The Criminal West- told by, east muslim child

[Farah]

Hey, I wanted to start this topic to share and talk about statistics-comparisions-conclusions-contradictions about crimes committed by Western countries. Can I ? If it is going to be disturbing for some "persons" please let me know at the beginning.

I will share the info as below;

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FRANCE

1 of every 40 female workers and 1 of every 80 male workers between 20-69 ages are sexually harrashed at work place


Source: file:///D:/T%C3%9CM%20B%C4%B0LG%C4%B0LER%20BURDA%20S%C4%B0LME/Downloads/harcelement.pdf

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Or I will also use a Twitter account for that and I can directly put a related embed link of it, if forum software supports.

https://twitter.com/criminal_westt/status/1063405266346090496

[Gunny]

Disturbing? Because we care about France ....:rolleyes:

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Hey, I wanted to start this topic to share and talk about statistics-comparisions-conclusions-contradictions about crimes committed by Western countries. Can I ? If it is going to be disturbing for some "persons" please let me know at the beginning.

I will share the info as below;

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FRANCE

1 of every 40 female workers and 1 of every 80 male workers between 20-69 ages are sexually harrashed at work place


Source: file:///D:/T%C3%9CM%20B%C4%B0LG%C4%B0LER%20BURDA%20S%C4%B0LME/Downloads/harcelement.pdf

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Or I will also use a Twitter account for that and I can directly put a related embed link of it, if forum software supports.

https://twitter.com/criminal_westt/status/1063405266346090496
For some reason I'm getting the impression this is going to be a one post person never to return.

"Disturbing?" Why? And what is it you wonder about? Is it the muslims doing the harassing? I thought all you people in Europe were so SEXUALLY LIBERATED.

You can speak freely here. We have this little thing in America called the constitution, and the 1st amendment of our constitution guarantees our right to free speech... for the most part.

[Elessar]

This appears to be a useless thread.

One hell of a 'how do you do' introduction.:laugh:

[High_Plains_Drifter]

This appears to be a useless thread.

One hell of a 'how do you do' introduction.:laugh:
Looks like a "drop a thread and leave" to me.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Here ya go... just like I figured... you frenchies created this mess... now deal with it... got NO IDEA why you titled this thread "THE CRIMINAL WEST"...


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Muslim rapes teen girl, acquitted due to 'cultural norms'


'Women are relegated to the status of sexual object'


Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2018/11/muslim-rapes-teen-girl-acquitted-due-to-cultural-norms/#VjDRdrSAGkPzOz3M.99

[Abbey Marie]

I’m just curious why she put “person” in quote marks. Does she think we are all robots?

[Gunny]

I’m just curious why she put “person” in quote marks. Does she think we are all robots?You mean like "it" most likely is? :)

[LongTermGuy]

http://conservativepapers.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/humanoid.jpg
The coming explosion in Artificial Intelligence, robotics, and Humanoid technologies could be just what the doctor ordered in order to restock the conservative base without the time-consuming and costly aggravations of PC diversity and other pandering nonsense.

Rather than competing with Democrats to win over illegal aliens, gun control freaks, potential jihadists, sexual deviants, abortion advocates, socialists, multicultural enthusiasts, peace mongers, feminists and other progressive undesirables, conservative leaders should work with scientists to develop humanoid machines that can be programmed to vote straight conservative, indefinitely and automatically.

**Such machines are urgently needed to assure that the likes of Barack Obama are never again able to seize the US Presidency and take the nation on a journey to the gut-wrenching, fundamental transformation by exploiting the “stupidity” of American voter and by masking such tactics by covertly suppressing transparency!

It would, of course, be necessary to devise and implement laws that would allow only conservative humanoids to vote; however, creative technical wizards can work around that obstacle easily enough.

Time is of the essence! Liberals already have approximately 47 percent of voters mesmerized into voting stupidly in exchange for free cell phones, food stamps, and other costly gratuities paid for by taxpayers.

Quick action is needed to avoid disaster !

In order to preserve our liberty and the purity of our democracy, we need 4-6 million fully-programmed conservative humanoids ready for assignment to strategically critical precincts in crucial battleground states !"

:coffee:

[Farah]

Disturbing? Because we care about France ....:rolleyes:

I am going to share infos about any Western countries. France is just one of them. I also have a project about that which is a bit similar to Wikipedia but still not compate.


For some reason I'm getting the impression this is going to be a one post person never to return.

"Disturbing?" Why? And what is it you wonder about? Is it the muslims doing the harassing? I thought all you people in Europe were so SEXUALLY LIBERATED.

You can speak freely here. We have this little thing in America called the constitution, and the 1st amendment of our constitution guarantees our right to free speech... for the most part.

I dont think so, Western people in general are brainwashed to think that they have freedom of speech. Yes this is partially true, so not only in Western countries but in most of the countries in the World people have freedom of speech until some borders, when they start to disturb state interests, they will be silenced in a way.


I’m just curious why she put “person” in quote marks. Does she think we are all robots?

I dont know, just an improvisational behavior. There are always some "persons" in a society that provokes others to take an action.

[darin]

Here's the thing with things kind of...things.

Who gives a shit? There is no 'west' and no 'east' and no fingers to point. People are and have been and will continue to do bad things. The west is no more immune (however probably less culpable) in the history of world crimes.

[Farah]

By the way I have started the same topic in different forums, dont get mad at me if you come across with it while surfing. I got immediately banned from some of these other forums and two of them didnt allow me to start such a topic.

[NightTrain]

We have no French members here, Farah.

Would you like to talk about America's killer drones, instead?

[Farah]

We have no French members here, Farah.

Would you like to talk about America's killer drones, instead?


But I collect informations general about Western countries. I would like to have a database about Eastern countries too but its not a priority for now. Another point that we easterners see the Europe as one piece, like as United States of Europe and all the countries one by one are actually provinces-states of it. So when I say Western, its (US+Canada) + (Europe)

[NightTrain]

But I collect informations general about Western countries. I would like to have a database about Eastern countries too but its not a priority for now. Another point that we easterners see the Europe as one piece, like as United States of Europe and all the countries one by one are actually provinces-states of it. So when I say Western, its (US+Canada) + (Europe)


I think you'll find that most people on this board don't really care about Europe's issues, as we feel they've doomed themselves with allowing a muslim horde to invade their countries. Britain alone has done the only sensible thing by withdrawing from the EU. The rest have their heads in the sand and are hoping for the best.

America has saved Europe from themselves many times and we're not interested in doing it again. This time they'll have to fix it themselves.

Sexual harassment in the workplace in France doesn't even register on my Care Meter. There's much bigger fish to fry.

[Farah]

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USA

At least four most known faces of Ferguson riots have died suspiciously since 2014.


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Source: https://www.elitedaily.com/life/culture/ferguson-protestors-killed-edward-crawford-michael-brown/1895155
https://www.thecut.com/2018/11/another-ferguson-protester-bassem-masri-has-died.html
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[NightTrain]

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USA

At least four most known faces of Ferguson riots have died suspiciously since 2014.


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Source: http://elitedai.ly/2P8csew
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Excellent!

And we haven't had any riots since then.

[Drummond]

I think you'll find that most people on this board don't really care about Europe's issues, as we feel they've doomed themselves with allowing a muslim horde to invade their countries. Britain alone has done the only sensible thing by withdrawing from the EU. The rest have their heads in the sand and are hoping for the best.

America has saved Europe from themselves many times and we're not interested in doing it again. This time they'll have to fix it themselves.

Sexual harassment in the workplace in France doesn't even register on my Care Meter. There's much bigger fish to fry.

Couldn't agree more with this.

You've done great things to liberate Europe from messes of its own creation (WWII comes to mind, to say nothing of NATO since). You've been shown scant appreciation for your efforts, even your losses. But now, the EU exists ... and regards itself as an emerging SuperPower, even intent upon creating its own army .. and a financial, trading, power set up to rival others, including yours !!

So, why should you care ? Quite.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

...Western people in general are brainwashed to think that they have freedom of speech...
So... you come here asking us what we think about your women being sexually harassed, and then tell us we're all BRAIN WASHED?

If we're all BRAIN WASHED, then why in the hell do you care what we think?

Sure didn't take long for your America hating French to come out, did it?

[Farah]

So... you come here asking us what we think about your women being sexually harassed, and then tell us we're all BRAIN WASHED?

If we're all BRAIN WASHED, then why in the hell do you care what we think?

Sure didn't take long for your America hating French to come out, did it?


I am not a French as ethnic nor citizenship.

[tailfins]

I am going to share infos about any Western countries. France is just one of them. I also have a project about that which is a bit similar to Wikipedia but still not compate.



I dont think so, Western people in general are brainwashed to think that they have freedom of speech. Yes this is partially true, so not only in Western countries but in most of the countries in the World people have freedom of speech until some borders, when they start to disturb state interests, they will be silenced in a way.



You are absolutely correct. One's speech is just as restricted working in a typical US corporation as it is visiting Communist Cuba.

However, the "border" isn't state interest, it's running afoul of the "social justice" police in many universities and human resource departments. For an example, study the example of James DaMore.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I am not a French as ethnic nor citizenship.
Whatever... you're European and insulted all of us here in America as brain washed.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

You are absolutely correct. One's speech is just as restricted working in a typical US corporation as it is visiting Communist Cuba.

However, the "border" isn't state interest, it's running afoul of the "social justice" police in many universities and human resource departments. For an example, study the example of James DaMore.
No, she's not correct.

[Farah]

Whatever... you're European and insulted all of us here in America as brain washed.

No I am not a European. I didnt use the word "brainwashed" as an insult. I just mean a fake unlimited freedom indoctrination is preached 7/24 and people are strongly motivated to believe in it.

[aboutime]

You've come to the wrong place Farah. Nobody really cares what you are espousing here.

We can tell, you hate the West, and no-doubt, Americans. By the way.

YOU FORGOT TO HIT THE BUTTON when you joined, that said "I AM NOT A ROBOT".

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/9b2b6a5fb1cf7dd07e87027478913c979f64d5a0/c=0-0-279-210/local/-/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2014/12/03/635531655682537096-Screen-Shot-2014-12-02-at-10.08.55-PM.jpg?width=534&height=401&fit=crop

PLEASE PRESS THIS BUTTON TILL THE COWS COME HOME!

[Farah]

You've come to the wrong place Farah. Nobody really cares what you are espousing here.

We can tell, you hate the West, and no-doubt, Americans. By the way.

YOU FORGOT TO HIT THE BUTTON when you joined, that said "I AM NOT A ROBOT".


PLEASE PRESS THIS BUTTON TILL THE COWS COME HOME!



As I said in the first post, if you are going to be disturbed by my posts, I simply wont come again. Do you want that ?

[Black Diamond]

As I said in the first post, if you are going to be disturbed by my posts, I simply wont come again. Do you want that ?

Hey Fawcett
Why leave if you're getting the reaction you want

[High_Plains_Drifter]

No I am not a European. I didnt use the word "brainwashed" as an insult. I just mean a fake unlimited freedom indoctrination is preached 7/24 and people are strongly motivated to believe in it.
If you're not from France, and not from Europe at all, then why are you asking about sexual harassment in FRANCE? I'm not sure, but there's something fishy going on with you. I don't think you're being completely honest.

And I can assure you, here in America, when you tell us we're BRAIN WASHED, we take that as an insult, and back peddling to say were INDOCTRINATED isn't much better. We are THE, FREEIST, nation on the PLANET. No other nation in the WORLD enjoys ALL the FREEDOMS we do. So my advice would be to chose your words more carefully if you want a cordial discussion.

[aboutime]

As I said in the first post, if you are going to be disturbed by my posts, I simply wont come again. Do you want that ?


You come here, unknown, and unannounced, and you want us to decide whether you should stay? It doesn't really matter what any of us want. You came here to throw stones, and when we throw them back...you say you won't come back?

How liberal of you?

PLEASE PRESS THE BUTTON. ROBOTS with no intelligence can't do it.

[Farah]

If you're not from France, and not from Europe at all, then why are you asking about sexual harassment in FRANCE? I'm not sure, but there's something fishy going on with you. I don't think you're being completely honest.

And I can assure you, here in America, when you tell us we're BRAIN WASHED, we take that as an insult, and back peddling to say were INDOCTRINATED isn't much better. We are THE, FREEIST, nation on the PLANET. No other nation in the WORLD enjoys ALL the FREEDOMS we do. So my advice would be to chose your words more carefully if you want a cordial discussion.


Yes sir, you are. Sorry, English is not my native language and sometimes I use wrong words to explain myself.

[tailfins]

Yes sir, you are. Sorry, English is not my native language and sometimes I use wrong words to explain myself.

What is your first language? I too, criticize the North (as opposed to the West). You caution that some here might be offended by your premises. I caution you in the same manner. You lament that thugs died in Ferguson, MO? They deserved every bit of it. My household is NOT a Trump family; we are a BOLSONARO family. What's that mean? It means that cops who kill street urchins get rewarded. It means that criminal aliens get their belongings burned by townspeople and no one is prosecuted. If it's a choice between upstanding citizens getting knifed when they go out for ice cream versus thugs that get mowed down by machine gun toting police or soldiers, I will choose the upstanding citizens every time. If a populace votes to raid the treasury at the ballot box, a right-wing military dictatorship is an improvement. If a woman wants to destroy a man for pinching her little tushy, she should be laughed out of town.

https://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/640-width/images/print-edition/20171111_AMP001_0.jpg

Here's more Bolsonaro (Portuguese with English subtitles):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVdgCFJZmgI

[Drummond]

I am not a French as ethnic nor citizenship.

From Russia, then, or the Middle East ? I'm thinking that maybe you're refraining from telling us your country of origin because we'd recognise it as a political adversary .. and all this may mean for your intentions on this board.

Perhaps you picked on France as the first of other targets. Western ones, undoubtedly, if so.

You undoubtedly have an agenda, and one not particularly (if at all) amenable to the West. Your approach comes across rather as though you hope to prod a wasp's nest and watch the reaction ... one, you'd hope, of unsettling us in our beliefs and perspectives ?

Do you come here as any sort of 'friend', or even as an objective commentator ? The thread title infers a strong 'no' to this .. clearly.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Yes sir, you are. Sorry, English is not my native language and sometimes I use wrong words to explain myself.
No, we're not, and you still haven't mentioned where you're from, although denying you're from several places. In any case, the board admin here can find out where you're at, unless you're hiding behind a proxy, and then why would do that if you were being honest? So who are you and where are you from? Don't lie.

You remind me an awful lot of another person that's been banned here a couple times now already. The "Yes sir, you are," looks like a dead give-a-way, not to mention your whack job thread title, "The Criminal West." I wouldn't be surprised if you were him making his third attempt to infiltrate the board. In any case, you're a troll one way or another.

I think you're a fraud, and you can kindly go fuck yourself for coming here and within your first 5 posts, insulting us Americans and then tripling down on it.

[LongTermGuy]

Farah....I see you....

http://i1.tribune.com.pk/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Farah-Deeba-640x480.jpg

[Farah]

What is your first language? I too, criticize the North (as opposed to the West). You caution that some here might be offended by your premises. I caution you in the same manner. You lament that thugs died in Ferguson, MO? They deserved every bit of it. My household is NOT a Trump family; we are a BOLSONARO family. What's that mean? It means that cops who kill street urchins get rewarded. It means that criminal aliens get their belongings burned by townspeople and no one is prosecuted. If it's a choice between upstanding citizens getting knifed when they go out for ice cream versus thugs that get mowed down by machine gun toting police or soldiers, I will choose the upstanding citizens every time. If a populace votes to raid the treasury at the ballot box, a right-wing military dictatorship is an improvement. If a woman wants to destroy a man for pinching her little tushy, she should be laughed out of town.

My first languages are Arabic, Turkish and second is Armenian. If a country claims of being a democracy, people cant punish someones themselves by taking over the duties of security forces and court. Its a criminal action.





From Russia, then, or the Middle East ? I'm thinking that maybe you're refraining from telling us your country of origin because we'd recognise it as a political adversary .. and all this may mean for your intentions on this board.

Perhaps you picked on France as the first of other targets. Western ones, undoubtedly, if so.

You undoubtedly have an agenda, and one not particularly (if at all) amenable to the West. Your approach comes across rather as though you hope to prod a wasp's nest and watch the reaction ... one, you'd hope, of unsettling us in our beliefs and perspectives ?

Do you come here as any sort of 'friend', or even as an objective commentator ? The thread title infers a strong 'no' to this .. clearly.

No you create these things in your mind and has nothing with reality. I dont think its important that where I live. So it has nothing with topic subject. I have stated my agenda in the first post , sharing information about crimes committed by Western countries.





No, we're not, and you still haven't mentioned where you're from, although denying you're from several places. In any case, the board admin here can find out where you're at, unless you're hiding behind a proxy, and then why would do that if you were being honest? So who are you and where are you from? Don't lie.

You remind me an awful lot of another person that's been banned here a couple times now already. The "Yes sir, you are," looks like a dead give-a-way, not to mention your whack job thread title, "The Criminal West." I wouldn't be surprised if you were him making his third attempt to infiltrate the board. In any case, you're a troll one way or another.

I think you're a fraud, and you can kindly go fuck yourself for coming here and within your first 5 posts, insulting us Americans and then tripling down on it.

I dont use a proxy, admins could see my location. No I dont insult. No I am being a member here for the first time.




Farah....I see you....

She is way too older than me.

[Farah]

Could I share my social media account links as sources ?

[LongTermGuy]

Could I share my social media account links as sources ?

Good Morning Farah....send a private message to a mod for better direction....


:saluting2:

[High_Plains_Drifter]

My first languages are Arabic, Turkish and second is Armenian. If a country claims of being a democracy, people cant punish someones themselves by taking over the duties of security forces and court. Its a criminal action.
America is a REPUBLIC, not a democracy.



...crimes committed by Western countries.
Did you come here to discuss muslim men harassing, attacking and raping women in France, or to accuse what you're calling "western countries" of unknown, unproven crimes... and call us all brain washed and indoctrinated?



I dont use a proxy, admins could see my location. No I dont insult. No I am being a member here for the first time.
So you're in Turkey, and probably a muslim woman. That explains a lot.

[Farah]

America is a REPUBLIC, not a democracy. Did you come here to discuss muslim men harassing, attacking and raping women in France, or to accuse what you're calling "western countries" of unknown, unproven crimes... and call us all brain washed and indoctrinated? So you're in Turkey, and probably a muslim woman. That explains a lot.

So am I not allowed to keep sharing info ? You confuse me.

[NightTrain]

Just to help clear the waters : Farah is a new member.

Please treat her as such.

[Drummond]

No you create these things in your mind and has nothing with reality. I dont think its important that where I live. So it has nothing with topic subject. I have stated my agenda in the first post , sharing information about crimes committed by Western countries.

It turns out that one of my speculations as to your origin is correct, Farah. Evidently, your origin (and maybe where you are, right now ?) is from the Middle East.

Farah .. with all due respect, I'd say this to your assertion about its not being important where you live. Taken entirely literally: you may well have a point. You may be living in a Western democracy .. somewhere ... YET, be carrying in your mind all of the biases, all of the attitudes, may I also suggest all of the 'indoctrinated beliefs', of the society you originated from.

You may well be here to give us a sample of all those biases, and to assert that they represent absolute truth.

To all this, I'd say the following: whatever your views and beliefs are (unless, perhaps based on 'standards' reflecting a highly offensive prejudice ? Arguable, that !!), you're free to express them, and see what responses you get. However .. in debating, you'd ideally also be receptive to countering arguments, points, evidence that comes your way as a consequence.

If you're here just to preach and insist that all you say is right, irrespective of any and all opposition ... you can't expect that to go down well !!

The title of this thread is suggestive of sweeping generalisation and bias .. if I'm reacting honestly, Farah. On that basis, I'd not say it's a particularly good start here !!

But, that's just my view.

Be receptive to others' opinions ... argue objectively, backing up your arguments, where you can, with supporting evidence. Such an approach, Farah, is helpful, useful, and the ultimate enemy of propagandising for its own sake (or, done in the service of a purposeful agenda).

I hope this has been a help to you.

[Noir]

Just to help clear the waters : Farah is a new member.

Please treat her as such.

ikr, talk about a warm welcome!

[Drummond]

ikr, talk about a warm welcome!

Starting off participation with a thread entitled 'The Criminal West', Noir, isn't indicative of warm, good-fellowship ! At best, it's provocative !!

I'm hoping for some good, objective debate from our newcomer. Let's see what follows, shall we ?

[tailfins]

With 7 billion people on this planet, no one could possibly keep track of all the points of reference someone can have. For example, to people who live under repression, corruption and bribery can bring needed relief. Such people would sing the praises of corruption and bribery.

[Black Diamond]

So am I not allowed to keep sharing info ? You confuse me.

Keep sharing about the atrocities we have committed. I am certain you won't leave out the unborn......

[Farah]

With 7 billion people on this planet, no one could possibly keep track of all the points of reference someone can have. For example, to people who live under repression, corruption and bribery can bring needed relief. Such people would sing the praises of corruption and bribery.


I have such a project. I meant it in some other forums where I started the same topic. Its a bit similar to Wikipedia but not the same thing. It may include a software to collect related information on the internet.

[Black Diamond]

America is a REPUBLIC, not a democracy.



Did you come here to discuss muslim men harassing, attacking and raping women in France, or to accuse what you're calling "western countries" of unknown, unproven crimes... and call us all brain washed and indoctrinated?



So you're in Turkey, and probably a muslim woman. That explains a lot.

There are Americans who bash America. They go down a whole list.

[Farah]

Okay I keep sharing info.

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SPAIN

Every year about 10.000 bulls are killed for fun.

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Source: http://www.gatoflauta.com/2015/07/19/toros/

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[tailfins]

Okay I keep sharing info.

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SPAIN

Every year about 10.000 bulls are killed for fun.

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Source: http://www.gatoflauta.com/2015/07/19/toros/

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People who complain about it neutered the sport in Mexico. Now they use clip-on "swords" that don't penetrate the animal's hide. :lame2:

[Gunny]

I am going to share infos about any Western countries. France is just one of them. I also have a project about that which is a bit similar to Wikipedia but still not compate.



Here's a BETTER plan instead of talking crap about "Criminal Western countries". How about you explain the difference between the Turkish ethnic cleansing of Armenians in 1915 and the Turkish ethnic cleansing of Kurds in 2018. Erdogan declares kurds terrorists so he can systematically murder them.

Then you can tell us all about equal rights for women in Turkey. Love to hear it. For ALL classes. Not just the privileged.

[tailfins]

Maybe she was referring to the West side of Manhattan. She reminded me of this song.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auhwI00iKWg

[Gunny]

Okay I keep sharing info.

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SPAIN

Every year about 10.000 bulls are killed for fun.

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Source: http://www.gatoflauta.com/2015/07/19/toros/

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Turkey. Every year thousands of Kurds are killed based on the accusation that they are criminals.

Syria. Turkey invaded the sovereign nation of Syria in 2018 under the guise of helping isolate and defeat ISIS and used it an an excuse to murder kurdish farmers/noncombatants using military force, labeling them criminals.

[LongTermGuy]

Okay I keep sharing info.

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SPAIN

Every year about 10.000 bulls are killed for fun.

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Source: http://www.gatoflauta.com/2015/07/19/toros/

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otna9Pe3jWg

[Drummond]

Okay I keep sharing info.

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SPAIN

Every year about 10.000 bulls are killed for fun.

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Source: http://www.gatoflauta.com/2015/07/19/toros/

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Well, Farah ... if you think bullfighting deserves a mention, I'm sure, then, that Muslim honor killings will also be a major enough issue to qualify for consideration ? I mean ... why ever not ?

So, here's a taste of what I'm referring to (and you'll readily realise that this is far more geographically widespread than just the example I'm offering):

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/05/28/in-pakistan-honor-killings-claim-1000-womens-lives-annually-why-is-this-still-happening/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.26912abbaed1


On Tuesday, a pregnant 25-year-old woman was stoned to death by her family for marrying a man she loved.

The stoning took place in the middle of the day, outside a courthouse, beside a busy thoroughfare. The woman and her husband had been “in love,” her husband said, and they’d gone to a courthouse to sign the paperwork. Outside, the woman’s father, brothers and extended family waited. When the couple emerged, the family reportedly tried to snatch her, then murdered her.

“I killed my daughter as she had insulted all of our family by marrying a man without our consent, and I have no regret over it,” her father told police, adding that it had been an “honor killing.”

The anecdote is horrifying. But even more horrifying is the regularity with which honor killings and stonings occur in Pakistan.

Despite creeping modernity, secular condemnation and the fact there’s no reference to stoning in the Koran, honor killings claim the lives of more than 1,000 Pakistani women every year, according to a Pakistani rights group.

They have widespread appeal. Eighty-three percent of Pakistanis support stonings for adultery according to a Pew survey, and only 8 percent oppose it. Even those who chose modernity over Islamic fundamentalism overwhelmingly favor stonings, according to Pew research.

It’s the year 2014. Why is this still happening?

Some Islamic fundamentalists think that only through the murder of an offending family member can honor be restored to the rest of the family. Honor killings predominantly affect women — 943 women were killed under such circumstances in 2011 and another 869 in 2013, though not all of them were stoned. Some were just gunned down in cold blood.

One man in Punjab province suspected his teenage nieces of having “inappropriate relations” with two boys. So on Jan. 11, he killed both girls, confessed and said he did it for “honor.”

I invite your comments, Farah !!

[Drummond]

Same issue ... honor killings. Since Turkey is getting a mention, here's my offering:

https://clarionproject.org/islamist-takeover-turkeys-honor-killing-rate-highest-world-25/


According to the Turkish Government figures, after the Islamists rose to power in 2002, the rate of honor killings in Turkey increased at alarmingly in the deeply religious segments of the Turkish society, turning Turkey into a leading country afflicted by honor killings. After the current ruling Islamist party, the AKP, came to power in 2002, reports Christian Science Monitor (CSM), honor killings increased "14 fold" over the next seven years. There were 66 cases of honor killings in 2002, which rose 953 in the first seven months of 2009.

In Pakistan, notorious for honor killing, Human Rights Commission of Pakistan recorded 943 cases of such killings in 2011, and about 100 less in 2010. That means Turkey had about double the number of honor killings in 2009 as compared the number honor-killed in Pakistan in 2011. Given Pakistan has a population of 177 million as compared to Turkey’s 75 million, Turkey has an honor-killing rate, which is greater than 5 times higher than that of Pakistan.

I'm still inviting you to comment, Farah ...

[Farah]

Here's a BETTER plan instead of talking crap about "Criminal Western countries". How about you explain the difference between the Turkish ethnic cleansing of Armenians in 1915 and the Turkish ethnic cleansing of Kurds in 2018. Erdogan declares kurds terrorists so he can systematically murder them.

Then you can tell us all about equal rights for women in Turkey. Love to hear it. For ALL classes. Not just the privileged.


This is why I said its not important that where I live. Its human nature that people in general will avoid to face with a bad accusation directed at them and will want to fend it by making some counter bad accusation. Does not matter what countries it is, I wrote my location as Zimbabwe in another forum and some people started to talk about how a bad countri Zimbabwe is. Your comments have nothing with subject of this topic but I am going to share some related informations for you.

[Farah]

Same issue ... honor killings. Since Turkey is getting a mention, here's my offering:

https://clarionproject.org/islamist-takeover-turkeys-honor-killing-rate-highest-world-25/



I'm still inviting you to comment, Farah ...


Your comments have nothing with forum subject, please start another topic for them.

[Farah]

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ALLIED EUROPEAN COUNTRIES

While all the Turkish men were at war fronts and their families were alone in towns, about 523.000 Turkish civilians mostly children, women and elders were murdered by Armenian terror gangs that backed by allied European countries of WW, between 1905-1920.

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Source: https://books.google.com.tr/books?id=8QoNONBC5K8C&pg=PA115&lpg=PA115&dq=523000+turks+murdered+by+armenians&source=bl&ots=64zoK9JWEq&sig=YPZh4O5FQhwLLnZFtgTgOjv1GP4&hl=tr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi0q5z8k-_eAhWsDsAKHcc3CDQQ6AEwDHoECAIQAQ#v=onepage&q=523000%20turks%20murdered%20by%20armenians&f=false

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[Kathianne]

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ALLIED EUROPEAN COUNTRIES

While all the Turkish men were at war fronts and their families were alone in towns, about 523.000 Turkish civilians mostly children, women and elders were murdered by Armenian terror gangs that backed by allied European countries of WW, between 1905-1920.

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Source: https://books.google.com.tr/books?id=8QoNONBC5K8C&pg=PA115&lpg=PA115&dq=523000+turks+murdered+by+armenians&source=bl&ots=64zoK9JWEq&sig=YPZh4O5FQhwLLnZFtgTgOjv1GP4&hl=tr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi0q5z8k-_eAhWsDsAKHcc3CDQQ6AEwDHoECAIQAQ#v=onepage&q=523000%20turks%20murdered%20by%20armenians&f=false

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The link you sent, it says 'you've reached your limit to view this page. When I searched for some other source, I get only the 1 return to the site you linked to.

1 site. Do you know what that means? 1 source. Could it possibly be biased? I dunno, but seems a tad more than likely.

Whereas, the Armenian genocide has been well documented, by investigations, research teams, Turks that participated, etc.

In any case, even if you are correct, the defense you are putting up is that the 'west has done bad things, all are equal...' they are not.

[CSM]

Seems to me we have a newcomer who wants to bash "the West" without repercussion. What I am reading is "I can insult and criticize your culture, country and society but you cannot do the same to me." Naturally, that is why the poster will not reveal their country of origin. One way street... gotta love it.

[Drummond]

Your comments have nothing with forum subject, please start another topic for them.

Your forum subject has, as its premise, that 'The West' is guilty of 'criminality'. If not, then, what's the point of it ?

There is one obvious point: to single out 'The West' for criticism .. specifically.

WHY ? Tell me in your own words why you're singling out the West as your chosen target.

It speaks to the subject of this thread to question the exclusivity, therefore the relevance, of its premise !! To build a clear case to show that, whatever criticisms you single out the West for, can at least (if not rather more so !!) be levied at other parts of the world, too.

... such as your own backyard, for example ?

Of course, Farah, I understand that this defies the purpose of your thread ... to put some sort of spotlight on the West, and deflect criticisms for anywhere else NOT of your specific choosing. Nonetheless, since your own part of the world can be similarly targeted with due merit in doing so, then, your point, your intention, your real agenda in failing to, is .... WHAT ?

... Explain, please ....

[Drummond]

Seems to me we have a newcomer who wants to bash "the West" without repercussion. What I am reading is "I can insult and criticize your culture, country and society but you cannot do the same to me." Naturally, that is why the poster will not reveal their country of origin. One way street... gotta love it.

Exactly.

Of course, Farah is invited to offer us an alternative explanation. I won't hold my breath for one, though ! :rolleyes:

[Farah]

The link you sent, it says 'you've reached your limit to view this page. When I searched for some other source, I get only the 1 return to the site you linked to.

1 site. Do you know what that means? 1 source. Could it possibly be biased? I dunno, but seems a tad more than likely.

Whereas, the Armenian genocide has been well documented, by investigations, research teams, Turks that participated, etc.

In any case, even if you are correct, the defense you are putting up is that the 'west has done bad things, all are equal...' they are not.


I am not putting a defense, I share an information based on Ottoman archives. No its not well investigated nor documented.

[Farah]

Your forum subject has, as its premise, that 'The West' is guilty of 'criminality'. If not, then, what's the point of it ?

There is one obvious point: to single out 'The West' for criticism .. specifically.

WHY ? Tell me in your own words why you're singling out the West as your chosen target.

It speaks to the subject of this thread to question the exclusivity, therefore the relevance, of its premise !! To build a clear case to show that, whatever criticisms you single out the West for, can at least (if not rather more so !!) be levied at other parts of the world, too.

... such as your own backyard, for example ?

Of course, Farah, I understand that this defies the purpose of your thread ... to put some sort of spotlight on the West, and deflect criticisms for anywhere else NOT of your specific choosing. Nonetheless, since your own part of the world can be similarly targeted with due merit in doing so, then, your point, your intention, your real agenda in failing to, is .... WHAT ?

... Explain, please ....


I dont understand you. There is nothing to explain. So I am interested with a subject and I ve started a topic about it. This is like asking that why I want to eat a milk ice cream and why I dont want to put some chocolate sauce on it.

[Kathianne]

I dont understand you. There is nothing to explain. So I am interested with a subject and I ve started a topic about it. This is like asking that why I want to eat a milk ice cream and why I dont want to put some chocolate sauce on it.
So, you just wish to post a topic for your interest, no discussion? That seems to be what you are saying.

This is a discussion board, meaning there is give and take. One starts a topic and others respond and so on.

Starting a thread though, doesn't give any power to control whom responds or how they respond, it may well go in directions you'd rather it not have. Happens to all.

[Abbey Marie]

Farah, are you familiar with the expression “People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones”? It will help explain why folks here are not liking your West-bashing without admitting your country’s own violent past.
Also, as Kathianne explained, we are a debate-based board, not a place to deposit propaganda and leave.

[tailfins]

So, you just wish to post a topic for your interest, no discussion? That seems to be what you are saying.

This is a discussion board, meaning there is give and take. One starts a topic and others respond and so on.

Starting a thread though, doesn't give any power to control whom responds or how they respond, it may well go in directions you'd rather it not have. Happens to all.

That's actually an effective strategy. However she is going about it wrong. Start a thread and never post anything else in that thread. She may be only regurgitating the only thing she has ever heard in her life. I will corroborate some of Farah's mindset with lifetime experience. The English speaking society in the US is cranky, touchy, ill-tempered and only fit for making money. Why would anyone in their right mind volunteer to walk on eggshells all the time? Some of you may have noticed a different posting style. It is born of having utterly and complete given up on English speaking society. I EXPECT people to be touchy, cranky and ill-tempered. Professionally, my current gig is being the US contact for work being done by an offshore team in Bolivia. Especially here in Texas, dealing with English speaking society is optional. I have mostly opted out.

The tar pit to be avoided is the "back and forth". Don't do it. Some refer to it as "banter". The corporatespeak term for it is "don't engage". That means strictly send and receive information and nothing else.

I can boil it down to two words:

Be impersonal.

[Farah]

Farah, are you familiar with the expression “People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones”? It will help explain why folks here are not liking your West-bashing without admitting your country’s own violent past.
Also, as Kathianne explained, we are a debate-based board, not a place to deposit propaganda and leave.


I see what you mean but this topic is about Western countries. If what you say was true the forum would be consist of only one topic and people would talk anything under this single topic. There are different sections and different topics because all of them has their own unique subjects, like this one.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

That's actually an effective strategy. However she is going about it wrong. Start a thread and never post anything else in that thread. She may be only regurgitating the only thing she has ever heard in her life. I will corroborate some of Farah's mindset with lifetime experience. The English speaking society in the US is cranky, touchy, ill-tempered and only fit for making money. Why would anyone in their right mind volunteer to walk on eggshells all the time? Some of you may have noticed a different posting style. It is born of having utterly and complete given up on English speaking society. I EXPECT people to be touchy, cranky and ill-tempered. Professionally, my current gig is being the US contact for work being done by an offshore team in Bolivia. Especially here in Texas, dealing with English speaking society is optional. I have mostly opted out.

The tar pit to be avoided is the "back and forth". Don't do it. Some refer to it as "banter". The corporatespeak term for it is "don't engage". That means strictly send and receive information and nothing else.

I can boil it down to two words:

Be impersonal.
So you want to join in on the West hate fest, aye... so, so far, we Americans are brain washed, indoctrinated and criminals, and now you want to add we're cranky, touchy, ill tempered and only fit for making money.

Well, excuse the hell otta me for being cranky, but after someone spews all that crap in my face, I'm going to be cranky. What else would you expect? You expect us all to say WE LOVE YOUR INSULTS, and THANK YOU?

I don't know how discussions go on you two's planet, but here on earth, you start insulting Americans, don't expect a warm reception, and ya know what else, I highly doubt either of you two enjoy your country and people being insulted, and I know damn well your response would be much the same, probably worse.

So I don't know how long this is going to go on, but it should be clear to anyone with an IQ over 15 that it's an America/the west bashing thread. Farah doesn't want to DISCUSS anything. She wants to post propaganda about "THE CRIMINAL WEST," and then she wants to act all innocent and pretend she doesn't know why anyone here is upset.

Gimme a break.

[jimnyc]

I'm just glad that the USA isn't rife with terrorism and the acceptance of such. :rolleyes:

And not ancient history, but rather for the past 3 decades. Active terrorism doesn't really make it a place I'd ever like to visit. And this doesn't even count regular "crime", which also has been on a huge rise since the early 90's.

And not to mention, major warnings from the likes of the State Department, and also the UK and quite a few others about visiting Turkey for a vacation or whatever. And yet, folks will walk through entire countries to get to the USA.

In fact, that ENTIRE REGION is a shithole that can gladly stay on the other side of the world. I'll take the west and crime over the east and many shitholes and non-stop terrorism.


Terrorism in Turkey

Terrorism in Turkey is a significant issue for Turkish authorities. While the government labels deaths in Kurdish–Turkish conflict (1978–present) as terrorism related, this is disputed by others. In addition involvement in the Syrian Civil War and radical political elements in the country have also been a source for alleged terrorist incidents. The violence has had a negative impact on the country's tourism sector.

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1980s and 1990s

In the 1980s and 1990s, Jihadist terrorism in Turkey was an isolated phenomenon represented by the Turkish Hezbollah and the Great Eastern Islamic Raiders' Front. Since the 2000s, there has been a rise in attacks from Islamist groups, some with links to Al-Qaeda. One group that has been studied by researchers is the Turkish Hezbollah.

In the 1990s, Islamic terrorist organizations were active in Turkey. Their objective was to bring down the secular democratic regime in Turkey and to establish an Islamic Sharia‐based state (similar to Iran). In July 1993, an arson attack took place where extremists set fire to a hotel where a cultural festival was taking place. Islamic groups attacked and threatened Jewish personalities and the Jewish community in Turkey.

In the course of the Kurdish–Turkish conflict (1978–present) there were an estimated 30,000-35,000 deaths between 1984 and 2000. While the Turkish government position has been to classify the deaths in the conflict as terror related, other dispute this claim and allege human right violations by the Turkish authorities. In 1995, Human Rights Watch reported that it was common practice for Turkish soldiers to kill Kurdish civilians and take pictures of their corpses with the weapons, they carried only for staging the events. Killed civilians were shown to press as Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) "terrorists".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Turkey


Turkey supporting terrorists

Turkey IS supporting terrorists and Islamist groups in Syria according to leaked German government report

Leaked report says Turkey is a 'platform of action' by Islamist groups
Document produced by German Interior Ministry published by media
Accuses Ankara of supporting Hamas and Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood
Tensions high between countries over coup attempt and visa free travel

A leaked confidential report from the German government has accused the Turkish government of supporting terrorist groups across the Middle East.

The document - produced by the Interior Ministry - says Turkish President Erdogan's government supports Palestinian Hamas, Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood and various Islamist groups fighting in Syria.

It emerged after the left party Die Linke made a confidential request in the German Parliament, the Bundestag, and the report was leaked to German public broadcaster ARD.

Rest - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3743900/Turkey-supporting-terrorists-Islamist-groups-Syria-according-leaked-German-government-report.html

[jimnyc]

I see what you mean but this topic is about Western countries. If what you say was true the forum would be consist of only one topic and people would talk anything under this single topic. There are different sections and different topics because all of them has their own unique subjects, like this one.

ALL threads will adjust at times, and the subjects veer in directions depending on folks arguments and sources.

[tailfins]

So you want to join in on the West hate fest, aye... so, so far, we Americans are brain washed, indoctrinated and criminals, and now you want to add we're cranky, touchy, ill tempered and only fit for making money.

Well, excuse the hell otta me for being cranky, but after someone spews all that crap in my face, I'm going to be cranky. What else would you expect? You expect us all to say WE LOVE YOUR INSULTS, and THANK YOU?

I don't know how discussions go on you two's planet, but here on earth, you start insulting Americans, don't expect a warm reception, and ya know what else, I highly doubt either of you two enjoy your country and people being insulted, and I know damn well your response would be much the same, probably worse.

So I don't know how long this is going to go on, but it should be clear to anyone with an IQ over 15 that it's an America/the west bashing thread. Farah doesn't want to DISCUSS anything. She wants to post propaganda about "THE CRIMINAL WEST," and then she wants to act all innocent and pretend she doesn't know why anyone here is upset.

Gimme a break.


Thank you for your time, effort and prompt response.

Warm regards,
Tailfins

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Thank you for your time, effort and prompt response.

Warm regards,
Tailfins
Adding sarcasm on top of the insults... you and Farah are a real pair.

Having fun since you found a new buddy to bash and insult Americans?

[tailfins]

Farah I'm going to consider that you may be posting things because it's the only point of view you have heard your entire life. You should really spend some time on some of the following sites:

www.drudgereport.com
www.therightscoop.com
http://www.marklevinshow.com/audio-rewind/

The link to Mark Levin has podcasts, it will help your English pronunciation.

[aboutime]

If it wasn't for WE WESTERNERS....even both of you wouldn't be able to come here to talk trash about us. Because of this....Over more than 100 years, long before both of you were even discovered to be mistakes by your family.

http://icansayit.com/img/arlington.jpg

[Farah]

ALL threads will adjust at times, and the subjects veer in directions depending on folks arguments and sources.

This is not adjusting, but derailing.



Adding sarcasm on top of the insults... you and Farah are a real pair.

Having fun since you found a new buddy to bash and insult Americans?


You are overreacting.

[jimnyc]

This is not adjusting, but derailing.





No, the ads are fluid. Deal with it.

[aboutime]

Go back to the beginning of this thread, that YOU started. If anyone is derailing anything. It is you.

Here's a reminder....

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SPAIN

Every year about 10.000 bulls are killed for fun.

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Source: http://www.gatoflauta.com/2015/07/19/toros/

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[Farah]

No, the ads are fluid. Deal with it.


There is a topic named "what are you listening right now ?", if people would start to post there the books they read or movies they watch, would it be "adjusting" the topic or derailing the topic ?

[jimnyc]

There is a topic named "what are you listening right now ?", if people would start to post there the books they read or movies they watch, would it be "adjusting" the topic or derailing the topic ?

Have at it!

[aboutime]

There is a topic named "what are you listening right now ?", if people would start to post there the books they read or movies they watch, would it be "adjusting" the topic or derailing the topic ?


Nobody has to answer your question if they know the difference between trying to start trouble, for the sake of starting trouble, or not. You can't win the argument you want to continue, so, like our Democrats in Politics. You never answer a question without, asking a question. Which gets you NO-WHERE.

[tailfins]

If it wasn't for WE WESTERNERS....even both of you wouldn't be able to come here to talk trash about us. Because of this....Over more than 100 years, long before both of you were even discovered to be mistakes by your family.

http://icansayit.com/img/arlington.jpg



I'm not doubting your salute to the military one bit. Actually, if we continue on a path of a society driven by "free stuff", the military might be a better government than what we have now. That includes dissolving Congress.

[jimnyc]

There is a topic named "what are you listening right now ?", if people would start to post there the books they read or movies they watch, would it be "adjusting" the topic or derailing the topic ?

Btw, apples and oranges.

ALL threads will adjust at times, and the subjects veer in directions depending on folks arguments and sources.

Can you not comprehend the difference between folks discussing subjects and they naturally take their course - compared to purposely changing an entire thread which has nothing to do with the subject, and wouldn't be working off of someone else's post.

Of course you can reply to someone, and completely post a different song if you would like, to compare differences or whatever.

Whatever floats your boat.

[Abbey Marie]

This is not adjusting, but derailing.
...



It’s called DEBATE. Did you notice the name of this board?

[Farah]

It’s called DEBATE. Did you notice the name of this board?


This topic is about to "debate" criminal actions performed by Western countries.

[jimnyc]

This topic is about to "debate" criminal actions performed by Western countries.

And threads VERY often veer a bit depending on the posts/sources and arguments of others. Just the way it it. And it's also called FREEDOM. You likely don't fully understand that. :rolleyes:

Threads are FLUID, they go where it's taken by discussions, and that does NOT mean of course purposely changing the subject entirely.

You can deal with the way it is, or you can deal with the way it is. Your choice!!

[Abbey Marie]

This topic is about to "debate" criminal actions performed by Western countries.

Yup. And some compared criminal actions in “the West” to those in Turkey.
I’m not seeing a problem here.

[jimnyc]

Yup. And some compared criminal actions in “the West” to those in Turkey.
I’m not seeing a problem here.

Or - for example, if someone were to mention something about the "west", there might be a reference to something from the east in a reply from another, and there she goes.

But yeah, talking about criminal actions of the "west" - and someone talking about criminal actions in the east, being Turkey, I don't see this huge subject change.

UNLESS someone wants to "dictate" their own thread, and doesn't want to see garbage posted about their areas of life or lifestyles. And we all know here over many years that that isn't going to happen!

[Farah]

Btw, apples and oranges.

ALL threads will adjust at times, and the subjects veer in directions depending on folks arguments and sources.

Can you not comprehend the difference between folks discussing subjects and they naturally take their course - compared to purposely changing an entire thread which has nothing to do with the subject, and wouldn't be working off of someone else's post.

Of course you can reply to someone, and completely post a different song if you would like, to compare differences or whatever.

Whatever floats your boat.


What you say would happen in a topic with no borders. This topic has borders. So if we were talking under a topic named "the future of the economy", we could talk many different aspects of economy. If we were talking under a topic named "contribution of renewable energy to economy", we could talk within this borders, not every aspects of economy. The same thing goes in this topic. If this topic was named as "The Criminal Countries" we could talk about any countries but this topic is named "The Criminal Western" and has borders.

[jimnyc]

What you say would happen in a topic with no borders. This topic has borders. So if we were talking under a topic named "the future of the economy", we could talk many different aspects of economy. If we were talking under a topic named "contribution of renewable energy to economy", we could talk within this borders, not every aspects of economy. The same thing goes in this topic. If this topic was named as "The Criminal Countries" we could talk about any countries but this topic is named "The Criminal Western" and has borders.

I won't repeat my last few posts, they stand as they are - and everyone will continue to discuss as we always have before. You're being anal and controlling. The thread has reached 6 pages and they always naturally take their course. And COMPARISONS are ALWAYS on topic of course.

[Farah]

I won't repeat my last few posts, they stand as they are - and everyone will continue to discuss as we always have before. You're being anal and controlling. The thread has reached 6 pages and they always naturally take their course. And COMPARISONS are ALWAYS on topic of course.

Anyway, this is your forum and you can do whatever you want.

[jimnyc]

Anyway, this is your forum and you can do whatever you want.

It's not "me" that is doing whatever I want - I am telling you how it is for ALL members in threads that are fluid over pages.

You can continue to go back and forth with me, or you can pick a post you feel IS on topic and reply if that suits you, you can start a new thread, you can reply in this thread and continue as you were previously. Your choice, and others have choices when they reply.

[Farah]

Okay so now is this topic adjusted from "The Criminal Western" to "The Criminal Somethingelse" ? Because noone posts about Western countries.

[jimnyc]

Okay so now is this topic adjusted from "The Criminal Western" to "The Criminal Somethingelse" ? Because noone posts about Western countries.

Feel free to call it whatever your tiny little heart desires.

[tailfins]

This is not adjusting, but derailing.





You are overreacting.

You are correct that it's not sarcasm, but it's not at face value, either. Let me explain. About 30 years ago Senator Carol Moseley-Braun promoted an idea of the "right not to be offended", subjectively judged by the listener. Her premise has spread to all of US society. It has resulted in culture of people looking for ways to be offended. How does one deal with such a thing?, you might ask. If someone might be a problem and looking for ways to be offended, you respond with positive-sounding, noncommittal responses. I thanked him for his time, effort and promptness. Did I mention QUALITY of response? No I didn't. This "looking to be offended" culture makes meaningless communication a necessity.

No one can reasonably call you out for being thankful for someone's "time, effort and promptness". Welcome to the world of "corporatespeak".

Learning Spanish and Portuguese was less effort than learning how to communicate with thin-skinned people.
Farah I am saying this for your benefit. I will soon go back to offense-proof communication.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

You are overreacting.
You are arrogant, insulting and quarrelsome.

[Drummond]

Okay so now is this topic adjusted from "The Criminal Western" to "The Criminal Somethingelse" ? Because noone posts about Western countries.

You're targeting 'the West', and evidently you want to make sure that only the West is deemed culpable for the actions and scenarios you'll imply you view, shall we say, as 'singularly disagreeable' from your worldview.

You've been countered, with multiple examples to show that just targeting the West for consideration simply isn't fair or balanced. What you want to highlight as 'true' of the West, is far from exclusive to the West. YET ... you single out the West, ONLY the West, you persist, and I still haven't seen WHY you do.

This comes across, therefore - in the absence of evidence to show otherwise - as an attempt to propagandise and demonise, when in truth there could be no objective grounds to do any such thing.

Propagandising and demonisation is not debate. This forum, and why the rest of us are here, IS to debate.

So, will you explain what it is that prompts your contributions, why they're even here .. or, must we privately (or otherwise) draw our own inferences ?

[aboutime]

She supports HAMAS, and he calls Jews...Termites. And They get applause from Democrats.

https://zeepertje.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/linda-sarsour-screen-shot-2017-01-24-tweet.png

https://images.haarets.co.il/image/fetch/w_609,h_343,q_auto,c_fill,f_auto/fl_any_format.preserve_transparency.progressive:no ne/https://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.5621937.1515340852!/image/1018316866.jpg

[Farah]

It's not "me" that is doing whatever I want - I am telling you how it is for ALL members in threads that are fluid over pages.

You can continue to go back and forth with me, or you can pick a post you feel IS on topic and reply if that suits you, you can start a new thread, you can reply in this thread and continue as you were previously. Your choice, and others have choices when they reply.



Hey, I decided to adjust other topics in the forum. Can I do that ?

[Farah]

You're targeting 'the West', and evidently you want to make sure that only the West is deemed culpable for the actions and scenarios you'll imply you view, shall we say, as 'singularly disagreeable' from your worldview.

I dont target, I share information, you describe yourself as target because you dont like the informations which I share.


You've been countered, with multiple examples to show that just targeting the West for consideration simply isn't fair or balanced. What you want to highlight as 'true' of the West, is far from exclusive to the West. YET ... you single out the West, ONLY the West, you persist, and I still haven't seen WHY you do.

This is not countering, this is derailing the subject. I started this topic to "debate" about crimes committed by Western countries and you have no intend to debate about it. You are making comments about non-Western countries and calling it as "adjusting" the topic.


This comes across, therefore - in the absence of evidence to show otherwise - as an attempt to propagandise and demonise, when in truth there could be no objective grounds to do any such thing.

Propagandising and demonisation is not debate. This forum, and why the rest of us are here, IS to debate.

Again, I share information and you call it as propaganda because you dont like the information. If I would share informations that you like, you would not call it as propaganda. You are not debating, you re deliberately distorting the main subject not to debate about it.

[Elessar]

It is quite obvious that trying to 'debate' or even simply speak to
"Farrah" is akin to talking to a lead brick.

Nothing gets absorbed, just deflected.

[jimnyc]

Hey, I decided to adjust other topics in the forum. Can I do that ?

You know the rules, I saw you reading them. And I explained myself more than I'm going to, so fuck off at this point if you don't like it.

And you're just being pissy because you can't get your way and stop others from posting what you don't like in "your" thread.

Tough shit.

[jimnyc]

Does the criminal west....

perform HONOR killings? Maybe only the muslims trickled in here and there, but there's nothing honorable about it, and obviously it's not an east crime, nor a west one. As of the past century - it's a one themed one - muslim world.

I've heard of some of them in the states over the years, but very rare, and were always some weird imported muslims doing it.

[Farah]

It is quite obvious that trying to 'debate' or even simply speak to
"Farrah" is akin to to speak to 'her' is akin the talking to a lead brick.

Nothing gets absorbed, just deflected.


In the back 6 pages and totally in 71 posts, only 2 posts were intented to "debate" about the topic subject, posted by Tailfins and Kathianne. Tailfins made a comment about protestors and Kathianne made a comment about the source. All the other posts were aiming to derail topic by making comments about my person or other irrelavant things.


The purpose of having topics is to have debates in accordance with their "unique" subjects. When I start a topic about "Food Recipes", you are supposed to make comments about food recipes, not how to change engine oil of your vehicle. It is not "adjusting", it is derailing- distorting. You are also accusing me of not having debate with you about engine oils.

[jimnyc]

It is not "adjusting", it is derailing- distorting.

Fine, call it that and we can all agree. It doesn't matter though, nothing is changing.

Can we move forward now?

[Elessar]

The purpose of having topics is to have debates in accordance with their "unique" subjects. When I start a topic about "Food Recipes", you are supposed to make comments about food recipes, not how to change engine oil of your vehicle. It is not "adjusting", it is derailing- distorting. You are also accusing me of not having debate with you about engine oils.

You do NOT need to lecture me on how discuss a topic. I was a forum owner myself.
All you post is one-sided propaganda.

Also, I did not accuse you of anything, and what has engine oil got to do with the thread topic?

[Farah]

You do NOT need to lecture me on how discuss a topic. I was a forum owner myself.
All you post is one-sided propaganda.

Also, I did not accuse you of anything, and what has engine oil got to do with the thread topic?



Which you call as "one-sided" is forum subject.

Which you call as "propaganda" is informations that you cannot tolerate to face with.

[jimnyc]

Which you call as "one-sided" is forum subject.

Which you call as "propaganda" is informations that you cannot tolerate to face with.

What you call "off topic" is just truth about Turkey and muzzies and terrorism and crime, and you cannot tolerate to face it.

[Farah]

What you call "off topic" is just truth about Turkey and muzzies and terrorism and crime, and you cannot tolerate to face it.


I can but you should start another topic for it becuse this topic have nothing with countries other than Western ones.

[jimnyc]

I can but you should start another topic for it becuse this topic have nothing with countries other than Western ones.

You aren't participating at this board other than one thread, so don't worry yourself about that.

And no thanks, I find my east/west comparisons in return to be 100% on topic and will not be starting a new thread. YOU can stop whining anytime though as it's NOT going to change. You are only contributing to this "OT" you don't like.

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So how much STONING is done in the west? And WHO does the majority of stonings? Let's discuss those crimes and WHO commits them mostly.

[jimnyc]

"The criminal west"

Terrorism, honor killings, stonings - - who commits the overwhelming majority of these cowardly crimes?

[High_Plains_Drifter]

https://i.ibb.co/9W3TGGQ/muslim-bitch.jpg

[High_Plains_Drifter]

https://image.ibb.co/gLHtJn/fuck-islam.jpg

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Which you call as "one-sided" is forum subject.

Which you call as "propaganda" is informations that you cannot tolerate to face with.
The IRONY in this statement is just mind numbing... and this little muslim tart has the gall to lecture people on "tolerance."

She's here trashing "the west" and then wants to lecture those she's trashing about "tolerance."

That's the face of islam... ignorant, hypocritical, ironic and sickening.

[Farah]

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[jimnyc]

Farah - why do you not participate on the board? Why this ONE thread where you can say what you please - but appear want to dictate what others can say in this thread.

Sounds like you want to do your trashing of us aka the west, but don't want to read/hear/discuss anything about your region or the worlds biggest problem today, by far, muslims.

[jimnyc]

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During The Gulf "War", murders at least 150.000 civilians and deliberately attacks anything civilian.

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Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/2002/12/15/the-crusader/9de49dd7-43fd-45e0-a4ef-3df4475cb4a0/?utm_term=.9f6af250cf90

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You say 150,000 - or is that supposed to be 150?

Either way, that number is not in the article you posted.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

https://image.ibb.co/mq8LTL/911.jpg

[jimnyc]

The "deliberate" stuff is BS. But if "I" were in charge, I would have hit every and each radical muslim, which is about 40% of ALL muslims are radicalized.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

https://image.ibb.co/btqkyn/quran-in-toilet-1.jpg

[jimnyc]

There have been 34,000+ terror related attacks - just since 9/11 all around the world.

Of those 34k, I wonder just how many were "west" folks responsible, and how many muslim?

[High_Plains_Drifter]

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USA

During The Gulf "War", murders at least 150.000 civilians and deliberately attacks anything civilian.

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Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/2002/12/15/the-crusader/9de49dd7-43fd-45e0-a4ef-3df4475cb4a0/?utm_term=.9f6af250cf90

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https://image.ibb.co/mjCDMS/fuck-off.jpg

[jimnyc]

Tom - please don't post so many pics, or do them in one post please! LOL I can't find other posts when scrolling down through photos!

I get your point though - and so does farah, trust me

[Farah]

You say 150,000 - or is that supposed to be 150?

Either way, that number is not in the article you posted.


Clark says. "I was there for 14 of them. I drove 2,000 miles just seeing civilian damage. We were hitting every civilian thing you can think of -- taxicabs, school buses, mosques, synagogues, hospitals. I didn't see a hospital that had windows in it -- all of them were smashed! We dropped 88,500 tons of bombs! That's a Pentagon figure. That's 7 1/2 Hiroshimas! A hundred fifty thousand Iraqis died! We lost 155. That's a slaughter! That's a slaughter! You can't slaughter people like that!"

[High_Plains_Drifter]

mohammad was a PEDOPHILE...

https://image.ibb.co/chDHdn/child-rapist-muslim-trash.jpg

[High_Plains_Drifter]

https://image.ibb.co/eyeUr7/islam-in-london-1.jpg

[jimnyc]

Let's talk pedophilia, and just how digusting of a crime that is.

WHO in the world marries a 6 year old, and has sexual relations with her at 9 years old?

And who does so, and then has their followers think they are such a great person?

Muhammed, that's who. The man was a known and admitted pedophile, and they even celebrate in their great books.

Is this still a rampant thing in the "west" - Farah? In the east? Was it just muhammed?

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So we have stoning, honor killings, terrorism & pedophilia. Still happens in the "West". I can't imagine where this stuff emanates from???

[High_Plains_Drifter]

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During The Gulf "War", murders at least 150.000 civilians and deliberately attacks anything civilian.

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Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/2002/12/15/the-crusader/9de49dd7-43fd-45e0-a4ef-3df4475cb4a0/?utm_term=.9f6af250cf90

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That article IS PURE PROPAGANDA. It's the Washpo for one, that hates America as much as you do, and two, Clark is another ultra liberal America hating leftist that loves to just MAKE SHIT UP.

Yes, you ARE spreading PROPAGANDA.

[jimnyc]

That article IS PURE PROPAGANDA. It's the Washpo for one, that hates America as much as you do, and two, Clark is another ultra liberal America hating leftist that loves to just MAKE SHIT UP.

Yes, you ARE spreading PROPAGANDA.

And the targeting of civilians is BS. Although, if it's muslims, I personally wouldn't lose a wink of sleep.

[jimnyc]

Farah -

There have been many 'pedophiles' busted in the United States over the years. I think it's a heinous and disgusting crime. Luckily, if busted, we place people like that in jail where they belong.

Do you agree?

[Farah]

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USA

Each drone attack murders average 6.6 civilians in Pakistan.

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Source: https://indianexpress.com/article/world/2714-people-killed-in-409-us-drone-attacks-in-pakistan-since-january-2004-report-5439052/

You can also follow my Twitter and Facebook pages that I started use with this purpose. (I ve asked for permission to share social media links and was allowed.)


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[Drummond]

Farah ... if your argument is a genuine one, that what you're really protesting about is derailing of the subject-matter of this thread ... and, you're 'not demonising or propagandising' specifically against the West (or, trying to ..) :rolleyes::rolleyes: ... then, you can easily support your stance by balancing things up a bit.

OK, here, we have a thread about 'The Criminal West'. For balance .. why not start another, called 'The Criminal East' .. ??

Does what you've seen here not show you that there's a whole lot of potential for posting in such a thread ? H'mm .. ?

So, what do you say, Farah ? Care to strike a debating balance ? OR, is your only interest to keep singling out 'the West' in a targeted way ?

-- Let's see, eh ? :rolleyes:

[jimnyc]

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Each drone attack murders average 6.6 civilians in Pakistan.

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Source: https://indianexpress.com/article/world/2714-people-killed-in-409-us-drone-attacks-in-pakistan-since-january-2004-report-5439052/

You can also follow my Twitter and Facebook pages that I started use with this purpose. (I ve asked for permission to share social media links and was allowed.)


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[jimnyc]

Farah ... if your argument is a genuine one, that what you're really protesting about is derailing of the subject-matter of this thread ... and, you're 'not demonising or propagandising' specifically against the West (or, trying to ..) :rolleyes::rolleyes: ... then, you can easily support your stance by balancing things up a bit.

OK, here, we have a thread about 'The Criminal West'. For balance .. why not start another, called 'The Criminal East' .. ??

Does what you've seen here not show you that there's a whole lot of potential for posting in such a thread ? H'mm .. ?

So, what do you say, Farah ? Care to strike a debating balance ? OR, is your only interest to keep singling out 'the West' in a targeted way ?

-- Let's see, eh ? :rolleyes:

She won't even reply to legit questions about her own BS propaganda stuff posted. She just wants a place to "dump" all of her articles and BS to build a compilation of sorts, for whatever reason. No desire in anything else, no desire to post as part of the community.

I don't get the point myself.

"WWWAaaaaaa" " This is MY thread for crimes about YOUR area, so DO NOT come back and post anything negative about anywhere remotely near where I live. I may then be offended".

Typical _ _ _ _ _ _

Fill in the blank!

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Pretty obvious what this little muslim skanks modus operandi is at this point. Post as much America bashing bull shit she can find and then just walk away, and discussing it is out of the question. And when you post a rebuttal, she either ignores it or spews some defensive crap.

She's an America hating MUSLIM TROLL. No wonder she was BANNED by the other boards. She thinks she's hit the JACKPOT here. She's been able to keep up her trolling to spread her America hating MUSLIM GARBAGE for nine pages now, and not have to answer one simple question or debate at all. Just post her shit, then complain about the replies, and then post some more shit, ignore questions, repeat.

[Drummond]

She won't even reply to legit questions about her own BS propaganda stuff posted. She just wants a place to "dump" all of her articles and BS to build a compilation of sorts, for whatever reason. No desire in anything else, no desire to post as part of the community.

I don't get the point myself.

"WWWAaaaaaa" " This is MY thread for crimes about YOUR area, so DO NOT come back and post anything negative about anywhere remotely near where I live. I may then be offended".

Typical _ _ _ _ _ _

Fill in the blank!

Oh, I know how one-sided this all is. Farah has just the one focus, and won't see anything else that falls outside of it.

Still, you know me. I invite balance into discussions, if in fact there's proper scope for it. Farah CAN inject balance into all this, if there's a will to, and contributions here have already proven what scope definitely exists.

As an exercise, to illustrate a point, I want to establish where this goes. My challenge to Farah is there. Let's see it taken up !!

[jimnyc]

Pretty obvious what this little muslim skanks modus operandi is at this point. Post as much America bashing bull shit she can find and then just walk away, and discussing it is out of the question. And when you post a rebuttal, she either ignores it or spews some defensive crap.

She's an America hating MUSLIM TROLL. No wonder she was BANNED by the other boards. She thinks she's hit the JACKPOT here. She's been able to keep up her trolling to spread her America hating MUSLIM GARBAGE for nine pages now, and not have to answer one simple question or debate at all. Just post her shit, then complain about the replies, and then post some more shit, repeat.

All but the "skank" part is cool. We don't know her to make such a statement. But we can discuss muslims in general & the crimes of the "east" in return.

I didn't think she was a troll, still maybe not, but apparently has no desire to be a "member" here, rather just a member and dictator of just HER one thread.

[jimnyc]

Oh, I know how one-sided this all is. Farah has just the one focus, and won't see anything else that falls outside of it.

Still, you know me. I invite balance into discussions, if in fact there's proper scope for it. Farah CAN inject balance into all this, if there's a will to, and contributions here have already proven what scope definitely exists.

As an exercise, to illustrate a point, I want to establish where this goes. My challenge to Farah is there. Let's see it taken up !!

I hope so, and I appreciate your attitude!!

I sure hope she takes you up, and starts to post and reply in other threads as well, but doesn't appear so thus far.

[Drummond]

Pretty obvious what this little muslim skanks modus operandi is at this point. Post as much America bashing bull shit she can find and then just walk away, and discussing it is out of the question. And when you post a rebuttal, she either ignores it or spews some defensive crap.

She's an America hating MUSLIM TROLL. No wonder she was BANNED by the other boards. She thinks she's hit the JACKPOT here. She's been able to keep up her trolling to spread her America hating MUSLIM GARBAGE for nine pages now, and not have to answer one simple question or debate at all. Just post her shit, then complain about the replies, and then post some more shit, ignore questions, repeat.:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

Of course, I agree. I know.

My challenge to Farah stands, though. It'll be interesting to see what excuse is offered for refusing it ... or even if it'll be responded to at all (probably not ..).

Let's see.

[Farah]

Pretty obvious what this little muslim skanks modus operandi is at this point. Post as much America bashing bull shit she can find and then just walk away, and discussing it is out of the question. And when you post a rebuttal, she either ignores it or spews some defensive crap.

She's an America hating MUSLIM TROLL. No wonder she was BANNED by the other boards. She thinks she's hit the JACKPOT here. She's been able to keep up her trolling to spread her America hating MUSLIM GARBAGE for nine pages now, and not have to answer one simple question or debate at all. Just post her shit, then complain about the replies, and then post some more shit, ignore questions, repeat.


How do you know that I am Muslim. I didnt share any personal info other than languages I speak.

[jimnyc]

How do you know that I am Muslim. I didnt share any personal info other than languages I speak.

Arab, Armenian & Kurdish - YOU shared such info.

Most arabs I know aren't catholics.

Are you muslim? WHY hide about it? Embarrassed? And that's why you don't want any of the subjects brought up, whether it's in the USA or Turkey?

Don't blame you.

[jimnyc]

How do you know that I am Muslim. I didnt share any personal info other than languages I speak.

Oh, and your full name is a muslim name.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

All but the "skank" part is cool. We don't know her to make such a statement. But we can discuss muslims in general & the crimes of the "east" in return.

I didn't think she was a troll, still maybe not, but apparently has no desire to be a "member" here, rather just a member and dictator of just HER one thread.
I just don't like muslims, any of them, and especially ones that insult me. She's a skank to me, but if you'd rather I not call her that, I won't.

But I'm afraid you and Drummond are wishing for something that's not going to happen. I don't think she's CAPABLE of discussion when it comes to pointing out the crap about islam. If there's ever a more BRAIN WASHED STONE AGE CULT on the PLANET, it's MUSLIMS. She isn't going to discuss anything with either of you as far as ISLAM. Has she yet? No... and she won't in the future either. She'd had done it by now if she was going to.

She's an America hating muslim troll here to trash America. Anything you ask or say about islam will be ignored.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

How do you know that I am Muslim. I didnt share any personal info other than languages I speak.
Then deny you are, right now. Say you are not a muslim and denounce mohammad as a pedophile.

Course we know you muslims are allowed to LIE also, you're even taught HOW to LIE in order to DECEIVE THE INFIDELS.

[Farah]

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Murdered about 3817 civilians under the pretext of figthing terrorism in Raqqa/Iraq. Complately destroyed 80% of the city.

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[Farah]

Then deny you are, right now. Say you are not a muslim and denounce mohammad as a pedophile.

Course we know you muslims are allowed to LIE also, you're even taught HOW to LIE in order to DECEIVE THE INFIDELS.


My full name is Armenian and Arabic. I dont share personal info because the subject is not my person. The subject is the crimes committed by Western countries.

[jimnyc]

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Murdered about 3817 civilians under the pretext of figthing terrorism in Raqqa/Iraq. Complately destroyed 80% of the city.

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Non-English site apparently. Who cares anyway.

Murder, huh? BS. War is hell anyway - and the muslims throughout the region have found that out. From Iraq to Isis to tons of everyday radicalized muslims.

And then they come back crying like bitches and make shit up, like the scumbag palestinians have perfected.

[NightTrain]

I'd like to know why Turkey allowed Saudi Arabia to murder that journalist a few weeks ago.

That certainly doesn't seem very civilized.

[jimnyc]

My full name is Armenian and Arabic. I dont share personal info because the subject is not my person. The subject is the crimes committed by Western countries.

Why do you not particpate on the board in other subjects? Is your only goal here this one thread? Kinda lame. Posting nothing but articles and cannot apparently support or articulate any type of argument or opinion on your own.

Are you out of HS yet? I don't mean that as mean, just would explain some things.

[jimnyc]

I'd like to know why Turkey allowed Saudi Arabia to murder that journalist a few weeks ago.

That certainly doesn't seem very civilized.

Turkey is rampant with terrorists and the government supports that crap.

And yups, the crime is just as bad. But I would call what was done to Khashoggi as a terror incident myself.

But Farah has no interest outside condemning the USA. No other opinions, no other threads, nothing.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

My full name is Armenian and Arabic. I dont share personal info because the subject is not my person. The subject is the crimes committed by Western countries.
I rest my case. You're an America hating muslim here to dump any trash and propaganda about America you can find, and that is exactly what you're doing. Multiple people have asked you questions already and you have completely ignored them. However you have continued to trash America with your America hating posts though.

Evidently you think you've found a board where you can ONLY post your America hating trash, and NOT have to DEBATE any of it, even though the NAME of this board is "DEBATE POLICY."

You're a muslim troll, Fuck off.

[Drummond]

I just don't like muslims, any of them, and especially ones that insult me. She's a skank to me, but if you'd rather I not call her that, I won't.

But I'm afraid you and Drummond are wishing for something that's not going to happen. I don't think she's CAPABLE of discussion when it comes to pointing out the crap about islam. If there's ever a more BRAIN WASHED STONE AGE CULT on the PLANET, it's MUSLIMS. She isn't going to discuss anything with either of you as far as ISLAM. Has she yet? No... and she won't in the future either. She'd had done it by now if she was going to.

She's an America hating muslim troll here to trash America. Anything you ask or say about islam will be ignored.

I'm not sure I'd say I am 'wishing' for it to happen, so much as proving that Farah has zero interest in striking any form of balance. If I were to be wrong, then, OK ... Farah can prove it.

The offer, opportunity, whatever you'd call it, is there. I'm proving a point, if it's not properly responded to.

FARAH ... I'M WAITING FOR YOUR ANSWER.

[Gunny]

I am not putting a defense, I share an information based on Ottoman archives. No its not well investigated nor documented.


I dont understand you. There is nothing to explain. So I am interested with a subject and I ve started a topic about it. This is like asking that why I want to eat a milk ice cream and why I dont want to put some chocolate sauce on it.Typical arrogant Turk. Nothing new about YOU in MY world. You think your shit don't stink and the only thing you understand is getting your ass kicked.

We should have finished the job in WWI instead of just taking most of the Ottoman territory like we should have German. Instead, we have just created another nation with an new "Hitler" that thinks because everyone was too tired to bother with Turkey that you haven't been beaten and can't be beat.

The biggest problem with Turkey is it's full of Turks. Since I have an obvious bias, with cause having lived in that stinkhole and put up with your people's backwards-assed arrogance, I am going to bow out of this thread.

I learned better than to bother arguing with one of you. The only thing you understand is a front kick to the teeth. Otherwise you won't shut up.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

You are arrogant, insulting and quarrelsome.


Typical arrogant Turk. Nothing new about YOU in MY world. You think your shit don't stink and the only thing you understand is getting your ass kicked.

I guess Gunny's opinion of this America hating muslim troll and mine turned out to pretty much be the same.

[Farah]

Why do you not particpate on the board in other subjects? Is your only goal here this one thread? Kinda lame. Posting nothing but articles and cannot apparently support or articulate any type of argument or opinion on your own.

Are you out of HS yet? I don't mean that as mean, just would explain some things.


Currently I am only interested with this topic. I also have school, home works and projects. I cant spend soo much time here. One of my projects related with this topic and I see when I look at this topic that it is going to be a perfect project.

[jimnyc]

Currently I am only interested with this topic. I also have school, home works and projects. I can spend soo much time here. One of my projects related with this topic and I see when I look at this topic that it is going to be a perfect project.

Ok, as I thought, only interest in spouting YOUR hatred, but no other opinions allowed - and your spouting propaganda is your one and only reason to be here. And no interest otherwise.

We aren't a "project". If you continue as such, and are only here to somehow look at us like lab rats and toss in food - then you can likely head to another forum now.

We don't take kindly to others coming in with some sort of experiment, as if they know us better, to make judgment, but then to deny other opinions.

So enjoy it while you can and perhaps change your mind. Otherwise, your experiment will be locked and we can all move onto our normal discussions, and not projects.

[Farah]

Typical arrogant Turk. Nothing new about YOU in MY world. You think your shit don't stink and the only thing you understand is getting your ass kicked.


I think I could be considered 25% Turk based on my genetical scheme but yes I would prefer Turkic Central Asian culture to Caucasus or Middle Eastern cultures. Turks are white people and I am brunette but I have dominant slant Asian Turkic eyes.

[Drummond]

Currently I am only interested with this topic. I also have school, home works and projects. I can spend soo much time here. One of my projects related with this topic and I see when I look at this topic that it is going to be a perfect project.

You're actually refusing my suggestion, then (by ignoring it) ? Yes ?

Perhaps your 'perfect project' is a 'perfect' illustration of only caring to argue myopically, and has absolutely no other worth ? Will you EVER acknowledge the truth of that ?? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Because, if not, if that was an unfair judgment, you'd expand your, ahem, 'study' to encompass crimes committed outside of the territorial locality you 'happen' to have picked on ....

So, come on. PROVE ME WRONG. Expand your chosen focus beyond, specifically, 'The West'. Let's see you do it, and open up another thread on 'The Criminal East'.

[Farah]

Ok, as I thought, only interest in spouting YOUR hatred, but no other opinions allowed - and your spouting propaganda is your one and only reason to be here. And no interest otherwise.

We aren't a "project". If you continue as such, and are only here to somehow look at us like lab rats and toss in food - then you can likely head to another forum now.

We don't take kindly to others coming in with some sort of experiment, as if they know us better, to make judgment, but then to deny other opinions.

So enjoy it while you can and perhaps change your mind. Otherwise, your experiment will be locked and we can all move onto our normal discussions, and not projects.


Sorry I meant I "can not" spend so much time here.

Okay so do you want me to leave the forum ?

[Drummond]

Sorry I meant I "can not" spend so much time here.

Okay so do you want me to leave the forum ?

Opting out, rather than taking on a debating challenge you didn't bargain on getting ?

H'mm .. ?

Come on, Farah. Do something less predictable than cutting and running. Use the opportunity here for TRUE debate, and be open to views and perspectives you'd usually not entertain. Go on. DO IT.

[jimnyc]

Sorry I meant I "can not" spend so much time here.

Okay so do you want me to leave the forum ?

I don't WANT you to leave. I want you to participate like every other member that joins here. I want you to extend the same courtesy to others they extend you - which is reply/reply and not complaining everytime someone has an opinion in return that may have to do with the eastern region. I want you to be part of our "community" - as we all consider ourselves friends and family here.

But it's YOU that appears to not understand what a FORUM is, nor debate and discussion. What you want is a BLOG here within a thread that you can control somehow. And you want YOUR opinion and no other. And you should answer questions of others.

In other words - simply dropping posts/propaganda, not supporting anything with your own writing, and not wanting to participate at all - comes off as 'trolling' to some.

[Gunny]

Ok, as I thought, only interest in spouting YOUR hatred, but no other opinions allowed - and your spouting propaganda is your one and only reason to be here. And no interest otherwise.

We aren't a "project". If you continue as such, and are only here to somehow look at us like lab rats and toss in food - then you can likely head to another forum now.

We don't take kindly to others coming in with some sort of experiment, as if they know us better, to make judgment, but then to deny other opinions.

So enjoy it while you can and perhaps change your mind. Otherwise, your experiment will be locked and we can all move onto our normal discussions, and not projects.Jim, labrats rate higher on the totem pole than Americans do to Turks. Couple of instances:

It matters little to us but to them it is a supreme insult that they renamed the street in front of the American Embassy after the operation in which Turkey invaded Syria and started murdering Kurd indiscriminately. To them, they spit in our faces.

The US and allies needed Turkey during the Cold War. That is why it was spared because deny it all they want, they collaborated with Nazi Germany while claiming neutrality and that they did not. Odd thing then isn't it that the USAF listening post my father was stationed on was originally a Lufwaffe fighter base. Turkey played ball with us during the Cold War because it borders the former Soviet Union and the Black Sea and was as next in line to fall to the Soviets as anyone. Pre-info age, we needed listening posts as close to the USSR as we could get.

Since Erdogan is now in bed with Putin over getting nuclear power n Turkey, he thinks he no long needs the US nor to fear Russia. They're done using us so f- us. Conversely, Turkish airspace is a convenience to us, not a necessity so other than geographic strategic importance, we don't need them.

Make no mistake though. In typical Turk fashion, Erdogan thinks he can make a deal with the devil (putin) and win. Turkish arrogance got lost them the entire ME after WWI. They still haven't gotten the memo. Erdogan is doubly-dangerous because he is a raghead.

[jimnyc]

Opting out, rather than taking on a debating challenge you didn't bargain on getting ?

H'mm .. ?

Come on, Farah. Do something less predictable than cutting and running. Use the opportunity here for TRUE debate, and be open to views and perspectives you'd usually not entertain. Go on. DO IT.

Let's start there, Farah - you can respond to Drummond, as he HAS been responding to you as you wish and asking questions - and you are IGNORING him.

[jimnyc]

Jim, labrats rate higher on the totem pole than Americans do to Turks. Couple of instances:

It matters little to us but to them it is a supreme insult that they renamed the street in front of the American Embassy after the operation in which Turkey invaded Syria and started murdering Kurd indiscriminately. To them, they spit in our faces.

The US and allies needed Turkey during the Cold War. That is why it was spared because deny it all they want, they collaborated with Nazi Germany while claiming neutrality and that they did not. Odd thing then isn't it that the USAF listening post my father was stationed on was originally a Lufwaffe fighter base. Turkey played ball with us during the Cold War because it borders the former Soviet Union and the Black Sea and was as next in line to fall to the Soviets as anyone. Pre-info age, we needed listening posts as close to the USSR as we could get.

Since Erdogan is now in bed with Putin over getting nuclear power n Turkey, he thinks he no long needs the US nor to fear Russia. They're done using us so f- us. Conversely, Turkish airspace is a convenience to us, not a necessity so other than geographic strategic importance, we don't need them.

Make no mistake though. In typical Turk fashion, Erdogan thinks he can make a deal with the devil (putin) and win. Turkish arrogance got lost them the entire ME after WWI. They still haven't gotten the memo. Erdogan is doubly-dangerous because he is a raghead.

And the funny thing is, the majority of us couldn't care less about them or Turkey at all. But they have hatred for us? Weird fuckers.

[Farah]

I don't WANT you to leave. I want you to participate like every other member that joins here. I want you to extend the same courtesy to others they extend you - which is reply/reply and not complaining everytime someone has an opinion in return that may have to do with the eastern region. I want you to be part of our "community" - as we all consider ourselves friends and family here.

But it's YOU that appears to not understand what a FORUM is, nor debate and discussion. What you want is a BLOG here within a thread that you can control somehow. And you want YOUR opinion and no other. And you should answer questions of others.

In other words - simply dropping posts/propaganda, not supporting anything with your own writing, and not wanting to participate at all - comes off as 'trolling' to some.


The problem is you are not debating the main issue. You are trying to change the subject to something else and debate about it. For example I share an information that people are supposed to debate about it. For example it says "10000 animals are killed in Spain for fun" and another poster replying it as "Turks killed cockroaches". Sorry this is not debate, this is trolling.

[jimnyc]

The problem is you are not debating the main issue. You are trying to change the subject to something else and debate about it. For example I share an information that people are supposed to debate about it. For example it says "10000 animals are killed in Spain for fun" and another poster replying it as "Turks killed cockroaches". Sorry this is not debate, this is trolling.

We are all not jumping thru YOUR hoops for a project.

/thread locked.

[Gunny]

And the funny thing is, the majority of us couldn't care less about them or Turkey at all. But they have hatred for us? Weird fuckers.Because they consider themselves superior to us and it must have been sandpaper on their assholes to have to kiss our asses and hid behind us during the Cold War. It's like their supreme arrogance and belief they are superior to any and everyone else is tempered only by some microbe of reality to kiss the ass they feel is the strongest.

Why do you think most Turks are Persian? Started centuries ago kissing Xerxes ass. Turkey was part of the Persian Empire long before the Ottomans existed. Xerxes deal was you pay homage to me and I let you pretend to keep and run your own country and the Turks bent right over. Darius I was trying the same with Greece but due to a misunderstanding over the homage thing then a war led by Darius II, things didn't work out.

So basically they spend a lot of time resenting and hating the asses they're kissing.

[jimnyc]

And then instantly removed her avatar and bailed.

Demands. Condemnation. Demand of tolerance. Lack of tolerance. Refusal to listen to other opinions. Refusal to even write her own opinions on her own posted articles. Won't reply to responses to those responding to her own articles.

Don't let the door hit you on your USA hating, muslim denying, incompetent troll.

[NightTrain]

...and that was the last time we heard from a muzzie Turkish chick who railed against the free world from a cell phone whilst wrapped in a burka.

[Kathianne]

I am not putting a defense, I share an information based on Ottoman archives. No its not well investigated nor documented.

Then those saying you're just posting propaganda are likely correct.

Your 'Armenians did too' defense is a joke, one source, no way to verify credibility. You don't care, just call it 'information,' that is called, not really.

[jimnyc]

This thread - is posted on sites all around the internet, and not just political sites. And it's the same story all over - labeled a troll. Refuses to answer questions. Tells others to make their own threads to avoid answering any questions, even if related and on topic. Just posts the same everywhere, lame updates of fake propaganda stories with no supporting facts, and laughed at on each and every site she has posted her tripe. A blog for her this will NOT become.

[Abbey Marie]

This thread - is posted on sites all around the internet, and not just political sites. And it's the same story all over - labeled a troll. Refuses to answer questions. Tells others to make their own threads to avoid answering any questions, even if related and on topic. Just posts the same everywhere, lame updates of fake propaganda stories with no supporting facts, and laughed at on each and every site she has posted her tripe. A blog for her this will NOT become.

I think we should change the thread title. It bugs me to leave it there.