Harvard Rescinds Admission To Conservative Kyle Kashuv

[jimnyc]

So I wonder who pushed out there for this reversal? Someone wasn't pleased and this is where you end up. :rolleyes:

The kid made a mistake at 16 years old. Then apologized and moved forward, getting grades good enough to get accepted into Harvard. Then someone wants to already harm a kids life.

And more like "irrevocably non-tolerant liberal" schools out there.

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Harvard Rescinds Admission To Conservative Kyle Kashuv Over Private Racist Remarks He Wrote At 16, Despite Apology And Evidence Of Growth. This Is Disgusting.

Our universities may be irrevocably broken.

On Monday, Parkland survivor and outspoken conservative Kyle Kashuv announced that Harvard University had withdrawn his admission from the school over the revelation of racist, offensive, idiotic posts written on a private Google document with friends when he was sixteen years old. Never mind that Kashuv apologized publicly for the comments; never mind that his public behavior has evinced no racism whatsoever.

Forgiveness must be withheld.

Kashuv explained:

https://i.imgur.com/ftqtGBW.png

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Rest - https://www.dailywire.com/news/47971/hold-harvard-rescinds-admission-conservative-kyle-ben-shapiro

[STTAB]

The ONLY problem I have with something like this is that you rarely if ever see things like this happen to anyone who isn't conservative. This is an example of why I don't support going back years and decades to comb over social media sites to make sure people are politically correct, even if it's people I don't like.

[Elessar]

This rejection is ignorant and stupid.

He is not an outspoken liberal wind-up toy like so many others.

What is wrong with his presence, liberals?

Because he does not speak like you and your narrow-minded views?

Being liberal used to mean a person observed all thoughts and ideas.
Now it has become a bastion of socialists intolerant of opposing thoughts
and opinions.

How low can the liberals sink?

[Noir]

Speech had consequences, i was unaware of this guy until this thread - but looking up some of the comments he has made I am not surprised that an institution like Harvard has withdrawn his acceptance. Somewhat of a shame if he has shown genuine growth from the bile he was posting, but ultimately unsurprising.

[Kathianne]

Speech had consequences, i was unaware of this guy until this thread - but looking up some of the comments he has made I am not surprised that an institution like Harvard has withdrawn his acceptance. Somewhat of a shame if he has shown genuine growth from the bile he was posting, but ultimately unsurprising.


Actually I don't think it reflects well on the institution. 1. He apologized. 2. There is a huge difference between a 16 year old with peers on social media and an 18 year old. Now if one tried to sell me on such a difference between a 20 year old and a 22 year old, I might be harsher. The age at the lower end is a huge factor. 3. Harvard should have more confidence in itself as an institution and the student body as a whole. Isn't part of their entire reputation built on how differences and leadership are used in the forming of minds? Is one student or 100 going to change that or is the university going to help them grow?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Speech had consequences, i was unaware of this guy until this thread - but looking up some of the comments he has made I am not surprised that an institution like Harvard has withdrawn his acceptance. Somewhat of a shame if he has shown genuine growth from the bile he was posting, but ultimately unsurprising.



I am not surprised that an institution like Harvard has withdrawn his acceptance.

Yes, you would be , since you being liberal have such a high opinion of Harvard. While many of
us truly educated not only by great teachers, father time, reality and continuous education for
over 50 years now but also by seeing life and this dark world for that which it truly is, have no such
admiration for Harvard and what it has become.
Universities are spinning out graduates that are far less educated than were the average high school
graduates of 1938. And that is a fact. One need only take a test given to senior high school students
of the 20's/30's to see that very sad, very obvious and quite glaring reality my friend.
As you now so highly praise/admire Harvard for its liberal ideology and its past glory, you blindly think it a
great marvel, a fantastic university because its administration/politics are now so Liberal/Socialist/Marxist-
leaning.
Truth is it has the prestige because of its reputation from well over half a century back and further.
As it functions today, I would not want my son to go there at all. --Tyr

[STTAB]

Yes, you would be , since you being liberal have such a high opinion of Harvard. While many of
us truly educated not only by great teachers, father time, reality and continuous education for
over 50 years now but also by seeing life and this dark world for that which it truly is, have no such
admiration for Harvard and what it has become.
Universities are spinning out graduates that are far less educated than were the average high school
graduates of 1938. And that is a fact. One need only take a test given to senior high school students
of the 20's/30's to see that very sad, very obvious and quite glaring reality my friend.
As you now so highly praise/admire Harvard for its liberal ideology and its past glory, you blindly think it a
great marvel, a fantastic university because its administration/politics are now so Liberal/Socialist/Marxist-
leaning.
Truth is it has the prestige because of its reputation from well over half a century back and further.
As it functions today, I would not want my son to go there at all. --Tyr

Only an idiot wouldn't want their child to have a Harvard degree LOL they have their issues , but they are still Harvard.

[Noir]

Actually I don't think it reflects well on the institution. 1. He apologized.

As I mentioned if there has been growth after the situation then it’s a shame, but presenting that growth is not easy done and if all you’re left with is ‘but I apologised’ that might not be considered enough. I think it’s worth staying that he wasn’t telling an offensive joke or reacting poorly to a situation etc, in one of the images I saw he posted the N word a dozen times.

There’s also ofciurse that fact of ‘only apologising because he got caught’ as it appears that up until a few weeks ago he /forgot/ the kinds of messages he liked to post with his friends. Which is odd, imo.


2. There is a huge difference between a 16 year old with peers on social media and an 18 year old. Now if one tried to sell me on such a difference between a 20 year old and a 22 year old, I might be harsher. The age at the lower end is a huge factor.

Here we simply disagree, I think 16 years old is plenty old enough for him to of known that what he was doing was wrong.

Also, I know from my schooling of someone was looking to go to a top University like Oxford/Cambridge etc then the would know about that path from 13/14 and be actively pursuing it throughout the next few years, so either the American education system is fundamentally different, or this guy didn’t realise he was aiming for Harvard until very late in his academic studies, or he knew he was pursuing a path to Harvard while making the posts he did about black students etc.


3. Harvard should have more confidence in itself as an institution and the student body as a whole. Isn't part of their entire reputation built on how differences and leadership are used in the forming of minds? Is one student or 100 going to change that or is the university going to help them grow?

By the ‘its only one student’ metric they should never turn a student away for their personal life, which we can agree to disagree on, but i’d be surprised if we do.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Actually I don't think it reflects well on the institution. 1. He apologized. 2. There is a huge difference between a 16 year old with peers on social media and an 18 year old. Now if one tried to sell me on such a difference between a 20 year old and a 22 year old, I might be harsher. The age at the lower end is a huge factor. 3. Harvard should have more confidence in itself as an institution and the student body as a whole. Isn't part of their entire reputation built on how differences and leadership are used in the forming of minds? Is one student or 100 going to change that or is the university going to help them grow?
On this my friend, we agree.
I must ask , are all the black kids judged by their record on what they may have said at age 16?
We both know the answer to that question..
The answer is, they are primarily judged on skin color, as the primary admissions consideration.... liberalism at its best, eh?
And in that statement there is no negative insinuation upon their academic abilities.
Is this how Harvard teaches tolerance and forgiveness, and the benefits of diversity?
By deciding o single out this kid for a transgression or lack of civil thought he has at age 16?
If so- why stop at 16 years old, why not go back to 41, 12 or even 10 years old>?-- and apply that to- ALL. ?
Of course we know why...
As it is not about keeping standards, fairness, justice or doing what is right..
It is about the usual and modern political correctness, liberal ideology and the constant need to punish ones opposition born
from the usual darkness in the hearts and souls of those that so faithfully oppose/hate the light, the good and the best in decency and society/our modern culture, IMHO. -Tyr

[jimnyc]

Speech had consequences, i was unaware of this guy until this thread - but looking up some of the comments he has made I am not surprised that an institution like Harvard has withdrawn his acceptance. Somewhat of a shame if he has shown genuine growth from the bile he was posting, but ultimately unsurprising.

Amazing how speech has consequences - and yet the left, with their own speech & the horrid things some spit out - I NEVER see anyone complain about it, and sureasfuck not here!

And I have zero doubt that this has really anything to do with any racist comments - but rather his continued speaking out in support of guns, his gun rights views & his appearances and such on those views.

[Kathianne]

As I mentioned if there has been growth after the situation then it’s a shame, but presenting that growth is not easy done and if all you’re left with is ‘but I apologised’ that might not be considered enough. I think it’s worth staying that he wasn’t telling an offensive joke or reacting poorly to a situation etc, in one of the images I saw he posted the N word a dozen times.

There’s also ofciurse that fact of ‘only apologising because he got caught’ as it appears that up until a few weeks ago he /forgot/ the kinds of messages he liked to post with his friends. Which is odd, imo.



Here we simply disagree, I think 16 years old is plenty old enough for him to of known that what he was doing was wrong.

Also, I know from my schooling of someone was looking to go to a top University like Oxford/Cambridge etc then the would know about that path from 13/14 and be actively pursuing it throughout the next few years, so either the American education system is fundamentally different, or this guy didn’t realise he was aiming for Harvard until very late in his academic studies, or he knew he was pursuing a path to Harvard while making the posts he did about black students etc.



By the ‘its only one student’ metric they should never turn a student away for their personal life, which we can agree to disagree on, but i’d be surprised if we do.

We are going to 'agree to disagree.' I'm not defending anything he wrote, though only someone very callous would lose site that he was 16 and the shooting had an impact on him. Some that age would become anti-gun, he went the opposite, not unheard of for a mid-range teen. The language he used, again I would never excuse, but the whole thing about teens, especially boys, especially when preening before a groups of peers, is to shock. He did that, to the nth degree.

While his 'apology' doesn't carry weight for you, it should have for Harvard. It spoke to a realization, even if not heartfelt, that it was necessary. That alone marks his behavior as manageable.

[STTAB]

As I mentioned if there has been growth after the situation then it’s a shame, but presenting that growth is not easy done and if all you’re left with is ‘but I apologised’ that might not be considered enough. I think it’s worth staying that he wasn’t telling an offensive joke or reacting poorly to a situation etc, in one of the images I saw he posted the N word a dozen times.

There’s also ofciurse that fact of ‘only apologising because he got caught’ as it appears that up until a few weeks ago he /forgot/ the kinds of messages he liked to post with his friends. Which is odd, imo.



Here we simply disagree, I think 16 years old is plenty old enough for him to of known that what he was doing was wrong.

Also, I know from my schooling of someone was looking to go to a top University like Oxford/Cambridge etc then the would know about that path from 13/14 and be actively pursuing it throughout the next few years, so either the American education system is fundamentally different, or this guy didn’t realise he was aiming for Harvard until very late in his academic studies, or he knew he was pursuing a path to Harvard while making the posts he did about black students etc.



By the ‘its only one student’ metric they should never turn a student away for their personal life, which we can agree to disagree on, but i’d be surprised if we do.

If there was growth? It seems quite clear that there was growth. It also seems quite clear that this was a political calculation on the part of Harvard. They simply didn't want someone "like him" on their campus. Funny that these schools don't seem to mind when activists on the left call visitors on their campus nigger and other such things if those people are conservatives........

[jimnyc]

I think this picture explains things better. They don't want no pro 2nd amendment character on their campus.

https://i.imgur.com/h9Ynlyz.png


Social Justice Mania: Harvard Revokes Offer of Admission to Conservative Parkland Shooting Survivor Kyle Kashuv

Kyle Kashuv, the conservative high school student who survived the Parkland school shooting and who is a pro-gun activist, has had his admission offer to Harvard University’s Class of 2023 rescinded, after his racist and anti-Semitic remarks from two years ago became public last month.

Kashuv broke the news of Harvard’s decision to revoke his offer of admission on Monday in a Twitter thread where he lays out his conversations with Harvard’s Dean of Admissions and Financial Aid.

Rest - https://pjmedia.com/trending/harvard-revokes-offer-of-admission-to-conservative-parkland-shooting-survivor-kyle-kashuv/

[Kathianne]

I think this picture explains things better. They don't want no pro 2nd amendment character on their campus.

https://i.imgur.com/h9Ynlyz.png


Social Justice Mania: Harvard Revokes Offer of Admission to Conservative Parkland Shooting Survivor Kyle Kashuv

Kyle Kashuv, the conservative high school student who survived the Parkland school shooting and who is a pro-gun activist, has had his admission offer to Harvard University’s Class of 2023 rescinded, after his racist and anti-Semitic remarks from two years ago became public last month.

Kashuv broke the news of Harvard’s decision to revoke his offer of admission on Monday in a Twitter thread where he lays out his conversations with Harvard’s Dean of Admissions and Financial Aid.

Rest - https://pjmedia.com/trending/harvard-revokes-offer-of-admission-to-conservative-parkland-shooting-survivor-kyle-kashuv/

Maybe. The coverage though of his second amendment stance was widely carried while he was completing high school. :dunno:

[jimnyc]

Maybe. The coverage though of his second amendment stance was widely carried while he was completing high school. :dunno:

And still mainly all that is discussed about him. It was spread like wildfire and as if it was crazy that he was "pro-gun" after the shootings.

[jimnyc]

Never mind trashing him back then when he made comments. Never mind trashing him when he brought about his apology. And never mind continually bashing him when he made appearances about his pro gun stance.

And now, with all the glee in the world towards an 18yr old, the continue to trash him. The left oozes hatred. The celebrity left continually show what scum most of them are.

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Celebs Trash ‘Racist’ Parkland Survivor Rejected By Harvard

Who would have thought liberal celebrities would hate on Parkland shooting survivors?

When conservative teenager and former Turning Point USA spokesman Kyle Kashuv announced on Twitter that Harvard had rescinded his acceptance, liberals cheered. Celebrities called him a “racist,” while the propaganda rag Splinter referred to all conservatives defending Kashuv as “shitheads.”

Kashuv’s acceptance was rescinded in the wake of a scandalous Google doc where he was caught saying racial slurs. However, the young highschooler was 16 at the time of the recordings, before the shooting, and has since publicly apologized for his actions.

The liberal media and Hollywood have not accepted his apologies, instead slamming him at every opportunity. Will and Grace TV star Debra Messing retweeted CNN commentator Keith Boykin, who claimed “Mistakes have consequences. Harvard had every right to rescind that student’s admission.” Messing commented, “ABSOLUTELY.” Messing has retweeted and defended the liberal Parkland survivor, David Hogg, multiple times.

One-time actor and liberal conspiracy theorist Tom Arnold called out Ben Shapiro for defending Kashuv. Arnold said, “Looks like you just want a fellow racist to get into Harvard.” It’s ok, Tom. We all know your Russian conspiracy theories didn’t work out.

Human Rights Committee spokesperson Charlotte Clymer wrote, “Tens of millions of kids who aren't going to Harvard this year. I think he'll be okay.” A year ago, Clymer wrote, “Attack me. Leave children alone. What the hell is wrong with you cowards? #Parkland.”

Splinter, the liberal conspiracy theory site that enjoys doxxing members of the Trump administration, wrote, “Conservative shitheads race to defend teen's right to say the N-word and still go to Harvard.”

It seems like no one cares about the integrity of the Parkland kids anymore. At least, not the ones that are pro-Second Amendment.

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/culture/corinne-weaver/2019/06/17/celebs-trash-racist-parkland-survivor-rejected-harvard

[STTAB]

All one has to do is imagine the liberal outcry if David Hogg had gotten an offer from a prestigous college and then it was rescinded because years ago he had said something negative towards or about white people.

Liberal have zero shame and so double standards don't bother them at all.

[Kathianne]

And still mainly all that is discussed about him. It was spread like wildfire and as if it was crazy that he was "pro-gun" after the shootings.

and yet he was offered acceptance. The withdrawal of offer wouldn't make sense if that was 'primary motive.'

[Kathianne]

Noir This: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/06/20/harvard-should-have-educated-kyle-kashuv-racism-column/1499024001/

[Gunny]

As I mentioned if there has been growth after the situation then it’s a shame, but presenting that growth is not easy done and if all you’re left with is ‘but I apologised’ that might not be considered enough. I think it’s worth staying that he wasn’t telling an offensive joke or reacting poorly to a situation etc, in one of the images I saw he posted the N word a dozen times.

There’s also ofciurse that fact of ‘only apologising because he got caught’ as it appears that up until a few weeks ago he /forgot/ the kinds of messages he liked to post with his friends. Which is odd, imo.



Here we simply disagree, I think 16 years old is plenty old enough for him to of known that what he was doing was wrong.

Also, I know from my schooling of someone was looking to go to a top University like Oxford/Cambridge etc then the would know about that path from 13/14 and be actively pursuing it throughout the next few years, so either the American education system is fundamentally different, or this guy didn’t realise he was aiming for Harvard until very late in his academic studies, or he knew he was pursuing a path to Harvard while making the posts he did about black students etc.



By the ‘its only one student’ metric they should never turn a student away for their personal life, which we can agree to disagree on, but i’d be surprised if we do.One should not have to "present growth". I am totally with Kathianne on this on with regard to the difference between a 16 and 18 years old. Most are at the height of being a do-nothing kid at 16. By 18 they are at the bottom of the McDonald's job food chain. Two completely different worlds and two very different outlooks. Ever tried to get a 16 years old to even recognize that the future exists beyond "this Friday night" and a date with Suzy Rottencrotch?

Or find a 16 years old that isn't so damned full of his/her "Rights" they don't even understand they will proclaim loudly and in unison (while calling themselves individuals :laugh:)they don't give a damned what you think or society thinks and society has no Right to judge them.

Regardless that, a basic tenet of "being American" is paying your debt to society and moving on. We see how that works in practice. One mistake caught by the PC thought police and you're just f*cked for life. You aren't an adult legally until 18. You cannot purchase alcohol, tobacco (here in the SA the latter) or a firearm until you are 21. No one can use your juvenile record against you in adult court. It is sealed at 18. Regardless the stupidity of most of those laws, they sure are okay when they suit the liberal agenda.

Compare this case to Jussie Smollett. Some justice system :rolleyes:

[Kathianne]

One should not have to "present growth". I am totally with Kathianne on this on with regard to the difference between a 16 and 18 years old. Most are at the height of being a do-nothing kid at 16. By 18 they are at the bottom of the McDonald's job food chain. Two completely different worlds and two very different outlooks. Ever tried to get a 16 years old to even recognize that the future exists beyond "this Friday night" and a date with Suzy Rottencrotch?

Or find a 16 years old that isn't so damned full of his/her "Rights" they don't even understand they will proclaim loudly and in unison (while calling themselves individuals :laugh:)they don't give a damned what you think or society thinks and society has no Right to judge them.

Regardless that, a basic tenet of "being American" is paying your debt to society and moving on. We see how that works in practice. One mistake caught by the PC thought police and you're just f*cked for life. You aren't an adult legally until 18. You cannot purchase alcohol, tobacco (here in the SA the latter) or a firearm until you are 21. No one can use your juvenile record against you in adult court. It is sealed at 18. Regardless the stupidity of most of those laws, they sure are okay when they suit the liberal agenda.

Compare this case to Jussie Smollett. Some justice system :rolleyes:

I agree with you, though Harvard isn't the justice system. ;) Likely though to have a bigger impact on his life than what Smollett will face.

[jimnyc]

and yet he was offered acceptance. The withdrawal of offer wouldn't make sense if that was 'primary motive.'

I believe 100% it was the primary motive - but had nothing to do with him getting originally accepted. My belief is that they caved to someone/some folks over his 2nd amendment activism. Imagine someone like that, drawing attention and maybe speeches or whatever to Harvard?

Alumni and other powerful people can most certainly have pull on such things. I don't think that's the way it should be, but money has always spoken. That's what I meant from the get go when I said I believe someone pushed for it. I am NOT saying he had anything to do with this, just an example... but if a donater/alumnist like George Soros were to make large donations and such to support, and then didn't want a popular activist being there, they would likely listen in a NYC minute.

Of course this is just my opinion.

[Gunny]

I agree with you, though Harvard isn't the justice system. ;) Likely though to have a bigger impact on his life than what Smollett will face.Not to veer too far off topic, but I don't get that. I understand the prestige of Ivy League schools. At the same time, I'd just as soon not. I'd as soon get a degree from a "mortal" school and not deal with the added pressure of just the name "Harvard".

I also realize this isn't the justice system. Or is it not? Media is being used by the loud-mouth left to destroy the lives of anyone that disagrees with their two-faced sets of rules. And yes, it DOES have far greater impact on one's life than the justice system. IMO, the mores, values and whatnots of the society should reflect and be reflected by the laws it has on the books.

It's like a crap shoot anymore. If one aspires to be anything as an adult one can only hope they were a perfect child. On the right, anyway. If you're a leftwinger you can say "there is no racism against white people" while complaining about them and be applauded and make the grade.

I fear it is too late for our society as a whole. This kind of crap is not the exception. It is the rule anymore.

[Noir]

@Noir (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=517) This: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/06/20/harvard-should-have-educated-kyle-kashuv-racism-column/1499024001/

I find the main thrust of the argument flawed, that ‘Harvard is such a good educator, it should include Kashuv because it can make him a better person’ as it supposes that the only relevant qualifier Harvard should consider is academic life, which is it’s own kind of discrimination.

Consider by example a student who is expected to do well in their academic studies, but not excellent, certainly not excellent enough to be considered for placement at Harvard. The above argument could be made with only a few changes to text. ‘Why shouldn’t Harvard offer the chance for someone with a poorer academic grading to the taught by the best, learn with the best, and become a better person for it. Of course Harvard’s output is exceptional because their input is so restrictive. Should a person have their chance to study at Harvard taken away because when they were 16 decided to socialise with friends rather than excessively revise for exams and their GPA suffered as a result. If Harvard was a good educator then they could teach kids with average grades to academically excel, this is their weakness’ etc etc. You could certainly have a professor proclaiming ‘I want to teach students from all academic backgrounds to be Harvard graduates.’

The spirit of what’s behind the USA Today story I can understand - the old mantra ‘be kind to unkind people, they need it most’ leaves a sour taste but it is probably the right path to take - but applying this to an institution as discriminatory as an elite university just isn’t going to go anywhere.

[Kathianne]

I find the main thrust of the argument flawed, that ‘Harvard is such a good educator, it should include Kashuv because it can make him a better person’ as it supposes that the only relevant qualifier Harvard should consider is academic life, which is it’s own kind of discrimination.

Consider by example a student who is expected to do well in their academic studies, but not excellent, certainly not excellent enough to be considered for placement at Harvard. The above argument could be made with only a few changes to text. ‘Why shouldn’t Harvard offer the chance for someone with a poorer academic grading to the taught by the best, learn with the best, and become a better person for it. Of course Harvard’s output is exceptional because their input is so restrictive. Should a person have their chance to study at Harvard taken away because when they were 16 decided to socialise with friends rather than excessively revise for exams and their GPA suffered as a result. If Harvard was a good educator then they could teach kids with average grades to academically excel, this is their weakness’ etc etc. You could certainly have a professor proclaiming ‘I want to teach students from all academic backgrounds to be Harvard graduates.’

The spirit of what’s behind the USA Today story I can understand - the old mantra ‘be kind to unkind people, they need it most’ leaves a sour taste but it is probably the right path to take - but applying this to an institution as discriminatory as an elite university just isn’t going to go anywhere.

Actually that is something that is the everyday norm, it's called affirmative action.

[STTAB]

@Noir (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=517) This: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/06/20/harvard-should-have-educated-kyle-kashuv-racism-column/1499024001/

Do you think liberals would cheer on a private University who had previously offered admission to a liberal white kid only to rescind it later when it was determined that two years ago he made some racist remarks? No they would not.

Myself, I believe Harvard has the right to accept or reject whichever applicants they want, but I am sick to death of the constant double standards.

[jimnyc]

Do you think liberals would cheer on a private University who had previously offered admission to a liberal white kid only to rescind it later when it was determined that two years ago he made some racist remarks? No they would not.

Myself, I believe Harvard has the right to accept or reject whichever applicants they want, but I am sick to death of the constant double standards.

Imagine David Hogg having his acceptance rescinded over some comments around the shooting? And yep, a different set of beliefs about guns - and if he were denied after the fact, the libs would be screaming to the skies again.

[STTAB]

Imagine David Hogg having his acceptance rescinded over some comments around the shooting? And yep, a different set of beliefs about guns - and if he were denied after the fact, the libs would be screaming to the skies again.

Because leftists have ZERO principles. All they have is things they bash conservatives for doing. Even if they themselves are doing those exact same things, or worse.

[Noir]

Actually that is something that is the everyday norm, it's called affirmative action.

A practice you agree with?

[Noir]

Do you think liberals would cheer on a private University who had previously offered admission to a liberal white kid only to rescind it later when it was determined that two years ago he made some racist remarks? No they would not.

Myself, I believe Harvard has the right to accept or reject whichever applicants they want, but I am sick to death of the constant double standards.

Im not so sure - the left are non-too-shy at eating their own.

[jimnyc]

Meanwhile, liberals run so many of the colleges with their never ending demands. They get mini silent and crying rooms, quiet spaces. Places free of righties. They get violent without repercussions. Get to ban conservative speakers or events. Taught intolerance and liberal ideology. They give out white supremacy and white privilege classes & that's just a few. They get offended when someone else breathes.

[Kathianne]

A practice you agree with?

Honestly, I think it's by far best to have students go to the best university their grades and achievement will take them the furthest. So in most cases, affirmative action undermines the students it's meant to help.

https://www.nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/the-sad-irony-of-affirmative-action

The idea though, to have a more diverse body beyond the abilities level though, is well intentioned and is worth finding a path. However, the old saying about 'the road to . . .' If it were up to me, the Ivies would be well served by helping to place potential upperclassmen in a better suited university, mentoring through the first two years to make up some academic deficiencies these students carry with from the schools they'd attended and find a way to open enrollment with same scholarship offers in 2nd or 3rd year.

This case though isn't that. This is a qualified student, with a minority in thinking mindset that also would be a diversifying student. Something the universities need also. A handful of students that are not of the same cut, are not going to change the school, though exposure to differing schools of thought is purportedly what their business is. The disagreements, respectfully exchanged enlightens all. Respect on all sides helps all.

[STTAB]

Honestly, I think it's by far best to have students go to the best university their grades and achievement will take them the furthest. So in most cases, affirmative action undermines the students it's meant to help.

https://www.nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/the-sad-irony-of-affirmative-action

The idea though, to have a more diverse body beyond the abilities level though, is well intentioned and is worth finding a path. However, the old saying about 'the road to . . .' If it were up to me, the Ivies would be well served by helping to place potential upperclassmen in a better suited university, mentoring through the first two years to make up some academic deficiencies these students carry with from the schools they'd attended and find a way to open enrollment with same scholarship offers in 2nd or 3rd year.

This case though isn't that. This is a qualified student, with a minority in thinking mindset that also would be a diversifying student. Something the universities need also. A handful of students that are not of the same cut, are not going to change the school, though exposure to differing schools of thought is purportedly what their business is. The disagreements, respectfully exchanged enlightens all. Respect on all sides helps all.



And that , of course, hits the nail on the head. Leftists want diversity in everything, except thought. Just a quick example of that is Joe Biden caving on the Hyde Amendment he didn't do that because he changed his mind, he did that because the hive told him his present thought was unacceptable.

[Kathianne]

Noir here's a school that has 'rethought' that whole 'protect against contrary thoughts.' It's really what an education is about:

https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=13387


...

The University of Louisiana at Lafayette recently changed its campus free speech policy, preventing the school from regulating students who use speech protected by the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.


It is not the school’s responsibility to “shield” people from “ideas and opinions they find unwelcome, disagreeable, or even deeply offensive,” according to the new policy, reported The Vermilion.

...

I'm proud to have my university be the founder of this free speech code:

https://www.thefire.org/cases/fire-launches-campaign-in-support-of-university-of-chicago-free-speech-statement/


FIRE Launches Campaign in Support of University of Chicago Free Speech Statement

Category: Free Speech (https://www.thefire.org/category/cases/free-speech/)
Schools: University of Chicago (https://www.thefire.org/schools/university-of-chicago/)
During September 2015, FIRE launched a national campaign asking colleges and universities to adopt the free speech policy statement (http://provost.uchicago.edu/FOECommitteeReport.pdf) produced by the Committee on Freedom of Expression at the University of Chicago. The statement guarantees “all members of the University community the broadest possible latitude to speak, write, listen, challenge, and learn,” and makes clear that “it is not the proper role of the University to attempt to shield individuals from ideas and opinions they find unwelcome, disagreeable, or even deeply offensive.”
FIRE wrote hundreds of faculty members, students, and student journalists at institutions nationwide to build momentum in support of the Chicago statement.

Pledge Your Support for the Chicago Statement on Free Expression (https://www.thefire.org/pledge-your-support-for-the-chicago-statement/)

[Elessar]

Noir here's a school that has 'rethought' that whole 'protect against contrary thoughts.' It's really what an education is about:

https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=13387

I'm proud to have my university be the founder of this free speech code:

https://www.thefire.org/cases/fire-launches-campaign-in-support-of-university-of-chicago-free-speech-statement/

This is a good and wise move. Perhaps other institutions will jump on board.

Yet I do not see U.C. Berkeley joining in - too far left.

[SassyLady]

Only an idiot wouldn't want their child to have a Harvard degree LOL they have their issues , but they are still Harvard.

Then I'm an idiot. I would rather my child attend a more balanced institution.

My granddaughter was accepted to Stanford and Berkeley. Then she got pregnant and had to give up that dream and stay home and go to University of Arizona. Our whole family was thankful because we were horrified she had applied to such liberal institutions. We were afraid we would lose her forever. Even at UofA she's being radicalized but thankfully there's some balance from family influences.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Then I'm an idiot. I would rather my child attend a more balanced institution.

My granddaughter was accepted to Stanford and Berkeley. Then she got pregnant and had to give up that dream and stay home and go to University of Arizona. Our whole family was thankful because we were horrified she had applied to such liberal institutions. We were afraid we would lose her forever. Even at UofA she's being radicalized but thankfully there's some balance from family influences.

Which was my point when I made my statement. I would not want my son to go to Harvard.
Character, morality and integrity trumps have their seal of approval, IMHO..
Harvard may not be as liberal as some others are, but still it is far too liberal for my tastes.
Then I guess you and I are both idiots then, huh? For placing values, integrity and character over that of financial gain by way of
what Ivy League university that one hails from.. At least I am in with fine company-then... --Tyr