him ? Seems to me that this shifting of beliefs and policies has been true of the Democrats for much if not all of their history.

The one sure thing is that, like the UK's Socialists, they'll say and do whatever it takes to win power. Which is one very good reason for never trusting any of them.

I feel pretty confident in speaking on this subject since I have a PhD in History .

Lincoln would have happily kept blacks in slavery if it would have kept the Union together. His primary objective was avoiding a Civil War. He did not want war, for he knew the long term consequences would be devastating.

However once there was war he realized that there was no going back to any form of slavery.

He didn't free the slaves because he believed slavery was wrong, He did it from a pragmatic point of view. He fully realized that freeing the slaves was the ONLY way to heal this nation once the war was over.

[Drummond]

I feel pretty confident in speaking on this subject since I have a PhD in History .

Lincoln would have happily kept blacks in slavery if it would have kept the Union together. His primary objective was avoiding a Civil War. He did not want war, for he knew the long term consequences would be devastating.

However once there was war he realized that there was no going back to any form of slavery.

He didn't free the slaves because he believed slavery was wrong, He did it from a pragmatic point of view. He fully realized that freeing the slaves was the ONLY way to heal this nation once the war was over.

H'm.

You're giving me precisely the opposite view of Lincoln than I've had. I've always believed that high principle was what drove Lincoln throughout his life.

OK, well, thanks. I'll go away and do a bit of research. Maybe I've more to learn. :salute:

[Kathianne]

I feel pretty confident in speaking on this subject since I have a PhD in History .

Lincoln would have happily kept blacks in slavery if it would have kept the Union together. His primary objective was avoiding a Civil War. He did not want war, for he knew the long term consequences would be devastating.

However once there was war he realized that there was no going back to any form of slavery.

He didn't free the slaves because he believed slavery was wrong, He did it from a pragmatic point of view. He fully realized that freeing the slaves was the ONLY way to heal this nation once the war was over.

Exactly right. Lincoln felt that slavery would extinguish itself. He was against its expansion into new territories and even considered Liberia as an answer. Once the war started, it became necessary for it to end.

[STTAB]

H'm.

You're giving me precisely the opposite view of Lincoln than I've had. I've always believed that high principle was what drove Lincoln throughout his life.

OK, well, thanks. I'll go away and do a bit of research. Maybe I've more to learn. :salute:

Don' t dig too deep, you may also come to realize that Lincoln was a tyrant LOL his emancipation proclamation was actually unconstitutional , but he threatened to pack the Supreme Court if they even looked at the issue lol and he browbeat Congress into passing the 13th Amendment before the end of the Civil War because he didn't want Confederate states voting on it. In fact he PROLONGED the civil war in order to get the Amendment voted on before the southern states were readmitted. The south was actually ready to surrender a full year before they did , but Lincoln refused to negotiate with them until the 13th Amendment was ratified.

Lincoln played REAL hardball.

[Elessar]

Thank you for this thoughtful, extensive, and direct personal insult.

You have laid your cards on the table and been called - poker term.

Yet you still lack humility...

[High_Plains_Drifter]

You have laid your cards on the table and been called - poker term.

Yet you still lack humility...
Show me a millennial leftist that does have humility.