Believe It Or Not... I'm Thinking Of RUNNING FOR OFFICE...

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I mean, if an absolute IDIOT like AOC can get elected, then sheeeezuz, so can I. I think America is getting FED UP with the IDIOTS being elected, and I don't think the majority like it, and they're NOT VOTING because they don't have anyone SAYING what they WANT TO HEAR. Some might consider me extreme, but when it comes right down to it, I'M JUST A PATRIOT, a NATIONALIST, someone who loves America and wants our LAWS ENFORCED and our NATIONAL IDENTITY PRESERVED. That's not a foreign or whacked out concept, but I don't hear ANYONE purporting it. I have some money, and maybe I could pick up some heavy hitter donors, who knows. But I'm about ready to light this shit on fire. Tired of sitting idly by watching America go down the tubes and figure it might be time to put up or shut up and get in the fight. America NEEDS normal patriotic Americans to STEP UP, or we're going to lose our country.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I have a good life, I don't need to do this, but I'm up for one more good adventure before I put myself out to pasture. This might be worth the effort, however virtually impossible it may seem. If muslim refugees and bartenders can get elected, then so can I. I either have to shut down listening to the news, which just disgusts me more every day, or get in the fight and at least try. I've never been one to follow. When I was in kindergarten, they used to give us all a little half pint of milk to drink and a mat to lay on and we were supposed to take a nap. Well, that never sat well with me, and one day I waited until the teacher had left the room and I walked over to a window that led out onto the roof of the wing next to our room, opened the window and led half the class out on the roof to explore. It was great fun I thought, and half the kids followed me and the other half were scared. But, never one to be a follower, I led people, not afraid, even as a child, and I'm the same today. Got in big trouble but, I didn't care, it was worth it. I don't follow the crowd, never did. I forge my own way, my way, and if there's enough people that agreed with my version of what I believe in as an American patriot, then I'd get elected if I had enough money to get that message out. MONEY is the key. I have no idea how this will shake out, or if I'll even do it, but it's definitely a consideration, not a joke. Why not? We NEED more good patriots to run for office. The left is MOBILIZED and ORGANIZED, and that's why we see MORON bartenders and RADICAL POS MUSLIM SOMALIAN REFUGEES getting elected. Are we to just sit back and watch and bitch about it, or DO SOMETHING?

https://www.senate.gov/reference/reference_index_subjects/Senators_vrd.htm

[LongTermGuy]

Open border`s allows the wrong people to be elected.....




**Most will understand what Im talking about...

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Some villages elect their idiots.

AOC reminds me of Wimp Lo from the movie Kung Pow.......

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[High_Plains_Drifter]

I'm GOING to look into it, no doubt. I'll try and get an idea what is really all involved. When I get an idea like this in my head, it stays there until I'm convinced it's impossible, and even then, I've gone up against impossible odds before.

I'm sick of seeing these IDIOTS get elected, and go in front of audiences and get APPLAUSE for the most OUTRAGEOUSLY IGNORANT comments. If THEY can get elected, then SO... CAN... I. It all depends on my district and how much support I could gather. But I'm a Trump kind of person. I'll say EXACTLY what is on my mind. I'm sure I'll attract some ardent supporters, and I'm sure I'd enrage some others, but, that's the way it goes, oh well. I know where I stand and I'm not afraid of a good fight.

Gotta do something or just take up gardening and never care about politics and the nation again. Just lay down and be a pawn.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I mean... LISTEN to this IGNORANT little GAS BAG... sheeeeezuz... and people CLAP... just mind boggling... and SHE got ELECTED...

https://twitter.com/Florida_Sun_/status/1105298486008909825

Do you KNOW what kind of a FIELD DAY the DEMOCRAT PROPAGANDA WING would be having if this MORON was a REPUBLICAN?

Where the hell is pete311? I want him to come back on and TELL US ALL SHE IS A GENIUS, and she has his FULL SUPPORT because... SHE'S A DEMOCRAT.

[LongTermGuy]

Liberals / Socialists...infestation of Jihad muslims in American congress....


But....This right here is what makes America great...The AMERICAN people will overcome...They see whats going on............


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Meanwhile....an upset Leftist CacaRoach

`Indicted on 16 FELONY COUNTS by a grand jury!`
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[High_Plains_Drifter]

I think I better make you my CAMPAIGN MANAGER, LTG... you're HIRED... :laugh:

[STTAB]

I would never survive in DC, I don't have a crooked bone in my body.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I would never survive in DC, I don't have a crooked bone in my body.
I'm not so sure it's such a good idea for me either. I'm thinking with me being the way I am, I'd probably crash 'n burn. I'd probably cause as big a stir for the republican party as AOC has the democrats, just in the opposite direction. Not sure the republican party is ready for someone as hard right as I am. But... ya never know. I'm positive I could find support, and I'm positive I'd make some rabid enemies. Not sure if that's what I need in life right now, right when I've got it made.

[pete311]

I mean... LISTEN to this IGNORANT little GAS BAG... sheeeeezuz... and people CLAP... just mind boggling... and SHE got ELECTED...

https://twitter.com/Florida_Sun_/status/1105298486008909825

Do you KNOW what kind of a FIELD DAY the DEMOCRAT PROPAGANDA WING would be having if this MORON was a REPUBLICAN?

Where the hell is @pete311 (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=1821)? I want him to come back on and TELL US ALL SHE IS A GENIUS, and she has his FULL SUPPORT because... SHE'S A DEMOCRAT.

I'm not an AOC fan, but I do think Reagan's war on drugs was racist.

[jimnyc]

I'm not an AOC fan, but I do think Reagan's war on drugs was racist.

Please clarify if you might.

And not that it turned out to hurt black folks more than others - but how it was designed to be racist, and therefore Reagan by extension racist - which is what all the pundits are stating.

[STTAB]

I'm not an AOC fan, but I do think Reagan's war on drugs was racist.

Because you have no idea what you are talking about. I worked for many years with a joint drug task force and can tell you that we busted a LOT of white people for drug related crimes.

The ENTIRE premise of "the war on drugs was and is racist" is built on the tired trope that white people and black people haven't been sentenced equally for equal crimes, and its just as phony a every other argument the left makes.

The ACLU, and others, are dishonest when they gin up stats, and dummies like you buy right into it. If a white person has been arrested once in his entire life and it was for marijuana possession and a black guy has been arrested for non drug crimes 14 time in the past and then gets popped for marijuana andthe black guy then gets a harsher sentence for the marijuana then the white guy it is totaly dishonest to then say "see that proves racism" no it proves that black people are more likely to have arrest records than whites and thus less likely to get lighter sentences.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I'm not an AOC fan, but I do think Reagan's war on drugs was racist.
So... if 80% of the people selling drugs are NOT white, what does that tell you, pete311?

[pete311]

Because you have no idea what you are talking about. I worked for many years with a joint drug task force and can tell you that we busted a LOT of white people for drug related crimes.

The ENTIRE premise of "the war on drugs was and is racist" is built on the tired trope that white people and black people haven't been sentenced equally for equal crimes, and its just as phony a every other argument the left makes.

The ACLU, and others, are dishonest when they gin up stats, and dummies like you buy right into it. If a white person has been arrested once in his entire life and it was for marijuana possession and a black guy has been arrested for non drug crimes 14 time in the past and then gets popped for marijuana andthe black guy then gets a harsher sentence for the marijuana then the white guy it is totaly dishonest to then say "see that proves racism" no it proves that black people are more likely to have arrest records than whites and thus less likely to get lighter sentences.

Gin up stats? Like those directly from US gov agencies? huh?

The federal government released a new batch of data Monday about drug prosecutions in 2016, and the statistics show that African-Americans and Hispanics are still prosecuted far more frequently than white people for nearly every type of drug crime.
https://news.vice.com/en_ca/article/7xwybd/the-war-on-drugs-remains-as-racist-as-ever-statistics-show

The black share of people arrested for drug offenses has ranged from 23 percent (in 1980) to 41 percent (in 1991). Blacks remain far more likely than whites to be arrested for selling drugs (3.6 times more likely) or possessing drugs (2.5 times more likely).
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/social-mobility-memos/2014/09/30/how-the-war-on-drugs-damages-black-social-mobility/

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Gin up stats? Like those directly from US gov agencies? huh?

The federal government released a new batch of data Monday about drug prosecutions in 2016, and the statistics show that African-Americans and Hispanics are still prosecuted far more frequently than white people for nearly every type of drug crime.
https://news.vice.com/en_ca/article/7xwybd/the-war-on-drugs-remains-as-racist-as-ever-statistics-show

The black share of people arrested for drug offenses has ranged from 23 percent (in 1980) to 41 percent (in 1991). Blacks remain far more likely than whites to be arrested for selling drugs (3.6 times more likely) or possessing drugs (2.5 times more likely).
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/social-mobility-memos/2014/09/30/how-the-war-on-drugs-damages-black-social-mobility/
Well... PETE... of COURSE they are... because THEY'RE THE ONES COMMITTING THE CRIMES.

What part about that don't you GET?

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Gin up stats? Like those directly from US gov agencies? huh?

The federal government released a new batch of data Monday about drug prosecutions in 2016, and the statistics show that African-Americans and Hispanics are still prosecuted far more frequently than white people for nearly every type of drug crime.
https://news.vice.com/en_ca/article/7xwybd/the-war-on-drugs-remains-as-racist-as-ever-statistics-show

The black share of people arrested for drug offenses has ranged from 23 percent (in 1980) to 41 percent (in 1991). Blacks remain far more likely than whites to be arrested for selling drugs (3.6 times more likely) or possessing drugs (2.5 times more likely).
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/social-mobility-memos/2014/09/30/how-the-war-on-drugs-damages-black-social-mobility/
And do NOT try and convince us that if 20 whites and 20 blacks and 20 hispanics were all caught dealing drugs, that ONLY 2 whites would be arrested while ALL the blacks and hispanics would be arrested. That's just BULL SHIT, and we all know it.

[pete311]

And do NOT try and convince us that if 20 whites and 20 blacks and 20 hispanics were all caught dealing drugs, that ONLY 2 whites would be arrested while ALL the blacks and hispanics would be arrested. That's just BULL SHIT, and we all know it.

So how do you explain the statistics from the gov agencies?

[High_Plains_Drifter]

So how do you explain the statistics from the gov agencies?
Pete... c'mon man... you're NOT that STUPID... for crying out loud, it's because the BLACKS and HISPANICS are COMMITTING THE CRIMES. For Christ sake, how many times does that have to be repeated before it SINKS IN?

And ya know what... I think you KNOW that, but you LOVE to play STUPID... why? What's the point in playing as if you DON'T KNOW? Hmmm?

[pete311]

Pete... c'mon man... you're NOT that STUPID... for crying out loud, it's because the BLACKS and HISPANICS are COMMITTING THE CRIMES. For Christ sake, how many times does that have to be repeated before it SINKS IN?

And ya know what... I think you KNOW that, but you LOVE to play STUPID... why? What's the point in playing as if you DON'T KNOW? Hmmm?

Obviously you don't understand the concept of probability.

"Blacks remain far more likely than whites to be arrested for selling drugs (3.6 times more likely) or possessing drugs (2.5 times more likely)."

Do you understand that statement? It has nothing to do with amount of crimes.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Obviously you don't understand the concept of probability.

"Blacks remain far more likely than whites to be arrested for selling drugs (3.6 times more likely) or possessing drugs (2.5 times more likely)."

Do you understand that statement? It has nothing to do with amount of crimes.
OK... your indoctrination can't be broken though, can it?

Blacks are far more likely than white to be arrested for selling drugs... because they sell drugs far more often than whites.

If you have some kind of MENTAL BLOCK against that fact, than you're just lost to the brain washing.

This is what the DEMOCRAT PROPAGANDA WING likes to do, they like to IGNORE the fact that blacks ONLY make up about 13% of our population, they say, WHITES DO MORE DRUGS AND SELL MORE DRUGS THAN BLACKS. What they CONVENIENTLY ignore, and what you are CONVENIENTLY ignoring, is the PROPORTION in this equation. SURELY, the number of arrests for whites selling drugs will be HIGHER than blacks, simply because they OUTNUMBER blacks by such a great margin. But when you AVERAGE IT OUT, BLACKS FAR OUTNUMBER whites as far as criminal offenses for DRUG DEALING or even DOING DRUGS.

Now, I don't know how many times over the years I've had to point that out to you leftists, as if you DIDN'T KNOW, but I KNOW you DO KNOW, but you LOVE to play like you DON'T, and I think you all get some kind of sick little THRILL out of watching the dumb conservative have to go through the motions and EXPLAIN it ONE MORE TIME.

[pete311]

OK... your indoctrination can't be broken though, can it?

Blacks are far more likely than white to be arrested for selling drugs... because they sell drugs far more often than whites.



No, that is not what "times more likely" means. Furthermore your added statement is also false.
http://www.hamiltonproject.org/charts/rates_of_drug_use_and_sales_by_race_rates_of_drug_ related_criminal_justice

[High_Plains_Drifter]

No, that is not what "times more likely" means. Furthermore your added statement is also false.
http://www.hamiltonproject.org/charts/rates_of_drug_use_and_sales_by_race_rates_of_drug_ related_criminal_justice

Sorry bud, but ANYONE can throw together a graph, and this one, like the one you recently got banned for 24 hours for posting with no link, this has no link to any empirical truthful data either, not to mention, this opening line says it all, it's a leftist hack site... who the HELL is the fucking HAMILTON PROJECT? Give me a break....

"The disparate criminal justice experience of black Americans has played an important role in reform discussions."

The fact of the matter is, there's far more BLACK and HISPANIC CRIMINALS than there are WHITE, even given the disproportionate numbers of less blacks and hispanics than whiltes. They're far more prone to VIOLENCE and EVERYTHING ELSE you want to mention, and you know it.

You just need to quit kidding yourself, and quit trying to convince people that blacks aren't FAR more VIOLENT and prone to commit CRIME than any other race, so yes, they're GOING TO BE ARRESTED MORE. It's a known FACT, even though if you use GOOGLE to try to find those stats, you'll look forever and probably never find what you're looking for, since google is a far left democrat propaganda wing charter member, they bury it as far back as they possibly can, or just deleted it from a search all together. That's why I rarely use google to search ANYTHING. There's other CONSERVATIVE search engines popping up that WILL give you the STRAIGHT ANSWERS, however UNCOMFORTABLE they are to the LEFT.

But you're beating another dead horse, Pete. You're trying to defend the indefensible, the obvious, blacks are more violent and far more prone to commit a crime in American than any other race. You tell me why, and then I'll tell you the truth why.

====================

Do black Americans commit more crime?

Blacks were disproportionately likely to commit homicide and to be the victims. In 2008 the offending rate for blacks was seven times higher than for whites and the victimisation rate was six times higher.

As we found yesterday, 93 per cent of black victims were killed by blacks and 84 per cent of white victims were killed by whites.

Alternative statistics from the FBI are more up to date but include many crimes where the killer’s race is not recorded. These numbers tell a similar story.

In 2013, the FBI has black criminals carrying out 38 per cent of murders, compared to 31.1 per cent for whites. The offender’s race was “unknown” in 29.1 per cent of cases.

What about violent crime more generally? FBI arrest rates are one way into this. Over the last three years of data – 2011 to 2013 – 38.5 per cent of people arrested for murder, manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault were black.

But academics have noted that the proportion of black suspects arrested by the police tends to match closely the proportion of offenders identified as black by victims in the National Crime Victimization Survey.

This doesn’t support the idea that the police are unfairly discriminating against the black population when they make arrests.

The verdict
There is evidence in the official police-recorded figures that black Americans are more likely to commit certain types of crime than people of other races.

While it would be naïve to suggest that there is no racism in the US criminal justice system, victim reports don’t support the idea that this is because of mass discrimination.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime

[Abbey Marie]

No, that is not what "times more likely" means. Furthermore your added statement is also false.
http://www.hamiltonproject.org/charts/rates_of_drug_use_and_sales_by_race_rates_of_drug_ related_criminal_justice

I’m going to go ahead and postulate that is because police need to patrol black neighborhoods more often and more intensively due to their super-high commissions of crime. It’s a literally vicious circle.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Sorry bud, but ANYONE can throw together a graph, and this one, like the one you recently got banned for 24 hours for posting with no link, this has no link to any empirical truthful data either, not to mention, this opening line says it all, it's a leftist hack site... who the HELL is the fucking HAMILTON PROJECT? Give me a break....

"The disparate criminal justice experience of black Americans has played an important role in reform discussions."

The fact of the matter is, there's far more BLACK and HISPANIC CRIMINALS than there are WHITE, even given the disproportionate numbers of less blacks and hispanics than whiltes. They're far more prone to VIOLENCE and EVERYTHING ELSE you want to mention, and you know it.

You just need to quit kidding yourself, and quit trying to convince people that blacks aren't FAR more VIOLENT and prone to commit CRIME than any other race, so yes, they're GOING TO BE ARRESTED MORE. It's a known FACT, even though if you use GOOGLE to try to find those stats, you'll look forever and probably never find what you're looking for, since google is a far left democrat propaganda wing charter member, they bury it as far back as they possibly can, or just deleted it from a search all together. That's why I rarely use google to search ANYTHING. There's other CONSERVATIVE search engines popping up that WILL give you the STRAIGHT ANSWERS, however UNCOMFORTABLE they are to the LEFT.

But you're beating another dead horse, Pete. You're trying to defend the indefensible, the obvious, blacks are more violent and far more prone to commit a crime in American than any other race. You tell me why, and then I'll tell you the truth why.

====================

Do black Americans commit more crime?

Blacks were disproportionately likely to commit homicide and to be the victims. In 2008 the offending rate for blacks was seven times higher than for whites and the victimisation rate was six times higher.

As we found yesterday, 93 per cent of black victims were killed by blacks and 84 per cent of white victims were killed by whites.

Alternative statistics from the FBI are more up to date but include many crimes where the killer’s race is not recorded. These numbers tell a similar story.

In 2013, the FBI has black criminals carrying out 38 per cent of murders, compared to 31.1 per cent for whites. The offender’s race was “unknown” in 29.1 per cent of cases.

What about violent crime more generally? FBI arrest rates are one way into this. Over the last three years of data – 2011 to 2013 – 38.5 per cent of people arrested for murder, manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault were black.

But academics have noted that the proportion of black suspects arrested by the police tends to match closely the proportion of offenders identified as black by victims in the National Crime Victimization Survey.

This doesn’t support the idea that the police are unfairly discriminating against the black population when they make arrests.

The verdict
There is evidence in the official police-recorded figures that black Americans are more likely to commit certain types of crime than people of other races.

While it would be naïve to suggest that there is no racism in the US criminal justice system, victim reports don’t support the idea that this is because of mass discrimination.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime

Petey the typical liberal minded follower deliberately ignores the fact, the truth , the reality that blacks engage in more criminal activities than do whites and are far more prone to using violence!
Such glaring and truly hypocritical blindness comes in handy when one wants to vilifying whites and promote the modern day slaves of the liberal/socialist dem party.
People like Pete have no honor and think that clever lying is just fine to gain anything they want and they want dictatorial power!
If they ever get it in the massive way that they want it, this nation is doomed..
To gain that power they want illegals allowed in by the millions to vote for them.
Such is actually treason by any damn standard of what treason is- yet such open treason is heralded and promoted by powerful groups in this nation -in our totally corrupted and heavily infiltrated federal government.
Either Pete is blind or is a true believer of dem/liberal insanity as enlightenment.
Either way Pete is a tool, and he and his kind are extremely dangerous to the peace, prosperity, freedoms and security of this nation, IMHO..-Tyr

[STTAB]

Gin up stats? Like those directly from US gov agencies? huh?

The federal government released a new batch of data Monday about drug prosecutions in 2016, and the statistics show that African-Americans and Hispanics are still prosecuted far more frequently than white people for nearly every type of drug crime.
https://news.vice.com/en_ca/article/7xwybd/the-war-on-drugs-remains-as-racist-as-ever-statistics-show

The black share of people arrested for drug offenses has ranged from 23 percent (in 1980) to 41 percent (in 1991). Blacks remain far more likely than whites to be arrested for selling drugs (3.6 times more likely) or possessing drugs (2.5 times more likely).
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/social-mobility-memos/2014/09/30/how-the-war-on-drugs-damages-black-social-mobility/


Yes, ginning up the stats to say something they don't say.


Black people are more likely to be arrested for drugs than white people because black people tend to live in more heavily policed areas. And the black people in those areas who are NOT criminals appreciate that level of policing.

And then when comparing the sentences of whites caught with drugs to the sentence of black people caught with drugs , you MUST take into account previous arrests. A white college grad with no criminal record is NOT going to get the same sentence for a drug violation as a black gang banger who has 5 previous felony arrests on his record, and it's unreasonable to expect that he would.

See stats don't mean shit without context.

[Abbey Marie]

Yes, ginning up the stats to say something they don't say.


Black people are more likely to be arrested for drugs than white people because black people tend to live in more heavily policed areas. And the black people in those areas who are NOT criminals appreciate that level of policing.

And then when comparing the sentences of whites caught with drugs to the sentence of black people caught with drugs , you MUST take into account previous arrests. A white college grad with no criminal record is NOT going to get the same sentence for a drug violation as a black gang banger who has 5 previous felony arrests on his record, and it's unreasonable to expect that he would.

See stats don't mean shit without context.

See Post #23

[STTAB]

I’m going to go ahead and postulate that is because police need to patrol black neighborhoods more often and more intensively due to their super-high commissions of crime. It’s a literally vicious circle.

When I was working with the northwest arkansas drug task force, we got sued because we were arresting more folks in one county than in any other county in our area. "They're targeting us" they cried. They were correct , the vast majority of drug crimes were in that county, so that county was where we concentrated our efforts. NO doubt that it is both true that people in other counties were getting away with crimes because we were concentrated in the bad county and no doubt that some people in the bad county were getting arrested for minor drug posessions that would not have been discovered had we not been focusing so heavily on that county, but law enforcement only has so many resources and so must focus on where they can do the most good. Sometimes that means they miss crimes in other areas.

ANY big city will for sure have a similar situation and so yes if the majority of the crime is in black areas you are likely to see more blacks arrested simply because thats where the cops are, and they aren't there for their health.

THAT is the lie of the statistic that even though blacks and whites use drugs at roughly the same rate , blacks are more likely to be arrested for drugs.

@pete , this really isnt that hard to figure out son. Let's look at it on a micro level. Let's say you have two kids. Now let's say one kid is a good kid, rarely in trouble , good grades , all that, but unkown to you he smokes pot.

Now, let's say you have another kid, and this kid is always in some sort of trouble . Bad grades, disrespectful, always fighting, Been caught shopfliting, whatever.......

Now , naturally as a parent you are going to start keeping an eye on the troubled kid more than the good kid, amirite ? Of course I'm right. Now, let's assume you caught the troubled kid smoking weed. What would your response be if your child screamed out "you just hate me, you're ____ist, because your "good" kid smokes weed too and you never caught them, you wanted to bust me for weed"

Your response would be one of ridicule, because the troubled kid brought their own problems on themselves and was under more scrutiny than the good child because of his/her OWN behavior, not because you were thinking " I like the other kid more, so I'm gonna bust this one, but not the other one"

And the truly ludicrous thing is, the other people in that county? They wanted us there, they wanted us focusing more on their county than the ones that didn't have a big drug problem. Same thing with blacks who aren't criminals but are stuck living in communities where there are lots of crimes, they WANT the police there. They aren't thinking "damn these cops sure hate niggers" they are thinking "damn these cops hate the criminals in this neighborhood as much as I do"

[pete311]

I’m going to go ahead and postulate that is because police need to patrol black neighborhoods more often and more intensively due to their super-high commissions of crime. It’s a literally vicious circle.

Again it's not about the total. Do you guys know what "more times likely" means?

[pete311]

Yes, ginning up the stats to say something they don't say.


Black people are more likely to be arrested for drugs than white people because black people tend to live in more heavily policed areas. And the black people in those areas who are NOT criminals appreciate that level of policing.

And then when comparing the sentences of whites caught with drugs to the sentence of black people caught with drugs , you MUST take into account previous arrests. A white college grad with no criminal record is NOT going to get the same sentence for a drug violation as a black gang banger who has 5 previous felony arrests on his record, and it's unreasonable to expect that he would.

See stats don't mean shit without context.

Somehow you give context but without any stats. hmmm

[STTAB]

Again it's not about the total. Do you guys know what "more times likely" means?


Pete , I have went to great lengths in this thread to explain this to you , yet you refuse to even acknowledge the points made. Why should anyone continue the conversation with you? Honest question.

[STTAB]

Somehow you give context but without any stats. hmmm

I concede that your stats are real. So why would I produce my own?

[pete311]

I concede that your stats are real. So why would I produce my own?

You make assumptions about the number of arrests these black persons have.

[STTAB]

You make assumptions about the number of arrests these black persons have.

I make no assumptions. Damn man, look at the stats, ,blacks are FAR more likely to have a criminal record than whites, and that's what cops do, they target known criminals.

This is EASILY proven by the fact that genteel black neighborhoods are not policed as heavy as high crime black neighborhoods, and in fact are policed the same way as genteel white neighborhoods.

[jimnyc]

Perhaps some folks are arrested at a much much higher rate than others - perhaps because they are committing these crimes? And you commit the crime, you do the time. And if someone is stating that the difference between these dates is because others DO commit as many crimes if not more, produce those numbers as well with proof that race is a factor and why others have been arrested less.

[STTAB]

Pete, I worked directly in this field for ten years, my wife is an ADA. Believe me when I tell you, on average known criminals are not given the same consideration as first time offenders, regardless of race.

Are there racist douche cops and prosecutors out there? You bet.

But in 2017 there were 8.1M arrests in this country. Of those 8.1M , 5.6M were white and 2.2M were black.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/topic-pages/tables/table-43

Now let's look at those numbers a few ways.

First let's look at what percentage of people arrested are black. Fully 27% of people arrested in 2017 were black. Blacks only make up 12% of the US population , yet make u 27% of all arrests? Whites , on the other hand make up 70% which is closer to what one expects since whites make up 67% of the overall population. Meaning , if blacks were arrested at a 1:1 ratio with whites one should expect to see around 15% of all arrests in the US to be of black people.

Second , let's look at it in terms of how likely a black person was to be arrested in 2017. So let's do the math 42.5M (roughly) blacks in the US , 2.2M black arrests . That means that 5% of blacks were arrested in 2017. 5% Pete, now that puts to bed the stupid argument that blacks are targeted by police because if that were true far more than 5% of blacks would have been arrested in any given year (and in fact that number is lower still because the 2.2M simply tallies ALL arrests, it doesn't take into account the same dumb nigger having been arrested 3 times in one year, which means that 1:20 blacks was arrested in 2017 but in truth the number isn't anywhere near that high.

Now, let's look at white people. Again , whites are near where you would expect to see . Meaning the percentage of people arrested should be near the percentage of the general population. For example, if blue eyed folks made up 30% of the US population, they should also make up 30% of those arrested, or pretty damn close. So of roughly 234.5M white people 5.6M were arrested in 2017 (and again that isn't entirely true because many of those arrests were multiple arrests of the same person , but the point stands ) So, doing the math we see that 2% of white Americans were arrested in 2017. Some small comparison shows that a black person was twice as likely to have been arrested as a white person in 2017. A little over two times in fact since 2 is obviously 2 is less than half of 5.

Pete Just by simply dong the actual math you have to concede a few points.

Number 1. In reality its a small percentage of black people committing the crimes higher than the percentage of white people but still very small.

Number 2. You would have to ascribe 50% of all the arrests of black people to RACISM to even out the arrests to the point where white people and black people were arrrested at the same rate. It is quite clear that 2.7M blacks weren't arrested in 2017 because of racism. I mean come on lol.

So, in conclusion we see that two things are true. 1. Those who believe a bunch of blacks are committing a lot of crimes are wrong. Whether they are racists or not is debatable, but they are for sure wrong. and 2. Those who believe blacks are targeted by police because racism and not because of crime are equally wrong, and possibly just stupid.

[Abbey Marie]

Again it's not about the total. Do you guys know what "more times likely" means?

Pete, not only do we understand it, we both gave you the reason why it happens. You need to understand that​.

[icansayit]

Gin up stats? Like those directly from US gov agencies? huh?

The federal government released a new batch of data Monday about drug prosecutions in 2016, and the statistics show that African-Americans and Hispanics are still prosecuted far more frequently than white people for nearly every type of drug crime.
https://news.vice.com/en_ca/article/7xwybd/the-war-on-drugs-remains-as-racist-as-ever-statistics-show

The black share of people arrested for drug offenses has ranged from 23 percent (in 1980) to 41 percent (in 1991). Blacks remain far more likely than whites to be arrested for selling drugs (3.6 times more likely) or possessing drugs (2.5 times more likely).
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/social-mobility-memos/2014/09/30/how-the-war-on-drugs-damages-black-social-mobility/

Of course those numbers seem racist. Probably because you managed to expose the TRUTH. Calling the War, or Fight against Drugs racist is easy...especially when you Intentionally Leave Out The Real Context. Such as....More African Americans, and Hispanics are PROBABLY prosecuted more frequently BECAUSE...they happen to be the PURPS more frequently. FACTS are Your Worst Enemy petey.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Pete's indoctrination runs deep, VERY deep. I don't believe anyone here or anywhere else for that matter, can break through what's been pounded into his head. He believes what he believes and thinks the way he thinks and that's that. No amount of logic, common sense, facts and/or statistics will change his mind. When irrefutable evidence is presented to people such as Pete, they simply brush it aside and pretend it doesn't exist. They REFUSE to even acknowledge it.

Pete is also a typical leftist. His indoctrination probably started at birth. He will die thinking exactly as he does now. That's what conservatives are up against.

[LongTermGuy]

Pete's indoctrination runs deep, VERY deep. I don't believe anyone here or anywhere else for that matter, can break through what's been pounded into his head. He believes what he believes and thinks the way he thinks and that's that. No amount of logic, common sense, facts and/or statistics will change his mind. When irrefutable evidence is presented to people such as Pete, they simply brush it aside and pretend it doesn't exist. They REFUSE to even acknowledge it.

Pete is also a typical leftist. His indoctrination probably started at birth. He will die thinking exactly as he does now. That's what conservatives are up against.


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[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Pete, I worked directly in this field for ten years, my wife is an ADA. Believe me when I tell you, on average known criminals are not given the same consideration as first time offenders, regardless of race.

Are there racist douche cops and prosecutors out there? You bet.

But in 2017 there were 8.1M arrests in this country. Of those 8.1M , 5.6M were white and 2.2M were black.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/topic-pages/tables/table-43

Now let's look at those numbers a few ways.

First let's look at what percentage of people arrested are black. Fully 27% of people arrested in 2017 were black. Blacks only make up 12% of the US population , yet make u 27% of all arrests? Whites , on the other hand make up 70% which is closer to what one expects since whites make up 67% of the overall population. Meaning , if blacks were arrested at a 1:1 ratio with whites one should expect to see around 15% of all arrests in the US to be of black people.

Second , let's look at it in terms of how likely a black person was to be arrested in 2017. So let's do the math 42.5M (roughly) blacks in the US , 2.2M black arrests . That means that 5% of blacks were arrested in 2017. 5% Pete, now that puts to bed the stupid argument that blacks are targeted by police because if that were true far more than 5% of blacks would have been arrested in any given year (and in fact that number is lower still because the 2.2M simply tallies ALL arrests, it doesn't take into account the same dumb nigger having been arrested 3 times in one year, which means that 1:20 blacks was arrested in 2017 but in truth the number isn't anywhere near that high.

Now, let's look at white people. Again , whites are near where you would expect to see . Meaning the percentage of people arrested should be near the percentage of the general population. For example, if blue eyed folks made up 30% of the US population, they should also make up 30% of those arrested, or pretty damn close. So of roughly 234.5M white people 5.6M were arrested in 2017 (and again that isn't entirely true because many of those arrests were multiple arrests of the same person , but the point stands ) So, doing the math we see that 2% of white Americans were arrested in 2017. Some small comparison shows that a black person was twice as likely to have been arrested as a white person in 2017. A little over two times in fact since 2 is obviously 2 is less than half of 5.

Pete Just by simply dong the actual math you have to concede a few points.

Number 1. In reality its a small percentage of black people committing the crimes higher than the percentage of white people but still very small.

Number 2. You would have to ascribe 50% of all the arrests of black people to RACISM to even out the arrests to the point where white people and black people were arrrested at the same rate. It is quite clear that 2.7M blacks weren't arrested in 2017 because of racism. I mean come on lol.

So, in conclusion we see that two things are true. 1. Those who believe a bunch of blacks are committing a lot of crimes are wrong. Whether they are racists or not is debatable, but they are for sure wrong. and 2. Those who believe blacks are targeted by police because racism and not because of crime are equally wrong, and possibly just stupid.

Valid, logical and true. Thus your words are immediately tossed into the garbage bin by a liberal/dem (such as Pete).
Since they hate TRUTH almost much as they hate we Conservative, Christian, White Males.....
A truly sad reality...-Tyr

[STTAB]

Where is Pete?