British Jihadis !!

[Drummond]

Dominating the British media's news sources over the past several days has been the subject of whether a young girl (one of three who made the journey to Syria from Bethnal Green, London, to join ISIS) should be allowed to return to Britain. She says she wants to, in fact needs to, to provide a decent life for the child she's just given birth to (literally within the past 24 hours ... the father is/was an ISIS terrorist, or an ISIS 'fighter', as the ever-disgusting BBC puts it).

She's been clear that she does NOT regret joining ISIS .. she even talks callously about seeing severed heads in a basket, saying the sight of that didn't faze her one bit.

In an interview with Sky News, she claims to have done nothing wrong, and she thinks people in Britain should have sympathy for her.

... Well: I regard her as one example of proof that terrorists, and those who commit to ally with them, cannot be regarded as properly human; therefore, deserve no human rights, because to apply them is a travesty, an outright nonsense.

Our Home Secretary is loathe to let her return to England ... but ... it's beginning to look as though he cannot stop her returning. She holds British nationality, and to deny her the right of a British citizen to return would, it's argued, render her 'stateless' ... seen as illegal.

Well .... President Trump has a 'take' on cases like hers, and terrorists generally, including those originating from Britain. Which is .....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6707189/British-jihadis-face-locked-Guantanamo-Bay-American-officials-run-patience.html


British jihadis could be sent to Guantanamo Bay after the UK is being seen to do little to punish them, it has been reported.

US officials believe the UK is not doing enough to punish people returning from Syria as they are offered rehabilitation programmes, rather than facing legal consequences.

According to The Times there is a growing opinion the UK is avoiding its responsibility over extremist converts who have joined ISIS.

Now, the paper has been told the two surviving members of the British terrorist group known as 'The Beatles' because of their English accents, El Shafee ElSheikh and Alexanda Kotey, could be prosecuted in America.

The Trump administration fears they could end up evading justice and want to send them to Guantanamo where there is room for about 50 jihadis.

'These guys have American blood on their hands,' a source told The Times.

US photographer James Foley was executed by the leader of 'The Beatles' Mohammed Emwazi known as Jihadi John.

Fresh talks over how jihadis who return from Syria are dealt with have begun after the discovery of one of the three schoolgirls from Bethnal Green who fled to Syria in 2015.

Shamima Begum, now 19, married in Syria after running away from home with friends Amira Abase and Kadiza Sultanta.

At nine months pregnant she wants to come home and have her third child in Britain, despite showing no remorse for joining ISIS. She left the surrounded village of Baghuz as ISIS fights for its last slither of territory in eastern Syria.

She said she has 'no regrets' about joining them.

Security Minister Ben Wallace said the UK would not be rescuing her from the Northern Syrian camp she escaped to.

He said: 'I'm not putting at risk British people's lives to go and look for terrorists or former terrorists in a failed state.

'The message this government has given for many years is that actions have consequences.'.
My view: if she, and others like her, end up in Gitmo ... if anything, that's better than they deserve. I'll be happy if Shamima Begum is captured and sent there.

For President Trump's approach, all I can say, is ....

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[High_Plains_Drifter]

It's hard to imagine the degree to which POLITICAL CORRECTNESS has INFECTED the psyche of Britain, because they ARE, FACILITATING terrorism in their OWN NATION. I can't fathom what's driving it, other than just look at LIBERALISM and LEFTISM as a MENTAL DISORDER.

It seems to be infecting the entire world though, and it can only lead to one thing, and that's the destruction of the entire human race.

[Drummond]

It's hard to imagine the degree to which POLITICAL CORRECTNESS has INFECTED the psyche of Britain, because they ARE, FACILITATING terrorism in their OWN NATION. I can't fathom what's driving it, other than just look at LIBERALISM and LEFTISM as a MENTAL DISORDER.

It seems to be infecting the entire world though, and it can only lead to one thing, and that's the destruction of the entire human race.

The typical liberal argument is that the girl from Bethnal Green was too young to properly realise what she was doing, when she went to Syria. Of course, such people are blind to what she herself has said ... that she does NOT regret what she's done.

They'll argue that she was a victim of radicalisation, making her a victim, not someone who's betrayed her country to savage enemies of it.

Had ISIS been more successful, of course, her child could've easily grown up to be a terrorist, killing future victims of that terrorism. Its father was, after all, a terrorist himself.

But the mental disorder driving liberalism will, of course be blind to all that. They see only what they want to see.

So, they have only pity for the 'poor girl' in a Syrian refugee camp, when that girl is only driven by cynical contempt for human life not her own, or her baby's, or her country's subhuman enemies.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

The typical liberal argument is that the girl from Bethnal Green was too young to properly realise what she was doing, when she went to Syria. Of course, such people are blind to what she herself has said ... that she does NOT regret what she's done.

They'll argue that she was a victim of radicalisation, making her a victim, not someone who's betrayed her country to savage enemies of it.

Had ISIS been more successful, of course, her child could've easily grown up to be a terrorist, killing future victims of that terrorism. Its father was, after all, a terrorist himself.

But the mental disorder driving liberalism will, of course be blind to all that. They see only what they want to see.

So, they have only pity for the 'poor girl' in a Syrian refugee camp, when that girl is only driven by cynical contempt for human life not her own, or her baby's, or her country's subhuman enemies.
They are... WRONG. I have no idea what DRIVES such DISTORTED thought. I can't even begin to understand it.

Maybe we need WWIII to wake people up. There's too many people alive that have been brain washed into this distorted utopian view of life. They seem to utterly REFUSE to believe there is EVIL in this world. It's insane. They'll tell us that don't buy into their madness that we shouldn't live in FEAR. Yeah... well tell that to the 3,000 INNOCENT people that were SLAUGHTERED in the twin towers in NYC.

https://i.ibb.co/GnMCW3j/muzzie-bitch.jpg

[Noir]

It’s certainly an interesting case study in how we should consider such cases.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

It’s certainly an interesting case study in how we should consider such cases.
Yeah there ya go... you need to STUDY it... moron.

Idiots like YOU are what's WRONG.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

It’s certainly an interesting case study in how we should consider such cases.
What is there to study Noir?
Facts are out there, these girls went over there to join murdering muslim scum. This girl married one of them- got pregnant and now wants to return home(free from any punishment) to raise the brat to be a future muslim terrorists, live off of the freebies the damn Brit government gives these muslim scum- which is all very fine according to Koranic commandments!
Remember the KORAN instructs it followers to lie to deceive as they murder all that do not accept Allah, instructions given by Mohammad ( otherwise known as , Ali babi the goat humper, child molester and murdering snake).
Now you have the facts-- go into your little liberal room and study away in order to try to justify giving this female POS a free pass. ..
When she should be executed on the spot, IMHO. -Tyr

[CSM]

Here ya go:

https://www.foxnews.com/world/alabama-born-isis-wife-who-reportedly-told-americans-to-kill-themselves-now-begging-to-come-home

Alabama-born ISIS wife who reportedly told Americans to kill themselves now begging to come home

If she does get to come back to the U.S. does that mean her raghead husband can come too? Does she and get all the welfare stuff illegals get? Just wondering....

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Here ya go:

https://www.foxnews.com/world/alabama-born-isis-wife-who-reportedly-told-americans-to-kill-themselves-now-begging-to-come-home

Alabama-born ISIS wife who reportedly told Americans to kill themselves now begging to come home

If she does get to come back to the U.S. does that mean her raghead husband can come too? Does she and get all the welfare stuff illegals get? Just wondering....
She can go to hell. If she was so easily radicalized once, bad enough to run half way around the earth so she could join up with the worst terror organization on the planet, then she can be again, not to mention it could be a ploy so she can get back here and pull a suicide bombing or shoot up another fag night club... fuck her. Let her sit over there and rot.

[jimnyc]

Yes, you are forgiven, come on back home. Then I pray you to be arrested the minute you land, and have your child taken from you. Then hopefully place you in prison for a minimum of 25 years.

You don't get to go and take up arms with the terrorist enemy, and try to radicalize and bring forth more people, and move from place to place with them. And then when things get to sucking, and nearing the end, you want to cry as if you didn't like it, you say you're sorry, and think you can swing on by home and act as if nothing ever happened?

:soldier99: :ali:

Tough shit. Stay there and bake in the desert, or come back "home" and face the consequences.

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Hoda Muthana 'deeply regrets' joining Isis and wants to return home

Exclusive: Muthana is the only American among 1,500 foreign women and children at a Syrian refugee camp

An American woman captured by Kurdish forces after fleeing the last pocket of land controlled by Islamic State says she “deeply regrets” travelling to Syria to join the terror group and has pleaded to be allowed to return to her family in Alabama.

Once one of Isis’s most prominent online agitators who took to social media to call for the blood of Americans to be spilled, Hoda Muthana, 24, claims to have made a “big mistake” when she left the US four years ago and says she was brainwashed into doing so online.

Speaking from al-Hawl refugee camp in northern Syria, while her 18-month-old son played at her feet, Muthana said she misunderstood her faith, and that friends she had at the time believed they were following Islamic tenets when they aligned themselves to Isis.

“We were basically in the time of ignorance […] and then became jihadi, if you like to describe it that way,” she said. “I thought I was doing things correctly for the sake of God.”

Muthana is the only American among an estimated 1,500 foreign women and children inside the sprawling camp of 39,000 people, which is situated about two hours from where a final battle to oust extremists is days from being completed.

Her experience in the so-called caliphate tracks the arc of Isis’s shocking rise and precipitous collapse over five brutal years. Muthana fled her home and took a flight to Turkey in November 2014 after several months of planning, which she kept secret from her family.

She settled into the Syrian city of Raqqa, then one of Isis’s two main hubs – the other being Mosul in Iraq – where she married an Australian jihadist, Suhan Rahman, the first of her three husbands.

Rahman was killed in the town of Kobanî, and soon afterwards Muthana angrily tweeted: “Americans wake up! Men and women altogether. You have much to do while you live under our greatest enemy, enough of your sleeping! Go on drivebys, and spill all of their blood, or rent a big truck and drive all over them. Veterans, Patriots, Memorial, etc day … Kill them.”

For many months in 2015, her Twitter feed was full of bloodcurdling incitement, and she says she remained a zealot until the following year. She now says her account was taken over by others.

Soon after, she married her second husband, a Tunisian fighter, with whom she had her son, Adam. Her husband was killed in Mosul, and Muthana retreated with dozens of other women deeper into Isis’s ever-shrinking land, where she briefly married a Syrian fighter last year.

Muthana says her family in Alabama were deeply conservative and placed restrictions on her movements and interactions, factors she claims contributed to her radicalisation. “You want to go out with your friends and I didn’t get any of that. I turned to my religion and went in too hard. I was self-taught and thought whatever I read, it was right.

Rest - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/17/us-woman-hoda-muthana-deeply-regrets-joining-isis-and-wants-return-home

[hjmick]

Tough shit.

She made her bed...

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Let her rot over there. She slept with at least three of those murdering vermin and now that those cockroaches are getting eradicated she pleads to come back here and not be punished. We should send a sniper to end her miserable terrorist life , IMHO.
She joined them- she is a terrorist, not some captured, imprisoned victim.
Bring her back- give her life in prison with no possibility of release or else shoot her, IMHO.
Take her young child and give that innocent boy to a good American Christian family to raise.
She deserves not one damn ounce of mercy. -Tyr

[Noir]

What is there to study Noir?

What importantance (if any) do we put on the fact that the decision to join ISIS was made when she was fifteen.
In what ways would her treatment be different if she did not leave the country.
To what extent would her being punished result in the punishment of her newborn child.
If she had joined a non-Muslim terrorist group in what way would her punishment be differnt.

[CSM]

Yeah, I posted that earlier. Might want to merge the threads to save space at least...lol

[Drummond]

What importantance (if any) do we put on the fact that the decision to join ISIS was made when she was fifteen.
In what ways would her treatment be different if she did not leave the country.
To what extent would her being punished result in the punishment of her newborn child.
If she had joined a non-Muslim terrorist group in what way would her punishment be differnt.

Yes. Shamima Begum was fifteen years old when she went to Syria.

Four years later, she still says she doesn't regret the journey. She says she was old enough to make the decision she did.

This terrorist wife (!!) tried to express sorrow that innocent civilians get killed (her effort to try and sell herself to us as a normal, 'caring' girl). She then promptly tripped herself up by trying to paint an equivalence of that with Western military actions that also kill people.

Noir ... wake up to the fact that she still sees things the ISIS way. She wants sympathy (she's said she believes she deserves some !!). But she still holds 'values' in line with ISIS thinking.

She doesn't deserve to return back to the UK. I say, let her rot where she is .. OR .. let's see her sent to somewhere like Gitmo. More ... if she did return (would you want her to, Noir ??), would she pose a permanent threat to our people ? By her own actions, maybe. By her attempts to radicalise others, also maybe.

She's an unrepentant enemy, and traitor to her country. NOTHING argues in favour of her return. At least .. not if justice is to be served.

[aboutime]

Anyone, namely, any American; WHO gives up their American citizenship to become an Enemy of America is, and always will be...not only the dumbest, but them most likely to return to being a TRAITOR. If she was young...that's not a good excuse for giving up being an American.
She made her bed, gave up the most desired, most sought after citizenship in the World, and now...she's sorry?

Not good enough. All of us, as Americans. Know other Americans who GAVE THEIR LIFE to make it possible for the rest of us to be here...alive, and speaking English. She deserves NOTHING.

CORRECTION.....SHE'S A BRIT. Still....NO EXCUSE.

[Drummond]

What is there to study Noir?
Facts are out there, these girls went over there to join murdering muslim scum. This girl married one of them- got pregnant and now wants to return home(free from any punishment) to raise the brat to be a future muslim terrorists, live off of the freebies the damn Brit government gives these muslim scum- which is all very fine according to Koranic commandments!
Remember the KORAN instructs it followers to lie to deceive as they murder all that do not accept Allah, instructions given by Mohammad ( otherwise known as , Ali babi the goat humper, child molester and murdering snake).
Now you have the facts-- go into your little liberal room and study away in order to try to justify giving this female POS a free pass. ..
When she should be executed on the spot, IMHO. -Tyr

The way the British Government (.. that's ANY British Government, regardless of what Party has won power) treats Muslim terrorists is indeed very lax and 'liberal', compared to what's deserved.

But then, it's not entirely their fault. Yes, we've disreputably 'soft' ways of treating that trash, and our people go out of their way to see them in the 'best possible' way that can be contrived. Unfortunately ... if we did take far stronger measures, our tie-in with the EU would likely neutralise those measures. Have a harsh judgment made in a British court (deportation efforts, for example, insisted upon by judgments we'd make) and said terrorist would fight any such decision, going higher and higher in our judicial system until it was circumvented entirely ... by invoking sympathy from the European Court of Human Rights. That court has the power to overrule anything we say ... and there've been cases where they've done it, too.

This is one of a host of reasons why, Tyr, it's vital that Brexit succeeds, and as fully and completely as possible. Once we're shot of their liberal ways, we can go on to fashion our own justice, as it deserves to exist !

[Noir]

Yes. Shamima Begum was fifteen years old when she went to Syria.

Four years later, she still says she doesn't regret the journey. She says she was old enough to make the decision she did.

This terrorist wife (!!) tried to express sorrow that innocent civilians get killed (her effort to try and sell herself to us as a normal, 'caring' girl). She then promptly tripped herself up by trying to paint an equivalence of that with Western military actions that also kill people.

Noir ... wake up to the fact that she still sees things the ISIS way. She wants sympathy (she's said she believes she deserves some !!). But she still holds 'values' in line with ISIS thinking.

She doesn't deserve to return back to the UK. I say, let her rot where she is .. OR .. let's see her sent to somewhere like Gitmo. More ... if she did return (would you want her to, Noir ??), would she pose a permanent threat to our people ? By her own actions, maybe. By her attempts to radicalise others, also maybe.

She's an unrepentant enemy, and traitor to her country. NOTHING argues in favour of her return. At least .. not if justice is to be served.

Would your response to the situation be different if she did say her decision to leave was a mistake etc?

[Drummond]

Would your response to the situation be different if she did say her decision to leave was a mistake etc?

She's saying no such thing. Be properly aware of that, Noir, and learn accordingly.

But to answer you .. no, on balance, if she had claimed it was a mistake in her view, I doubt such a claim could be believed. She did, after all, marry a terrorist. She made no move in four years to leave Syria, preferring instead to loyally stay with her terrorist husband. Only ISIS's defeat, and her resulting plight, causes her to want to return.

That, Noir, is very apparent to anybody seeing her situation realistically.

Noir, a piece of advice ... STOP TRYING to see this terrorist bride in sympathetic terms. Stop being an apologist for her. She is OUR ENEMY.

I suggest you wake up to that fact. If your Socialist myopia permits it, anyway ....

[jimnyc]

As to the American ISIS nitwit

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We shouldn’t let the ISIS bride come back to America

Hoda Muthana, a 24-year-old American woman who left the US to join ISIS five years ago, is really sorry and wants to come home. We shouldn’t let her.

It should be obvious that when someone takes up arms against their country, they have committed treason and should never be allowed to return. Yet our friends across the pond are proving obvious it isn’t.

Britain is having a raging debate about whether they should allow back their own homegrown terrorist, Shamima Begum, who ran away to join ISIS four years ago. Begum actually admits she has no regrets about joining the Islamic State and wishes she was strong enough to stick it out. And still the Brits aren’t sure what to do with her! Diane Abbott, Britain’s shadow home secretary, said that sure, they would investigate and maybe prosecute Begum, but ultimately, “We are not in favour of making people stateless, that’s a punishment without due process.” Due process is for crime, not war. Begum understands we’re at war; Abbott does not.

That debate about whether to allow citizenship to extend to people who want to actually destroy their home country is coming to America.

Muthana is already laying the groundwork for her “My bad on the whole becoming a terrorist” thing.

“I believe that America gives second chances,” Muthana told The Guardian in her plea to return. Sorry, but no. Let’s not allow Muthana to use our openness and love of “second chances” against us. There are some things that are unforgivable and joining the enemy to fight your home country is among them.

In 2015, Muthana urged her fellow Muslims to randomly murder Americans, tweeting, “You have much to do while you live under our greatest enemy, enough of your sleeping! Go on drive-bys and spill all of their blood, or rent a big truck and drive all over them. Veterans, Patriot, Memorial etc Day parades…go on drive by’s + spill all of their blood or rent a big truck n drive all over them. Kill them.”

For Americans, the fight only sometimes reaches our shores, but it rages without end for many around the world. We can’t allow our comfort to make us naive. ISIS is a civilizational threat and they can wait out any culture that takes a soft approach toward them because it doesn’t understand that. Four short years ago, Americans were Muthana’s “greatest enemy.” Since then, she has married three different Islamic State fighters only to have each die fighting for the cause. Is it possible she’s had a change of heart despite that? Sure.

Rest - https://nypost.com/2019/02/18/we-shouldnt-let-the-isis-bride-come-back-to-america/

[hjmick]

It’s certainly an interesting case study in how we should consider such cases.


No, it's not.

[Drummond]

Would your response to the situation be different if she did say her decision to leave was a mistake etc?

No doubt Noir is following the case of Shamima Begum using much of the media source material that I do ... in which case, he should've just learned of this following development: our Government has announced she's going to be stripped of British citizenship.

Apparently, as she has 'another country' she is entitled to request citizenship from, the British Government says it can do this without legal impediment.

More ... here's a further taste of WHY she isn't fit to hold British citizenship ....

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1089226/Jihadi-bride-shamima-begum-Manchester-suicide-bomb-isis


SHAMIMA BEGUM sparked an outcry after she said the Manchester Arena bomb attack, which killed 22 people, was “justified”. The teenage jihadi bride said it was “wrong that innocent people got killed” at the Ariana Grande concert. But she provoked anger by comparing the atrocity to the "women and children" bombed in Islamic State-held Baghuz in Syria.

Begum said they were "being killed right now unjustly. It's a two-way thing really because women and children are being killed back in the Islamic State right now and it's kind of retaliation.

"Like, their [IS] justification was that it was retaliation so I thought 'Okay, that is a fair justification'." It's kind of retaliation."

This is proof of her continuing sympathy for, and identification with, the ISIS so-called 'cause'.

I trust that you're making notes, Noir. Sympathy for this terrorist sympathiser and terrorist bride is just wrong-headed. She believes she can make a case for a defence of an act of wholesale terrorist murder.

No wonder she could never be trusted to return here.

[Noir]

But to answer you .. no

What variables would of had to of been different for you to have a different opinion?


No, it's not.

Well, not for all sorts.

[Drummond]

What variables would of had to of been different for you to have a different opinion?

OK, Noir, you want to play this game, one of 'there's room for having sympathy with a terrorist supporter and loyal follower, if only you look hard enough' ... ??

I'll start by stating the obvious. What Shamima Begum has done leaves ZERO room for viewing her case any differently.

She sneaked into Syria illegally ... not even using her own passport, as I understand (which says a lot for her deviousness and determination to link up with ISIS in the first place).

She stayed there, not just for days or weeks, or even just a handful of months, but for FOUR YEARS.

In that time, she married a terrorist.

She repeatedly fell pregnant (.. so you could hardly say she didn't do her best to fulfill her 'obligation' as a terrorist wife !).

She's now given birth ... to her son. The name she's given her son is 'Jerah'. The significance of that name is as reported here:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1089070/shamima-begum-isis-bride-syria-names-son-jerah-islamic-warlord


ISLAMIC State bride Shamima Begum has named her newborn son Jerah, which means “one who wounds” and may also be a reference to a savage 7th century warlord who slaughtered non-believers.

Perhaps, Noir, you see this as evidence of her fitness to return back to British society ??

There's her comment about the Manchester bombing, which I've posted about.

You want to know, Noir, what might have made me view her case differently ? It's easy.

Proof of her unwillingness to be a terrorist's wife.

Proof of her unwillingness to stay allied to ISIS, by getting out of Syria after 'learning her mistake'.

Proof of her revulsion, NOT of constructing a supportive argument (!) for a terrorist act as it occurred in Manchester.

Proof of her inclination to NOT name her son after a Muslim warlord !!!

Getting the picture, Noir, OR, are you still seeking a way to evoke sympathy for this PIECE OF TRASH ???

[aboutime]

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleiii

Section 3.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.
(She has confessed in Public to what she did)

( verb (used with object)
Law . to condemn by a sentence or a bill or act of attainder.
to disgrace.
Archaic . to accuse.
Obsolete . to prove the guilt of.
noun
Obsolete . a stain; disgrace; taint. )

[High_Plains_Drifter]

What variables would of had to of been different for you to have a different opinion?



Well, not for all sorts.
Sheeeezuz... you ignorant little TWIT.

[jimnyc]

LOL LOL LOL

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NOT WELCOME ISIS bride Shamima Begum STRIPPED of British citizenship after showing no remorse for fleeing to Syria

ISIS bride Shamima Begum has been stripped of her British citizenship after showing no remorse for joining the terror group.

An official Home Office letter breaking the shock news was delivered to Begum's "disappointed" family earlier today.

https://i.imgur.com/NoJOzaU.png

"Please find enclosed papers that relate to a decision taken by the Home Secretary, to deprive your daughter, Shamima Begum, of her British citizenship," the letter read.

"In light of the circumstances of your daughter, the notice of the Home Secretary's decision has been served of file today (19th February), and the order removing her British citizenship has subsequently been made."

Rest - https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8463591/isis-bride-shamima-begum-stripped-british-citizenship/

Also:

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/isis-bride-shamima-begum-has-british-citizenship-revoked/ar-BBTPjUS?li=AAggbRN
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47299907

[High_Plains_Drifter]

LOL LOL LOL

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NOT WELCOME ISIS bride Shamima Begum STRIPPED of British citizenship after showing no remorse for fleeing to Syria

ISIS bride Shamima Begum has been stripped of her British citizenship after showing no remorse for joining the terror group.

An official Home Office letter breaking the shock news was delivered to Begum's "disappointed" family earlier today.

https://i.imgur.com/NoJOzaU.png

"Please find enclosed papers that relate to a decision taken by the Home Secretary, to deprive your daughter, Shamima Begum, of her British citizenship," the letter read.

"In light of the circumstances of your daughter, the notice of the Home Secretary's decision has been served of file today (19th February), and the order removing her British citizenship has subsequently been made."

Rest - https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8463591/isis-bride-shamima-begum-stripped-british-citizenship/

Also:

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/isis-bride-shamima-begum-has-british-citizenship-revoked/ar-BBTPjUS?li=AAggbRN
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47299907
Now it's America's turn to do the same thing with other little tart that had to RUN OFF AND JOIN ISIS. I know Pedo Pete would probably like to MARRY HER, but that's another story.

[Noir]

You want to know, Noir, what might have made me view her case differently ? It's easy.

Proof of her unwillingness to be a terrorist's wife.

Proof of her unwillingness to stay allied to ISIS, by getting out of Syria after 'learning her mistake'.

Proof of her revulsion, NOT of constructing a supportive argument (!) for a terrorist act as it occurred in Manchester.

Proof of her inclination to NOT name her son after a Muslim warlord !!!

Do you hold the same standard to someone who joined the IRA?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

LOL LOL LOL

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NOT WELCOME ISIS bride Shamima Begum STRIPPED of British citizenship after showing no remorse for fleeing to Syria

ISIS bride Shamima Begum has been stripped of her British citizenship after showing no remorse for joining the terror group.

An official Home Office letter breaking the shock news was delivered to Begum's "disappointed" family earlier today.

https://i.imgur.com/NoJOzaU.png

"Please find enclosed papers that relate to a decision taken by the Home Secretary, to deprive your daughter, Shamima Begum, of her British citizenship," the letter read.

"In light of the circumstances of your daughter, the notice of the Home Secretary's decision has been served of file today (19th February), and the order removing her British citizenship has subsequently been made."

Rest - https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8463591/isis-bride-shamima-begum-stripped-british-citizenship/

Also:

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/isis-bride-shamima-begum-has-british-citizenship-revoked/ar-BBTPjUS?li=AAggbRN
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47299907

She is a non-citizen terrorist, now have her shot.. Send a team over there to execute the ffing traitor.
And Noir, her being female makes no difference to me, A traitor 's gender makes no difference.
Shoot her and be done with it- plus serve as an example to others thinking they can do that and later be accepted back home as if they merely took a vacation at some fancy resort.
Apparently you have no damn clue what being a true citizen is,, methinks..-Tyr

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Do you hold the same standard to someone who joined the IRA?
Is the IRA trying to take over the world?

That's the intention of ISLAM.

When are you going to display some sort of indication that you have a clue?

Good God, you're the best example of being MENTALLY CRIPPLED by LIBERAL THOUGHT that I've ever seen on a message board.

Have you EVER in your LIFE had a YES or NO answer to ANYTHING? Something you just KNEW was either RIGHT or WRONG. Have you EVER?

What makes a person like you such a SQUEAMISH little worm?

I swear... the topic could be have lunch or DIE and you'd have to THINK ABOUT IT, you'd have to psychoanalyze it.

The most OBVIOUS things seem to ESCAPE you. I can't even get into your brain. I have no idea how someone like you can be so OBLIVIOUS to the OBVIOUS.

[jimnyc]

Look at this twit from the UK, saying it's "unjust" of her not being able to return.

Tough shit, enjoy living in the sand with the scum you chose.

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Shamima Begum: Being stripped of my British citizenship is hard to swallow and unjust

Shamima Begum, the Isil bride, has described being stripped of her British citizenship is "unjust" and "hard to swallow" after she was shown the Home Office's documentation of the decision.

The 19-year-old, who had expressed the desire to return to the UK with her newborn son, was banned on Tuesday from entering the country.

At a refugee camp in northeastern Syria, she was shown the Government's letter, showing that she is no longer a British national.

"I don't know what to say," she told ITV News. "I am not that shocked but I am a bit shocked. It’s a bit upsetting and frustrating. I feel like it’s a bit unjust on me and my son."

She added: "It’s kind of heart-breaking to read. My family made it sound like it would be a lot easier for me to come back to the UK when I was speaking to them in Baghouz. It’s kind of hard to swallow."

Begum claimed that she was being treated harshly because "I was on the news four years ago", saying that she heard of "other people being sent back to Britain".

Rest - https://www.yahoo.com/news/shamima-begum-being-stripped-british-101037923.html

[CSM]

Look at this twit from the UK, saying it's "unjust" of her not being able to return.

Tough shit, enjoy living in the sand with the scum you chose.

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Shamima Begum: Being stripped of my British citizenship is hard to swallow and unjust

Shamima Begum, the Isil bride, has described being stripped of her British citizenship is "unjust" and "hard to swallow" after she was shown the Home Office's documentation of the decision.

The 19-year-old, who had expressed the desire to return to the UK with her newborn son, was banned on Tuesday from entering the country.

At a refugee camp in northeastern Syria, she was shown the Government's letter, showing that she is no longer a British national.

"I don't know what to say," she told ITV News. "I am not that shocked but I am a bit shocked. It’s a bit upsetting and frustrating. I feel like it’s a bit unjust on me and my son."

She added: "It’s kind of heart-breaking to read. My family made it sound like it would be a lot easier for me to come back to the UK when I was speaking to them in Baghouz. It’s kind of hard to swallow."

Begum claimed that she was being treated harshly because "I was on the news four years ago", saying that she heard of "other people being sent back to Britain".

Rest - https://www.yahoo.com/news/shamima-begum-being-stripped-british-101037923.html

Reality strikes! Decisions have consequences... imagine that!

[jimnyc]

I doubt it would happen, but sure would be nice to see the American twit receive the same letter!

[Drummond]

Do you hold the same standard to someone who joined the IRA?

See post #31 from High Plains Drifter. My response is 'ditto'.

Noir, instead of asking the questions you are, why not debate more freely, telling us what your views are ? You're refraining, thus far, from doing that. Why ?

Is it because you think they can't stand up to scrutiny ?

You might care to start by telling us, clearly and candidly: ARE YOU a terrorist (or terrorist bride) supporter ? If you think, somehow, that there are shades of support or leniency that can ever be deserved to those individuals ... WHY ?

So: if you seriously think the likes of Shamima Begum (or any American equivalent of her, as this thread includes mention of) can deserve support, or a defence of any kind, tell us the basis for your thinking. What do YOU think Shamima Begum deserves to have happen to her ?

Try not to be too offensive in your reply.

[Drummond]

Reality strikes! Decisions have consequences... imagine that!

Pervading Shamima Begum's various utterances is a constant arrogance, combined with a persistent sympathy for ISIS's thinking. The reality she now has to contend with is that all she's said has played its part in making our people decide she cannot be permitted back here to our territory.

Thus far, she's not facing up to that (more evidence of her arrogance, and abiding hostility). She somehow believes she's being treated 'unjustly'. [No doubt she believes the Left in the UK will dream up excuses for defending her.]

For someone who says she never wanted to be a poster-girl for ISIS, she has a very curious way of 'proving' it.

[Noir]

See post #31 from High Plains Drifter. My response is 'ditto'.

Noir, instead of asking the questions you are, why not debate more freely, telling us what your views are ? You're refraining, thus far, from doing that. Why ?

Is it because you think they can't stand up to scrutiny ?

You might care to start by telling us, clearly and candidly: ARE YOU a terrorist (or terrorist bride) supporter ? If you think, somehow, that there are shades of support or leniency that can ever be deserved to those individuals ... WHY ?

So: if you seriously think the likes of Shamima Begum (or any American equivalent of her, as this thread includes mention of) can deserve support, or a defence of any kind, tell us the basis for your thinking. What do YOU think Shamima Begum deserves to have happen to her ?

Try not to be too offensive in your reply.

I think it’s pretty clear that she should not be allowed to enter the country, and the decision to remove her citizenship seems sensible.

But I think it’s quite clear that an opinion like that is boring and expected because the case is clear, ergo I find the interest in what could make the case ‘unclear’.

[Drummond]

I think it’s pretty clear that she should not be allowed to enter the country, and the decision to remove her citizenship seems sensible.

You surprise me, Noir. Still ... well done. Glad to see you posting that ...


But I think it’s quite clear that an opinion like that is boring and expected because the case is clear, ergo I find the interest in what could make the case ‘unclear’.

... if also a 'little' less glad to see this qualifying comment of yours !

'Boring', eh ? Well ... that's sad. Perhaps it'd have been more 'exciting' to have our Home Secretary welcome her back with open arms ??

Besides -- you're wrong. This story, in the British media, will rumble on for a long time, I think. Her family have already pledged to fight the Home Secretary's 'deprivation' decision. Appeal after appeal through the courts will no doubt continue for years.

That said ... one report from the BBC suggests that Shamima Begum will use her terrorist husband's Dutch nationality to try and make a case for her adopting his nationality for herself.

Whether or not that'll 'fly' (what would the Dutch think of it ?) ... it says one thing with clarity. She is still allied to, and expecting support from, her TERRORIST husband. Which gives yet more confirmation, if any were needed, of just how correct the decision to cancel her British citizenship really was.

Possibly 'boring' to you, Noir (but that can't be helped) ....

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1089699/BBC-Newsnight-shamima-begum-sajid-javid-british-citizenship-ISIS-terror-shiraz-maher


THE decision to withdraw Shamima Begum’s British citizenship has been branded “racist” by a leading academic.

King’s College London’s Shiraz Maher told BBC Newsnight Home Secretary Sajid Javid had created “a dangerous situation” after it was announced the 19-year-old would not be allowed back into the UK. Ms Begum last week begged to be returned back to the UK after she fled the country to support ISIS in Syria. And now Mr Maher has claimed the authorities should have considered different steps in Ms Begum’s case.

He said: “I think it’s a very dangerous decision, it does create this perception that there is a two-tier system and a system that’s frankly racist.”

Mr Maher argued hundreds of others have travelled to ISIS from the UK but not had their citizenship removed.

He believes it is unfair Ms Begum’s has been removed.

When asked by Newsnight host Kirsty Wark whether it was racist, he replied: “This is blatantly what’s transpiring.

Mentioning Shamima Begum's husband ... further details on him. This is who she's relying on for assistance:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8431734/shamima-begum-husband-terror-cell/


THE husband of jihadi bride Shamima Begum was linked to an IS terror cell planning *Paris-style attacks, it emerged yesterday.

Dutch Islamist fighter Yago Riedijk, 27, was in regular contact with seven men feared to have targeted a rock festival in the city of Arnhem.

A Dutch anti-terror source said last night: “The chances that Riedijk was not in touch with members of the group planning this bloodbath is nil.

“The British girl is being described as a vulnerable victim but she married an extremely dangerous man who waged jihad at home as well as in Syria.”

Police smashed the Arnhem cell last year as the men were about to launch their attack.

An undercover officer had infiltrated their ranks and supplied them with dummy weapons which failed to fire as police swooped.

Investigators learned of their plot to use car bombs, grenades and AK47 assault rifles at a major event, believed to be a rock festival.

Their plan was to walk among innocent revellers in a line killing everyone in their path with rifles and grenades before detonating a huge car bomb.

Dutch police said Riedijk, who surfaced in Syria in 2016, was one of 29 Muslim men from Arnhem identified as having been radicalised.

[Noir]

'Boring', eh ? Well ... that's sad. Perhaps it'd have been more 'exciting' to have our Home Secretary welcome her back with open arms

No, that is not what I said at all.

[Drummond]

No, that is not what I said at all.

I did say 'perhaps'.

So, what ARE you saying ?

I've asked you to be clear about your views. You haven't yet done much to express them.

What is your view on Islamic terrorism, and those (such as Shamima Begum) who act to support it ? What actions should be taken (if any, in your opinion ?) to crack down on it ? Eradicate it .. ?

To what extent should the conditions leading to the phenomenon of radicalisation be tackled, negated ? Do tell us, Noir. What should be done ? What should NOT be done .. ?

[Noir]

I did say 'perhaps'.

Well now you know not.


What is your view on Islamic terrorism

Its bad.


and those (such as Shamima Begum) who act to support it ?

They’re wrong.


What actions should be taken (if any, in your opinion ?) to crack down on it ? Eradicate it .. ?

Short term - Moderate muslims should be leading their communities away from extremism.
Long term - Continued (and better) public education on scientific reasoning and empathetic understanding.


To what extent should the conditions leading to the phenomenon of radicalisation be tackled, negated ?

To the same extent that we don’t want to be the victim of said radicalisation etc.



Do tell us, Noir. What should be done ? What should NOT be done .. ?

The answers above are largely pointless and some probably wrong, but if you’ve found them interesting, fair enough.

[jimnyc]

Its bad.

You sure said a mouthful! All that on Islamic terrorism. One can tell how passionate how you are on the subject.

Hell, you talk more about the comparison of nipples 50x more than you do about islam radicals and folks that want to end our way of lives, to kill all of us.

[Noir]

You sure said a mouthful! All that on Islamic terrorism. One can tell how passionate how you are on the subject.

Hell, you talk more about the comparison of nipples 50x more than you do about islam radicals and folks that want to end our way of lives, to kill all of us.

That’s the point, emphasis by understament.

And as with anything, the more concisely something is said, the less room for misunderstanding/misinterpretation, though inevitably it’ll happen anyway.

[jimnyc]

That’s the point, emphasis by understament.

And as with anything, the more concisely something is said, the less room for misunderstanding/misinterpretation, though inevitably it’ll happen anyway.

I just see that extreme minimum from you, when someone like Drummond takes quite some time to often write out a good post/thread. It's boring when someone takes time, and the other then cuts out 95% of it and replies to maybe one sentence instead.

I think someone can still be concise while still writing in depth. In fact, Drummond does it all the time.

If worried about a misunderstanding, then bold something or make something abundantly clear in another manner within your post. But one doesn't need to write a single sentence post or single word post just in order to be concise.

[jimnyc]

Yes! And now #2!

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WINNING! President Trump Instructed Secretary Pompeo to NOT Allow ISIS Bride Back Into US

As previously reported, the woman who claims to have left Alabama to join ISIS and now wants to return to the United States is not an American citizen and therefore cannot return to the nation, according to a statement from Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.

Secretary Pompeo said that the 24-year-old “will not be admitted to the United States.”

Shortly after Secretary Pompeo’s announcement that the ISIS bride would not be allowed back into the US, President Trump fired off a tweet confirming he instructed Pompeo to block the jihadi bride from reentering the US.

This is what winning looks like — thank you, President Trump!

TRUMP: I have instructed Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and he fully agrees, not to allow Hoda Muthana back into the Country!

https://i.imgur.com/avsUtwL.png

The mainstream media has been attempting to paint a “heartbreaking” and sympathetic portrait of Hoda Muthana, despite the fact that she married four ISIS fighters in Syria.

“‘ISIS bride’ Hoda Muthana, who has been asking to return to the United States, is not an American citizen,” Pompeo said on Wednesday.

Rest - https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/02/winning-president-trump-instructed-secretary-pompeo-to-not-allow-isis-bride-back-into-us/

[Drummond]

Well now you know not.

So, enlighten us.


Its bad.

Worse than 'good', then. But, 'bad' can be interpreted in various ways. 'Bad' can describe a crumbling pavement, for example, needing repair. It's hardly comparable, say, to a building full of people being bombed, people being maimed or killed as a result.

Does your one word judgment convey enough of an answer for the reader to be clear about how you feel ? I hardly think so.

As Jim points out ... no evidence of passion behind your thinking.


They’re wrong.

Again, your answer isn't saying much of anything. I can say that 2+2=5. Does your level of caring equate to your reaction in seeing a sum miscalculated, OR, do you think that the issue, and fact, of terrorist support has greater significance ?

No evidence of passion .. again ...


Short term - Moderate muslims should be leading their communities away from extremism.

Yours is an answer (this pervading your entire response) which approaches all this as though it were simply an academic exercise. I suggest to you that it's no such thing.

It's a matter of life v death .. of savagery v decency. Of law and order v destructive lawlessness.

In fact .. it's a matter of good v evil. Of which will prevail. Of the avoidance of death and destruction meted out to innocent people and to meritorious societies.

So tell me this. What 'leading their communities away from extremism' do you see your supposed 'moderate Muslims' actually DOING ?

Can you provide evidence of any such thing occurring to any appreciable extent, AT ALL ??


Long term - Continued (and better) public education on scientific reasoning and empathetic understanding.

So .. you'd suggest what, then, in real terms ?

Seminars ?

Saturation coverage on TV networks ?

Logic courses ?

'Alcoholics Anonymous' - style meetings ending in group hugs ??

How nice, Noir.

In the meantime ... terrorists from foreign lands, foreign societies, who share NONE of your values, and NO humanity AT ALL, travel from those lands (or recruit from them) and launch their terrorist actions. Killing, maiming, and destroying ... spreading their misery and terror to innocents.

Cue a news commentator, maybe, viewing the carnage ... to conclude that it was all ... 'BAD' (such a commentator would not be broadcasting from the BBC, because they hate to offer 'value judgments' in anything they say) ... ??


To the same extent that we don’t want to be the victim of said radicalisation etc.

Who does ?

But yours is a non-answer. I asked you about tackling such evils. You say nothing which gives any detail at all on that.

Is this because, in truth, you from your perspective can offer no solution .. and still expect THAT to suffice, THAT to be preferable to the approach most posting on this forum would readily advocate ??


The answers above are largely pointless and some probably wrong, but if youÂ’ve found them interesting, fair enough.

Pointless ... yes. You seem to be totally distant, in your thinking and feeling, from the entire issue involved. As Jim says ... zero passion is involved.

Where is your HUMAN CARING ?

Did I find your answers 'interesting' ? Well ... I found what they revealed 'interesting'. But more than that, Noir, I found them appalling.

Many THOUSANDS have died, the victim of terrorism. Thousands more have been maimed and suffered terribly. Yet more thousands (& are these figures under-estimates ?) have been bereaved, lives blighted as a result.

So I suggest this: THIS, NOIR, IS NO ACADEMIC EXERCISE. A LIFE OR DEATH STRUGGLE FOR THE VERY FUTURE OF HUMANITY IS AT STAKE HERE. DO WE KNUCKLE UNDER TO A BARBARIC CREED, TO SAVAGES, OR DOES DECENT, RIGHTEOUS, CIVILIZATION WIN OUT IN THE END ?

[Noir]

As expected - even a most non-confrontational statement like ‘Islamic terrorism is bad’ is met with ‘but how should I interpret what you mean when you say bad’ good grief.

Please recognise how impossible it is to have a good conversation when this is where it goes.

[Drummond]

As expected - even a most non-confrontational statement like ‘Islamic terrorism is bad’ is met with ‘but how should I interpret what you mean when you say bad’ good grief.

Please recognise how impossible it is to have a good conversation when this is where it goes.

Please particularly recognise your refusal to allow your viewpoints (such as they are) to have a meaningful airing on this forum, when you're challenged to do this.

For many of us, Noir, the subject matter under discussion is rather more than a dry exercise in pedantry or even one-upmanship. It has to do with decency, life or death issues, and standing up to aggressors who will, given the chance to, threaten and redefine our very way of life and the future of humanity.

Perhaps you can be persuaded to properly comprehend this. But, on your present showing, I seriously doubt it.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Please particularly recognise your refusal to allow your viewpoints (such as they are) to have a meaningful airing on this forum, when you're challenged to do this.

For many of us, Noir, the subject matter under discussion is rather more than a dry exercise in pedantry or even one-upmanship. It has to do with decency, life or death issues, and standing up to aggressors who will, given the chance to, threaten and redefine our very way of life and the future of humanity.

Perhaps you can be persuaded to properly comprehend this. But, on your present showing, I seriously doubt it.

My friend, you call out Noir on his evasive way of replying to serious matters.
Then Noir complains about that very thing to you evasively in reply!
Surely by now , one must see that it is a mental problem he has- called liberalism or enlightened progressiveness.
Both are forms of mental illness but are not recognized to be such because their faithful followers(victims) have made sure this insanity is viewed as and declared to be - a truly magnificent and a most wonderful great enlightenment.
We that have not been brainwashed, are then viewed to be savages, animals and totally worthless beings.
This mass delusion liberals/progressives are infected with can only be created to this huge level by the Dark Lord--
which according to them--does not exist, as neither does God!
Sad is it not that they control the dem party, mainstream media and majority of the established bureaucracy of our Federal government.
At such level-- it is truly a malignant cancer, one we either deal with or else we will perish from my friend..
I now think we perish from it (as a sovereign nation) -- as it has now advanced too far and long ago allied itself with our nation's foreign enemies ..-Tyr

[Drummond]

My friend, you call out Noir on his evasive way of replying to serious matters.
Then Noir complains about that very thing to you evasively in reply!
Surely by now , one must see that it is a mental problem he has- called liberalism or enlightened progressiveness.
Both are forms of mental illness but are not recognized to be such because their faithful followers(victims) have made sure this insanity is viewed as and declared to be - a truly magnificent and a most wonderful great enlightenment.
We that have not been brainwashed, are then viewed to be savages, animals and totally worthless beings.
This mass delusion liberals/progressives are infected with can only be created to this huge level by the Dark Lord--
which according to them--does not exist, as neither does God!
Sad is it not that they control the dem party, mainstream media and majority of the established bureaucracy of our Federal government.
At such level-- it is truly a malignant cancer, one we either deal with or else we will perish from my friend..
I now think we perish from it (as a sovereign nation) -- as it has now advanced too far and long ago allied itself with our nation's foreign enemies ..-Tyr:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

All very well said, my friend. Mental illness, dressed up to be a supposedly 'viable' way for any society to proceed. In the meantime .. our savage, subhuman enemies go on to wage their war against civilisation .. feeding upon, exploiting to the hilt, the delusions the Left indulges in.

Noir can see none of it. Nor can those like him.

They cripple us all.

[Drummond]

Sickening stuff, this.

Shamima Begum no doubt relied on the mood in the UK being far more in line with the typical appeasement the Left here would offer to a Muslim in dire straits (whether or not s/he is actually a traitor matters not one jot to them). Now that a couple of weeks have gone by, and the overall mood lacks sympathy for her, NOW, she's rewriting her stance. NOW, she's a 'changed woman', 'seeing the error of her ways'.

Amazing, eh ?

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/i-want-to-inspire-british-girls-not-to-make-the-same-mistakes-jihadi-bride-shamima-begum-now-insists-she-is-truly-sorry-as-she-pleads-for-a-second-chance-to-return-home-to-the-uk-from-her-tent-in-a-squalid-refugee-camp/ar-BBU1hkY?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout


Her own family in Britain have said they are appalled at some of the things she has said and at the weekend her father condemned her lack of remorse for what IS has done.

Today I find Shamima at pains to be conciliatory. She finally seems to understand the offence she has caused and the damage it has done to her prospects of returning home.

‘I am hoping to be given a second chance’, she says quietly.

‘I’d like to be an example of how someone can change. I want to help, encourage other young British people to think before they make life- changing decisions like this and not to make the same mistake as me.

‘I can’t do that if I am sitting here in a camp. I can’t do that for you.’

Cynics may question her sincerity and she clings to the belief that she is a victim in all of this, rather than someone who chose to leave her home and join a terror group.

‘I feel like I’ve been discriminated against because everyone was saying I was a poster girl for ISIS,’ she says of the decision to strip her of her passport. ‘I’m being made an example of. I’m being punished right now because I’m famous.’


She handed over her British passport willingly when she arrived in Syria with two school friends in February 2015.

‘They took my passport but I thought to myself ‘‘what am I going to do with it? I don’t really have any use for it’’,’ she says.

She never expected to go back. Her future, the future she wanted, was as a housewife in the caliphate.

So, things didn't turn out as she expected, and now, only NOW, is she suddenly regretful.

Regretful as she needs to be, to strike the best note she can to gain sympathy -- as a means to an end.