Islamic State on Caliphate Fall: ‘What Is Our Crime?

[jimnyc]

What is their crime? LOL How about cutting heads off endlessly, burning people alive, shooting people in the head - and all put out in propaganda films.

And also Sharia, should be a crime too, and fully outlawed everywhere.

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Islamic State on Caliphate Fall: ‘What Is Our Crime? We Just Wanted to Apply Sharia’

The Islamic State (ISIS/ISIL), even as its so-called caliphate continues to crumble, disseminated a new propaganda film this week urging the jihadi remnants in the group’s last sliver of land in Syria not to worry about their possible demise because they will end up in “paradise” while their enemies will go to “hell.”

“Tomorrow, God willing, we will be in paradise and they will be burning in hell,” an ISIS militant identified as Abu Abd al-Azeem in the video said, Reuters reported Wednesday as the fighting continued.

Al-Azeem later argued that all ISIS wanted to do is apply God’s law in the form of sharia, a strict set of Islamic rules accused of undermining women’s rights.

On Friday, U.S. envoy James Jeffrey revealed that ISIS has been downgraded to its last few hundred fighters and to less than 0.1 square miles of the land in the battle for its final Syrian bastion. Jeffrey conceded there may be between 15,000-20,000 ISIS fighters in all of Syria and Iraq.

In the video, the jihadi group also urges its followers in ISIS’s ever-shrinking pocket of land in the Syrian village of Baghouz to “keep reciting your prayers and ask for forgiveness.”

“Repent and ask God for forgiveness, oh servants of God, for perhaps the Almighty will find a way out for us,” the video notes.

Although the video is dated March 9, it remains unclear when someone filmed it, Reuters acknowledges.

Rest - https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2019/03/15/islamic-state-caliphate-fall-crime-wanted-sharia/

[Noir]

Their crime is only a crime if you don’t think they have their God’s blessing to do what they are doing (which obvs any sane person can see is wrong).

If you think the woman down your street who has taken off her head covering will corrupt your son -who will then spend eternity in hell- where is the crime in protecting your family, and killing the woman?...or so those sorts of arguments go.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

What is their crime? LOL How about cutting heads off endlessly, burning people alive, shooting people in the head - and all put out in propaganda films.

And also Sharia, should be a crime too, and fully outlawed everywhere.

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Islamic State on Caliphate Fall: ‘What Is Our Crime? We Just Wanted to Apply Sharia’

The Islamic State (ISIS/ISIL), even as its so-called caliphate continues to crumble, disseminated a new propaganda film this week urging the jihadi remnants in the group’s last sliver of land in Syria not to worry about their possible demise because they will end up in “paradise” while their enemies will go to “hell.”

“Tomorrow, God willing, we will be in paradise and they will be burning in hell,” an ISIS militant identified as Abu Abd al-Azeem in the video said, Reuters reported Wednesday as the fighting continued.

Al-Azeem later argued that all ISIS wanted to do is apply God’s law in the form of sharia, a strict set of Islamic rules accused of undermining women’s rights.

On Friday, U.S. envoy James Jeffrey revealed that ISIS has been downgraded to its last few hundred fighters and to less than 0.1 square miles of the land in the battle for its final Syrian bastion. Jeffrey conceded there may be between 15,000-20,000 ISIS fighters in all of Syria and Iraq.

In the video, the jihadi group also urges its followers in ISIS’s ever-shrinking pocket of land in the Syrian village of Baghouz to “keep reciting your prayers and ask for forgiveness.”

“Repent and ask God for forgiveness, oh servants of God, for perhaps the Almighty will find a way out for us,” the video notes.

Although the video is dated March 9, it remains unclear when someone filmed it, Reuters acknowledges.

Rest - https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2019/03/15/islamic-state-caliphate-fall-crime-wanted-sharia/

yea sure-- no crime. :cuckoo::puke3:

There is an estimated number of people that Islam has murdered in its long history of conquests, 1400+ years)
The low estimate is around 250 million, the higher estimate is a bit over 350 million innocent people.
History as was taught before the filthy liberals took over to lie and alter it) to further there damn poisonous agenda
shows the nations that Islam conquered and converted in ancient times. They put all to the sword that did not convert, or become their damn slaves!
They murdered far more innocent people than the combined number attributed to modern day mass murderers, Hitler, Stalin and Mao!!
And that was not ISIS, that was --ISLAM!
Truth, those filthy ffing maggots so very dearly hate it...
That is why they are commanded by their cult book-Koran, to lie..
"Taqiyya", is one of their favorite weapons...
Se link below.....-Tyr




https://www.france24.com/en/20130313-taqiya-france-islam-deception-favoured-terrorists-jihad

/France
Taqiyya, or the terrorist ‘art of deception'

Date created : 13/03/2013 - 14:56
Latest update : 14/03/2013 - 09:17
Text by:
Anne-Diandra LOUARN
A year after the Toulouse attacks by Mohamed Merah (pictured), French counterterrorism experts are monitoring the practice of "taqiyya" - or deceiving society by concealing one’s faith – and its uses in jihadist circles.

Nearly a year ago, as one of France’s longest-ever police sieges was about to end on the morning of March 22, 2012, Mohamed Merah – also known as “the Toulouse gunman” – uttered a cry that seemed enigmatic to the uninformed, but was weighted with meaning for counterterrorism experts.

“It’s not the money, it’s the deception that’s critical,” said the 23-year-old French-Algerian shortly before he jumped off his Toulouse apartment window and was gunned down by an elite French anti-terror unit.

The somewhat cryptic cry was a likely reference to “taqiyya” – a form of religious dissimulation or legal dispensation in which believers deny their faith or even commit blasphemous acts as a deception if they are seriously threatened or at risk of persecution.

[jimnyc]

Their crime is only a crime if you don’t think they have their God’s blessing to do what they are doing (which obvs any sane person can see is wrong).

If you think the woman down your street who has taken off her head covering will corrupt your son -who will then spend eternity in hell- where is the crime in protecting your family, and killing the woman?...or so those sorts of arguments go.

Even their supposed holiest of books don't allow for cutting off heads and murdering people - does it? Many muslim religious leaders will support them, killing infidels and all the horrible things we see. A ton comes from sharia and old customs. How they can not see wrong is insane. I agree with you here.

I wouldn't/couldn't kill the woman down the road in your scenario as I know it's unlawful and I know the consequences.. It is a crime of course. But we don't always see the same from muslims in other countries. Even killing your own family member to prevent corruption or a bad name to the family is acceptable.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Their crime is only a crime if you don’t think they have their God’s blessing to do what they are doing (which obvs any sane person can see is wrong).

If you think the woman down your street who has taken off her head covering will corrupt your son -who will then spend eternity in hell- where is the crime in protecting your family, and killing the woman?...or so those sorts of arguments go.

Yet you have in the past always attempted to downplay our firm stance that condemns the savagery of Islam.
So do not try to cast out a small little aside "(which obvs any sane person can see is wrong)" attempting to present yourself as standing up against them.
As a liberal, you stand with the majority of liberals that are their firm and faithful allies..
Don't try to piss on my leg and tell me it is raining , hoss..--Tyr



https://www.france24.com/en/20130313-taqiya-france-islam-deception-favoured-terrorists-jihad

Text by:
Anne-Diandra LOUARN
A year after the Toulouse attacks by Mohamed Merah (pictured), French counterterrorism experts are monitoring the practice of "taqiyya" - or deceiving society by concealing one’s faith – and its uses in jihadist circles.

Nearly a year ago, as one of France’s longest-ever police sieges was about to end on the morning of March 22, 2012, Mohamed Merah – also known as “the Toulouse gunman” – uttered a cry that seemed enigmatic to the uninformed, but was weighted with meaning for counterterrorism experts.

“It’s not the money, it’s the deception that’s critical,” said the 23-year-old French-Algerian shortly before he jumped off his Toulouse apartment window and was gunned down by an elite French anti-terror unit.

The somewhat cryptic cry was a likely reference to “taqiyya” – a form of religious dissimulation or legal dispensation in which believers deny their faith or even commit blasphemous acts as a deception if they are seriously threatened or at risk of persecution.

"Concealment is a technique as old as the world," explained French anti-terrorism judge Marc Trévidic in an interview with FRANCE 24. “It’s also an essential component of any war strategy, regardless of the people involved.”

In Islam, taqiyya dates back to the time when Shiite Muslims were hounded and persecuted by the Sunni caliphs following the 7th century schism between the followers of the Prophet’s son-in-law, Ali, and the Sunni caliphate.

For the traditionally persecuted Shiite minority, deception – or taqiyya – was considered a matter of survival. Although the term does not exist in Sunni jurisprudence, there have been rare cases of Sunnis practicing taqiyya in extraordinary circumstances.

But it was not until the term was recovered by Sunni jihadists trained in the Afghan terror camps that it began to get the attention of counterterrorism experts as trained and radicalised young men began practising taqiyya as a means of integrating and disguising themselves in Western societies.

“Taqiyya, as it’s understood today, is actually a radicalised version of concealment, in the sense that some religious extremists have found 'dalils' (or 'evidence') in the Koran that would justify their actions,” said Trévidic.

From Afghanistan to Europe and Canada

In France, intelligence agencies have been aware of the radicalised adoption of taqiyya since the mid-1990s, when al Qaeda began to advocate this technique among recruits plotting attacks on Western targets. The message was also targeted at French citizens of North African origins.

“These people who took the path of taqiyya were called ‘sleepers’. This is when we began to discover that after their passage through the jihadist training camps in Afghanistan, the recruits were sent home and directed to make a show of their ordinary, integrated lives - sometimes even masquerading as unbelievers,” said Trévidic.

One of the best-known jihadist sleepers was the "Hamburg cell", the infamous group of radicalized students in that German city who went on to execute the September 11, 2001, attacks – including 9/11 leader Mohamed Atta.

Another example of a terrorist in disguise was Fateh Kamel, a handsome Algerian-Canadian who was sentenced to eight years in jail by a French court in 1999 for supporting a terrorist plot against targets in Paris.

Assessing the danger of Islamists

But while Merah’s behaviour may have been deceptive in keeping with taqiyya norms, his activities were well known to the French secret services, according to Trévidic.

According to the anti-terror judge, the challenge for French authorities is not so much to identify the followers of taqiyya, but to assess their threat levels. "That is the whole problem of the DCRI [Direction centrale du renseignement intérieur – or the French domestic intelligence agency] in the Merah case," noted Trévidic.

If Merah’s suspicious trips to places like Pakistan were being monitored and French intelligence agents were aware that he belonged to a small Toulouse-based Salafist group, they failed to di........

[Noir]

Even their supposed holiest of books don't allow for cutting off heads and murdering people - does it? Many muslim religious leaders will support them, killing infidels and all the horrible things we see. A ton comes from sharia and old customs. How they can not see wrong is insane. I agree with you here.

I wouldn't/couldn't kill the woman down the road in your scenario as I know it's unlawful and I know the consequences.. It is a crime of course. But we don't always see the same from muslims in other countries. Even killing your own family member to prevent corruption or a bad name to the family is acceptable.

Throughout all of their holy books, most especially the Old Testament and Quran - murder, and death is plentiful, and it doesn’t take much to ‘interpret’ that more killing is in gods (and the readers) interest.

Not killing someone when you believed it was the will of god that is should makes you a bad believer.

[Noir]

Yet you have in the past always attempted to downplay our firm stance that condemns the savagery of Islam.
So do not try to cast out a small little aside "(which obvs any sane person can see is wrong)" attempting to present yourself as standing up against them.
As a liberal, you stand with the majority of liberals that are their firm and faithful allies..
Don't try to piss on my leg and tell me it is raining , hoss..--Tyr

You are more than welcome to quote whatever text you’ve read of mine that downplays condemning the savagery of Islam.

[jimnyc]

Throughout all of their holy books, most especially the Old Testament and Quran - murder, and death is plentiful, and it doesn’t take much to ‘interpret’ that more killing is in gods (and the readers) interest.

Not killing someone when you believed it was the will of god that is should makes you a bad believer.

And is that what ALL muslims will tell us?

Most muslims will tell us that we are reading things wrong. That if someone kills or anything even like that, that "they aren't real muslims" and such. But the endless things posted here over the years don't leave much for interpretation, IMO. And then the reality of today, which is what matters the most, and the death brought forth, and the endless times that Islam is used for them and others to defend or support them.

As for the old testament. Not to say that there aren't unsavory things in the bible, but luckily for all of us, it's not a widespread problem throughout multiple countries leading to much terrorism and death in it's wake. And the amount 'radicalized' via Islam is incomparable.

Regardless, this is about ISIS, and them somehow not realizing the crimes they have committed? Or they don't care? But to ask what their crimes are is sad and laughable, and to use Sharia is funnier, as that leads to harm as well.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

You are more than welcome to quote whatever text you’ve read of mine that downplays condemning the savagery of Islam.
ok, I will. And I did not have to look very far to grab this one.Your words .....

" Throughout all of their holy books, most especially the Old Testament and Quran - murder, and death is plentiful, and it doesn’t take much to ‘interpret’ that more killing is in gods (and the readers) interest."

Here you attempt to justify in a backhanded, you think clever way what they(the Islamists) did and now do, as it being nt more than did the ancient Hebrews of the Old Testament!
This I've seen countless times by their faithful liberal allies/ apologists.
This is the modern world hoss..
Nobody disputes that others have murdered, etc..
So your comment has no true weight other than the clever way you tried to compare these filthy animals to other religions , or religious peoples(ancient ones )..
What value do you think you got by making that point, other than the old comparison adage, "others have done it too" -or "others have done it before"?
If you want to start a thread on the ancient Israelites -do so . but that has nothing to do with these modern day savages murdering around the world today ..-Tyr

[Gunny]

Here's a plan: if Syria/Russia, they Turks or whoever want to kill them all? Let them.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Their crime is only a crime if you don’t think they have their God’s blessing to do what they are doing...
Ummmm.... WHAT?

You've made some WEIRD statements here so far, but that one takes the cake. This is above and beyond just inane sophomoric psychoanalysis, that statement is absolutely IGNORANT.

According to your GENIUS in that statement, muslims SAWING PEOPLE'S HEADS OFF for instance, is ONLY A CRIME IF I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE THEIR GOD'S BLESSING? Sheeeeeezuz... you truly are one ODD little cockroach. You've got one twisted freakin' brain.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Ummmm.... WHAT?

You've made some WEIRD statements here so far, but that one takes the cake. This is above and beyond just inane sophomoric psychoanalysis, that statement is absolutely IGNORANT.

According to your GENIUS in that statement, muslims SAWING PEOPLE'S HEADS OFF for instance, it ONLY A CRIME IF I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE THEIR GOD'S BLESSING? Sheeeeeezuz... you truly are one ODD little cockroach. You've got one twisted freakin' brain.

First he misses the point, they do have their Allah's blessing-- to which those defending claim they are not following the Koran--
the damn point is that they are following the Koran and thus it paints the entire religion(cult) as nothing but murdering savages. !
That murder to advance their damn religion!
Which historic evidence clearly shows they have done from the start!
Noir is so damn twisted he doesnt know which way is up. That is how one gets when they try to defend that which simply can not be defended.
Islam is a military/political operation using a religious cover to control all.
They do not separate religion from government- see Sharia law.--Tyr

[Noir]

ok, I will. And I did not have to look very far to grab this one.Your words .....

" Throughout all of their holy books, most especially the Old Testament and Quran - murder, and death is plentiful, and it doesn’t take much to ‘interpret’ that more killing is in gods (and the readers) interest."

Here you attempt to justify in a backhanded, you think clever way what they(the Islamists) did and now do, as it being nt more than did the ancient Hebrews of the Old Testament!
This I've seen countless times by their faithful liberal allies/ apologists.
This is the modern world hoss..
Nobody disputes that others have murdered, etc..
So your comment has no true weight other than the clever way you tried to compare these filthy animals to other religions , or religious peoples(ancient ones )..
What value do you think you got by making that point, other than the old comparison adage, "others have done it too" -or "others have done it before"?
If you want to start a thread on the ancient Israelites -do so . but that has nothing to do with these modern day savages murdering around the world today ..-Tyr

Tucked away in the middle of this post is is a good old ‘nobody disputes what you’re saying, but you shouldn’t say it’ if thats the angle you wanna take on this then sure, but I don’t see the weight in that.

[Noir]

And is that what ALL muslims will tell us?

Most muslims will tell us that we are reading things wrong. That if someone kills or anything even like that, that "they aren't real muslims" and such. But the endless things posted here over the years don't leave much for interpretation, IMO. And then the reality of today, which is what matters the most, and the death brought forth, and the endless times that Islam is used for them and others to defend or support them.

Not all, but certainly most.
Most Muslims are sane, and try to discard many of the worst bits of the Quran, but the degrees of seperation between what an insane Muslim believes, and a sane Muslim believes, are much have much less deviation from their texts than the other major religions.


As for the old testament. Not to say that there aren't unsavory things in the bible, but luckily for all of us, it's not a widespread problem throughout multiple countries leading to much terrorism and death in it's wake. And the amount 'radicalized' via Islam is incomparable.

Regardless, this is about ISIS, and them somehow not realizing the crimes they have committed? Or they don't care? But to ask what their crimes are is sad and laughable, and to use Sharia is funnier, as that leads to harm as well.

As I said earlier I think it’s understandable (mad that it is) to think that doing a gods will is not a crime, again if you’re certain (as these people would have to be) that what you’re doing is what the all powerful creator of the universe etc wants you to do, how can that be a crime.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Tucked away in the middle of this post is is a good old ‘nobody disputes what you’re saying, but you shouldn’t say it’ if thats the angle you wanna take on this then sure, but I don’t see the weight in that.
I have come to the conclusion that you are just GUTLESS, incapable of debating me. Evidently you can't. What a pathetic little boy. Your posts are usually moronic tripe anyway so, I'm putting you on ignore.

[Drummond]

Their crime is only a crime if you don’t think they have their God’s blessing to do what they are doing (which obvs any sane person can see is wrong).

What I'd say to this has already been expressed better by others contributing to this thread.

Noir, I can only wonder what Left-wingers like you WOULD excuse, if you could. If even the most savage, barbaric murderers imaginable can be excused in any way at all .... well .... it beggars belief.

You have to understand, Noir, that there are some scum in this world who cannot be excused for what they are, and whatever they do - they MUST be rejected by decent people !! If you really doubt that, then I'd have to wonder if you have any understanding of what it is that should shape a decent and humane social order.

Even if you personally shun all religion as part of your own belief-system ... you surely, even so, maintain some sense of right v wrong. YES ? Consequently, if so, to even suggest any questioning makes no sense.

[Drummond]

Throughout all of their holy books, most especially the Old Testament and Quran - murder, and death is plentiful, and it doesn’t take much to ‘interpret’ that more killing is in gods (and the readers) interest.

Not killing someone when you believed it was the will of god that is should makes you a bad believer.

Noir, I'm actually wondering if you're arguing for the sake of it. For notoriety. Perhaps to 'stir things' ?

Then again: are you motivated just to attack religion, is that it ? If so, do you understand the extent of perversity your argumentation is achieving ?

It should be obvious from my musings that your mindset is probably completely beyond my comprehension .. to which I could only say .. 'THANK GOD !' ....

[Elessar]

Their crime is only a crime if you don’t think they have their God’s blessing to do what they are doing (which obvs any sane person can see is wrong).

If you think the woman down your street who has taken off her head covering will corrupt your son -who will then spend eternity in hell- where is the crime in protecting your family, and killing the woman?...or so those sorts of arguments go.


Throughout all of their holy books, most especially the Old Testament and Quran - murder, and death is plentiful, and it doesn’t take much to ‘interpret’ that more killing is in gods (and the readers) interest.

Not killing someone when you believed it was the will of god that is should makes you a bad believer.


Tucked away in the middle of this post is is a good old ‘nobody disputes what you’re saying, but you shouldn’t say it’ if thats the angle you wanna take on this then sure, but I don’t see the weight in that.


Not all, but certainly most.
Most Muslims are sane, and try to discard many of the worst bits of the Quran, but the degrees of seperation between what an insane Muslim believes, and a sane Muslim believes, are much have much less deviation from their texts than the other major religions.
As I said earlier I think it’s understandable (mad that it is) to think that doing a gods will is not a crime, again if you’re certain (as these people would have to be) that what you’re doing is what the all powerful creator of the universe etc wants you to do, how can that be a crime.

You are fully ignorant of the reality of the world we live in right now.

You defend and condone Muslim attempts of world domination because your liberal coward
attitude tells you to roll over and submit.

[Noir]

What I'd say to this has already been expressed better by others contributing to this thread.

Noir, I can only wonder what Left-wingers like you WOULD excuse, if you could. If even the most savage, barbaric murderers imaginable can be excused in any way at all .... well .... it beggars belief.

You have to understand, Noir, that there are some scum in this world who cannot be excused for what they are, and whatever they do - they MUST be rejected by decent people !! If you really doubt that, then I'd have to wonder if you have any understanding of what it is that should shape a decent and humane social order.

Even if you personally shun all religion as part of your own belief-system ... you surely, even so, maintain some sense of right v wrong. YES ? Consequently, if so, to even suggest any questioning makes no sense.

At no point in this thread did I excuse these people or their actions, I merely tried to engage with the OP in how they would view no crime having taken place, when their obviously has been, but that kind of discussion is clearly impossible here.

[Elessar]

At no point in this thread did I excuse these people or their actions, I merely tried to engage with the OP in how they would view no crime having taken place, when their obviously has been, but that kind of discussion is clearly impossible here.

Then why don't you be more clear rather than trying to reply as some sainted intellectual and allowing yourself to fall on your face?

[Noir]

Then why don't you be more clear rather than trying to reply as some sainted intellectual and allowing yourself to fall on your face?

Duly noted, in future I’ll try and be extra clear for you so you can follow.

[jimnyc]

Of course, Islam, and the supposed 25-40% of them that are radicalized - they read the quran and hadiths as if it's muhammed right in front of them telling them that it's the only way.

And then their book reads like a terror manual.