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AFbombloader
09-01-2007, 05:35 PM
Our Top 10 best military movies of all time

By C. Mark Brinkley - Staff writer


Lists of “best of” movies are like boxes of chocolates — you never know what you’re going to get.

The American Film Institute recently released its updated list of the 100 greatest American movies of all time. This ranking comes on the 10th anniversary of AFI’s original list and was based on responses to 1,500 ballots sent to filmmakers, actors, writers and other would-be experts.

Guess what? Movies about life at the tip of the spear once again got the shaft.

Such explosive boomfests remain a staple of American cinema, but it seems that precious few of them are considered worth talking about. Maybe that’s a result of a war-weary nation. Or maybe it’s just good ol’ Hollywood liberalism.

Whatever the reason, out of the 400 possible selections on the AFI ballot, only 21 could be characterized as truly American “war movies,” and some of those barely make the cut. Sorry, but we’re not counting fluffy romance films set against a battlefield backdrop (take that, “From Here To Eternity”). And we’re not counting sci-fi battles (forgives us, Yoda does).

We’re talking about classic movie moments that provide a snapshot of American military history, must-see films like “The Sands of Iwo Jima” and “The Green Berets” (two of the Duke’s finest. God bless you, John Wayne, wherever you are).

No, we’re not counting “Forrest Gump,” either. That’s all we have to say about that.

So we created our own list — the Military Times “top 10 American war movies that should have made the AFI’s Top 100.”

10. A Bridge Too Far (1977)
“Out of the sky comes the screen’s most incredible spectacle of men and war!” is how the movie poster sold it way back when. Featuring more stars than a box of Lucky Charms, “Bridge” tells the story of Operation Market Garden, the Allies’ botched attempt to break through the Nazi lines in the Netherlands during World War II.

The film mixes archival footage with memorable performances from the likes of James Caan, Michael Caine, Sean Connery, Gene Hackman, Anthony Hopkins and Robert Redford. Arguably one of the best war films of the modern era, its absence from the ballot should be a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

9. The Dirty Dozen (1967)
“Train them! Excite them! Arm them! ... Then turn them loose on the Nazis!” might sound like overstating the point, but “The Dirty Dozen” delivers all that and more. Lee Marvin, Ernest Borgnine, Telly Savalas and Charles Bronson star in the story of 12 military prisoners, all serving life sentences or awaiting execution, who are offered a chance to trade their punishments for a suicide mission aimed at disrupting the German chain of command before the D-Day invasion.

If they make it out, they go free.

Good enough to land at No. 65 on AFI’s 2001 list of “100 Years ... 100 Thrills,” the movie failed to crack the greatest hits list, or even the ballot. Hard to believe, considering it was nominated for four Oscars (with one win, for best sound effects) and was a huge box-office success for MGM.

We demand a recount.

8. The Great Escape (1963)
“The Great Adventure! The Great Entertainment! The Great Escape!” In this movie based on real events, the most notorious escape artists of the Nazi prison system are placed in the Alcatraz of POW camps, where they promptly make plans to tunnel their way to freedom.

Starring Richard Attenborough, Steve McQueen, James Garner and Charles Bronson, the film takes some liberties with the truth, but still manages to deliver a wild romp (and an incredible motorcycle chase scene, as McQueen makes a run for Switzerland).

The AFI folks were smart enough to include “The Great Escape” on the ballot, but the voters missed the target.

7. Top Gun (1986)
“Up there with the best of the best.” Indeed, “Top Gun” belongs at the top, if only for giving us such memorable catchphrases as “I feel the need ... the need for speed.”

For the three people out there who haven’t seen it, “Top Gun” is the story of military pilots — sorry, naval aviators — honing their dog-fighting skills at the Navy Fighter Weapons School. The tragic loss of a main character reminds us all that life is far too fragile.

Not a war movie, you say? Blasphemy. You don’t consider entering a 4G inverted dive with a MiG-28 over international waters as “combat.” Tell that to Cougar. He couldn’t handle it, turned in his wings. That’s how Tom Cruise and Anthony Edwards (leaders of an ensemble cast that includes Val Kilmer, Kelly McGillis and Meg Ryan) ended up at the school in the first place.

Alternately cliché and charismatic, “Top Gun” is a must-see.

6. Letters from Iwo Jima (2006)
Perhaps it was just too new?

Clint Eastwood is all over the Top 400 ballot, as both an actor and a director, but somehow the AFI pollsters managed to miss one of his greatest efforts. “Letters from Iwo Jima,” the story of the American assault on the tiny Japanese island during World War II, shows the battle from the viewpoint of the Japanese defenders.

A companion piece to “Flags of Our Fathers” — a decent movie in its own right, although James Bradley’s book was far better — the film succeeds in illuminating the complexities of war. As the movie clearly illustrates, there are always two sides to every story.

Expect to see “Letters” make the list down the road, once the new-movie smell wears off.

5. The Caine Mutiny (1954)
Think “Crimson Tide,” but better.

“The Caine Mutiny” tells the fictional story of a wacko Navy captain relieved of command by his crew during World War II, and of the subsequent trial of the mutineers. Based on the Pulitzer Prize-winning novel by Herman Wouk, the film raises serious questions about the chain of command and blindly following orders.

Nominated for seven Oscars, “The Caine Mutiny” had the misfortune of running against Marlon Brando in the classic “On the Waterfront,” and was shut out at the Academy Awards. Nonetheless, Humphrey Bogart shines alongside then-newcomer Lee Marvin in a supporting role.

That the AFI team left it off the ballot should inspire mutiny, too.

4. Glory (1989)
An account of racial prejudice during the Civil War, “Glory” tells the true story of the Army’s first all-black regiment.

Starring Matthew Broderick, Denzel Washington and Morgan Freeman, the film depicts two struggles — one against stereotypes, the other against the Confederate Army. “Glory” earned Washington an Oscar and a Golden Globe for best supporting actor, and was good enough to make the AFI ballot, but wasn’t good enough to be selected by the voting members.

Prepare to be weepy by the end.

3. Black Hawk Down (2001)
Possibly the loudest war movie ever made, “Black Hawk Down” rattles the nerves with the sheer volume of the combat sequences.

From start to finish, the gritty retelling of the Battle of Mogadishu during operations in Somalia in October 1993 reminds viewers that things can go tragically wrong on the battlefield in an instant. Based on the best-selling book by Mark Bowden, the film is shockingly realistic, bringing combat to life in a way few other movies have managed.

That “Black Hawk Down” didn’t even make the ballot, when movies such as “Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban” did, is just sad.

2. Patton (1970)
If you’ve never seen “Patton,” you shouldn’t even be reading this list.

Starring George C. Scott as the iconic American general, “Patton” tells the story of Gen. George S. Patton Jr., a loud, irascible man whose hatred of the enemy was overshadowed only by his own ambition.

The winner of seven of the 10 Oscars it was nominated for in 1971, including best actor, best director and best picture, “Patton” was at least considered good enough to make it onto the ballot.

1. Full Metal Jacket (1987)
Private Joker, are you trying to offend me?

Our pick for the best war movie of the past 20 years, if not all time, and it didn’t even crack the Top 400 ballot. Words fail to express how wrong that is.

“Full Metal Jacket,” directed by Stanley Kubrick and starring Matthew Modine, Vincent D’Onofrio and R. Lee Ermey (in the role that made him a star), could be considered two great war movies for the price of one. The first half of the film shows Marine recruits at boot camp, preparing for Vietnam, while the second half deals with the violence and uncertainty of that war.

Perhaps it was the vulgarity and brutality of the film that made it such a tough sell for the voters. Or the vulgarity. Maybe the racism. Did we mention the vulgarity?

Not for the faint of heart, “Full Metal Jacket” is about as real as it comes without signing a contract. Even today, many of the themes still ring true.

And that’s all we have to say about that.

I don't know if I fully agree with this list. Personally I would not put "Top Gun" anywhere on this list. I would replace it with "We were Soldiers".

Opinions anyone???

LiberalNation
09-01-2007, 05:39 PM
Patton an full medal jacket both rock. I'd also ass we were soldiers. That was a really grat war film. Platoon was okay. Never seen top gun. The fight scenes in Pearl Harbor were good but not really a war movie. Worth watching for the fight scenes tho.

nevadamedic
09-01-2007, 05:41 PM
Our Top 10 best military movies of all time

By C. Mark Brinkley - Staff writer


Lists of “best of” movies are like boxes of chocolates — you never know what you’re going to get.

The American Film Institute recently released its updated list of the 100 greatest American movies of all time. This ranking comes on the 10th anniversary of AFI’s original list and was based on responses to 1,500 ballots sent to filmmakers, actors, writers and other would-be experts.

Guess what? Movies about life at the tip of the spear once again got the shaft.

Such explosive boomfests remain a staple of American cinema, but it seems that precious few of them are considered worth talking about. Maybe that’s a result of a war-weary nation. Or maybe it’s just good ol’ Hollywood liberalism.

Whatever the reason, out of the 400 possible selections on the AFI ballot, only 21 could be characterized as truly American “war movies,” and some of those barely make the cut. Sorry, but we’re not counting fluffy romance films set against a battlefield backdrop (take that, “From Here To Eternity”). And we’re not counting sci-fi battles (forgives us, Yoda does).

We’re talking about classic movie moments that provide a snapshot of American military history, must-see films like “The Sands of Iwo Jima” and “The Green Berets” (two of the Duke’s finest. God bless you, John Wayne, wherever you are).

No, we’re not counting “Forrest Gump,” either. That’s all we have to say about that.

So we created our own list — the Military Times “top 10 American war movies that should have made the AFI’s Top 100.”

10. A Bridge Too Far (1977)
“Out of the sky comes the screen’s most incredible spectacle of men and war!” is how the movie poster sold it way back when. Featuring more stars than a box of Lucky Charms, “Bridge” tells the story of Operation Market Garden, the Allies’ botched attempt to break through the Nazi lines in the Netherlands during World War II.

The film mixes archival footage with memorable performances from the likes of James Caan, Michael Caine, Sean Connery, Gene Hackman, Anthony Hopkins and Robert Redford. Arguably one of the best war films of the modern era, its absence from the ballot should be a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

9. The Dirty Dozen (1967)
“Train them! Excite them! Arm them! ... Then turn them loose on the Nazis!” might sound like overstating the point, but “The Dirty Dozen” delivers all that and more. Lee Marvin, Ernest Borgnine, Telly Savalas and Charles Bronson star in the story of 12 military prisoners, all serving life sentences or awaiting execution, who are offered a chance to trade their punishments for a suicide mission aimed at disrupting the German chain of command before the D-Day invasion.

If they make it out, they go free.

Good enough to land at No. 65 on AFI’s 2001 list of “100 Years ... 100 Thrills,” the movie failed to crack the greatest hits list, or even the ballot. Hard to believe, considering it was nominated for four Oscars (with one win, for best sound effects) and was a huge box-office success for MGM.

We demand a recount.

8. The Great Escape (1963)
“The Great Adventure! The Great Entertainment! The Great Escape!” In this movie based on real events, the most notorious escape artists of the Nazi prison system are placed in the Alcatraz of POW camps, where they promptly make plans to tunnel their way to freedom.

Starring Richard Attenborough, Steve McQueen, James Garner and Charles Bronson, the film takes some liberties with the truth, but still manages to deliver a wild romp (and an incredible motorcycle chase scene, as McQueen makes a run for Switzerland).

The AFI folks were smart enough to include “The Great Escape” on the ballot, but the voters missed the target.

7. Top Gun (1986)
“Up there with the best of the best.” Indeed, “Top Gun” belongs at the top, if only for giving us such memorable catchphrases as “I feel the need ... the need for speed.”

For the three people out there who haven’t seen it, “Top Gun” is the story of military pilots — sorry, naval aviators — honing their dog-fighting skills at the Navy Fighter Weapons School. The tragic loss of a main character reminds us all that life is far too fragile.

Not a war movie, you say? Blasphemy. You don’t consider entering a 4G inverted dive with a MiG-28 over international waters as “combat.” Tell that to Cougar. He couldn’t handle it, turned in his wings. That’s how Tom Cruise and Anthony Edwards (leaders of an ensemble cast that includes Val Kilmer, Kelly McGillis and Meg Ryan) ended up at the school in the first place.

Alternately cliché and charismatic, “Top Gun” is a must-see.

6. Letters from Iwo Jima (2006)
Perhaps it was just too new?

Clint Eastwood is all over the Top 400 ballot, as both an actor and a director, but somehow the AFI pollsters managed to miss one of his greatest efforts. “Letters from Iwo Jima,” the story of the American assault on the tiny Japanese island during World War II, shows the battle from the viewpoint of the Japanese defenders.

A companion piece to “Flags of Our Fathers” — a decent movie in its own right, although James Bradley’s book was far better — the film succeeds in illuminating the complexities of war. As the movie clearly illustrates, there are always two sides to every story.

Expect to see “Letters” make the list down the road, once the new-movie smell wears off.

5. The Caine Mutiny (1954)
Think “Crimson Tide,” but better.

“The Caine Mutiny” tells the fictional story of a wacko Navy captain relieved of command by his crew during World War II, and of the subsequent trial of the mutineers. Based on the Pulitzer Prize-winning novel by Herman Wouk, the film raises serious questions about the chain of command and blindly following orders.

Nominated for seven Oscars, “The Caine Mutiny” had the misfortune of running against Marlon Brando in the classic “On the Waterfront,” and was shut out at the Academy Awards. Nonetheless, Humphrey Bogart shines alongside then-newcomer Lee Marvin in a supporting role.

That the AFI team left it off the ballot should inspire mutiny, too.

4. Glory (1989)
An account of racial prejudice during the Civil War, “Glory” tells the true story of the Army’s first all-black regiment.

Starring Matthew Broderick, Denzel Washington and Morgan Freeman, the film depicts two struggles — one against stereotypes, the other against the Confederate Army. “Glory” earned Washington an Oscar and a Golden Globe for best supporting actor, and was good enough to make the AFI ballot, but wasn’t good enough to be selected by the voting members.

Prepare to be weepy by the end.

3. Black Hawk Down (2001)
Possibly the loudest war movie ever made, “Black Hawk Down” rattles the nerves with the sheer volume of the combat sequences.

From start to finish, the gritty retelling of the Battle of Mogadishu during operations in Somalia in October 1993 reminds viewers that things can go tragically wrong on the battlefield in an instant. Based on the best-selling book by Mark Bowden, the film is shockingly realistic, bringing combat to life in a way few other movies have managed.

That “Black Hawk Down” didn’t even make the ballot, when movies such as “Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban” did, is just sad.

2. Patton (1970)
If you’ve never seen “Patton,” you shouldn’t even be reading this list.

Starring George C. Scott as the iconic American general, “Patton” tells the story of Gen. George S. Patton Jr., a loud, irascible man whose hatred of the enemy was overshadowed only by his own ambition.

The winner of seven of the 10 Oscars it was nominated for in 1971, including best actor, best director and best picture, “Patton” was at least considered good enough to make it onto the ballot.

1. Full Metal Jacket (1987)
Private Joker, are you trying to offend me?

Our pick for the best war movie of the past 20 years, if not all time, and it didn’t even crack the Top 400 ballot. Words fail to express how wrong that is.

“Full Metal Jacket,” directed by Stanley Kubrick and starring Matthew Modine, Vincent D’Onofrio and R. Lee Ermey (in the role that made him a star), could be considered two great war movies for the price of one. The first half of the film shows Marine recruits at boot camp, preparing for Vietnam, while the second half deals with the violence and uncertainty of that war.

Perhaps it was the vulgarity and brutality of the film that made it such a tough sell for the voters. Or the vulgarity. Maybe the racism. Did we mention the vulgarity?

Not for the faint of heart, “Full Metal Jacket” is about as real as it comes without signing a contract. Even today, many of the themes still ring true.

And that’s all we have to say about that.

I don't know if I fully agree with this list. Personally I would not put "Top Gun" anywhere on this list. I would replace it with "We were Soldiers".

Opinions anyone???

How can they leave out the Iron Eagle series................

jackass
09-01-2007, 05:43 PM
No Saving Private Ryan or PLATOON!?!?!?!?

Gaffer
09-01-2007, 05:45 PM
I would replace top gun and the caine mutiny with We Were Soldiers and The Alamo (the latest version). The Great Escape replace with The Raid and replace dirty dozen with Zulu.

AFbombloader
09-01-2007, 05:45 PM
How can they leave out the Iron Eagle series................

OUCH! Low blow! I figured the jab at the Air Force would take longer! Worst movies ever!

LiberalNation
09-01-2007, 05:45 PM
Forgot saving private ryan, yeah that one should be in there too. Some of the movies on the list sucked compared to that one.

AFbombloader
09-01-2007, 05:46 PM
No Saving Private Ryan or PLATOON!?!?!?!?

I agree with both of those. I didn't write the list. If you had to take 10, what would you pull off the list they put out? I think you need to look at Apocalypse Now and The Deer Hunter too.

nevadamedic
09-01-2007, 05:47 PM
OUCH! Low blow! I figured the jab at the Air Force would take longer! Worst movies ever!

That wasn't a blow, I loved that series! I have a lot of respect for the Air Force.

Kathianne
09-01-2007, 05:48 PM
Tora, Tora, Tora

Saving Private Ryan

Good Morning, Vietnam

Forest Gump

AFbombloader
09-01-2007, 05:50 PM
That wasn't a blow, I loved that series! I have a lot of respect for the Air Force.

I didn't want to say you had anything but respect for the AF. But from an AF perspective...those movies are horrible. They were goo fun films. Broken Arrow didn't do anything for the AF either. We can't seem to get any good AF movies made.

Said1
09-01-2007, 05:50 PM
No Saving Private Ryan or PLATOON!?!?!?!?

Or the Band of Brothers series?

nevadamedic
09-01-2007, 05:53 PM
I didn't want to say you had anything but respect for the AF. But from an AF perspective...those movies are horrible. They were goo fun films. Broken Arrow didn't do anything for the AF either. We can't seem to get any good AF movies made.

It is a classic series.

badger
09-01-2007, 05:53 PM
I do not agree with half the movies that made the "top 10." For example, where's "Saving Private Ryan?"

AFbombloader
09-01-2007, 05:53 PM
Or the Band of Brothers series?

I agree, but it wasn't a movie.

badger
09-01-2007, 05:57 PM
Also, the full length extended version of "Apocalypse Now." Many film critics think that movie is in the top 10 ever made of any type.

nevadamedic
09-01-2007, 05:57 PM
I agree, but it wasn't a movie.

It was a made for TV movie series............

AFbombloader
09-01-2007, 06:02 PM
It is a classic series.

True, I did know pilots that would bring their music up with them on long flights. They had a "y" hookup so they could attach them to their helmets.

badger
09-01-2007, 06:04 PM
I didn't want to say you had anything but respect for the AF. But from an AF perspective...those movies are horrible. They were goo fun films. Broken Arrow didn't do anything for the AF either. We can't seem to get any good AF movies made."12 O'Clock High" with Gregory Peck was an excellent film.

retiredman
09-01-2007, 10:17 PM
I saw the thread title and said "full metal jacket" before I even opened it up.

Gaffer
09-01-2007, 10:30 PM
Also, the full length extended version of "Apocalypse Now." Many film critics think that movie is in the top 10 ever made of any type.

That movie sucked monkey turds to the highest level.

dan
09-04-2007, 04:31 AM
Once the Gomer Pyle section of Full Metal Jacket ended, I didn't like it anymore, so I wouldn't put it on there. But, I would put Saving Private Ryan on there, as well as The Deer Hunter.

Decent list, though. Top Gun is as much a war movie as Ghost is a horror movie, though.

Yurt
09-04-2007, 06:21 PM
Behind Enemy Lines

A good movie for today's politik situation.

IMO

JohnDoe
09-04-2007, 06:42 PM
the bridge on the river kwai is one of the only war movies i ever saw.... it was the brits, but a great military movie, made before i was born, but great, none the less!

Sock Puppet
09-04-2007, 06:50 PM
Well... if we were also to vote for TV series war shows, 'Tour of Duty' would be at the top of my list. :salute:

nevadamedic
09-04-2007, 06:50 PM
the bridge on the river kwai is one of the only war movies i ever saw.... it was the brits, but a great military movie, made before i was born, but great, none the less!


They had movies before you were born? :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

Kathianne
09-04-2007, 07:10 PM
Our Top 10 best military movies of all time

By C. Mark Brinkley - Staff writer


Lists of “best of” movies are like boxes of chocolates — you never know what you’re going to get.

The American Film Institute recently released its updated list of the 100 greatest American movies of all time. This ranking comes on the 10th anniversary of AFI’s original list and was based on responses to 1,500 ballots sent to filmmakers, actors, writers and other would-be experts.

Guess what? Movies about life at the tip of the spear once again got the shaft.

Such explosive boomfests remain a staple of American cinema, but it seems that precious few of them are considered worth talking about. Maybe that’s a result of a war-weary nation. Or maybe it’s just good ol’ Hollywood liberalism.

Whatever the reason, out of the 400 possible selections on the AFI ballot, only 21 could be characterized as truly American “war movies,” and some of those barely make the cut. Sorry, but we’re not counting fluffy romance films set against a battlefield backdrop (take that, “From Here To Eternity”). And we’re not counting sci-fi battles (forgives us, Yoda does).

We’re talking about classic movie moments that provide a snapshot of American military history, must-see films like “The Sands of Iwo Jima” and “The Green Berets” (two of the Duke’s finest. God bless you, John Wayne, wherever you are).

No, we’re not counting “Forrest Gump,” either. That’s all we have to say about that.

So we created our own list — the Military Times “top 10 American war movies that should have made the AFI’s Top 100.”

10. A Bridge Too Far (1977)
“Out of the sky comes the screen’s most incredible spectacle of men and war!” is how the movie poster sold it way back when. Featuring more stars than a box of Lucky Charms, “Bridge” tells the story of Operation Market Garden, the Allies’ botched attempt to break through the Nazi lines in the Netherlands during World War II.

The film mixes archival footage with memorable performances from the likes of James Caan, Michael Caine, Sean Connery, Gene Hackman, Anthony Hopkins and Robert Redford. Arguably one of the best war films of the modern era, its absence from the ballot should be a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

9. The Dirty Dozen (1967)
“Train them! Excite them! Arm them! ... Then turn them loose on the Nazis!” might sound like overstating the point, but “The Dirty Dozen” delivers all that and more. Lee Marvin, Ernest Borgnine, Telly Savalas and Charles Bronson star in the story of 12 military prisoners, all serving life sentences or awaiting execution, who are offered a chance to trade their punishments for a suicide mission aimed at disrupting the German chain of command before the D-Day invasion.

If they make it out, they go free.

Good enough to land at No. 65 on AFI’s 2001 list of “100 Years ... 100 Thrills,” the movie failed to crack the greatest hits list, or even the ballot. Hard to believe, considering it was nominated for four Oscars (with one win, for best sound effects) and was a huge box-office success for MGM.

We demand a recount.

8. The Great Escape (1963)
“The Great Adventure! The Great Entertainment! The Great Escape!” In this movie based on real events, the most notorious escape artists of the Nazi prison system are placed in the Alcatraz of POW camps, where they promptly make plans to tunnel their way to freedom.

Starring Richard Attenborough, Steve McQueen, James Garner and Charles Bronson, the film takes some liberties with the truth, but still manages to deliver a wild romp (and an incredible motorcycle chase scene, as McQueen makes a run for Switzerland).

The AFI folks were smart enough to include “The Great Escape” on the ballot, but the voters missed the target.

7. Top Gun (1986)
“Up there with the best of the best.” Indeed, “Top Gun” belongs at the top, if only for giving us such memorable catchphrases as “I feel the need ... the need for speed.”

For the three people out there who haven’t seen it, “Top Gun” is the story of military pilots — sorry, naval aviators — honing their dog-fighting skills at the Navy Fighter Weapons School. The tragic loss of a main character reminds us all that life is far too fragile.

Not a war movie, you say? Blasphemy. You don’t consider entering a 4G inverted dive with a MiG-28 over international waters as “combat.” Tell that to Cougar. He couldn’t handle it, turned in his wings. That’s how Tom Cruise and Anthony Edwards (leaders of an ensemble cast that includes Val Kilmer, Kelly McGillis and Meg Ryan) ended up at the school in the first place.

Alternately cliché and charismatic, “Top Gun” is a must-see.

6. Letters from Iwo Jima (2006)
Perhaps it was just too new?

Clint Eastwood is all over the Top 400 ballot, as both an actor and a director, but somehow the AFI pollsters managed to miss one of his greatest efforts. “Letters from Iwo Jima,” the story of the American assault on the tiny Japanese island during World War II, shows the battle from the viewpoint of the Japanese defenders.

A companion piece to “Flags of Our Fathers” — a decent movie in its own right, although James Bradley’s book was far better — the film succeeds in illuminating the complexities of war. As the movie clearly illustrates, there are always two sides to every story.

Expect to see “Letters” make the list down the road, once the new-movie smell wears off.

5. The Caine Mutiny (1954)
Think “Crimson Tide,” but better.

“The Caine Mutiny” tells the fictional story of a wacko Navy captain relieved of command by his crew during World War II, and of the subsequent trial of the mutineers. Based on the Pulitzer Prize-winning novel by Herman Wouk, the film raises serious questions about the chain of command and blindly following orders.

Nominated for seven Oscars, “The Caine Mutiny” had the misfortune of running against Marlon Brando in the classic “On the Waterfront,” and was shut out at the Academy Awards. Nonetheless, Humphrey Bogart shines alongside then-newcomer Lee Marvin in a supporting role.

That the AFI team left it off the ballot should inspire mutiny, too.

4. Glory (1989)
An account of racial prejudice during the Civil War, “Glory” tells the true story of the Army’s first all-black regiment.

Starring Matthew Broderick, Denzel Washington and Morgan Freeman, the film depicts two struggles — one against stereotypes, the other against the Confederate Army. “Glory” earned Washington an Oscar and a Golden Globe for best supporting actor, and was good enough to make the AFI ballot, but wasn’t good enough to be selected by the voting members.

Prepare to be weepy by the end.

3. Black Hawk Down (2001)
Possibly the loudest war movie ever made, “Black Hawk Down” rattles the nerves with the sheer volume of the combat sequences.

From start to finish, the gritty retelling of the Battle of Mogadishu during operations in Somalia in October 1993 reminds viewers that things can go tragically wrong on the battlefield in an instant. Based on the best-selling book by Mark Bowden, the film is shockingly realistic, bringing combat to life in a way few other movies have managed.

That “Black Hawk Down” didn’t even make the ballot, when movies such as “Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban” did, is just sad.

2. Patton (1970)
If you’ve never seen “Patton,” you shouldn’t even be reading this list.

Starring George C. Scott as the iconic American general, “Patton” tells the story of Gen. George S. Patton Jr., a loud, irascible man whose hatred of the enemy was overshadowed only by his own ambition.

The winner of seven of the 10 Oscars it was nominated for in 1971, including best actor, best director and best picture, “Patton” was at least considered good enough to make it onto the ballot.

1. Full Metal Jacket (1987)
Private Joker, are you trying to offend me?

Our pick for the best war movie of the past 20 years, if not all time, and it didn’t even crack the Top 400 ballot. Words fail to express how wrong that is.

“Full Metal Jacket,” directed by Stanley Kubrick and starring Matthew Modine, Vincent D’Onofrio and R. Lee Ermey (in the role that made him a star), could be considered two great war movies for the price of one. The first half of the film shows Marine recruits at boot camp, preparing for Vietnam, while the second half deals with the violence and uncertainty of that war.

Perhaps it was the vulgarity and brutality of the film that made it such a tough sell for the voters. Or the vulgarity. Maybe the racism. Did we mention the vulgarity?

Not for the faint of heart, “Full Metal Jacket” is about as real as it comes without signing a contract. Even today, many of the themes still ring true.

And that’s all we have to say about that.

I don't know if I fully agree with this list. Personally I would not put "Top Gun" anywhere on this list. I would replace it with "We were Soldiers".

Opinions anyone???

I pretty much agree with your assessment, but Tora, Tora, Tora! Would have to be there too!

Sitarro
09-04-2007, 08:30 PM
"The Hunters" just for the dog fight scenes. F-86Fs(my favorite aircraft of all time) against F-84s painted to look like Migs. Robert Mitchem and Robert Wagner at maybe 20 years old. Many scenes blatantly stolen from this movie by Top Gun. Too much romance to make it a great war film but.....

"The Guns of Navarone", not a classic war movie either but neither is "Full Metal Jacket" or "The Dirty Dozen".

For comedy....... "M.A.S.H.", "Biloxi Blues" and "Kelly's Heroes"

Sub movies...... "Das Boot", "Hunt For Red October", "Run Silent, Run Deep"

Abbey Marie
09-04-2007, 08:36 PM
1. Braveheart

2. Platoon

3. The Thin Red Line

4. The Patriot

I would never consider Top Gun in a list of good war movies. I always thought that outside of the flight scenes, it was kind of a joke.