We Really Don't Know The Other Side

[Kathianne]

and they don't know us. Educated Liberals are the worse, no real surprise there given the state of the university system, but sad.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/06/americas-most-educated-engaged-citizens-are-making-politics-worse/


America’s Most Educated, Engaged Citizens Are Making Politics WorseBy DAVID FRENCH (https://www.nationalreview.com/author/david-french/)


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It turns out that the people who care the most about politics have the least understanding of their political opponents.
The More in Common project has just released the results of its latest deep dive into American polarization, and they make for a deeply discouraging read.


It turns out that most Americans have fundamentally mistaken notions about their political opponents, consistently believing that they are substantially more extreme than they really are. For example, Democrats are far less likely to support open borders, far more likely to support private ownership of firearms, and far more friendly to police than Republicans believe they are. Republicans support controlled immigration far more than Democrats believe, and an overwhelming majority believe that racism and sexism still exist in the United States.

...

But the More in Common survey is different, and disturbing: It shows that political ignorance about the opposing party is driven by America’s most engaged and (at least on the left) most highly educated citizens. In other words, the more you pay attention to political media, the less likely you are to understand the true beliefs of your political opponents.


The survey found that “the most partisan, politically active Americans – a group we call the ‘Wings’ – have deeply distorted perceptions of the other side.” Crucially, “politically disengaged” Americans were “fully three times more accurate in their estimates of political opponents” than those on the right and left edges of American politics:

https://i1.wp.com/perceptiongap.us/media/45incmau/fig2d.png?resize=1200%2C930&ssl=1

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Then there’s the education factor. Better-educated Republicans don’t gain materially improved understanding of Democrats, while Democrats’ knowledge of Republican beliefs “actually gets worse with every additional degree they earn.” Moreover, “this effect is so strong that Democrats without a high school diploma are three times more accurate than those with a postgraduate degree” in their perceptions of Republicans.

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https://i2.wp.com/perceptiongap.us/media/w5xgckq3/fig7d.png?resize=1200%2C864&ssl=1...

[jimnyc]

On occasion I like to dive into the liberal world and see what the hell is going on. It's like diving underwater into a fantasy land, but if I stay too long I will die.

Just the things I often read about just the news alone amazes me. From those delivering the news.

But go to a liberal forum, and don't just read the latest political fights, although that tells a lot.... just the overall feeling. Like a jump back into the 60's give love and peace a chance feeling, with reality suspended and running on emotions only. I know different than your article, but had to say these. :)

[Kathianne]

On occasion I like to dive into the liberal world and see what the hell is going on. It's like diving underwater into a fantasy land, but if I stay too long I will die.

Just the things I often read about just the news alone amazes me. From those delivering the news.

But go to a liberal forum, and don't just read the latest political fights, although that tells a lot.... just the overall feeling. Like a jump back into the 60's give love and peace a chance feeling, with reality suspended and running on emotions only. I know different than your article, but had to say these. :)


That is the point, you are diving into the wings.

Many here are the far right wing, I've had problems with some of that. I get the far left wings being even more nutwing.

Looking at the data charts, I know that most folks are not nearly as 'engaged' in politics as those who go as far as discussing on messageboards, especially many times per day. Those people seem to not feel the animosity that those that are deeply involved do.

Just a cursory glance through the titles in politics will give one a good idea how 'right' feels about the 'left.' Same of course if one delves into the leftist boards-even worse, as the study illuminated.

[Kathianne]

Is this becoming a 'thing'? I'd be glad to find that folks are actually thinking that the tone of political discourse begins with themselves.

https://hotair.com/archives/2019/06/25/angry-talk-lkke-trump-bothers-americans-more/


Americans Worried Over Level Of Harsh Public Talk, Blame Guess-Who

ANDREW MALCOLMPosted at 8:41 am on June 25, 2019



President Trump relishes turmoil, especially if he creates it. It keeps opponents off-balance, keeps his own staff on high alert and keeps the attention on him.

But exactly 71 weeks before Americans render a verdict on renewing Trump’s Oval Office lease comes a new poll revealing that such turmoil displayed through divisive and harsh political discourse is concerning an awful lot of fellow citizens.

...


Moderating the rhetoric would force more attention on Trump’s fulfilled promises, inviting doubtful and crucial voters among swing independents to swing his way.

Trump’s remaining staff probably isn’t up to telling him. But Trump has become such an astute politician in many ways he might want to take note of these new findings and dial down the rhetoric a couple notches, for his own reelection’s sake.

Here are some of the major findings in the Pew Research Center’s wide-ranging survey (https://www.people-press.org/2019/06/19/public-highly-critical-of-state-of-political-discourse-in-the-u-s/?utm_source=Pew+Research+Center&utm_campaign=6be0048ca2-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_06_21_03_07&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_3e953b9b70-6be0048ca2-400710833) of attitudes on public discourse and political speech from among 10,170 adults:



“Large majorities say the tone and nature of political debate in the United States has become more negative in recent years – as well as less respectful, less fact-based and less substantive.”
Nearly eight-in-ten feel “heated and aggressive” language by public officials makes violence more likely.
Everyday conversations among friends, acquaintances and co-workers have become “stressful and frustrating.”
Fifty-five percent say Trump is responsible for a decline in the nature and tone of political debate; only 24 percent say he’s improved it.
Trump’s comments make 76 percent feel concerned, 70 percent confused, 69 percent embarrassed and — this one is important when you vote on a repeat performance — 67 percent say his comments are exhausting.
Perhaps not surprising for a reality TV star and producer, 54 percent say his comments are sometimes entertaining.

[STTAB]

76% of conservatives believe liberals are honest? LOL I'm calling bullshit on that one.

[Kathianne]

76% of conservatives believe liberals are honest? LOL I'm calling bullshit on that one.

You're reading that wrong.

[STTAB]

You're reading that wrong.

I read it right and then typed in the wrong number. I meant to say I call bullshit on 24% of conservatives believing Democrats are honest. Even Democrats know they are liars.

[Kathianne]

I read it right and then typed in the wrong number. I meant to say I call bullshit on 24% of conservatives believing Democrats are honest. Even Democrats know they are liars.

Which one, which Democrat? Pelosi? Yeah. Mrs. Johnson down the street? Not so much.

[Gunny]

Which one, which Democrat? Pelosi? Yeah. Mrs. Johnson down the street? Not so much.I feel like asking them sometimes just what is it that makes them believe the nonsense they do, but they know where I live :laugh:

I really have no desire to test the theory. Are they going house to house hunting righties? No. But if you believe the stuff the Dems sell, you got a problem as far as I'm concerned. It's not so hard to understand. It's hard to accept. I used to have a much higher regard for my fellow man. I thought perhaps they just didn't understand.

Then I joined a message board :laugh2: j/k

[Kathianne]

I feel like asking them sometimes just what is it that makes them believe the nonsense they do, but they know where I live :laugh:

I really have no desire to test the theory. Are they going house to house hunting righties? No. But if you believe the stuff the Dems sell, you got a problem as far as I'm concerned. It's not so hard to understand. It's hard to accept. I used to have a much higher regard for my fellow man. I thought perhaps they just didn't understand.

Then I joined a message board :laugh2: j/k

The problem being as I see it and the OP was pointing out, is the 'wings' are controlling so much of the message via social media. The MSM is now following the social media for ledes and we are where we are. Truth is, the lower/no interests aren't following as closely, as usual. They more likely are talking to those at work, home, family and making their judgments based on personal information.

Truth is, I'm sure a lot of my own perspective and decisions on someone like Trump came from my readings as well as the adulation of a person as I encountered on social media by those who loved his 'tough guy' persona. Since my inclinations are so much more towards the right than left, I was inundated with the right wing. While I didn't change my personal politics, I certainly couldn't go along with what I was looking at. So I moved from 'far, to moderate.' I find myself tending to read those out of lockstep with the right wing, but still find little to agree with on the left.

[STTAB]

I feel like asking them sometimes just what is it that makes them believe the nonsense they do, but they know where I live :laugh:

I really have no desire to test the theory. Are they going house to house hunting righties? No. But if you believe the stuff the Dems sell, you got a problem as far as I'm concerned. It's not so hard to understand. It's hard to accept. I used to have a much higher regard for my fellow man. I thought perhaps they just didn't understand.

Then I joined a message board :laugh2: j/k

I have no respect for the average American idiot. I mean 50% of Americans surveyed can't even locate their own state on a US Map. 30% of Americans think Washington DC is in the state of Washington. 50% of Americans believe that Trump helped Russia hack into US election machines..........

50% of Americans should be immediately euthanized to strengthen the pack.

[Kathianne]

Here's an interesting piece, more to be taken as a possible anecdote on the premise of the OP point. In this case, what social media/MSM has been doing with Biden and the subsequent poll numbers that surprise.

Could it be that the 'middle' Democrat voters, actually 'get' what Joe was saying about 'civility and compromise' even with people you don't agree with, at all?

https://hotair.com/archives/2019/06/25/poll-pretty-much-no-one-cares-biden-chummy-segregationists-senate/


Poll: Pretty Much No One Cares That Biden Was Chummy With Segregationists In The Senate
ALLAHPUNDITPosted at 4:41 pm on June 25, 2019

Nate Silver’s wry response to this new Morning Consult poll (https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Political-Intelligence-6.24.19.pdf) showing Biden’s lead holding steady made me laugh.

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/668814368008708096/5HABV7bJ_normal.png (https://twitter.com/NateSilver538)Nate Silver
✔@NateSilver538
(https://twitter.com/NateSilver538)

(https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1143343744558800896)


A lot of people expected Biden to drop but, to be fair, it's hard to think of any recent examples where a candidate continuously held on to 30-35% of the vote in the primaries by capitalizing on support from older non-college voters when the media constantly predicted his demise. https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/1143342378780168193 (https://t.co/LCViESTc5m)

… (https://t.co/LCViESTc5m)

Surely a guy whose support rests on a diminishing cohort of working-class Boomers can’t get elected president in America. Anyway, the new numbers:
https://hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/mc-1.jpg
Uncle Joe hasn’t lost so much as a point after days of media coverage of his “civility” as a young senator towards segregationist colleagues like James Eastland and Herman Talmadge. He’s actually gained a few points in the early states of Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, and South Carolina, rising from 40 percent last week to 43 percent now with Bernie Sanders a very distant second at 21 percent. A larger share of likely primary voters said (https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/25/joe-biden-2020-democrats-1380317) Biden’s comments made them *more* likely to vote for him (29 percent) than less likely (18 percent) — and that includes black voters (30/20). America loves legislative compromise, even with farking segregationists! The only sign of slippage for Biden is in net favorability, where he’s lost five points or so since June 10th. But given that his lead over the field hasn’t declined, those points must have come from voters who were already leaning in another direction or are so pro-Joe that they’re sticking with him even though their personal views of him have slipped a bit.

Steve Kornacki (https://twitter.com/stevekornacki/status/1143352678875107328) dug even deeper into the data. Last week, before the kerfuffle about segregationists, Biden stood at 45 percent support with black voters. This week, after attacks by Kamala Harris and Cory Booker and days of unflattering news reports, his support with black voters is at … 46 percent. They don’t care. And they’re willing to tell reporters who come asking (https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/23/politics/joe-biden-south-carolina-voters/index.html):


“They need to leave it be,” said Cheri Reed, a 66-year-old Democrat from Columbia as she waited in line with friends for fish at Clyburn’s event on Friday night. She chided Democrats like New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker, who criticized Biden for his remarks and called on him to apologize.

“We don’t need a rookie in the game right now. Because it’s the anti-Christ that we’re up against,” Reed said, referring to President Donald Trump. “He’s despicable. He’s destructive. He’s a liar. He’s trigger-happy. He’s everything that you don’t want in a President.”…

“Like Biden said, you’ve got to work with everybody to get along,” [Isaac] Moore said. “Back in those days, that’s all there was — segregationists. So what he’s saying is perfectly all right with me, because it’s still that way. You still have to go across the aisle and work with those types of people today to get anything done.”



Bloomberg (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-23/biden-controversy-leaves-little-mark-with-south-carolina-voters) got same of the same responses in interviewing black South Carolinians (“You have to be able to work with everybody”) and noted, as CNN did, an age gap in views of Biden. Older black voters who experienced segregation seem more willing to shrug off Biden’s comity with segregationists than younger black voters do. Which is good news for Biden on balance: “[T]he generational split may not matter much in South Carolina, where primary voters skew older, according to exit polls from 2016, which show that 47% of voters were between the ages of 45 and 64. The next largest group, 20%, was between the ages of 30 and 44, while voters 65 and older accounted for 19%.” Whoever ends up as the alternative to Uncle Joe in SC will need to turn out younger Democrats en masse or they’re on track to get crushed.

Exit question: Will political media, me included, learn anything from this latest reminder that the only Democratic subgroup that seems to care much about crimes against wokeness is educated white progressives who are Very Online? Exit answer: No way. There’s too much easy bloggy content to write about by pretending otherwise!

[Kathianne]

Ok, maybe it is becoming a thing:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/06/25/democrats-trump-election-2020-227215


Dear Democrats, Here’s How to Guarantee Trump’s Reelection

You’ve got a historically unpopular opponent in the White House, but there are nearly a dozen ways you could still blow this.

By CHARLES SYKES
June 25, 2019


To: All Democratic candidates

As you prepare for your first debates later this week, some unsolicited thoughts on what you could do to blow this election. With 20 of you clamoring for attention over two nights, the opportunities are abundant for you to kick off the primary season with an easy win for the president.

This might seem impossible. Donald Trump remains historically unpopular because the past three years have cemented the public’s image of the president as a deeply dishonest, erratic, narcissistic, Twitter-addicted bully. As a result, a stunning 57 percent of voters say they will definitely not vote to reelect him next year and he trails Democratic challengers (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/06/20/trump-is-bumping-into-very-low-ceiling/?utm_term=.cb9b1c0695c0) in key states. Trump himself seems to have given up on swing voters, instead focusing on ginning up turnout among his hard-core base. But, as columnist Henry Olsen points out, this is unlikely to be successful because millions of “reluctant Trump voters” from 2016 have already shown a willingness to bail on him (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/06/21/trump-campaign-has-terrible-strategy/?utm_term=.1a65fecaddec) by voting for Democrats in last November’s midterms.

Even so, Trump could still win reelection, because he has one essential dynamic working in his favor: You.

Trump’s numbers are unmovable, but yours are not. He doesn’t need to win this thing; he needs for you to lose it. There are millions of swing voters who regard Trump as an abomination but might vote for him again if they think you are scarier, more extreme, dangerous, or just annoyingly out of touch.

And, you have some experience at this, don’t you?

On Tuesday, Trump refused to apologize for calling for the death penalty for the Central Park 5, a group of black and Latino men who were later exonerated of charges that they had beaten and raped a woman in the 1980s. But rather than focusing on the latest Trumpian racial outrage, many of you spent the next few days hammering your front-runner for saying that civility required working with people like the late segregationist senators John Eastland and Herman Talmadge.


This week’s debates give you two more chances to form circular firing squads, turn winning issues into losers, and alienate swing voters.


Here are 11 pointers on how to guarantee that the most unpopular president in modern polling history wins reelection next year.


1. Hold firmly to the idea that Twitter is the beating heart of the real Democratic Party.


Woke Twitter is convinced that anger over Trump means that voters want to move hard left. You should ignore polls showing that most Democrats, not to mention swing voters, are much more likely to be centrist.


2. Embrace the weird.


George Will carries around a small card listing all the things that you have said “that cause the American public to say: ‘These people are weird, they are not talking about things that I care about.’” A short list:


Terrorists in prison should be allowed to vote. End private health insurance. Pack the Supreme Court, abolish the Electoral College, ‘Green New Deal,’ … reparations for slavery.


“The country hears these individually,” says Will, “and they say I’m not for that.”


He’s going to need a bigger card.


3. Keep promising lots of free stuff and don’t sweat paying for it.


Trump and his fellow Republicans have run up massive deficits, but you can make them look like fiscal hawks by outbidding one another. People like free stuff, but they are less keen on having to pay for free stuff for other people, so talk as much as possible about having taxpayers pick up the tab for free college, day care and health care.


By one estimate, Elizabeth Warren’s various plans would cost about $3.6 trillion a year—or $36.5 trillion over 10 years. She insists she can pay for much of this with a vast new wealth tax that is politically impossible and constitutionally dubious, but, hey, at least she’s not Bernie.

... He goes on. He is correct.

[STTAB]

I don't get it, Trump definately acknowledges that the media is unfair to him, but then he is constantly giving them ammo. Either simply with the words he blurts out, or by giving them interviews and questions and such, knowing full well they are going for a "gotcha" every time.

If I were Trump those outlet would be perona non grata to me. I'd ignore them completely.

[NT'sGirl]

and they don't know us. Educated Liberals are the worse, no real surprise there given the state of the university system, but sad.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/06/americas-most-educated-engaged-citizens-are-making-politics-worse/


There is a lot wrong with this..
The sample is 2,100 to represent 327.16 million

45% Dems
36% Rep
19% undeclared
median age targeted 49 with 10% more female than male
actual median age in USA 38 and much closer to 50% male to female

Different Questions for each Demographic!
"One proviso should be added. While it may be tempting to compare the absolutedifferences between the parties and to draw conclusions about the relative accuracy orinaccuracy of each party’s views about the other, the value of this approach is limited bythe fact that each party responded to different question sets. Of course the PerceptionGap measures the difference between the perceptions of partisans and their opponents'actual beliefs. Nevertheless, the choice of questions will influence differences in thePerception Gap between Democrats and Republicans. Caution should therefore beexercised in interpreting these results as an objective measure of differences in eachparty's perceptions of the other."


https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5a70a7c3010027736a22740f/t/5d101028495118000181fad6/1561333806922/The+Perception+Gap.pdf

[FakeNewsSux]

Be careful who you embrace as 'moderate voices of reason'. A poll showing mainstream Democrats 'forgiving' aberrant behavior by a fellow Democrat shouldn't be surprising at all. After all having sexual relations with underage interns in the White House by JFK and with of age interns by Slick Willie was A-OK with the majority of Democrats. Oh yes, the compassion for poor Teddy as he barely escaped death in the waters of Chappaquiddick to go on and become the 'Lion of the Senate'. I could go on and on...

And be careful portraying Charlie Sykes as some type of reasoned moderate. He made his bones as the voice of rabid conservatism on Milwaukee Talk Radio until he threw his lot in with the 'Never Trump' movement prior to the Wisconsin Primary. From that moment on he became one of the storm troopers in the destroy Trump movement. He linked up with Bill Kristol, George Will and the Weekly Standard crowd to keep the GOP solidly in the DC swamp, roll over to the Democrats camp. As we all know, this effort failed dramatically and the 'reasonably moderate' article you posted is just one more desperate attempt to marshal the Democrat party to help him achieve his dream of destroying Trump.

[Kathianne]

Be careful who you embrace as 'moderate voices of reason'. A poll showing mainstream Democrats 'forgiving' aberrant behavior by a fellow Democrat shouldn't be surprising at all. After all having sexual relations with underage interns in the White House by JFK and with of age interns by Slick Willie was A-OK with the majority of Democrats. Oh yes, the compassion for poor Teddy as he barely escaped death in the waters of Chappaquiddick to go on and become the 'Lion of the Senate'. I could go on and on...

And be careful portraying Charlie Sykes as some type of reasoned moderate. He made his bones as the voice of rabid conservatism on Milwaukee Talk Radio until he threw his lot in with the 'Never Trump' movement prior to the Wisconsin Primary. From that moment on he became one of the storm troopers in the destroy Trump movement. He linked up with Bill Kristol, George Will and the Weekly Standard crowd to keep the GOP solidly in the DC swamp, roll over to the Democrats camp. As we all know, this effort failed dramatically and the 'reasonably moderate' article you posted is just one more desperate attempt to marshal the Democrat party to help him achieve his dream of destroying Trump.

I'm not embracing left moderates. I am saying they exist, they are moderate, trending left. I'm moderate, trending right. I used to be more towards what was called right, but the right moved, not myself. I detest Wm. Jefferson Clinton. He is and was a misogynist. Cigar, "I didn't have sex with that woman." He even intimated, 'she wasn't my type.' Something I guess misogynists have in common.

But, heh, the 'right' would never embrace someone along those lines, right? :rolleyes: they are never hypocritical like the left.

So, sorry, not sorry. I'll make up my own mind in what I read, whom I vote for, and on which issues, including KNOWN behavior I'll make my choices.

I have more than the ability to see what policies of Clinton worked for the country. Same with Trump. Both did some things that worked or are still working for the good of the country. I was appalled with the impeachment of Clinton, not the censure. I was appalled that the country chose Trump, for the same reason I was for the censure of Clinton. Still and all, Trump's behaviors were known and he was duly and legally elected. I get that.

Obama, his personal adult behaviors were not made of the same types of things as the other two, though that was what we have been allowed to know. Personally, I do like that a president feels like his known behaviors should make the people feel like he's moral. Even if he knows better or the Secret Service or his family/close friends know better. As a President, he was an utter failure in my opinion. I didn't vote for him, I think he was bad for the country. So bad, he made President Trump, president.

Don't lecture or try to school me, I know what I know, more important I do know what I don't know.

[STTAB]

I'm not embracing left moderates. I am saying they exist, they are moderate, trending left. I'm moderate, trending right. I used to be more towards what was called right, but the right moved, not myself. I detest Wm. Jefferson Clinton. He is and was a misogynist. Cigar, "I didn't have sex with that woman." He even intimated, 'she wasn't my type.' Something I guess misogynists have in common.

But, heh, the 'right' would never embrace someone along those lines, right? :rolleyes: they are never hypocritical like the left.

So, sorry, not sorry. I'll make up my own mind in what I read, whom I vote for, and on which issues, including KNOWN behavior I'll make my choices.

I have more than the ability to see what policies of Clinton worked for the country. Same with Trump. Both did some things that worked or are still working for the good of the country. I was appalled with the impeachment of Clinton, not the censure. I was appalled that the country chose Trump, for the same reason I was for the censure of Clinton. Still and all, Trump's behaviors were known and he was duly and legally elected. I get that.

Obama, his personal adult behaviors were not made of the same types of things as the other two, though that was what we have been allowed to know. Personally, I do like that a president feels like his known behaviors should make the people feel like he's moral. Even if he knows better or the Secret Service or his family/close friends know better. As a President, he was an utter failure in my opinion. I didn't vote for him, I think he was bad for the country. So bad, he made President Trump, president.

Don't lecture or try to school me, I know what I know, more important I do know what I don't know.

Get the fuck out of here with your nuanced opinions. Either you think Obama was all bad and Trump is all good, or you're clearly a communist piece of shit who needs to be destroyed.

[Kathianne]

Get the fuck out of here with your nuanced opinions. Either you think Obama was all bad and Trump is all good, or you're clearly a communist piece of shit who needs to be destroyed.
Indeed, many feel that way. The left is so hateful.

[FakeNewsSux]

I'm not embracing left moderates. I am saying they exist, they are moderate, trending left. I'm moderate, trending right. I used to be more towards what was called right, but the right moved, not myself. I detest Wm. Jefferson Clinton. He is and was a misogynist. Cigar, "I didn't have sex with that woman." He even intimated, 'she wasn't my type.' Something I guess misogynists have in common.

But, heh, the 'right' would never embrace someone along those lines, right? :rolleyes: they are never hypocritical like the left.

So, sorry, not sorry. I'll make up my own mind in what I read, whom I vote for, and on which issues, including KNOWN behavior I'll make my choices.

I have more than the ability to see what policies of Clinton worked for the country. Same with Trump. Both did some things that worked or are still working for the good of the country. I was appalled with the impeachment of Clinton, not the censure. I was appalled that the country chose Trump, for the same reason I was for the censure of Clinton. Still and all, Trump's behaviors were known and he was duly and legally elected. I get that.

Obama, his personal adult behaviors were not made of the same types of things as the other two, though that was what we have been allowed to know. Personally, I do like that a president feels like his known behaviors should make the people feel like he's moral. Even if he knows better or the Secret Service or his family/close friends know better. As a President, he was an utter failure in my opinion. I didn't vote for him, I think he was bad for the country. So bad, he made President Trump, president.

Don't lecture or try to school me, I know what I know, more important I do know what I don't know.


https://youtu.be/YR5ApYxkU-U

[Kathianne]

Brilliant rejoinder for when one hasn't a decent response. :laugh2:

[FakeNewsSux]

Brilliant rejoinder for when one hasn't a decent response. :laugh2:

Oh, so you're saying you were aware of the background of Charlie Sykes and the baggage he brought to his article?

[Kathianne]

Oh, so you're saying you were aware of the background of Charlie Sykes and the baggage he brought to his article?

Here's my thing, I read something interesting. I share. In this case, I don't care who wrote it, he's spot on.

I see little from you other than bitterness and "Yay yay, Trump!" Seriously, find someone. Get a life.

[FakeNewsSux]

Here's my thing, I read something interesting. I share. In this case, I don't care who wrote it, he's spot on.

I see little from you other than bitterness and "Yay yay, Trump!" Seriously, find someone. Get a life.

Bitterness? In what way? I believe I was more, "Boo boo, Democrats and Charlie Sykes" than "Yay yay, Trump!" I believe my response was well reasoned, factual and didn't resort to ad hominem attack.

[STTAB]

Bitterness? In what way? I believe I was more, "Boo boo, Democrats and Charlie Sykes" than "Yay yay, Trump!" I believe my response was well reasoned, factual and didn't resort to ad hominem attack.

There is nothing factual about believing all liberals are insane moonbats. Many of them are perfectly reasonable people who just happen to have liberal views on many things.

Unfortunately Democrats in Congress appear to be ignoring this group and the Republicans damn sure aren't making any effort to appeal to these folks , who you don't think exists.

I mean really how can you deny these people exist? Trump won in 2016 specifically because of Obama voters who crossed over and voted for Trump. If those folks had been of the more radicalized left that never would have happened.

[Kathianne]

There is nothing factual about believing all liberals are insane moonbats. Many of them are perfectly reasonable people who just happen to have liberal views on many things.

Unfortunately Democrats in Congress appear to be ignoring this group and the Republicans damn sure aren't making any effort to appeal to these folks , who you don't think exists.

I mean really how can you deny these people exist? Trump won in 2016 specifically because of Obama voters who crossed over and voted for Trump. If those folks had been of the more radicalized left that never would have happened.

Exactly. I can't think of one of his posts that actually says anything about much. Indeed it's all, "If you're not 100% Trump you are a freakin' liberal commie that deserves to die!" I don't think he's a clue to what conservative looked like prior to Trump.