Terrorism in Turkey

[jimnyc]

Just a brief intro for those not in the know... And this is just from the 70's onward.... And this is just the generics since then, and the tip of the iceberg.

So the question is - when will Islam and Islamic countries stop being the SOURCE of all terrorism?

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Terrorism in Turkey

Terrorism in Turkey is a significant issue for Turkish authorities. While the government labels deaths in Kurdish–Turkish conflict (1978–present) as terrorism related, this is disputed by others. In addition involvement in the Syrian Civil War and radical political elements in the country have also been a source for alleged terrorist incidents. The violence has had a negative impact on the country's tourism sector.

1970s
Terrorism in Turkey in the 1970s stemmed from the student protest movement in the 1960s. Leftist radicals first attempted to challenge the political regime by use of sit-ins, street demonstrations, and the establishment of a new political party, the Turkish Labor Party (TLP). After only receiving 3% of the popular vote in the 1965 election, and 2.7% four years later, leftist radicals began to turn to a more militant approach. Knowledge on the use of explosives and weapons was provided by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO).

Left-wing terrorism began in 1969 when the Proletarian Revolutionaries and Proletarian Socialists formed the Federation of Revolutionary Youth of Turkey (Dev-Genç). Terror activities included bank robberies, bombings and kidnappings (for ransom). In 1971, the military declared martial law to arrest revolutionaries. By 1973, these incidents had stopped.

Two Armenian groups conducted a number of terror attacks aimed at Turkish diplomats, ASALA (Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia) and JCAG (Justice Commandos of the Armenian Genocide). These attacks spawned a period of ten years from 1975 to 1985. Their efforts were mostly based overseas, but some attacks occurred in Turkey such as the May 1977 bombing of the Istanbul airport and railway.

Between 1976 and 1980, more than 5,000 people were killed in hundreds of terrorist incidents.

1980s and 1990s
In the 1980s and 1990s, Jihadist terrorism in Turkey was an isolated phenomenon represented by the Turkish Hezbollah and the Great Eastern Islamic Raiders' Front. Since the 2000s, there has been a rise in attacks from Islamist groups, some with links to Al-Qaeda. One group that has been studied by researchers is the Turkish Hezbollah.

In the 1990s, Islamic terrorist organizations were active in Turkey. Their objective was to bring down the secular democratic regime in Turkey and to establish an Islamic Sharia‐based state (similar to Iran). In July 1993, an arson attack took place where extremists set fire to a hotel where a cultural festival was taking place. Islamic groups attacked and threatened Jewish personalities and the Jewish community in Turkey.

In the course of the Kurdish–Turkish conflict (1978–present) there were an estimated 30,000-35,000 deaths between 1984 and 2000. While the Turkish government position has been to classify the deaths in the conflict as terror related, other dispute this claim and allege human right violations by the Turkish authorities. In 1995, Human Rights Watch reported that it was common practice for Turkish soldiers to kill Kurdish civilians and take pictures of their corpses with the weapons, they carried only for staging the events. Killed civilians were shown to press as Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) "terrorists".

2000s
The Dokumacılar is an Islamic terrorist group composed of about 60 Turkish militants who joined ISIL. The group is responsible for the 2015 Suruç bombing which resulted in 32 deaths.

Other attacks, like the 2017 Istanbul nightclub shooting, were perpetrated by Islamic State. However, initially, the Turkish government avoided labelling ISIL as a terror organization.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Turkey

[jimnyc]

And this latest report shows that Turkey kinda leads the world in jailing journalists. WHY? What are they hiding? Why can't journalists report what is going on? We all know why of course.


Turkey Still Worst Jailer of Journalists in 2018, Watchdog Says

Turkey, China, Egypt responsible for more than half of jailed
At least 68 journalists remain behind bars in Turkey, CPJ says

Turkey remains the world’s worst jailer of journalists, with at least 68 in prison for their work, the Committee to Protect Journalists said in a report.

Although the number is slightly lower than previous years, dozens more have been jailed or released as prosecutors continue to seek arrest warrants and apply new charges, according to the New York-based watchdog group. “For the third consecutive year, every journalist imprisoned in Turkey is facing anti-state charges,” CPJ said in report published on Thursday.

The total number of journalists behind bars around the world this year was 251, compared with a record 262 last year.

Rest - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-13/turkey-still-worst-jailer-of-journalists-in-2018-watchdog-says?srnd=premium-middle-east

[tailfins]

We live on a planet with 7+ billion people; most of them not free. Getting worked up about it only raises your blood pressure and takes years off of your life. A better approach is to learn how such individuals adapt to the rigors of repression. You might learn something that will make you better equipped to handle adversity. Do you honestly think that a typical person in a repressive nation has any say so in how their country is run?

[Farah]

terror attacks aimed at Turkish diplomats, ASALA (Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia) and JCAG (Justice Commandos of the Armenian Genocide). These attacks spawned a period of ten years from 1975 to 1985.


Asala stories are soo interesting. So asala terrorists starts to murder Turkish diplomats all over the World and then every single Asala members gets assassinated in the middle of European countries and security forces cannot caught any of assassins. One of the assassin kills an asla leader in the train and swims in a river for days not to be caught by security forces.

[NightTrain]

So, Farah, what are you Turks going to do about the terrorism in your country?

I'd start with getting rid of all the muslims you have there... maybe export them to Iran or something. Any talk about doing something like that yet?

[Farah]

So, Farah, what are you Turks going to do about the terrorism in your country?

I'd start with getting rid of all the muslims you have there... maybe export them to Iran or something. Any talk about doing something like that yet?

There is no terrorism in Turkiye and I know you hate it when there is no terrorism in your "ally" countries.

[tailfins]

There is no terrorism in Turkiye and I know you hate it when there is no terrorism in your "ally" countries.

Every country on the planet has terrorism. One noted terrorist organization here in the USA is called Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13). No matter how much a government tries, criminal enterprises find a way to take root and operate. Your notion is silly on its face.

https://news.fiu.edu/wp-content/uploads/0202128.jpg

[Drummond]

There is no terrorism in Turkiye and I know you hate it when there is no terrorism in your "ally" countries.

Seriously ?

So, the end-part of Jim's report was in error ?

Is this link also providing an erroneous account ?

https://140journos.com/terror-attacks-in-turkey-between-2011-and-2017-4b5981c974ca

Partial quote:


20 january 2017: istanbul police headquarter and ak party’s headquarter were attacked with flame throwers. dhkp-c claimed the attacks.

17 february 2017: 2 people were killed in an attack with a car bomb in sanliurfa’s viransehir. hpg claimed the attack.

11 april 2017: 3 people were killed, 12 people were injured in an attack in diyarbakir’s provincial police headquarter. attackers digged a tunnel to get in the office. hpg claimed the attack.

April 2017 was the last entry. Nothing listed for 2018 ... so, Farah, do you assure us that terrorism 'ended' in 2017, in Turkey ?

If 'yes' ... do tell us how this feat was accomplished !

... Then again ....

http://www.bpnews.net/50560/american-pastor-charged-with-terrorism-in-turkey


ZMIR, Turkey (BP) -- American pastor Andrew Brunson has been indicted in Turkey on charges of terrorism. The American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) claims the charges amount to an admission "that Turkey considers sharing the Gospel an 'act of terrorism.'"

"The 62-page indictment, wholly lacking merit, provides no evidence regarding criminal action by Pastor Andrew, which comes as no surprise," the ACLJ stated in a March 20 news release. "Pastor Andrew, who has lived in Turkey for 23 years, serving as Pastor of the Izmir Resurrection Church, has maintained his innocence and has reiterated that he has been in Turkey for only one reason, to tell about Jesus Christ. Incredibly, the indictment now admits that Turkey considers sharing the Gospel an 'act of terrorism.'"
A court date of April 16 has been set, the ACLJ reported. If convicted, Brunson, 50, could face 35 years in prison.

The United States Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) reported previously that the case against Brunson was "largely based on a purported 'secret witness' and secret evidence" which Turkish officials "refuse to make public." With the indictment, however, the ACLJ stated, "the case file is now finally open, and by the end of the week, we should have access to all of the alleged evidence."

Various media outlets had reported Brunson was indicted last week and charged with "leadership in a terrorist organization," with prosecutors seeking a possible life sentence. The ACLJ issued an update March 15 implying the indictment may not, in fact, have been submitted in court. However, this week's ACLJ update clarified that the indictment was submitted last week despite alleged statements by a Turkish prosecutor to the contrary.

When reports of the indictment first surfaced, the USCIRF said it "strongly condemns" the charges and asked the Trump administration to "redouble their ongoing efforts to secure Pastor Brunson's release."

"No stone should be left unturned in our efforts on behalf of this unjustly imprisoned American," USCIRF vice chairs Sandra Jolley and Kristina Arriaga said in a March 13 release. "We call again for his immediate release and, if this is not forthcoming, for the administration and Congress to impose targeted sanctions against those involved in this miscarriage of justice."

Shocking stuff ... eh, Farah .. ??

[Sorry, but I really have to ask: Farah, what's it like to be on the receiving-end for a change, h'mm .. ?]

[Gunny]

There is no terrorism in Turkiye and I know you hate it when there is no terrorism in your "ally" countries.Really? "There is no terrorism in Turkey".

Then WHY are you all murdering all those kurds and in your own words in your own threads calling them terrorists?

You are dumber than I thought. And a terrible liar. You and I both know you're full of shit. You're an entitled, "educated" Turk. I can smell it on you from HERE. "Educated" meaning by Turkish standards, not ours.

I got your name and I got your number, Turk. You don't speak like a run if the mill gutter Turk. That means entitled class. You're completely brainwashed into the government lie so deeply you can't even catch your own obvious contradictions of your own words. You have media access and haven't been shut down which means you're being a good little Turk and spouting the party line or your computer access would be gone. If you were lucky it's all you'd lose.

Problem with all that is you are ignorant, uneducated in a worldly sense, and naive. You DO make a good parrot though. You wouldn't know the truth if it landed on your head, and then, wouldn't admit that's what put the dent in your head if your government told you it didn't.

Need I remind you I lived in Turkey? You can't lie on this message board. Why don't you try acting like a normal human being and getting along? I don't need you to tell me nor anyone here what you Turks think of Americans. Want to REALLY contribute to your society? Buy everyone a bar of soap and some deodorant.

[Farah]

Seriously ?

So, the end-part of Jim's report was in error ?

Is this link also providing an erroneous account ?

https://140journos.com/terror-attacks-in-turkey-between-2011-and-2017-4b5981c974ca

Partial quote:



April 2017 was the last entry. Nothing listed for 2018 ... so, Farah, do you assure us that terrorism 'ended' in 2017, in Turkey ?

If 'yes' ... do tell us how this feat was accomplished !

... Then again ....

http://www.bpnews.net/50560/american-pastor-charged-with-terrorism-in-turkey



Shocking stuff ... eh, Farah .. ??

[Sorry, but I really have to ask: Farah, what's it like to be on the receiving-end for a change, h'mm .. ?]

I said there "is" no terrorism. So present time. Especially after the recent coup attempt many Western agents within state departments, in police, in soldier, in judgement have been kicked out it a way. Despite still there are many of them in government (so these formations are not new, they are soo old) they lost a huge operational power. Since then there is no terror attacks in Turkiye, terrorists cannot receive internal support and they cant operate. They are trying to held some terror attacks but they are caught in a short time.

As I said before in another topic, no terror organization can survive without being supported by at least one country.

[Farah]

Really? "There is no terrorism in Turkey".

Then WHY are you all murdering all those kurds and in your own words in your own threads calling them terrorists?



They are not kurds, they are terrorists, they are also recognized as terrorists by US and by many other countries. On the other hand, it does not matter even if you would not recognize them as terrorists. So does not matter whether or not you reject that 2x2=4, its still 4 even if you reject to face with that fact.

There are at least 5 million kurds living in Turkiye. The estimated number of current terrorist population in Turkiye borders is 700. So %0.01 of total Kurdish population. There are at least 3 million Syrian migrants in Turkiye and 800.000 of them are Syrian kurds. There are maximum 60.000 US backed and funded terror groups in Syria, so %13 of total Kurdish population living in the region. While about %25 of these 60.000 population is persons under 18 years old forced to fight and I dont know the rate of it but big part of these 60.000 population is also women. And another big part of this population is loca people living in the region and forced to fight for terror groups, another point Turkish military experts says the 60.000 number is impossible and quite exaggerated.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

This little muslim turk is a twit, folks... might as well talk to a wall. She's full bore brain washed, and a pathetic liar.

[Drummond]

:rolleyes::rolleyes:
I said there "is" no terrorism. So present time. Especially after the recent coup attempt many Western agents within state departments, in police, in soldier, in judgement have been kicked out it a way. Despite still there are many of them in government (so these formations are not new, they are soo old) they lost a huge operational power. Since then there is no terror attacks in Turkiye, terrorists cannot receive internal support and they cant operate. They are trying to held some terror attacks but they are caught in a short time.

As I said before in another topic, no terror organization can survive without being supported by at least one country.

So, within aproximately 12 months (give or take a few) you 'eradicated' terrorism in Turkey, by neutralising these 'dastardly Western agents' from being able to operate in Turkey ?

Really ?

Farah. All that we know of our values, compared with those 'held' by terrorists (.. and yes, we actually DO know what our values are, thanks very much !!), completely defies that. All we know of the West's fighting of terrorists defies that. '9/11', for example, was what was suffered by AMERICA, not some Eastern nation !! That terrorism CAME FROM THE EAST. Literally hundreds, thousands even, of subsequent terrorist acts have been committed by terrorists FROM THE EAST, against countries IN THE WEST. You're not going to convince anyone here that it's the West that'd be PRO terrorism; that's as perverse, ridiculous, logic-defying, and as insultingly false as it gets.

Yours is a country, as I've shown elsewhere, that has a 'highly curious' way of defining terrorism, in any case. I've posted an example (post number 8 of this very thread; I suggest you review it) ... and a very recently dated one at that, the report dated 2018 !! ... of where a Westerner is regarded in Turkey as a terrorist, just through his action of disseminating 'pro-Gospel material'. This gives me no confidence that Turkish people don't redefine terrorism just as they choose to, at any given moment ... so you'll forgive me if I fail to believe you !!

You may, now, want to take up my suggestion of starting a 'The Criminal East' thread.

Or, you may not.

Somehow, I doubt you ever will ... :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Drummond]

They are not kurds, they are terrorists, they are also recognized as terrorists by US and by many other countries. On the other hand, it does not matter even if you would not recognize them as terrorists. So does not matter whether or not you reject that 2x2=4, its still 4 even if you reject to face with that fact.

There are at least 5 million kurds living in Turkiye. The estimated number of current terrorist population in Turkiye borders is 700. So %0.01 of total Kurdish population. There are at least 3 million Syrian migrants in Turkiye and 800.000 of them are Syrian kurds. There are maximum 60.000 US backed and funded terror groups in Syria, so %13 of total Kurdish population living in the region. While about %25 of these 60.000 population is persons under 18 years old forced to fight and I dont know the rate of it but big part of these 60.000 population is also women. And another big part of this population is loca people living in the region and forced to fight for terror groups, another point Turkish military experts says the 60.000 number is impossible and quite exaggerated.

H'm. What did I just post about Turkey's 'curious' way of defining terrorism ?

Farah, submit proof, beyond doubt, of our (i.e Western) 'support' of terrorism ... don't merely allege it. Prove that there's even a miniscule content of truth in what you're saying. PROVE YOUR CASE.

But ... you can't. Can you, Farah ?
I'm sure that none of us believe you'd make that effort, because, of course, you can't. Come on ... prove me wrong ... :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rofl1::rofl1:

[jimnyc]

Delusional, the only explanation.

Terrorism is within Turkey. Terrorism is all around Turkey.

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Here's travel advice, and not from the US, but from the UK. I suppose it's all lies! And what is the magnet for all the terrorist scum within Turkey?

Terrorists are very likely to try to carry out attacks in Turkey. A number of terrorist groups are active. Since 2015 there has been an increase in PKK (Kurdish separatist) terrorist activity in south-east Turkey. There have been a number of attacks by other groups including suicide attacks by Daesh (formerly referred to as ISIL), attacks by the far left DHKP(C) and the Kurdish separatist group TAK, including in cities such as Ankara and Istanbul. Terrorist groups, including Daesh and the TAK, have publicly threatened to attack tourist sites in Turkey.

Attacks could be indiscriminate, affecting major events or large public gatherings. Be vigilant around significant religious occasions and public holidays; terrorist groups sometimes call for attacks around these times.

There is a heightened risk of terrorist attack against the aviation industry in Turkey. You should co-operate fully with security officials at airports.

On 1 January 2017, there was an attack on the Reina nightclub in Ortakoy, Istanbul; 39 people were killed and 69 injured.

On 10 December 2016, a car bomb exploded near the Besiktas football stadium in the Macka/Dolmabahce area of Istanbul. 44 people, mostly police officers, were killed, and over 150 injured.

On 24 November 2016, a bomb exploded near the Governor’s office in Adana. 2 people were killed and 21 injured.

On 14 October 2016, a rocket attack took place on the outskirts of Antalya towards Kemer; no casualties were reported. Separately on 14 October 2016, attacks also took place against the Turkish military in Hakkari, Diyarbakir, Van and Adiyaman resulting in 13 injuries to service personnel

On 6 October 2016, an explosion occurred near a police headquarters in the Yenibosna area on the European side of Istanbul

On 24 August 2016, a roadside bomb injured 2 Gendarmerie officers on the Antalya – Kemer road near Topcam.

On 20 August 2016, an attack on a wedding party in Gaziantep killed more than 50 people and injured around 100.

On 28 June 2016, Ataturk International Airport in Istanbul was attacked. More than 40 people were killed.

On 7 June 2016, a bomb attack in the Vezneciler area of Istanbul killed 7 police officers and 4 civilians. 36 people were injured.

On 1 May 2016, a bomb attack at the Central Police Station in Gaziantep killed two police officers and injured 23 others.

On 27 April 2016, there was a suspected suicide bomb attack at Bursa Ulu Mosque. The bomber was killed and 7 people slightly injured.

On 19 March 2016, there was a suicide bomb attack against tourists on Istiklal St in Istanbul, in which 4 tourists died and at least 36 people were injured.

On 13 March 2016, a bombing in Kizilay Square, central Ankara killed more than 30 people.

On 17 February 2016, a large bomb attack near a military barracks on Eskisehir Road in Ankara killed 28 people.

On 12 January 2016, a suicide bomb attack in Sultanahmet in Istanbul killed 10 tourists.

Extremist groups based in Syria including ANF (Al Nusra Front) and Daesh have the capacity to carry out attacks in neighbouring countries, including Turkey.

Daesh has targeted border crossings and nearby locations on the Syrian side of the border. The Turkish government have said that Daesh was responsible for the 12 January 2016 attack in Istanbul in which 10 foreign tourists were killed, the 19 March attack in which 4 foreign tourists were killed, the 1 May attack in Gaziantep in which 2 police officers were killed and the 28 June attack on Istanbul Airport in which more than 40 people were killed.

There’s a domestic terrorist presence in the south east of the country including in Van, Bitlis, Bingol, Elazig, Mus, Batman, Erzincan, Diyarbakir and Agri provinces. In December 2012 talks began between the Turkish Government and the Kurdish aligned PKK (proscribed as a terrorist group in the UK), during which the PKK observed a ceasefire. However, following the Suruc bombing on 20 July 2015, the ceasefire ended when the PKK killed 2 Turkish police officers.

15 August is the anniversary of the first PKK attack against Turkish government installations. Historically, this anniversary date has prompted an escalation of violence by the PKK and other splinter groups. Since the end of July 2015 there has been an intensive period of violent incidents in Turkey’s south-east and eastern provinces. The vast majority of these incidents have been PKK attacks on Turkish security forces, their premises and vehicles, in which many members of the armed forces and police have been killed and injured. There have also been attacks on infrastructure (eg oil pipelines, dams) and incidents in which civilians have been affected. The government has responded with arrests of PKK suspects in Turkey and air-strikes on PKK positions in northern Iraq.

The anti-western, far left, proscribed terrorist group, THKP/C-Acilciler (Turkish People’s Liberation Party/Front) and the linked DHKP/C (Revolutionary People’s Liberation Front) remain active, and launched a series of attacks in Istanbul in 2015 targeting the Turkish police and judiciary. The DHKP/C attacks have mainly targeted the Turkish authorities and US diplomatic missions.

Between approximately 30 March and 20 April, there are several dates significant to the DHKP/C, starting with the 30 March anniversary of their founding which may have been linked to previous attacks. 19 December is also recognised as an important date around which the DHKP/C may be active.

Methods of attack have included armed assaults, suicide bombings, car bombings and rocket attacks and improvised explosive devices left in refuse bins, crowded areas and on public transport. Be vigilant, monitor media reports and keep up to date with the travel advice.

There’s a heightened threat of terrorist attack globally against UK interests and British nationals, from groups or individuals motivated by the conflict in Iraq and Syria. You should be vigilant at this time.

Find out more about the global threat from terrorism, how to minimise your risk and what to do in the event of a terrorist attack.

Kidnapping
There is a threat of kidnapping near the Syrian border in Turkey.

Terrorist groups operating in Syria, including Daesh routinely use kidnapping as a tactic. They’re present in the Syrian border areas and are capable of conducting kidnappings from across the border. Daesh and other terrorist groups view those engaged in humanitarian aid work or journalism as legitimate targets. If you’re kidnapped, the reason for your presence is unlikely to serve as protection or secure your safe release.

The long-standing policy of the British government is not to make substantive concessions to hostage takers. The British government considers that paying ransoms and releasing prisoners increases the risk of further hostage taking.

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/turkey/terrorism

[jimnyc]

In fact, the more I read about this 3rd world shithole, the less I like about it. I thought the "smelly people" thing was a joke, but the endless articles state otherwise! Apparently the invention of soap and shampoo is not widely known in Turkey.

But terrorism and radicals, now that's something apparently most there are born into.

[jimnyc]

Reading another article to try and understand why Turkish folks bathe less, or smell ---- and one writer states that it's because Turkish folks are actually primitive monkeys. Ok, that would make sense at least.

[Farah]

You're not going to convince anyone here

I am not trying to convince someones to somethings. I share informations and it is your personal choice to be "convinced" or not, its your problem. 2x2 is 4 and your convincion has no power on it or on any other information
.

[jimnyc]

I am not trying to convince someones to somethings. I share informations and it is your personal choice to be "convinced" or not, its your problem. 2x2 is 4 and your convincion has no power on it or on any other information
.

And everything you have posted thus far has been proven wrong, while you outright ignore the TRUTH because it offends you.

And you're correct, muslims ignoring and lying about the truth - doesn't change the truth that we all see.

:spit:

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I am not trying to convince someones to somethings. I share informations and it is your personal choice to be "convinced" or not, its your problem. 2x2 is 4 and your convincion has no power on it or on any other information
.
..... :blah: ..... :blah: ..... :blah: ..... :blah: ..... you're sounding like a broken record now.....:talk2hand:

"I share informations"... no... you post bull shit, and then talk like a brain dead goat turd.

That's your problem.

[jimnyc]

If no terrorism or terrorists in Turkey, then why the warnings in so many areas? This one from NZ:

Do not travel within 10 kilometres of the border with Syria due to the threat of terrorism, kidnapping and the potential for violence associated with the ongoing conflict in Syria.

Do not travel to the city of Diyarbakir in south-east Turkey due to the risk of terrorism, civil unrest and the unpredictable security situation.

Avoid non-essential travel to the provinces of Diyarbakir, Gaziantep, Hakkari, Hatay, Kilis, Mardin, Sanliurfa, Sirnak, Siirt, and Tunceli in south-east Turkey due to the unpredictable security situation and the threat of terrorism and kidnapping.

Exercise increased caution elsewhere in Turkey, including in Ankara and Istanbul, due to the heightened threat of terrorism and the potential for civil unrest.

Terrorists are likely to carry out further attacks in Turkey. Terrorist groups, including those based in Syria and Iraq as well as domestic-based extremists, such as TAK, PKK and DHKP/C, have conducted attacks in Turkey and continue to threaten further attacks.

[Abbey Marie]

Really? "There is no terrorism in Turkey".

Then WHY are you all murdering all those kurds and in your own words in your own threads calling them terrorists?

You are dumber than I thought. And a terrible liar. You and I both know you're full of shit. You're an entitled, "educated" Turk. I can smell it on you from HERE. "Educated" meaning by Turkish standards, not ours.

I got your name and I got your number, Turk. You don't speak like a run if the mill gutter Turk. That means entitled class. You're completely brainwashed into the government lie so deeply you can't even catch your own obvious contradictions of your own words. You have media access and haven't been shut down which means you're being a good little Turk and spouting the party line or your computer access would be gone. If you were lucky it's all you'd lose.

Problem with all that is you are ignorant, uneducated in a worldly sense, and naive. You DO make a good parrot though. You wouldn't know the truth if it landed on your head, and then, wouldn't admit that's what put the dent in your head if your government told you it didn't.

Need I remind you I lived in Turkey? You can't lie on this message board. Why don't you try acting like a normal human being and getting along? I don't need you to tell me nor anyone here what you Turks think of Americans. Want to REALLY contribute to your society? Buy everyone a bar of soap and some deodorant.

Here’s the disconnect: Muslims, no matter how vicious and violent, cannot be terrorists. They are doing Allah’s work, dontcha know?

[jimnyc]

Here’s the disconnect: Muslims, no matter how vicious and violent, cannot be terrorists. They are doing Allah’s work, dontcha know?

Remind you of someone, anyone, that may have been muslim....

"They are not muslims, real muslims wouldn't do that".

Yeah, sure, brainwashed knuckleheads. And she, they, he likely all believe that crap, that's how far gone and radical they are.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Here’s the disconnect: Muslims, no matter how vicious and violent, cannot be terrorists. They are doing Allah’s work, dontcha know?
The same as black people crying about no blacks in the Rockettes line up, while hosting their Miss Black America pageant with no white girls in it.

It's blatant hypocrisy and a double standard on steroids, and then they act as though everyone must just be too STUPID to see it.

[jimnyc]

More on the stench...

And at least watch the opening, it's from THEIR RELIGION, not mine, their own words...

'How to smell like muhammed' --- or ' How to smell like your idol the pedo'

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Muslim sources report not only that Muhammad's followers would rub his spit on their bodies, but also that they would collect his sweat to use as perfume. Given the excessive reverence for Muhammad in Islam's most trusted sources, how can Muslims continue to claim that they do not idolize Muhammad?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzZQ89MWbyk

[Farah]

Turkish Airforces shot 20 terrorists in Gara region of Iraq.


We shot your allies, stop us if you can.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Remind you of someone, anyone, that may have been muslim....

"They are not muslims, real muslims wouldn't do that".

Yeah, sure, brainwashed knuckleheads. And she, they, he likely all believe that crap, that's how far gone and radical they are.
It is brain washing, big time. The moslems brain wash their kids from birth, so they really have no idea they even are. When they're faced with facts that contradict their brain washing, it just blows through their head and none of it is absorbed, because they can't even comprehend it as being the truth.

THAT is what this little twirp is about.

[jimnyc]

Turkish Airforces shot 20 terrorists in Gara region of Iraq.


We shot your allies, stop us if you can.

You scumbags will ultimately do yourselves in. That's what scumbag terrorists and radicals do. And your military is a joke next to ours. PC is the only reason we don't dispatch of your country in less than 30 minutes.

We have no reason or desire to come near you filthbags. You keep your terrorists and your nasty smelling selves over there.

WHY do you support little girls being raped? Is pedophilia allowed in Turkey?

The FACT that you support the rape of young girls is all I need to know, you disgusting smelly fuck.

[Farah]

In next few days, American soldiers will hide in buildings when we enter the regions where they have bases in Northern Syria. Loca sources also says many of them fled to south, out of declared operation zone.

[jimnyc]

I have ZERO sympathy for ALL muslims, none. If they want to support and idolize pedophilia, then let them reap the rewards of what they support. If they want to support radicals and terrorists, then I hope the endless numbers of ALL deaths to ALL muslims just continue to rise.

Because that's the beauty. This nitwit talks of the east and all that crap - and yet 99.999% of terrorists that ARE muslim ARE over there, the way it should be. Let them scumbags all blow themselves up. Now all we have to do is figure out a way to minimize any of them coming here and doing as they please. If up to me, I WOULD in fact ban Islam. And I would drop nukes on Turkey in the hopes of taking this idiot out, and all of her terrorist relatives.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Turkish Airforces shot 20 terrorists in Gara region of Iraq.


We shot your allies, stop us if you can.
She says... "I'm not anti American"... and then this... ^^^

Are you now THREATENING us?

[jimnyc]

In next few days, American soldiers will hide in buildings when we enter the regions where they have bases in Northern Syria. Loca sources also says many of them fled to south, out of declared operation zone.

Wrong, and no one even blinks reading your BS. Turkish soldiers ain't do crap to us, and that's because they can't.

I have just read that the leaders of Turkey send $$$$ supporting terrorism both around the world and within Turkey, and that of course the local muslims all support this with their $$$ as well - because their own blood are those holding the bombs.

They dream of getting America, as when you're eating grass and dog, and smell like feces and sweat - you too would be upset with those who have everything and laugh at you. :lol:

[High_Plains_Drifter]

In next few days, American soldiers will hide in buildings when we enter the regions where they have bases in Northern Syria. Loca sources also says many of them fled to south, out of declared operation zone.
So now you're turning to THREATENING us, and talking TRASH about our military. This is where you're going to get yourself in trouble, you little smells like spit and shit ass clown.

[jimnyc]

She says... "I'm not anti American"... and then this... ^^^

Are you now THREATENING us?

Notice no links, she's just making shit up now out of thin air. It's kinda funny, so long as you ain't the one wearing a ton of Chanel #5 to cover up your own body odor, instead of taking 30 minutes to bathe ones self.

Yuk!

[jimnyc]

So now you're turning to THREATENING us, and talking TRASH about our military. This is where you're going to get yourself in trouble, you little smells like spit and shit ass clown.

You know, and I know - we could destroy shithole turkey with a few of our attack heli's and call it a day.

Meanwhile, she idolizes a pedophile and dreams of wearing his sweat and armpit smell to be like him!! :lol:

[Abbey Marie]

I am not trying to convince someones to somethings. I share informations and it is your personal choice to be "convinced" or not, its your problem. 2x2 is 4 and your convincion has no power on it or on any other information
.

So, Farah, is your profile a pic of the only part of your entire body you are allowed to show?

[jimnyc]

So, Farah, is your profile a pic of the only part of your entire body you are allowed to show?

LOL as if you would get the truth either way. Likely a younger girl rambling about and talking smack - since the only smack she would get otherwise is from muslim men for having an opinion. She sounds like a very angry young turk, angry with muslims and for having been born into a smelly society that makes her rebel. :laugh:

[jimnyc]

Well, now THIS explains a lot! There is more, but this is more than I needed to know as it is.

I will NEVER EVER EVER shake hands or touch a muslim again. YUK!

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Islamic Toilet Etiquette

Question: What are the rules and manners to be followed when answering the call of nature?

ANSWER
1. When entering the toilet, one should say the A'udhu (isti'adha) and Basmala and then recite the prayer "Allahumma innee a'oodhu bika minal khubthi wal khabaa-ith."

2. When entering the toilet, one should not have in one's hand anything on which the name of Allahu ta'ala or any verse of the Qur'an al-karim is written. There is no objection if it is in one's pocket or covered with something. Similarly, when stepping into the toilet, one should not be wearing a pendant with the name of Allah on it. If one has, one should tuck it inside the neck of one's sweater before entering it.

3. It is permissible to enter the toilet with an amulet if it is covered properly.

4. One should enter the toilet with one's left foot and exit with one's right foot.

5. One should recite the prayer "Alhamdu-lil-laa-hil-la-dhi adh-haba 'a-nil a-dhaa wa 'a-faa-ni" when exiting the toilet.

6. One should not talk or sit for a long time or read anything like a newspaper or sing a song or smoke or chew gum in the toilet.

7. After cleaning one's private parts, one should cover them immediately.

8. One should neither face the Qibla nor turn one's back toward it while urinating or defecating.

9. One should remove the feces on one's anus with one's finger and wash one's hand. If there are still traces of filth, one should wash them with water.

10. When cleaning the private parts after answering the call of nature, men should wash them from the back to the front. Women should wash them from the front to the back. Thus, the genitals will not be smeared with filth, nor will it cause one to be sexually aroused by the stimulation of fingers.

11. One should dry one's private parts with a cloth after washing them. If there is not a cloth available, it is permissible to use toilet paper because toilet paper is produced to be used after answering the call of nature. But using other kinds of paper for this purpose is not permissible.

12. One should sprinkle some water over one's underpants after cleaning one's private parts. By doing so, when one notices wetness on one's underpants, one will not feel doubt as to whether it is urine or not. One should assume it to be the sprinkled water and should not fall into baseless misgivings (waswasa).

Rest - http://myreligionislam.com/detail.asp?Aid=6096

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Notice no links, she's just making shit up now out of thin air. It's kinda funny, so long as you ain't the one wearing a ton of Chanel #5 to cover up your own body odor, instead of taking 30 minutes to bathe ones self.

Yuk!
That's what I WAS going to say... "LINK?" But I knew she'd just ignore that, and probably regurgitate some pathetic garbage, "I no need to prove anything to you."

She's a little brain washed imbecile. I'd say she's maybe 10. This is a game to her here. I don't she really even knows what the hell she's doing. She's just repeating things she hears from the men that treat her like a dog, and then she lies, and pretends she's somehow superior, all while not even knowing that she's sounding like a total moron.

[Farah]

So, Farah, is your profile a pic of the only part of your entire body you are allowed to show?


Why I should show my body to someones ? I can wear whatever I want.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Well, now THIS explains a lot! There is more, but this is more than I needed to know as it is.

I will NEVER EVER EVER shake hands or touch a muslim again. YUK!

---

Islamic Toilet Etiquette

Question: What are the rules and manners to be followed when answering the call of nature?

ANSWER
1. When entering the toilet, one should say the A'udhu (isti'adha) and Basmala and then recite the prayer "Allahumma innee a'oodhu bika minal khubthi wal khabaa-ith."

2. When entering the toilet, one should not have in one's hand anything on which the name of Allahu ta'ala or any verse of the Qur'an al-karim is written. There is no objection if it is in one's pocket or covered with something. Similarly, when stepping into the toilet, one should not be wearing a pendant with the name of Allah on it. If one has, one should tuck it inside the neck of one's sweater before entering it.

3. It is permissible to enter the toilet with an amulet if it is covered properly.

4. One should enter the toilet with one's left foot and exit with one's right foot.

5. One should recite the prayer "Alhamdu-lil-laa-hil-la-dhi adh-haba 'a-nil a-dhaa wa 'a-faa-ni" when exiting the toilet.

6. One should not talk or sit for a long time or read anything like a newspaper or sing a song or smoke or chew gum in the toilet.

7. After cleaning one's private parts, one should cover them immediately.

8. One should neither face the Qibla nor turn one's back toward it while urinating or defecating.

9. One should remove the feces on one's anus with one's finger and wash one's hand. If there are still traces of filth, one should wash them with water.

10. When cleaning the private parts after answering the call of nature, men should wash them from the back to the front. Women should wash them from the front to the back. Thus, the genitals will not be smeared with filth, nor will it cause one to be sexually aroused by the stimulation of fingers.

11. One should dry one's private parts with a cloth after washing them. If there is not a cloth available, it is permissible to use toilet paper because toilet paper is produced to be used after answering the call of nature. But using other kinds of paper for this purpose is not permissible.

12. One should sprinkle some water over one's underpants after cleaning one's private parts. By doing so, when one notices wetness on one's underpants, one will not feel doubt as to whether it is urine or not. One should assume it to be the sprinkled water and should not fall into baseless misgivings (waswasa).

Rest - http://myreligionislam.com/detail.asp?Aid=6096
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[High_Plains_Drifter]

Why I should show my body to someones ? I can wear whatever I want.
No you can't.

[Farah]

That's what I WAS going to say... "LINK?" But I knew she'd just ignore that.

You have closed my first topic where I share informations with links. So you are not interested with link. You were also denying the links in that closed topic, for examle once you said the link belongs to a political opposition, so its not reliable.

[NightTrain]

Why I should show my body to someones ? I can wear whatever I want.


You live in an Islamic dictatorship.

Are you saying that you wouldn't be stoned to death if you went out wearing a pair of jeans and a t-shirt?

You could go out in public, by yourself, dressed like this?

11843

[jimnyc]

You have closed my first topic where I share informations with links. So you are not interested with link. You were also denying the links in that closed topic, for examle once you said the link belongs to a political opposition, so its not reliable.

That is 100% false and he cannot close threads. And any older threads have NOTHING to do with stories you are now posting.

You will find ANY WAY you can to avoid the truth and backing up your lies. We have seen this dance from muslims already, you are not showing us anything new - just regurgitated muslim MS.

GO WASH YOUR HANDS YOU FILTH.

[tailfins]

Why I should show my body to someones ? I can wear whatever I want.

Attractive women are proud of their bodies. Notice how happy and joyful women are at Brazilian Carnaval.




*** Edited by NT ***


Do that again, Tailfins, and you'll get a size 13 digital boot in your ass again.

[jimnyc]

"I can wear whatever I want, and this is what I choose"

https://i.imgur.com/ox9lNo9.jpg

[jimnyc]

Attractive women are proud of their bodies. Notice how happy and joyful women are at Brazilian Carnaval.




*** Edited by NT ***


Do that again, Tailfins, and you'll get a size 13 digital boot in your ass again.

Tailfins, you should know better - NO NUDITY on this board, as it only will illicit more from others. No nudity is acceptable. Also - I know it's hard to distinguish when speaking to a "thing" that wipes with it's hand and approves of pedophilia - but there are women that post/read here.

[jimnyc]

And this is where the twit gets her information from. If they jail all the journalists, then you know they are controlling the news as well. And this is far from a one time thing, but a yearly in and out thing for them.

---

After Relentless Defense of Khashoggi, Turkey Named World’s Worst Jailer of Journalists

The Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) published its annual report on imprisoned journalists on Thursday, and perennial champion Turkey once again leads the league although competition for the title of world’s worst persecutor of the press was distressingly vigorous.

CPJ noted the past three years featured the highest number of imprisoned journalists since the organization began keeping score. “Turkey, China, and Egypt were responsible for more than half of those jailed around the world for the third year in a row,” the report observed.

The CPJ report made an effort to conflate the incarceration and murder of journalists around the world with U.S. President Donald Trump’s habit of criticizing the American media in blunt terms:


The majority of those imprisoned globally – 70 percent – are facing anti-state charges such as belonging to or aiding groups deemed by authorities as terrorist organizations. The number imprisoned on charges of false news rose to 28 globally, compared with nine just two years ago. Egypt jailed the most journalists on false news charges with 19, followed by Cameroon with four, Rwanda with three, and one each in China and Morocco. The increase comes amid heightened global rhetoric about “fake news,” of which U.S. President Donald Trump is the leading voice.

https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2018/12/14/after-relentless-defense-of-khashoggi-turkey-named-worlds-worst-jailer-of-journalists/

[tailfins]

Tailfins, you should know better - NO NUDITY on this board, as it only will illicit more from others. No nudity is acceptable. Also - I know it's hard to distinguish when speaking to a "thing" that wipes with it's hand and approves of pedophilia - but there are women that post/read here.

I thought the paint would be enough for it to slide by. No worries.

[jimnyc]

I thought the paint would be enough for it to slide by. No worries.

Perhaps, and that's my initial thought as well - and would be the initial thought of everyone else when they in turn start posting nudes they think are ok.

[Black Diamond]

Perhaps, and that's my initial thought as well - and would be the initial thought of everyone else when they in turn start posting nudes they think are ok.

I am gonna post nude pictures of my cat. And you can't stop me. :cool:

[Abbey Marie]

Why I should show my body to someones ? I can wear whatever I want.

Wow, you couldn't even answer a simple question. Yes or No would have sufficed. No one asked you to show anything to anyone.

[Gunny]

They are not kurds, they are terrorists, they are also recognized as terrorists by US and by many other countries. On the other hand, it does not matter even if you would not recognize them as terrorists. So does not matter whether or not you reject that 2x2=4, its still 4 even if you reject to face with that fact.

There are at least 5 million kurds living in Turkiye. The estimated number of current terrorist population in Turkiye borders is 700. So %0.01 of total Kurdish population. There are at least 3 million Syrian migrants in Turkiye and 800.000 of them are Syrian kurds. There are maximum 60.000 US backed and funded terror groups in Syria, so %13 of total Kurdish population living in the region. While about %25 of these 60.000 population is persons under 18 years old forced to fight and I dont know the rate of it but big part of these 60.000 population is also women. And another big part of this population is loca people living in the region and forced to fight for terror groups, another point Turkish military experts says the 60.000 number is impossible and quite exaggerated.Did you miss your last bust? "They are not Turks". Guess they were born in the fucking Milky Way.

You are so trying to play pick and choose. Are you and Pete related? They are Turkish terrorists but then again, they aren't Turks. Gee, WHERE is the YPg and PKK? Oh. Turkey.

I know. Let's kill kurds in Syria to stop the YPg and PKK in Turkey :rolleyes: There's a brilliant idea. Going to invent boiling water next?

[Gunny]

"I can wear whatever I want, and this is what I choose"

https://i.imgur.com/ox9lNo9.jpgAddressing a woman with her children without addressing the male first/no male present in Islam is NOT an honest mistake.

She can be beaten. To death.

Tell me I'm wrong Farah. You want to play the down and dirty ... let's ...

[Gunny]

Tailfins, you should know better - NO NUDITY on this board, as it only will illicit more from others. No nudity is acceptable. Also - I know it's hard to distinguish when speaking to a "thing" that wipes with it's hand and approves of pedophilia - but there are women that post/read here.

Talifins has been gushing over her since Post # 1. Her family would murder him and leave him in alley.

[Gunny]

You have closed my first topic where I share informations with links. So you are not interested with link. You were also denying the links in that closed topic, for examle once you said the link belongs to a political opposition, so its not reliable.Isn't that what you are saying? I know for a fact at least one individual jas been careful of the links he provides so you don't get your young ass in trouble. Yet you have dismissed everything anyone has posted on here to refute what is obvious BS from you.

Here's a clue for you, Turk. You may speak English. Doing damned good for a Turk, IMO. But you don't speak our language. You are repeatedly making a fool of yourself. There is more to a language than syntax.

[Farah]

That is 100% false and he cannot close threads. And any older threads have NOTHING to do with stories you are now posting.

You will find ANY WAY you can to avoid the truth and backing up your lies. We have seen this dance from muslims already, you are not showing us anything new - just regurgitated muslim MS.

GO WASH YOUR HANDS YOU FILTH.


English language has some lacks, for example it does not have a word to meet second plural person. When I say "you", I use it in plural meaning, so it means the forum people and who is able to close it.

[jimnyc]

Like your new avatar, shows I was right if that is in fact you, that you are a child still.

[Farah]

I know. Let's kill kurds in Syria to stop the YPg and PKK in Turkey :rolleyes: There's a brilliant idea. Going to invent boiling water next?


As I said, they are not "Kurds", they are terrorists that also recognized as terrorists by your country. If Kurdish people in general were supporting them, they would not have any problem about finding someones to fight for them but they are having such a problem and trying to find someones by force. They take at least one person from every family in the regions they invade in Northern Syria and most of the time they take all the males in a family, if there is no male they take women. They also murder any other Kurdish opposition leaders that does not agrees with them. So these "peaceful", "isis killer", "democratic" US backed terror groups have murdered at least 40 opposition Kurdish leaders. Most of the Kurdish tribes living in the region hates them, therefore they are forcing them to migrate, 800.000 of them currently in Turkiye, and they replace them with Kurdish tribes supports them but living somewhere else.

[Farah]

Like your new avatar, shows I was right if that is in fact you, that you are a child still.


I will remove it soon and I am not kid.

[Black Diamond]

English language has some lacks, for example it does not have a word to meet second plural person. When I say "you", I use it in plural meaning, so it means the forum people and who is able to close it.

You finally said something that has truth.

[Black Diamond]

Talifins has been gushing over her since Post # 1. Her family would murder him and leave him in alley.

:laugh:

[jimnyc]

I will remove it soon and I am not kid.

Couldn't care less if you use it or remove it. And yes, whoever that is, is a child - or a very young woman. Which explains a lot. And in my world, when it comes to learning and understanding - and also honesty and so much other LEARNED behavior... I call a kid basically anyone under 25, even if truly it should be anyone under 18 being a kid. Either way, I can tell you are one that lives based on what you were told and what little access you have learned on your own. You aren't speaking of experience and actual knowledge, as many of us here speak from.

But whether explained away by age or not - you are full of regurgitated bullshit.

[jimnyc]

:laugh:

I think in truth - tailfins likes a woman that will be obedient to him and for him. And with muslim women he very may well find what it is he may be looking for, as they live a life of being obedient to the men.

[Gunny]

As I said, they are not "Kurds", they are terrorists that also recognized as terrorists by your country. If Kurdish people in general were supporting them, they would not have any problem about finding someones to fight for them but they are having such a problem and trying to find someones by force. They take at least one person from every family in the regions they invade in Northern Syria and most of the time they take all the males in a family, if there is no male they take women. They also murder any other Kurdish opposition leaders that does not agrees with them. So these "peaceful", "isis killer", "democratic" US backed terror groups have murdered at least 40 opposition Kurdish leaders. Most of the Kurdish tribes living in the region hates them, therefore they are forcing them to migrate, 800.000 of them currently in Turkiye, and they replace them with Kurdish tribes supports them but living somewhere else.^yawn* Semantics?

You are really grade school.

Here's how this works. Get a clue, Turk. Pull your head out of your ass and treat these people like they they know what's going on, or I'm going to forget the part where i'm trying to be nice. For THEIR sake. Not yours. They want to give you a chance.

I'll bury your ass in an unmarked, unwashed grave, raghead. Soon as I get a green light. SInce you're a Turk, I represent the people of this board and to fuck with them is to fuck with me. And I got a hair trigger.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

English language has some lacks, for example it does not have a word to meet second plural person. When I say "you", I use it in plural meaning, so it means the forum people and who is able to close it.
Yes we do have, you just don't have the proper command of the English language.

Just for your information, Jim owns this board, and if you had paid any attention to the information at the bottom of the board, you'd see that people with their name in red are board administrators, and people with their name in green are board moderators, and people with their name in gold are ones who have made a donation to the board to help Jim pay the bills and keep it running, and people with their name in normal black font are people like you that are none of the afore mentioned. So you could have specified who you assumed closed the thread but you didn't.

And your new avatar pic? Why did you do that? I didn't think you had anything to prove. And the hat is obviously a photoshop add-on.

[jimnyc]

Yes we do have, you just don't have the proper command of the English language.

Just for you information, Jim owns this board, and if you had paid any attention to the information at the bottom of the board, you'd see that people with their name in red are board administrators, and people with their name in green are board moderators, and people with their name in gold are ones who have made a donation to the board to help Jim pay the bills and keep it running, and people with their name in normal black font are people like you that are none of the afore mentioned. So you could have specified who you assumed closed the thread but you didn't.

And your new avatar pic? Why did you do that? I didn't think you had anything to prove. And the hat is obviously a photoshop add-on.

Yep, good catch, lame attempt to prove what she said earlier about some American hat. What a stupid muslim dipshit! :laugh:

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I will remove it soon and I am not kid.
You might think your shit don't stink in Turkey, but it does here, little girl... you poked the hornet's nest.

You have more to learn about the world than I forgot, and is the same with most here. This board is filled with United States military veterans, and we know damn well that what you THINK you know could fit in a THIMBLE.

[jimnyc]

Based in the 2 pics provided, I still stand by my "child" comment. The age AND factoring in the babyish take on "criminals" she wants to make everyone out to be, 'cept for any muslims/Turks. In other words, debating and discussing like a child.

https://i.imgur.com/zNWym7g.png

[Gunny]

You might think your shit don't stink in Turkey, but it does here, little girl... you poked the hornet's nest.

You have more to learn about the world than I forgot, and is the same with most here. This board is filled with United States military veterans, and we know damn well that what you THINK you know could fit in a THIMBLE.She is a Turk first. Don't confuse her religion with that.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Based in the 2 pics provided, I still stand by my "child" comment. The age AND factoring in the babyish take on "criminals" she wants to make everyone out to be, 'cept for any muslims/Turks. In other words, debating and discussing like a child.

https://i.imgur.com/zNWym7g.png
She has a whole ZERO followers... well there's a clue... pfft... "criminal westt"... stick up your ass, bitch.

She's nothing but a filthy turk muslim propaganda dump...

https://i.ibb.co/WkymQpq/prop-dump.jpg

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Well golly gee... look who she follows...

https://i.ibb.co/ZmWVQ4S/DUMP2.jpg


https://i.ibb.co/0J89D5C/DUMP3.jpg

[jimnyc]

Well golly gee... look who she follows...



And now you see how she "learns" and where she gets her "news" from! :laugh::laugh:

[tailfins]

She has a whole ZERO followers... well there's a clue... pfft... "criminal westt"... stick up your ass, bitch.

She's nothing but a filthy turk muslim propaganda dump...

Do you rag on the waitresses at Hooters, assuming your wife lets you go there? Farah is a cute, dippy chick. Why are you taking her seriously? Earlier this month in San Marcos my wife and I saw this co-ed with reconquista and Latin Power patches all over her backpack. I just stared at her ass and enjoyed the view. And yes, my wife knows it's not her place to complain about it. You're not supposed to takes a chick's opinion seriously!

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Do you rag on the waitresses at Hooters, assuming your wife lets you go there? Farah is a cute, dippy chick. Why are you taking her seriously? Earlier this month in San Marcos my wife and I saw this co-ed with reconquista and Latin Power patches all over her backpack. I just stared at her ass and enjoyed the view. And yes, my wife knows it's not her place to complain about it. You're not supposed to takes a chick's opinion seriously!
I'm not married... and I don't equate looks solely with beauty. She's a NASTY little SKANK, period. What's inside her head is as ugly as the devil himself.

For Christ sake, get a clue, bro.

And I have no idea where a Hooters even is. I live in a small town in the middle of nowhere, Wisconsin. We don't have trashy places like that around here for 50 miles in any direction.

[Abbey Marie]

Do you rag on the waitresses at Hooters, assuming your wife lets you go there? Farah is a cute, dippy chick. Why are you taking her seriously? Earlier this month in San Marcos my wife and I saw this co-ed with reconquista and Latin Power patches all over her backpack. I just stared at her ass and enjoyed the view. And yes, my wife knows it's not her place to complain about it. You're not supposed to takes a chick's opinion seriously!

You do realize that no one here takes your opinion seriously, right?

[tailfins]

You do realize that no one here takes your opinion seriously, right?

Funny how that works, given that I generally vote for and support the same political candidates. This is a good place to stay comfortable with dealing with people on an adversarial basis. Knowing how to communicate information among an adversarial crowd without being sucked in is a good skill to keep sharp.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Funny how that works, given that I generally vote for and support the same political candidates. This is a good place to stay comfortable with dealing with people on an adversarial basis. Knowing how to communicate information among an adversarial crowd without being sucked in is a good skill to keep sharp.
What's really funny is how you think a nasty little muslim twat is CUTE when she no doubt hates you just as much as she hates the rest of us.

[Drummond]

I am not trying to convince someones to somethings. I share informations and it is your personal choice to be "convinced" or not, its your problem. 2x2 is 4 and your convincion has no power on it or on any other information
.

I posted far more text in my post than you've been willing to consider. Care to consider any of it now ? Here, use this link:

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?65051-Terrorism-in-Turkey&p=923463#post923463

Presumably not, though.

2x2 is indeed 4. Inferring it might well be 4665, because someone alleges it might be, then summarily believing the allegation, is no logical way to proceed.

Likewise, with your posts: many hold mere allegations. When you do post 'supportive' material, it tends to come from your home-grown sources, whose biases aren't immediately quantifiable (.. unless, what's claimed is so fantasist that bias MUST be at work !!).

One such fantasist claim you've insisted upon is that the West supports terrorism. WE DO NOT. I've asked you to prove otherwise, to show us that the West definitely does. You haven't yet risen to the challenge -- but, naturally.

For myself, I say: let's see clear evidence showing you're right. Facts - figures - information of a precise nature, such as exactly who's done the supporting of terrorists, what it consists of, when it was supplied, in what quantity, exactly WHAT that support was, who got it, and why. It would also be 'nice' if verification were also available, and discernible ...

You're going to duck all this -- aren't you ?

Now - honestly - WHY would that be, Farah ? Do tell .... :rolleyes:

[Drummond]

Do you rag on the waitresses at Hooters, assuming your wife lets you go there? Farah is a cute, dippy chick. Why are you taking her seriously? Earlier this month in San Marcos my wife and I saw this co-ed with reconquista and Latin Power patches all over her backpack. I just stared at her ass and enjoyed the view. And yes, my wife knows it's not her place to complain about it. You're not supposed to takes a chick's opinion seriously!

I don't care whether a contributor is a 'chick' or not, Tailfins.

I thought we agreed that individuals MATTER, as the individuals they are ?? So-called 'chicks' are also individuals. They have their rights, as do we all. If 'chicks' hold opinions, they have exactly the same right to earn the relevant respect for them, and consideration of them, as anyone else does.

I judge Farah on the quality (or otherwise !) of her contributions here. If she's classifiable as a 'chick', this has absolutely NO bearing AT ALL on what she posts, or how I must treat those posts. If she posts rubbish, I'll call her out on it, because it IS rubbish. Equally, if she posts good, reasonable, accurate, meritorious posts (.. if she ever does !!), I'll judge them on their merits, too, and I'll be unstinting in my efforts to do that.

If I ever see such a post from Farah, I'll be delighted to prove what I'm saying to her.

It's called 'being fair and reasonable', you see ....

[Drummond]

As I said, they are not "Kurds", they are terrorists that also recognized as terrorists by your country. If Kurdish people in general were supporting them, they would not have any problem about finding someones to fight for them but they are having such a problem and trying to find someones by force. They take at least one person from every family in the regions they invade in Northern Syria and most of the time they take all the males in a family, if there is no male they take women. They also murder any other Kurdish opposition leaders that does not agrees with them. So these "peaceful", "isis killer", "democratic" US backed terror groups have murdered at least 40 opposition Kurdish leaders. Most of the Kurdish tribes living in the region hates them, therefore they are forcing them to migrate, 800.000 of them currently in Turkiye, and they replace them with Kurdish tribes supports them but living somewhere else.

Many allegations here, Farah. I see zero proof, though.

My previous challenge continues. Prove Western support for terrorists happens, that it is supplied knowingly, in the knowledge that its recipients are terrorists. Facts. Figures. Detail. Let's see it all.

[tailfins]

I don't care whether a contributor is a 'chick' or not, Tailfins.

I thought we agreed that individuals MATTER, as the individuals they are ?? So-called 'chicks' are also individuals. They have their rights, as do we all. If 'chicks' hold opinions, they have exactly the same right to earn the relevant respect for them, and consideration of them, as anyone else does.

I judge Farah on the quality (or otherwise !) of her contributions here. If she's classifiable as a 'chick', this has absolutely NO bearing AT ALL on what she posts, or how I must treat those posts. If she posts rubbish, I'll call her out on it, because it IS rubbish. Equally, if she posts good, reasonable, accurate, meritorious posts (.. if she ever does !!), I'll judge them on their merits, too, and I'll be unstinting in my efforts to do that.

If I ever see such a post from Farah, I'll be delighted to prove what I'm saying to her.

It's called 'being fair and reasonable', you see ....


It boils down to what to expect from people. Yes, all are individuals, but some are to be enjoyed comically. Yet, others are to be used for any useful purpose, then avoided. I have enjoyed conversations with people I'm sure that you would consider unsavory. Watching Raul Castro's minions rant on is quite entertaining. Do it quietly however, unless you like getting arrested. If they ask why you are snickering, just say you remembered a funny joke out of the blue.

[jimnyc]

Many allegations here, Farah. I see zero proof, though.

My previous challenge continues. Prove Western support for terrorists happens, that it is supplied knowingly, in the knowledge that its recipients are terrorists. Facts. Figures. Detail. Let's see it all.

It can certainly and easily be shown that countries near and dear to her support terrorism, both morally and financially, though! But I won't bore you with details we all know too well. :) :)

[tailfins]

2x2 is indeed 4.

2x2 can be 11 if you're expressing things in base 3. Things are often not what they seem until you consider multiple perspectives.

[tailfins]

Based in the 2 pics provided, I still stand by my "child" comment. The age AND factoring in the babyish take on "criminals" she wants to make everyone out to be, 'cept for any muslims/Turks. In other words, debating and discussing like a child.

https://i.imgur.com/zNWym7g.png

Good research, Jim.

[jimnyc]

Good research, Jim.

No research, she posted the link here.

[Drummond]

I will remove it soon and I am not kid.

I've just deleted the text this post contained, in view of another post I've seen here subsequently.

The email address ending '@CRIMINAL-WESTT' .... would you, Farah, care to confirm this refers to you ?

Because, if so, it confirms something I don't believe you can credibly deny. Namely, yours is a fanatical mission dedicated to the proposition that the West 'is criminal'.

As such, you deny yourself balance, objectivity, the smallest appearance of open-mindedness. You are evidently against that which you wish to 'rail' against, namely, us, and all that (in your naive, blinkered, biased, bigoted fashion) you think may supposedly 'be true' of us.

So, what's behind all this ? Do you adhere to a religion that demands you believe all of this (Islam) ? What influences have been at work to make your thinking so closed, blinkered, one-sided ? Where does all this dysfunctional bile of yours come from ?

Are you representative of others (e.g an anti-Western grouping, an organisation, of some kind) ? Do you operate independently of others ? Is there some motivation in you directing you to follow an agenda as part of someone else's goals ?

Are you master of all that you do ?

How did you become as YOU are ? How did you become locked in such a myopic mindset, anyway ?

Please answer honestly. Please also tell us if anyone provides you with professional, remedial, help ...

[tailfins]

You need to remove it, do you, Farah ?

Could that be because you're concerned about who, in your locality, might see what you've added here ?

I'd really like to believe I'm wrong in this following conclusion, which admittedly I offer only as a belief, and not because I am totally sure I'm right. Nonetheless ... the only way, at present, I can make sense of all your posting -- in terms of its consistently held-to direction -- is to believe that something fundamental is driving a deep-seated hatred of the West in you.

Considering where you're from, and the religion prevalent in your locality, AND the demands this religion makes of its adherents .. I think you are a Muslim, obedient to Islamic strictures and demands, and these manifest themselves in the typical way we've been witnessing .. hatred of the West, an imperative to strike back at that which you hate, and, generally, to let loose all of the bile at 'the enemy', us 'Infidels', which you're required to identify with and be subservient to.

My obvious question, therefore, is: Where's your Burkha ?? Is it the absence of one in your photo a matter of circumstantial concern for you ?

Muslims vary in level of practice just like nominal Catholics and Jack Mormons (look up the term). While I don't doubt that the militant ones exist, many are not even fully aware of the tenants of their "faith". Given their number of 1 billion, interacting and dealing with Muslims is a necessity for any kind of a professional career or business. You may not like it, but that's reality.

[Drummond]

Muslims vary in level of practice just like nominal Catholics and Jack Mormons (look up the term). While I don't doubt that the militant ones exist, many are not even fully aware of the tenants of their "faith". Given their number of 1 billion, interacting and dealing with Muslims is a necessity for any kind of a professional career or business. You may not like it, but that's reality.

Consider the posting you've replied to null-and-void. It was posted here before I was aware of the picture Jim had posted.

We're fundamentally different, Tailfins, in how we approach the subject of Farah. I see her as a contributor here who has rights equal to the rest of us. That she abuses the freedom she has here with anti-Western bile and propaganda still doesn't detract from the fact of her worth as an individual (except, maybe, in the eyes of those who influence or motivate her, e.g - possibly - with a pernicious Islamic-led set of imperatives).

The specific case you make in reply to me may be valid. But consider this: regardless of the exact level of 'activation' true of any one individual, which will certainly vary from individual to individual, ALL who adhere to Islam must have the capability of radicalisation to what certain media outlets are pleased to categorised as 'extremism' in Islam.

It's entirely possible that Farah is one such individual, who at one time held moderate and balanced views, but now is somehow radicalised to hold extreme ones instead, and to give vent to her extremist bile. If this is true - I repeat, IF it is true - then she represents a warning to all of us in the West, an object-lesson, if you will, of how we in the West are FORCED to be sensitised to the extreme threat Islam poses to us all.

To Farah ... we are not the aggressors here. We will defend ourselves and our beliefs, though. Advise your friends accordingly.

[tailfins]

Consider the posting you've replied to null-and-void. It was posted here before I was aware of the picture Jim had posted.

We're fundamentally different, Tailfins, in how we approach the subject of Farah. I see her as a contributor here who has rights equal to the rest of us. That she abuses the freedom she has here with anti-Western bile and propaganda still doesn't detract from the fact of her worth as an individual (except, maybe, in the eyes of those who influence or motivate her, e.g - possibly - with a pernicious Islamic-led set of imperatives).

The specific case you make in reply to me may be valid. But consider this: regardless of the exact level of 'activation' true of any one individual, which will certainly vary from individual to individual, ALL who adhere to Islam must have the capability of radicalisation to what certain media outlets are pleased to categorised as 'extremism' in Islam.

It's entirely possible that Farah is one such individual, who at one time held moderate and balanced views, but now is somehow radicalised to hold extreme ones instead, and to give vent to her extremist bile. If this is true - I repeat, IF it is true - then she represents a warning to all of us in the West, an object-lesson, if you will, of how we in the West are FORCED to be sensitised to the extreme threat Islam poses to us all.

To Farah ... we are not the aggressors here. We will defend ourselves and our beliefs, though. Advise your friends accordingly.


Beliefs don't matter until they are acted on. Would you defend yourself and your beliefs from the drooling misfit with soiled pants at the subway entrance (or Tube as you call it)? Why would you bother? The same applies for a bimbo that sits around spouting off. I would rather just stare down her blouse and tune her words out.

[Drummond]

Beliefs don't matter until they are acted on. Would you defend yourself and your beliefs from the drooling misfit with soiled pants at the subway entrance (or Tube as you call it)? Why would you bother? The same applies for a bimbo that sits around spouting off. I would rather just stare down her blouse and tune her words out.

There's an easy (& obvious ?) answer to that. Beliefs DO matter, whether an individual adversely acts in deference to them, or just holds that set of beliefs but doesn't commit a violent action because of them.

Ever heard of - what we'd call over here - 'hatespeech' preachers ? This is what we're pleased to call - for example - Muslim clerics who never commit acts of terrorism themselves, but who inspire others to think that they could have good reason to.

One of these, called Anjem Choudary, taught his messages of 'inspiration' to Muslim followers. He never committed a terrorist act himself, considered himself untouchable by the law of the land (and scrupulously worked to keep that balance) ... yet, was ultimately prosecuted and jailed. We recognised (a little too belatedly) just what his potential for harm was, so, our authorities acted.

His beliefs definitely DID matter.

It's how others react to them that's the issue.

See ....

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-attack-bridge-borough-isis-perpetrators-khuram-butt-links-anjem-choudary-documentary-jihadis-a7776101.html


The bloody rampage that left seven people dead and dozens injured on a busy Saturday night in London Bridge is the latest atrocity to be tied to Anjem Choudary’s network of extremists, it has emerged.

Khuram Butt, who wore an Arsenal shirt and hoax suicide vest to carry out the slaughter, had been reported to authorities repeatedly over alarming comments and behaviour.

Experts warn that his transformation from apparently non-violent extremist to terrorist could be echoed by countless British Islamists brought to a “tipping point” by the ideology espoused by hate preachers.

How one person reacts to a particular person's rantings is down to what's true of that individual. Your example, colorfully expressed, of 'a bimbo spouting off' might result in you, personally, ignoring what she says. Somebody else might react entirely differently, with vastly different consequences coming from it.

Likewise with so-called 'hate preachers'. I would find Choudary's rants detestable. Another person may kill in their name.

Why is Farah here, anyway ? What would she hope was the reaction to her propagandist rot ? What is the aim of her postings ?

Does she work in the service of others, according to a hostile agenda ?

[Farah]

Couldn't care less if you use it or remove it.

I ve removed it hours ago now when I come back, I see it not removed, how come this happen ? Did you do that ?

[Farah]

The US backed terror organization who cannot held terror attacks in Turkiye anymore, held another terror attack in Afrin town of Syria to a market place with a car bomb and murders dozens of civilians.


https://twitter.com/moetaz89/status/1074242702257111040


Turkish security forces arriving the scene neutralizes another car full of bombs.


https://twitter.com/op_shield/status/1074248038321963009

[Drummond]

The US backed terror organization who cannot held terror attacks in Turkiye anymore, held another terror attack in Afrin town of Syria to a market place with a car bomb and murders dozens of civilians.


https://twitter.com/moetaz89/status/1074242702257111040


Turkish security forces arriving the scene neutralizes another car full of bombs.


https://twitter.com/op_shield/status/1074248038321963009





Farah, I'm beginning to wonder why I'm replying to this, or even why I'm reading your predictable propaganda. Or, even why I'm bothering with you at all.

I've made this abundantly clear: your allegations of Western / American complicity in terror attacks just remain allegations, don't they, and proof of what you allege is true is still absent. PROOF OF THAT IS CALLED FOR.

Give us clear (preferably verifiable) evidence that the US, &/or any Western power, is 'behind' any of this. Stop just making unsupported, and highly insulting, charges: if you believe you're correct, SHOW US THAT YOU ARE.

Who supports who ? With what ? How ? Quantities, details, evidence of material assistance, FACTS AND FIGURES TO BACK YOUR CHARGES OF WESTERN COLLUSION. Let's see it, Farah.

.. That is, if your stuff is supposed to be worth reading at all. Prove to me that it is.

Oh, and Farah, if all you've really got to offer is a literary version of 'soundbytes', showing us scenes of violence and destruction, do you really not think that, from our side of the fence, we can't do likewise ?

Would you like to look at post after post showing you terrorist atrocities committed by terrorists the West has suffered, perpetrated by 'people' and groupings from the EAST ? Would you care to start with pictures and accounts covering America's '9/11', and work from there ? H'mm ... ?

Because, we can do the same, if any of us could even be bothered to. You, Farah, could be bombarded with images of the Twin Towers burning, collapsing. Images of people falling to their deaths, instead of roasting alive.

Would you like that, Farah ??

So tell me, Farah. When will we see your thread, entitled 'THE CRIMINAL EAST' ... ?? I mean .. you are FAIR AND BALANCED in your thinking, right ?

Or do you just hate the West, out of motivations we haven't yet been 'privileged' to learn of .. ?

Here, Farah ... check this thread out. It's years old. Note its many reports of terrorist atrocities (note that it has no less than 935 posts !!). Note particularly the truth of where those responsible for the atrocities reported, come from !!

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?37131-Most-recent-muslim-terrorist-attacks&p=581543#post581543

Then tell me, Farah, that your propaganda 'still has any worth' and that we should NOT see you add a 'Criminal East' thread on this forum !!!

[jimnyc]

The US backed terror organization who cannot held terror attacks in Turkiye anymore, held another terror attack in Afrin town of Syria to a market place with a car bomb and murders dozens of civilians.


https://twitter.com/moetaz89/status/1074242702257111040


Turkish security forces arriving the scene neutralizes another car full of bombs.


https://twitter.com/op_shield/status/1074248038321963009





*Yawn - same garbage regurgitated post after post*

Do you have a brain? Can you think for yourself? Can you not post and have an opinion and explain things and support what you're posting?

If you literally have ZERO INTENTION of doing just that - then kindly go start a blog. I can help you with links. I can help you get there via a digitalized and very beautiful boot, both NightTrain and Gunny have wonderful pairs!! :) :)

[jimnyc]

Farah, I'm beginning to wonder why I'm replying to this, or even why I'm reading your predictable propaganda. Or, even why I'm bothering with you at all.


I'll tell ya what though, Drummond, you sure do have some serious patience about you. Also a kindness in the face of the knowingly unkind. And you continue to be kind in your engagements, in the hopes of finding a positive discussion somehow.

While I don't think that ever happens, I sure do give you an A+ for your efforts and patience!!

I have about 0.00001% of me that can deal with stupid people in this world. Or people that would gladly see harm done to us.

[Drummond]

I'll tell ya what though, Drummond, you sure do have some serious patience about you. Also a kindness in the face of the knowingly unkind. And you continue to be kind in your engagements, in the hopes of finding a positive discussion somehow.

While I don't think that ever happens, I sure do give you an A+ for your efforts and patience!!

I have about 0.00001% of me that can deal with stupid people in this world. Or people that would gladly see harm done to us.

Very appreciated, Jim, thank you !!

It's all done out of a need to be as fair as possible. We're all very aware that Farah is posting propaganda. We all know how one-sided, therefore unfounded and unjust, what she alleges truly is. My approach is always (a) to prove what's true, and (b) for the person I'm offering opposition to, to get ample chance to prove the worth, or lack of worth, of their case.

Farah's interesting. We don't know with any certainty what lies behind her postings. Is she a lone propagandist, full of hatreds and prejudices against us, who has some psychological need to give vent to them ? Has someone brainwashed her into believing her rot, to the point where she's incapable of independent thought ? Does she represent others in her postings ... is she just a 'mouthpiece' for people who prefer to remain hidden ?

Is she even free to do what she's doing, or, is she being directed by others pushing their agenda ?

We don't really know.

It could just be that she's a victim of others' machinations.

Or, she might just be a lone America-hater, all reason and rationality absent.

Who knows ?

[Farah]

Farah, I'm beginning to wonder why I'm replying to this, or even why I'm reading your predictable propaganda. Or, even why I'm bothering with you at all.

I've made this abundantly clear: your allegations of Western / American complicity in terror attacks just remain allegations, don't they, and proof of what you allege is true is still absent. PROOF OF THAT IS CALLED FOR.



If you were honest about what you are saying and you were really interested with the events, you could make a quick research and you could see the things from much cleaner perspective.

All the journalists and social media accounts close to US backed terror groups are celebrating the attacks and proudly claiming responsiblity for them and they keep threatening people.

Here a pro-terror organization account says "Until the Turkish Army lefts the region...." and share bombing pics. So he means terror attacks will continue until Turkish Army will left the region.

https://twitter.com/farqin99336290/status/1074284547087458305

Another pro-terror account says "They are not civilians, they are terrorists and they will die" as a reply to another poster blames the attack done against civilians.

https://twitter.com/YPG63/status/1074287990422290433

Another pro-terror account says "we warn civilians to leave Afrin town and those who rejects to leave will be treated as terrorists, not civilians."

https://twitter.com/Kulilka_Kurdi/status/1074291722027483137


Another pro-terror account says "The attacks done by Efrin Revenge Brigade in recent days are pretty effective, some people ask whether or not ERB is a part of YPG, friends they are the arm of TAK." ( So another arm of US backed terror groups)

https://twitter.com/isuwaDersim62/status/1073939284992897024


Another pro-terror journalist proudly says "10 thugs are killed."

https://twitter.com/ErdalEr82/status/1074282783122620416




Are these proofs enough ?

[jimnyc]

You consider "tweets" on Twitter to be some form of proof of anything?

You really are a fucking idiot.

And once again, I'll revert to the child thing. Only a young one is going to take the statements of others on Twitter as their "proof" and their conclusions to anything.

An idiot of a child.

[jimnyc]

Are these proofs enough ?

When I post proof that there have been over 34,000 terror attacks by muslims - will you believe it and condemn it right here on this forum? Each and every single attack is accounted for, locations & numbers killed.

You will condemn all of these attacks, and the radical muslims that performed them - correct?

[Drummond]

You consider "tweets" on Twitter to be some form of proof of anything?

You really are a fucking idiot.

And once again, I'll revert to the child thing. Only a young one is going to take the statements of others on Twitter as their "proof" and their conclusions to anything.

An idiot of a child.

Incredible, isn't it, that we're supposed to take this stuff seriously !!

Good God.

[Drummond]

When I post proof that there have been over 34,000 terror attacks by muslims - will you believe it and condemn it right here on this forum? Each and every single attack is accounted for, locations & numbers killed.

You will condemn all of these attacks, and the radical muslims that performed them - correct?:clap::clap::clap::clap:

[jimnyc]

Incredible, isn't it, that we're supposed to take this stuff seriously !!

Good God.

And no doubt, like I have seen by others before this dolt, she perhaps believes all this crap wholeheartedly, and is used to thinking digging for information in the bowels of the internet is the proper way to go, and for whatever reason, somehow believable.

I think it goes all the way back to subjugation, and therefore weak minds.

[Drummond]

If you were honest about what you are saying and you were really interested with the events, you could make a quick research and you could see the things from much cleaner perspective.

All the journalists and social media accounts close to US backed terror groups are celebrating the attacks and proudly claiming responsiblity for them and they keep threatening people.

Here a pro-terror organization account says "Until the Turkish Army lefts the region...." and share bombing pics. So he means terror attacks will continue until Turkish Army will left the region.

https://twitter.com/farqin99336290/status/1074284547087458305

Another pro-terror account says "They are not civilians, they are terrorists and they will die" as a reply to another poster blames the attack done against civilians.

https://twitter.com/YPG63/status/1074287990422290433

Another pro-terror account says "we warn civilians to leave Afrin town and those who rejects to leave will be treated as terrorists, not civilians."

https://twitter.com/Kulilka_Kurdi/status/1074291722027483137


Another pro-terror account says "The attacks done by Efrin Revenge Brigade in recent days are pretty effective, some people ask whether or not ERB is a part of YPG, friends they are the arm of TAK." ( So another arm of US backed terror groups)

https://twitter.com/isuwaDersim62/status/1073939284992897024


Another pro-terror journalist proudly says "10 thugs are killed."

https://twitter.com/ErdalEr82/status/1074282783122620416




Are these proofs enough ?







OK. Let's see what these 'proofs' really are.

We've had a link from .. Twitter.

Another, from ... Twitter.

Another, from .... Twitter.

Yet another, from .. Twitter.

Does it get any better, any more definitive, any more 'certain' than someone's mere posting of an atrocity, and inferences which amount to nothing ?

The remaining post is from ... let me see, now .... TWITTER !!

Oh, wow ....

Twitter is a social media platform. Anyone can post anything, allege anything. Where is this so-called 'PROOF' ... ???

Farah. I'm losing the last of my patience with you. Have you really come on to this site, posting entirely unsupportable bile, with your basis for doing so .... the ravings of anyone at all, carrying zero authority, zero proof of a thing, zero verifiable credibility, via TWITTER ????

-- Give me strength !!!!!

[Farah]

You consider "tweets" on Twitter to be some form of proof of anything?

You really are a fucking idiot.

And once again, I'll revert to the child thing. Only a young one is going to take the statements of others on Twitter as their "proof" and their conclusions to anything.

An idiot of a child.


Really ? If it would fit with your interest, you would acceopt it as a "perfect proof". You deny it because it works in against your interests.


Okay then, lets share some more "serious" sources. Below their own media organ says "Efrin Revenge Brigade claim responsiblity for the attack."

https://www.nuceciwan8.com/ku/2018/12/16/xezaba-zeytune-heri-kem-25-ceteyen-dewleta-tirk-hate-kustin/

“Ji ber sûcên dagirkeriya Tirkiyeyê, çete û dûvikên wê yên li dijî gelê me û xaka Efrînê ya paqij berxwedana şervanên me mezintir dibe. Şervanên me ji bo şehîdan û gelê Efrînê rake rê û rêbazên lehengtir diafirînin û çeteyan dixin dojeha kuştinê û li ser sûcên ku kirine hesab ji wan dixwaze."


Means "Our resistance against the invader Turkish State and against the groups tied to them are growing more and more. Our warriors are heroically asking for the price of crimes committed by Turkish State and their supporters."

"Careke din em bangawaziya xwe ya ji çeteyan û niştecihên xwe li Efrînê bi cih kirin dubare dikin, ji Efrînê derkevin an jî wê aqûbeta ji ya kuştiyên îro ne dûr be. Her wiha em bang li şêniyên Efrînê yên resen dikin ku nêzî navendên dagirker û çeteyan nebin ji bo zerar negihêje wan."

Means "We are calling for groups and civilians in Afrin to leave the town as soon as possible and their end will be like as today if they rejects to leave. We call Kurdish people living in the region to be away from invader not to be harmed."



Now, is this proof enough ?

[Drummond]

And no doubt, like I have seen by others before this dolt, she perhaps believes all this crap wholeheartedly, and is used to thinking digging for information in the bowels of the internet is the proper way to go, and for whatever reason, somehow believable.

I think it goes all the way back to subjugation, and therefore weak minds.

Impossible not to agree.

I don't know why. I really don't. But I thought I just MIGHT be dealing with someone capable of better judgment and rationality than this.

It may come down to this, then ... a child-mind, steeped in prejudice, incapable of anything better, because of a lack of worldliness that comes from age and experience of the REAL world ... and who's been exposed to prejudices taken to be fact.

Ho hum.

[jimnyc]

Now, is this proof enough ?


Ummm, NO. How about a known news organization. Not someone's opinion somewhere. Something in English preferably, but doesn't have to be.

The link you just supplied is from a RADICAL. And a decent news agency is going to run with a gmail account huh? LOL Don't think so. The site is pure garbage.

Come with something believable.

And for starters, condemn the things that have equally been pointed out in your area. Show you aren't a radical yourself by equal condemnation.

[Drummond]

Really ? If it would fit with your interest, you would acceopt it as a "perfect proof". You deny it because it works in against your interests.


Okay then, lets share some more "serious" sources. Below their own media organ says "Efrin Revenge Brigade claim responsiblity for the attack."

https://www.nuceciwan8.com/ku/2018/12/16/xezaba-zeytune-heri-kem-25-ceteyen-dewleta-tirk-hate-kustin/

“Ji ber sûcên dagirkeriya Tirkiyeyê, çete û dûvikên wê yên li dijî gelê me û xaka Efrînê ya paqij berxwedana şervanên me mezintir dibe. Şervanên me ji bo şehîdan û gelê Efrînê rake rê û rêbazên lehengtir diafirînin û çeteyan dixin dojeha kuştinê û li ser sûcên ku kirine hesab ji wan dixwaze."


Means "Our resistance against the invader Turkish State and against the groups tied to them are growing more and more. Our warriors are heroically asking for the price of crimes committed by Turkish State and their supporters."

"Careke din em bangawaziya xwe ya ji çeteyan û niştecihên xwe li Efrînê bi cih kirin dubare dikin, ji Efrînê derkevin an jî wê aqûbeta ji ya kuştiyên îro ne dûr be. Her wiha em bang li şêniyên Efrînê yên resen dikin ku nêzî navendên dagirker û çeteyan nebin ji bo zerar negihêje wan."

Means "We are calling for groups and civilians in Afrin to leave the town as soon as possible and their end will be like as today if they rejects to leave. We call Kurdish people living in the region to be away from invader not to be harmed."



Now, is this proof enough ?

Nope.

Who is behind this stuff ? What motivates them ? Is an agenda being followed ? Are the posters of 'material' like this just saying and arguing what it best serves them to argue, allege, claim ?

Have you given a moment's thought to whether this stuff is borne of objectivity, and isn't biased to the hilt ?

I think not !!

There's a social, political, religious climate in Turkey. It isn't exactly neutral in its worldview !! You need to take that on board, deal with the reality of that. See beyond it, IF you've ANY interest in being fair.

And see things objectively. Be open to TRUTH. Not propaganda, much less stuff regurgitated on Twitter !!

I think I've had enough of this. Farah, do better than this. Note particularly what Jim's just said to you.

I wish you joy in getting yourself deprogrammed.

[Farah]

Ummm, NO. How about a known news organization. Not someone's opinion somewhere. Something in English preferably, but doesn't have to be.

The link you just supplied is from a RADICAL. And a decent news agency is going to run with a gmail account huh? LOL Don't think so. The site is pure garbage.

Come with something believable.

And for starters, condemn the things that have equally been pointed out in your area. Show you aren't a radical yourself by equal condemnation.


Look, you and me, we both know that you will deny any source as long as it does not fit with your interests, so stop making excuses and keep insulting my person instead, in that way you wont need to use your brain and will spend less effort, much comfy.

[jimnyc]

Look, you and me, we both know that you will deny any source as long as it does not fit with your interests, so stop making excuses and keep insulting my person instead, in that way you wont need to use your brain and will spend less effort, much comfy.

Ok then - go ahead and tell everyone here that I am wrong:

The literal English definition of the title of that site of your "proof" is "RADICAL OPINION"

And that's what you expect me to believe?

nerina ciwantiya radikal

[jimnyc]

Look, you and me, we both know that you will deny any source as long as it does not fit with your interests, so stop making excuses and keep insulting my person instead, in that way you wont need to use your brain and will spend less effort, much comfy.

Almost forgot to say - you are PROVING yourself a fucking idiot over and over and over. Like a typical piece of shit muslim you ignore any and all questions about islam, as it's what you are taught. But expect us to bend over and believe the radical bullshit you are pulling off of twitter and other sites.

You are scum and garbage.

[NightTrain]

Farah, use of appropriate links to support your arguments is to be done by professional news outlets.

Twitter isn't acceptable, Facebook isn't acceptable, Instagram isn't acceptable. Blogs aren't acceptable. If they have solid sources to back it up, use those sources.

There are many tens of thousands of professional news outlets that provide coverage of both sides of every conflict. They're very easy to find.

[Elessar]

Look, you and me, we both know that you will deny any source as long as it does not fit with your interests, so stop making excuses and keep insulting my person instead, in that way you wont need to use your brain and will spend less effort, much comfy.

You insult yourself by being an immature, brain-washed child.

Do you think anyone here is going to take you seriously?

You have no world view, just propaganda, and narrow-minded opinions.
If someone as astute as Drummond tells you to right your course...You should heed
that advice.

Otherwise you are a fool.

[tailfins]

Look, you and me, we both know that you will deny any source as long as it does not fit with your interests, so stop making excuses and keep insulting my person instead, in that way you wont need to use your brain and will spend less effort, much comfy.

I don't take any news source at face value. I select a few stories from a given source, travel and see for myself. If a selected sample of stories is shown to be true, then it's other stories are more believable. You lost me when you disparaged the US Border Patrol and you showed support for Nicolas Maduro. As someone who crosses the Southern US border regularly, I can tell you that the US Border Patrol is a professional organization and makes every effort to be reasonable.

Do you want to support Maduro? Spend some time with Venezuelans in refugee camps in Colombia. You probably shouldn't cross the border into Venezuela because it's quite dangerous.

You're easy on the eyes, but hard on the ears. You should try topics that are more your speed and not discuss politics. You beclown yourself.

On a topic that IS more your speed: Tell us about some festivities in your community that you like.

[Gunny]

*Yawn - same garbage regurgitated post after post*

Do you have a brain? Can you think for yourself? Can you not post and have an opinion and explain things and support what you're posting?

If you literally have ZERO INTENTION of doing just that - then kindly go start a blog. I can help you with links. I can help you get there via a digitalized and very beautiful boot, both @NightTrain (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=89) and @Gunny (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=30) have wonderful pairs!! :) :)I was going to put this in staff, but WTF ...

I must be getting old or coming down with something. The very notion there is a Turk to be had and I am just not interest is a foreign concept to my brain housing group. I consider their very existence an insult to humanity. Between this Turk and watching this idiot tailfins make a complete fool of himself is, I just had to go play Lego's with the grandson. It's more intellectually stimulating. I must need some steroids or a bottle of hooch to get my frame of mind reset :)

Fact is jimnyc you pinned the tail on the jackass. You are not going to get this Turk to change her pig-headed, illogical, contradictory/hypocritical opinion one damned bit. Note, all the evidence in the World means NOTHING to Ms Zombie. I haven't even needed a link. I just wait for her to open her damned mouth and contradict herself and nail her on it.

Now, if the US was to send troops across the US-Mexico border and wage war against the Guatemalan refugees (farmers) she'd be calling us murderers and worse. Yet, where is the difference between THAT and Turkey invading Syria, a sovereign nation, using its military against farmers? But if she says they are not kurds they are terrorists, it's okay :rolleyes:

As an aside ... anyone notice a resemblance between a brainwashed Turk and our resident lefties?:whistling2:

There are too many nuances to the issue to be handled in one thread. That's tough enough without trying to convince a zombie she ain't dead in the head.

I've gotten beside myself for years trying to convince people that you cannot fight an enemy you cannot identify. You cannot fight and enemy you ignore. Pretending that MFer ain't there doesn't mean he isn't scheming away on your ass. Look at THIS. Erdogan has schemed away until he has put the US in what he thinks is an untenable position. All the while us ignoring his childish shit and pretending he's an "ally".

THIS is our enemy. Turkey stands for everything we do not. There's not much difference between Turkey now and Iraq in the 90s. A despot bullying with a conventional army.

SO, y'all want to argue with this? I started to and realized I was just repeating myself with the same facts and logic. The only way to change a Turk's mind is to kill it.

[jimnyc]

THIS is our enemy. Turkey stands for everything we do not. There's not much difference between Turkey now and Iraq in the 90s. A despot bullying with a conventional army.

This is why I quickly pointed out that where SHE is from, Turkey, is a terrorist haven shithole - and they DO support terrorism. And they are loaded with terrorists, hence the warnings from all corners of the earth.

And the points about Turkish people "smelling badly" is WIDELY noted around the internet and via travel agents no less!! Soap must not be very popular over there.

And the using of the hands for wiping from muslims.... that about nailed the coffin shut.

[jimnyc]

You're easy on the eyes, but hard on the ears. You should try topics that are more your speed and not discuss politics. You beclown yourself.

Nominated for the post of the month. :laugh2:

Expected but not expected. :)

[Farah]

Farah, use of appropriate links to support your arguments is to be done by professional news outlets.

Twitter isn't acceptable, Facebook isn't acceptable, Instagram isn't acceptable. Blogs aren't acceptable. If they have solid sources to back it up, use those sources.

There are many tens of thousands of professional news outlets that provide coverage of both sides of every conflict. They're very easy to find.


I have used their own media link and this time he said "there is a word means 'radical' in their subtitle". So he will deny any source and you all will do the same thing as long as it does not fit with your personal ego. This is why people fight each other, because at least one side rejects to recognize an information because of information does not fit with their interests and then there is no any other ways left other than physically figthing each other and in general the right side win the fight because right side always feels the sense of legitimacy while dishonest side feel the sense of guilt. This is why before governments do some dirty jobs, they try to wash brains of their people to give them sense of legitimacy about the actions they do and defend. For example invasion of Iraq based on fake news done about mass destruction weapons to convince ordinary Western people for a justified "invasion".

[tailfins]

This is why I quickly pointed out that where SHE is from, Turkey, is a terrorist haven shithole - and they DO support terrorism. And they are loaded with terrorists, hence the warnings from all corners of the earth.

And the points about Turkish people "smelling badly" is WIDELY noted around the internet and via travel agents no less!! Soap must not be very popular over there.

And the using of the hands for wiping from muslims.... that about nailed the coffin shut.

It's actually diet. People from India have the same problem; it's all that curry. I have even developed a level a trust with some people from India to discuss such things. They tried changing soaps and changing deodorants to no avail. It's the food that does it.

[Gunny]

I have used their own media link and this time he said "there is a word means 'radical' in their subtitle". So he will deny any source and you all will do the same thing as long as it does not fit with your personal ego. This is why people fight each other, because at least one side rejects to recognize an information because of information does not fit with their interests and then there is no any other ways left other than physically figthing each other and in general the right side win the fight because right side always feels the sense of legitimacy while dishonest side feel the sense of guilt. This is why before governments do some dirty jobs, they try to wash brains of their people to give them sense of legitimacy about the actions they do and defend. For example invasion of Iraq based on fake news done about mass destruction weapons to convince ordinary Western people for a justified "invasion".A Turk millenial. Wow. He's trying to help you.

You're from Istanbul, right? Tell the truth. I can find out.

[tailfins]

I have used their own media link and this time he said "there is a word means 'radical' in their subtitle". So he will deny any source and you all will do the same thing as long as it does not fit with your personal ego. This is why people fight each other, because at least one side rejects to recognize an information because of information does not fit with their interests and then there is no any other ways left other than physically figthing each other and in general the right side win the fight because right side always feels the sense of legitimacy while dishonest side feel the sense of guilt. This is why before governments do some dirty jobs, they try to wash brains of their people to give them sense of legitimacy about the actions they do and defend. For example invasion of Iraq based on fake news done about mass destruction weapons to convince ordinary Western people for a justified "invasion".

As Israel's wise leader, Bibi Netanyahu, pointed out the USA attacked the wrong country. Iran, rather than Iraq should have brought down. If one wants to fight terrorism, it's a smart move to consult the Israelis. They have been fighting terrorism their entire existence.

Try actually visiting the USA before making your judgments. While you will see a cranky and ill-tempered disposition, you will see unimaginable wealth and a population that doesn't stop working until a task is completed. From where I sit, much of the anger towards the USA is from people who want what we got without wanting to work for it.

Tell me: HOW MANY HOURS OF GAINFUL EMPLOYMENT WILL YOU PUT IN TODAY?

[Gunny]

As Israel's wise leader, Bibi Netanyahu, pointed out the USA attacked the wrong country. Iran, rather than Iraq should have brought down. If one wants to fight terrorism, it's a smart move to consult the Israelis. They have been fighting terrorism their entire existence.Turkey is the same as Iran. No difference. The people are the same.

It's not about fighting terrorism. It's about fighting an ideal. "Terrorism" is a tool. The American indians used it. I'd love to put the Apache against these ragneads. Game over.

[Farah]

As Israel's wise leader, Bibi Netanyahu, pointed out the USA attacked the wrong country. Iran, rather than Iraq should have brought down. If one wants to fight terrorism, it's a smart move to consult the Israelis. They have been fighting terrorism their entire existence.


This would be a worst idea, we can complately close air defence systems of Israel or US and leave them open to any missile attacks.

[Gunny]

I have used their own media link and this time he said "there is a word means 'radical' in their subtitle". So he will deny any source and you all will do the same thing as long as it does not fit with your personal ego. This is why people fight each other, because at least one side rejects to recognize an information because of information does not fit with their interests and then there is no any other ways left other than physically figthing each other and in general the right side win the fight because right side always feels the sense of legitimacy while dishonest side feel the sense of guilt. This is why before governments do some dirty jobs, they try to wash brains of their people to give them sense of legitimacy about the actions they do and defend. For example invasion of Iraq based on fake news done about mass destruction weapons to convince ordinary Western people for a justified "invasion".This is a battle of media links? I've used your own words against you and you have pretended my showing you for a fool didn't happen. Who needs a link when I can show you contradicting yourself? Too easy.

[Drummond]

I have used their own media link and this time he said "there is a word means 'radical' in their subtitle". So he will deny any source and you all will do the same thing as long as it does not fit with your personal ego. This is why people fight each other, because at least one side rejects to recognize an information because of information does not fit with their interests and then there is no any other ways left other than physically figthing each other and in general the right side win the fight because right side always feels the sense of legitimacy while dishonest side feel the sense of guilt. This is why before governments do some dirty jobs, they try to wash brains of their people to give them sense of legitimacy about the actions they do and defend. For example invasion of Iraq based on fake news done about mass destruction weapons to convince ordinary Western people for a justified "invasion".

Here's what it comes down to:

Somehow, in your naive little way, you go online, look at propaganda on Twitter, and think to yourself, 'I'm on an internationally-run site, so I can view the world from it, and I'm getting a balanced look at all the world is showing me'.

What rot.

What you're REALLY doing is looking at whatever others want to say, believe, or, whatever biases they want to convince impressionable minds of. You are falling for it, hook, line and sinker, because you've no real experience of the REAL world as it REALLY is.

Tell me this, too: how is it that you're so accepting of what your Twitter links 'show' you, but so lacking in receptiveness to what you're being told on this site .. h'mm ? How come ?

Fairness, balance, these are not in play in your mind. Bias, bigotry, IS ... you believe what you choose to, and dismiss anything else.

So, then ... am I wrong ? If 'yes', you'll consider other messages, from other sources. Yes ?

Try this one out, featured in the thread I posted earlier:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

You'll dismiss what it reports .. won't you ? Because, Farah, it says things, shows you things, that are well outside of your VERY closed mind. In truth ... you only believe what you want to believe.

My patience is all but exhausted with you. But here's something for you to chew over.

You mention Iraq - and refer to the 2003 invasion. The reason for it, as you know (??), was to get to the bottom of the whole WMD issue and to neutralise a perceived threat from Saddam's stockpile of WMD's, believed to exist.

The popular belief is that none were found (in truth, more than 500 old WMD's were found ... an Intelligence report dated June 2006 said as much ... it had signatories, people in its circulation list, such as Nancy Pelosi appended to it).

Let's go with that popular belief, eh, and say that there were no WMD's. So chew this over:

HOW DOES NOT FINDING WMD'S, PROVE THEIR NONEXISTENCE ???

Have you never lost something, you've known it exists, but never found it again ?

Check this out ...

https://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/Iraq_WMD_Declassified.pdf

You'll dismiss it, won't you ? On what basis ?

The basis of PREFERRED BELIEF, by any chance ?

-- AS JUDGED BY A CLOSED MIND ??

[Drummond]

This would be a worst idea, we can complately close air defence systems of Israel or US and leave them open to any missile attacks.:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Gunny]

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:Turkey's air defense is the US Air Force. Easy for a knucklehead to say.

[Farah]

Tell me this, too: how is it that you're so accepting of what your Twitter links 'show' you, but so lacking in receptiveness to what you're being told on this site .. h'mm ? How come ?

I also share their website links and ofcourse I will accept it as a proof when these tweets are sent by their supporters.




http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

You'll dismiss what it reports .. won't you ? Because, Farah, it says things, shows you things, that are well outside of your VERY closed mind. In truth ... you only believe what you want to believe.

This has nothing with topic subject. Dont you understand ? The topic subject has nothing with religions, you can start another topic about religions or you can go to a forum about religions. To be honest, I have really serious doubts about your IQ level and I am not telling that to insult you, I am quite serious.






HOW DOES NOT FINDING WMD'S, PROVE THEIR NONEXISTENCE ???

What do funk I just read, so you defend invading countries based on imaginary "crimes". I dont really think that you have a mental stablity, you should go the closest medical center and please leave your pistol or any other weapon at home before going there.

[tailfins]

I also share their website links and ofcourse I will accept it as a proof when these tweets are sent by their supporters.




This has nothing with topic subject. Dont you understand ? The topic subject has nothing with religions, you can start another topic about religions or you can go to a forum about religions. To be honest, I have really serious doubts about your IQ level and I am not telling that to insult you, I am quite serious.





What do funk I just read, so you defend invading countries based on imaginary "crimes". I dont really think that you have a mental stablity, you should go the closest medical center and please leave your pistol or any other weapon at home before going there.


Doubts about IQ level? mental stability? With all your snotty remarks, are you sure you're not an American chick? Chill out already!

Are you by chance staying with relatives at the Incirlik US Air Force post in Turkey? Just asking.

[jimnyc]

This has nothing with topic subject. Dont you understand ? The topic subject has nothing with religions, you can start another topic about religions or you can go to a forum about religions. To be honest, I have really serious doubts about your IQ level and I am not telling that to insult you, I am quite serious.


As I told ya, Drummond, and along with her own photos - I think we're dealing with an uneducated child here, that doesn't know her ass from her elbow being Turkish and lead astray.

She won't entertain ANY questions that are about muslims or islam, or really anything that may expose her true colors. She's already shown that she cannot form an opinion of her own, only post links. She gets angry if anyone dares bringing up anything about islam. She cannot even defend who she is!! That's kinda sad, but ain't my issue!

She's off on tangents in every thread she has posted in, but dare to ask her a question and she'll give the same response about starting your own thread - of which she will ignore in addition, of course.

Her own twitter speaks for her and shows exactly where and how she gets her own opinions to help her form.

That, and the shit novel known as the quran. And the hadiths. And the scum of the pedophile earth - muhammed. And everyone that has dedicated themselves to him, have become terrorists, radicals, subjugated women, uneducated women, pedophiles, murderers, and of course human toilet paper dispensers.

[jimnyc]

Doubts about IQ level? mental stability? With all your snotty remarks, are you sure you're not an American chick? Chill out already!

And to Drummond, the only one who has remained consistent in giving her a chance to reply to him. But because it's so embarrassing to her, she continues to ignore him, until she explodes like the whiny entitled little child she is.

[Black Diamond]

A Turk millenial. Wow. He's trying to help you.

You're from Istanbul, right? Tell the truth. I can find out.

Constantinople.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Debate Policy has a new POOL TOY.

[Farah]

Doubts about IQ level? mental stability? With all your snotty remarks, are you sure you're not an American chick? Chill out already!

Are you by chance staying with relatives at the Incirlik US Air Force post in Turkey? Just asking.


The runway of that airbase is done by one of my big cousins who is a construction engineer.

[NightTrain]

I have used their own media link and this time he said "there is a word means 'radical' in their subtitle". So he will deny any source and you all will do the same thing as long as it does not fit with your personal ego. This is why people fight each other, because at least one side rejects to recognize an information because of information does not fit with their interests and then there is no any other ways left other than physically figthing each other and in general the right side win the fight because right side always feels the sense of legitimacy while dishonest side feel the sense of guilt. This is why before governments do some dirty jobs, they try to wash brains of their people to give them sense of legitimacy about the actions they do and defend. For example invasion of Iraq based on fake news done about mass destruction weapons to convince ordinary Western people for a justified "invasion".


This can be as hard or as easy as you want it to be.

Believe me, there are a ton of professional news organizations that promote the propaganda that you're repeating. But at least they're trying to pretend to be professional.

You're not even trying if you're using Twitter to provide backup to what you're proposing.

[Farah]

This can be as hard or as easy as you want it to be.

Believe me, there are a ton of professional news organizations that promote the propaganda that you're repeating. But at least they're trying to pretend to be professional.

You're not even trying if you're using Twitter to provide backup to what you're proposing.


Then how we are going to decide whether something is false-propaganda or real ? The news we like are "real" and the ones we dont like are "false-propaganda" ?



By the way this forum needs an upgrade in server capacity, I cant connect sometimes (often) due to high server traffic density.

[jimnyc]

Then how we are going to decide whether something is false-propaganda or real ? The news we like are "real" and the ones we dont like are "false-propaganda" ?

Simple - don't use social media as a source, nor radical websites. Use bonafide news agency sites, KNOWN news agency sites. Simple!

[jimnyc]

Then how we are going to decide whether something is false-propaganda or real ? The news we like are "real" and the ones we dont like are "false-propaganda" ?



By the way this forum need an upgrade in serves capacity, I cant connect sometimes due to high server traffic density.

As to your addition - I have ZERO issues connecting, ever. 100% uptime. If you're having issues, then it's on your end.

Unless of course - others here will chime in and agree with you, that they are having issues as you say. But doubtful as records show otherwise.

Sounds like an issue coming out of shitty Turkish world if you ask me, don't once again try blaming the USA somehow! LOL idiot.

[Farah]

Simple - don't use social media as a source, nor radical websites. Use bonafide news agency sites, KNOWN news agency sites. Simple!


The people I show as proof are not "ordinary" people, they has directly ties with what they been shown as proof for andd the other accounts are official accounts of media agencies. Even state officials use these tools most of the time and for example today an US high rank soldier retweeted a terrorist and removed his retweet in a few seconds because he also realized that it is going to cause just another scandal bwtween Turkiye and Us.

[Gunny]

I also share their website links and ofcourse I will accept it as a proof when these tweets are sent by their supporters.




This has nothing with topic subject. Dont you understand ? The topic subject has nothing with religions, you can start another topic about religions or you can go to a forum about religions. To be honest, I have really serious doubts about your IQ level and I am not telling that to insult you, I am quite serious.





What do funk I just read, so you defend invading countries based on imaginary "crimes". I dont really think that you have a mental stablity, you should go the closest medical center and please leave your pistol or any other weapon at home before going there.You most certainly do exactly that. Remind me again what the Nation of Syria has done to warrant Turkey violating Syria's sovereign border?

Oh yeah. Yea're "helping them". Whether they need it or not :rolleyes:

[jimnyc]

The people I show as proof are not "ordinary" people, they has directly ties with what they been shown as proof for andd the other accounts are official accounts of media agencies. Even state officials use these tools most of the time and for example today an US high rank soldier retweeted a terrorist and removed his retweet in a few seconds because he also realized that it is going to cause just another scandal bwtween Turkiye and Us.

Oh, you should have said that earlier. Who knew that they were not "ordinary" people. :rolleyes:

If the BULLSHIT you post was real, it could be backed up by sources on MAJOR news agencies - not fucking idiots like yourself on twitter or some fucking lame website. Can't you comprehend that? USE APPROPRIATE SOURCES.

Otherwise, you are a laughable muslim hand wiping idiot.

[Gunny]

FYI, I'm glag this person is here. Because THIS is what I've been talking about for years. Glad she's willing to share the bad taste with everyone else.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

The runway of that airbase is done by one of my big cousins who is a construction engineer.
Do you hate your "big" cousin for helping the Americans?

[Farah]

You most certainly do exactly that. Remind me again what the Nation of Syria has done to warrant Turkey violating Syria's sovereign border?

Oh yeah. Yea're "helping them". Whether they need it or not :rolleyes:


and this question comes from someone tens of thousands of miles away from home in Syria, asking us, the border of neighbor of Syria, that what we are doing in Syria. I think it was legal to smell marijuana in US.

[Gunny]

and this question comes from someone tens of thousands of miles away from home in Syria, asking us, the border of neighbor of Syria, that what we are doing in Syria. I think it was legal to smell marijuana in US.Irrelevant comment. A sovereign, international border is just that. Two feet away or 10K miles away.

My country is there by invitation and agreement. Yours is not. It's that simple. Turkey's actions are criminal and the US's are justified by agreement. Simple as that.

Would you PLEASE at least make this a challenge? You're dumber than Pete.

[Farah]

Do you hate your "big" cousin for helping the Americans?


You started to talk like me, using quote marks to take attention for some words, there are still hope for you to be a nice guy if you would idolize me.

[jimnyc]

You started to talk like me, using quote marks to take attention for some words, there are still hope for you to be a nice guy if you would idolize me.

Idolize you? LOL

In the same way you scumbags idolize a man that has the hots for a 6 year old? Idolizing pedophilia - and now you're talking to the adult men here on the board, and you're a child. Learned behavior.

[tailfins]

If you want to be informed, get to know somebody who is in a position to know. One person who helped me learn about Cuba is Maykel Gonzalez Vivero. I can personally vouch for his credibility. Below is one of his stories in English.

In any less than free country, there are oppressors and the oppressed. In Turkey, I'm concerned that @Farah (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=3966) is one the oppressors. I am sure there are many excellent people in Turkey. I think of the ordinary productive Turk that has to look over his or her shoulder when he or she talks and must avoid being seen in public with other people. That's necessary because any one of those other people could be marked as an enemy of the state, which would cast suspicion on anyone that alleged enemy of the state was seen talking to.

http://www.diariodecuba.com/derechos-humanos/1476429378_25996.html


Journalist Maykel González Vivero, (http://www.diariodecuba.com/etiquetas/maykel-gonzalez-vivero.html) a DIARIO DE CUBA collaborator, was released Wednesday after spending three days in a cell in Baracoa, where he had been travelled to report on the ravages of Hurricane Matthew (http://www.diariodecuba.com/etiquetas/huracan-matthew.html)."You have to experience that to understand what it is like, and to really know Cuba. You cannot imagine what one of those cells is like. It has to be one of the worst things in the world," he told DIARIO DE CUBA shortly before boarding a bus bound for Guantánamo.
González Vivero's arrest marked the start of a State Security onslaught against journalists not linked to the official media who were trying to report on the situation facing the inhabitants of Guantánamo villages after Matthew's devastating passage.

[Gunny]

You started to talk like me, using quote marks to take attention for some words, there are still hope for you to be a nice guy if you would idolize me.Are you kidding? I'm the nice guy between me and High Plains Drifter. He'd kill you quicker than I would. Then again, you're a Turk. Maybe not.

[tailfins]

You started to talk like me, using quote marks to take attention for some words, there are still hope for you to be a nice guy if you would idolize me.

Objectify, not idolize is the word you're looking for, and that's only if you were born before today's date in the year 2000 or earlier. Otherwise that would make you jail bait. In case you don't know what jail bait is, it's an underage slut that enjoys seeing older men sent to prison.

[Farah]

Irrelevant comment. A sovereign, international border is just that. Two feet away or 10K miles away.

My country is there by invitation and agreement. Yours is not. It's that simple. Turkey's actions are criminal and the US's are justified by agreement. Simple as that.

Would you PLEASE at least make this a challenge? You're dumber than Pete.


Yea there is a difference, you have been invited by terror groups, we have been invited by innocent local people that oppressed by your inviters.

US is there to support a group that they also recognize as terror organization. They removed all the relevant parts in US national security website.

If someone is supporting a terrorist, how we would name this "someone" as ? Just another terrorist ? Is it not ?

There are also many proofs that ISIS is created and funded and supervised by US-Britain and some other Western countries with less effect.

[Gunny]

Objectify, not idolize is the word you're looking for, and that's only if you were born before today's date in the year 2000 or earlier. Otherwise that would make you jail bait. In case you don't know what jail bait is, it's an underage slut that enjoys seeing older men sent to prison.

Says the chump who is doing his best to be her new best friend. What is it TF? Think you found yourself some 3rd world subservient woman like you like them? Never once have you been as respectful to any woman on this board until some owned twit on a leash comes along. What's the matter? Can't handle a chick with a mind? Seems to be your biggest fear.

We all know the Missus has you on a leash. Guess she needs to keep better tabs on you trying to play Mac Daddy on a message board huh? You're drooling over a child. There isn't an emoticon to convey that amount of disgust.

[Gunny]

Yea there is a difference, you have been invited by terror groups, we have been invited by innocent local people that oppressed by your inviters.

US is there to support a group that they also recognize as terror organization. They removed all the relevant parts in US national security website.

If someone is supporting a terrorist, how we would name this "someone" as ? Just another terrorist ? Is it not ?

There are also many proofs that ISIS is created and funded and supervised by US-Britain and some other Western countries with less effect.So the governments of Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Jordan, Russia and Syria are terror groups? Good to know. I'll inform the UN :rolleyes:

"Everyone else is wrong. Turks know better":rolleyes:

[Farah]

So the governments of Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Jordan, Russia and Syria are terror groups? Good to know. I'll inform the UN :rolleyes:

"Everyone else is wrong. Turks know better":rolleyes:


I didnt meant them but yes they are also terror organizations, much better organized ones.

[Gunny]

I didnt meant them but yes they are also terror organizations, much better organized ones.You're shitting me? For f-ing real you just admitted you're THAT dumb? I honestly didn't even think Turks were that f-ing stupid.

The rest of the world is wrong. Turkey is right. Some little shithole stain in the middle East full of simple-minded thugs knows more than the rest of the civilized world. Like I said. We should have beat your asses into the dirt long ago. It's the only thing thugs understand.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

You started to talk like me, using quote marks to take attention for some words, there are still hope for you to be a nice guy if you would idolize me.
Why in the FUCK would I "idolize" you? Do you know what you're saying? Do you know what "idolize" means?

I'd rather shit in your face than "idolize" you. I've heard enough of your garbage at this point trashing my country that there isn't much of a chance we're ever going to get along.

Not unless we can UN-FUCK some of that muslim brain washing and arrogance, and you can admit that islam is a bloody, stone age cult that is a cancer on earth.

You didn't answer my question either... now get down on your knees and WORSHIP ME while you answer... DO YOU HATE YOUR "BIG" COUSIN FOR HELPING THE AMERICANS?

[Farah]

You're shitting me? For f-ing real you just admitted you're THAT dumb? I honestly didn't even think Turks were that f-ing stupid.

The rest of the world is wrong. Turkey is right. Some little shithole stain in the middle East full of simple-minded thugs knows more than the rest of the civilized world. Like I said. We should have beat your asses into the dirt long ago. It's the only thing thugs understand.


As I said before, being right or wrong has nothing with the number of people defends it. Even if 7 billion people says that 2x2=5, its not 5. All the countries with similar or common interests are defending the same evil actions. You are not civilized, you are thugs living by invading other countries, stealing from others, oppressing others and in this way creating illegal kingdoms for yourself and then claiming you did it by your own. For example, Africa is the most richest continent on the World with over and under ground resources but whole Africa have been colonized by US-Britain-France-Italy and some others. They are not left alone to take even a single breath, they are not allowed to develop, they are not allowed to improve, they are just being robbed and terrorized by YOU !!!

[tailfins]

As I said before, being right or wrong has nothing with the number of people defends it. Even if 7 billion people says that 2x2=5, its not 5. All the countries with similar or common interests are defending the same evil actions. You are not civilized, you are thugs living by invading other countries, stealing from others, oppressing others and in this way creating illegal kingdoms for yourself and then claiming you did it by your own. For example, Africa is the most richest continent on the World with over and under ground resources but whole Africa have been colonized by US-Britain-France-Italy and some others. They are not left alone to take even a single breath, they are not allowed to develop, they are not allowed to improve, they are just being robbed and terrorized by YOU !!!


When countries don't develop, it's almost always because of socialism, corruption or a combination of the two. Numerous people come here to the USA as immigrants and implore our government to rescue their friends and family from a repressive government. How many Americans are in your area asking Turkey for refuge? If I wanted to, I could search voter registration rolls and send a survey to Turkish Americans in my city. That would tell me plenty about Turkey. I'm not even asking you to consider the validity of news sources. I'm giving you a simple task you could do to find the truth.

[Gunny]

As I said before, being right or wrong has nothing with the number of people defends it. Even if 7 billion people says that 2x2=5, its not 5. All the countries with similar or common interests are defending the same evil actions. You are not civilized, you are thugs living by invading other countries, stealing from others, oppressing others and in this way creating illegal kingdoms for yourself and then claiming you did it by your own. For example, Africa is the most richest continent on the World with over and under ground resources but whole Africa have been colonized by US-Britain-France-Italy and some others. They are not left alone to take even a single breath, they are not allowed to develop, they are not allowed to improve, they are just being robbed and terrorized by YOU !!!

You are stupid. I mean really stupid. Are you a registered Democrat?

[High_Plains_Drifter]

As I said before, being right or wrong has nothing with the number of people defends it. Even if 7 billion people says that 2x2=5, its not 5. All the countries with similar or common interests are defending the same evil actions. You are not civilized, you are thugs living by invading other countries, stealing from others, oppressing others and in this way creating illegal kingdoms for yourself and then claiming you did it by your own. For example, Africa is the most richest continent on the World with over and under ground resources but whole Africa have been colonized by US-Britain-France-Italy and some others. They are not left alone to take even a single breath, they are not allowed to develop, they are not allowed to improve, they are just being robbed and terrorized by YOU !!!
I'm going to start calling you HEIR GOEBBELS... or maybe BAGHDAD FARAH.

[Elessar]

You are stupid. I mean really stupid. Are you a registered Democrat?


I'm going to start calling you HEIR GOEBBELS... or maybe BAGHDAD FARAH.

She is a lost cause.

A deluded brain-washed child, trying act out being adult.
Let her rant her propaganda lies so we can further laugh at her.

No wonder that speck on the planet is so backward. Mind control by the
ruling Muslims.

[Drummond]

This has nothing with topic subject. Dont you understand ? The topic subject has nothing with religions, you can start another topic about religions or you can go to a forum about religions. To be honest, I have really serious doubts about your IQ level and I am not telling that to insult you, I am quite serious.

Nope. You're now reduced to insults as a last throw of the dice, as it were.

You know you argue from a position of weakness, so now, you stoop to that level.

As for our relative IQ's .... I know better than to automatically trust what anyone on Twitter posts. Evidently, you do not. Far better to trust reputable news sources, sources with substantial investigative resources available to them, whose purpose in life isn't to push propaganda, but investigate, and report, NEWS.

As to religions .. be honest. Much if not most of what motivates you to be so blinkered in your world outlook comes from the religious climate in Turkey. It no doubt pervades all aspects of life for you. So please don't tell me it's irrelevant. Rather, if you're being honest, it goes to the core of what drives you.


What do funk I just read, so you defend invading countries based on imaginary "crimes". I dont really think that you have a mental stablity, you should go the closest medical center and please leave your pistol or any other weapon at home before going there.

How nice of you. REALLY rattled now, aren't you ? Does it disturb you that your cherished beliefs can be so easily challenged ?

You evade my argument's substance (of course). You instead stoop to diversionary insulting (of course). The truth is, you've a completely closed mind. You COULD use your time here to learn, expand your horizons, inject much-needed balance into your thinking.

Of course, you won't, though. You're 'too intelligent' to see the wisdom of TRYING to, aren't you.

I agree with other posters here. You are a lost cause. You CHOOSE to be, just as you CHOOSE your 'reality'. My patience with you is at an end.

[Drummond]

Then how we are going to decide whether something is false-propaganda or real ? The news we like are "real" and the ones we dont like are "false-propaganda" ?



By the way this forum needs an upgrade in server capacity, I cant connect sometimes (often) due to high server traffic density.

Sure it's not censorship ?

I posted elsewhere that Turkey has taken statutory powers to close down access to sites it doesn't like. It may well be that they're also reducing accessibility to any foreign sites just by limiting permitted 'traffic'.

Yours is not a free society. Farah ... I bet you're so blinkered, that you don't even perceive THAT.

Am I right ?

Don't bother to reply. I'm done with you. I have only so much patience.

[Drummond]

Why in the FUCK would I "idolize" you? Do you know what you're saying? Do you know what "idolize" means?

I'd rather shit in your face than "idolize" you. I've heard enough of your garbage at this point trashing my country that there isn't much of a chance we're ever going to get along.

Not unless we can UN-FUCK some of that muslim brain washing and arrogance, and you can admit that islam is a bloody, stone age cult that is a cancer on earth.

You didn't answer my question either... now get down on your knees and WORSHIP ME while you answer... DO YOU HATE YOUR "BIG" COUSIN FOR HELPING THE AMERICANS?

Her arrogance is truly off the scale.

Gunny made a good point. We actually 'need' the likes of Farah here, to help prove what is true of people from her part of the world. She confirms how right we are in our attitudes. This talk of hers of 'idolizing' her says so very much about the unreasoned arrogance which pervades not only her, but her part of the world.

Besides, this is a kid who hasn't got a clue. She'd never believe that, such is her arrogance. But she betrays the truth about herself with every post.

[Drummond]

FYI, I'm glag this person is here. Because THIS is what I've been talking about for years. Glad she's willing to share the bad taste with everyone else.:clap::clap::clap:

[tailfins]

Her arrogance is truly off the scale.

Gunny made a good point. We actually 'need' the likes of Farah here, to help prove what is true of people from her part of the world. She confirms how right we are in our attitudes. This talk of hers of 'idolizing' her says so very much about the unreasoned arrogance which pervades not only her, but her part of the world.

Besides, this is a kid who hasn't got a clue. She'd never believe that, such is her arrogance. But she betrays the truth about herself with every post.

I would still bet money that if a single male member of your family took her to Salt Bae (The place Maduro ate at) all she would call him is "Sir". You're arguing with a parrot. If you feed her a cracker (or in her case a high end steak), all she will say is "pretty bird". You miss the crucial detail that she knows on which side her bread is buttered. Words don't butter bread, so you don't have a chance.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9c-YGZ8S0k

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I would still bet money that if a single male member of your family took her to Salt Bae (The place Maduro ate at) all she would call him is "Sir". You're arguing with a parrot. If you feed her a cracker (or in her case a high end steak), all she will say is "pretty bird". You miss the crucial detail that she knows on which side her bread is buttered. Words don't butter bread, so you don't have a chance.
I think you just have some kind of warped CRUSH on this filthy little muslim skank. She'd just as soon cut your dick off and shove it in your mouth as look at you. I think you better figure that out.

[Russ]

Especially after the recent coup attempt many Western agents within state departments, in police, in soldier, in judgement have been kicked out it a way.

I still consider the coup attempt in Turkey in 2016 against President Erdogan to be a probable fake "staged coup", orchestrated by Erdogan himself, allowing him to purge anyone he didn't like out of the government, or out of the realm of the living, or out of anywhere else he wanted to control. He kept a state of emergency in place for two years, and essentially turned Turkey from a democracy into a semi-dictatorship.

I remember when the "coup" occurred, and the news reports as it happened. Erdogan was returning from somewhere out of the country in a plane when some half-hearting fighting occurred in Ankara, but was easiliy put down by pro-Erdogan forces who seemed exceptionally ready for the coup.

Even stranger was that Erdogan's plane was due to land at an airport in Ankara, and would have been a easy target of a surface-to-air missile that would have won the coup in ten seconds. Oddly, the coup people didn't think of that. Instead, they engaged in just enough fighting to be called a coup attempt, but not much more.

If you look up the term "staged coup" in the dictionary, I wouldn't be surprised if it just showed a picture of Erdogan.

[Gunny]

I think you just have some kind of warped CRUSH on this filthy little muslim skank. She'd just as soon cut your dick off and shove it in your mouth as look at you. I think you better figure that out.Maybe he won't figure it out. If anyone deserves what they get ...

I came up with an idea. Anyone consider TF is just trying to use this Turk's hatred for America as a smokescreen for him to push his own? I don't recall him ever saying anything good about the US. He'd rather back some wannabe Hitler in Brazil.

Just a thought ...

[Farah]

I still consider the coup attempt in Turkey in 2016 against President Erdogan to be a probable fake "staged coup", orchestrated by Erdogan himself, allowing him to purge anyone he didn't like out of the government, or out of the realm of the living, or out of anywhere else he wanted to control. He kept a state of emergency in place for two years, and essentially turned Turkey from a democracy into a semi-dictatorship.

I remember when the "coup" occurred, and the news reports as it happened. Erdogan was returning from somewhere out of the country in a plane when some half-hearting fighting occurred in Ankara, but was easiliy put down by pro-Erdogan forces who seemed exceptionally ready for the coup.

Even stranger was that Erdogan's plane was due to land at an airport in Ankara, and would have been a easy target of a surface-to-air missile that would have won the coup in ten seconds. Oddly, the coup people didn't think of that. Instead, they engaged in just enough fighting to be called a coup attempt, but not much more.

If you look up the term "staged coup" in the dictionary, I wouldn't be surprised if it just showed a picture of Erdogan.



So now do you create "conspiracy theories" ? Do you question an event ? Do you not also label those who question "9/11" as conspiracy theorists ? There are many signs that US destroyed its own buildings to create an excuse to invade other countries. There is no even tribunals done about it, there are hundreds of tribunals done and will be done about the failed coup attempt.

As I said always, Western people in general are brainwashed people and they are brainwashed because they have the same World perspectives with their brain washers. Both unfriendly and evil. If you want to be fooled, you will be fooled.

If you want to question the failed coup attempt, you can start with searching how many people from US military bases in Turkiye was involved in the coup attempt and how many times coup soldiers had a phone talk with US officials, before-during-after coup attempt, how Britain soldiers waiting in a navy ship anchored close to Turkiye were ready to invade Turkiye under the pretext of securing Britain citizens, how US backed terror groups in Syria and Iraq were waiting with long vehicle convoys to enter Turkiye, how coup soldiers prepared a room full of golden and money to take photos of Erdogan in front of it claiming he was caught while fleeing to abroad with big wealth despite he was in a hotel in southern Turkiye and was trying to come to capital city, how many coup soldiers were fled to Western countries and how Western countries rejects to deliver them to Turkiye ......... and thosands of other proofs and evidences. You cant know any of these things because brainwasher Western media will never make such news.

[Farah]

Turkish minister of internal affairs says that 347 terror attacks have been prevented until now in year 2018. So daily one terror attack, this number is just HUGE. Our security forces are quite succesful.


Plus another one today. Security forces caught 17 ISIS sympathizers planning to perform a bomb attack in city center.

[Drummond]

Turkish minister of internal affairs says that 347 terror attacks have been prevented until now in year 2018. So daily one terror attack, this number is just HUGE. Our security forces are quite succesful.


Plus another one today. Security forces caught 17 ISIS sympathizers planning to perform a bomb attack in city center.

By the sound of it, then (.. IF we believe your account) ... Turkey hasn't eliminated terrorism, as such. Far from it. All you're doing is fending off terrorist efforts to carry out their plans.

This is the very same as the 'bunker mentality' approach. It means that your security people have to be successful 100 percent of the time, whereas, terrorists need only succeed, ONCE.

So tell me. If the 'criminal West' is prone to such criminality, how come the 'NON Criminal East' also suffers it ?? Perhaps .. in your part of the world, terrorists fail to be 'criminals' .. ? Or perhaps, there's no such thing as a terrorist originating from any Eastern country ??

Do tell.

Are you SURE you don't want to start a 'criminal East' thread .. ??

[Farah]

Seven terrorists hiding in a cave been neutralized by a pressure bomb.

Two terrorists wandering around been neutralized by airforces.

[jimnyc]

Seven terrorists hiding in a cave been neutralized by a pressure bomb.

Two terrorists wandering around been neutralized by airforces.

Do we know anything about these 7? Are they muslims?

Like the majority of terrorists around the world, they are likely muslims. Do you condemn Islam and those terrorists and the radicals who will support them and their agendas?

[Farah]

And you can see some terrorists here, they are young in general, fooled or threatened to be a terrorist by other terrorists.

At the end of the video, the soldier says "what happened to your face ?" and terrorist says "I was tripped and fell to the ground while fleeing away", soldier says "Yes fleeing away, this is a good idea, probably you dont even have any hairs in your genital but you are trying to win a fight against a country." Lmafaooo


and these weapons in the hands of terrorists, they are empty, soldiers dont want to carry because weapons are heavy. They are telling soldiers where their terrorist friends are located in the mountains.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrDEQfvhuVk

[jimnyc]

As usual, ignoring people and posting absolute crap, and crap for sources as well.

[Gunny]

As usual, ignoring people and posting absolute crap, and crap for sources as well.Damn nice looking haircut for a terrorist. :rolleyes:

"I tripped and fell to the ground and landed on my face". Seriously? That's right up there with "I'm rubber you're glue ..." :rolleyes:

[High_Plains_Drifter]

https://i.ibb.co/fGjHnkd/Ben.jpg

[Farah]

Actually I share some nice moments in general, between soldiers and terrorists. Soldiers wont be cute all the time, they may throw you from rocks or shot you in the scene and they wont even care you are a female.


Warning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECSPWgIXRAQ

[NightTrain]

Here's a nice clip of the United States Air Force taking out a bunch of terrorists.

This always brings a smile of joy to my face.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apq74cVYcZM

[Farah]

An ISIS member been caught in my city and police find outs that he also has finger prints in the same home where Reina Club attacker was hiding.

[Drummond]

An ISIS member been caught in my city and police find outs that he also has finger prints in the same home where Reina Club attacker was hiding.

No, that's impossible. You've already assured us, Farah, that terrorism is eradicated in Turkey. It is no longer present there. How, then, could any ISIS terrorist be in your city, much less believe he could reasonably stay in your country for any time at all ??

In case you want to take issue with that, consider: even IF Turkey sees no terrorist acts committed in its territory ... for ISIS 'people' to think for a second that they can use Turkey as a place to stay in, means that theoretically you could have cells of them based there, operating from there. This is the complete opposite of having 'eradicated' terrorism.

So, make up your mind. When you've decided upon the truth, try posting accordingly.

[Russ]

So now do you create "conspiracy theories" ?

As I said always, Western people in general are brainwashed people...

If you want to question the failed coup attempt, you can start with searching how many people from US military bases in Turkey was involved in the coup attempt


Hahahaha, that is hilarious! Conspiracy theories and brainwashing, you say, as you hand us your conspiracy theories and try to change our opinions with your borderline-goofy "facts".

As I said, my suspicions are based upon watching live coverage of the "coup" as it occurred, I remember it well. I recall the coverage at first calling it a coup, but within 15 minutes (while events were occurring) it was suggested that it could easily be a staged coup instead, and the military-background commentators saying "Yes, that would easily fit the facts. I could easily see Erdogan doing that". This was real-time - while events were happening.

As I also said, a real coup could easily have succeeded quickly if they had just fired a missile at his plane. They didn't. The "coup" seemed to include only enough attacks to warrant news coverage, not to actually damage Erdogan in any way.

I actually wasted 3 minutes of my time by following your suggestion to search for how many people in US military bases in Turkey were involved in the coup. I wish I could get those 3 minutes back. Anyway, I found nothing related to US military people involved in the coup. I did, however, find ample suspicions from around the world that it was a totally staged coup.

I am right and you are wrong. End of story. :)

[Russ]

Here's a nice clip of the United States Air Force taking out a bunch of terrorists.

This always brings a smile of joy to my face.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apq74cVYcZM

Boom! Bang! :salute: