Boris Warns Brexit Plan Akin to Titanic Heading Toward Doom

[jimnyc]

Boris Warns Brexit Plan Akin to Titanic Heading Toward Doom

(Bloomberg) -- Boris Johnson said the U.K. is on the brink of a “historic mistake,” comparing Theresa May’s Brexit plan to the Titanic heading toward disaster.

To help avoid the return of checkpoints on the Irish border, May’s deal suggests the entire U.K. could remain in a customs union with the EU until a better solution is found. But Northern Ireland will also keep many of the EU’s rules -- and that means added checks on goods arriving from mainland Britain.

“The Titanic springs to mind, and now is the time to point the iceberg ahead,” Johnson, the U.K.’s former Foreign Secretary, said in a speech at the Democratic Unionist Party conference in Belfast on Saturday. “This deal risks further economic and political humiliation.” His speech received a standing ovation.

Johnson called on May to “junk” the so-called backstop, which he said risks leaving the U.K. as a “satellite state.” Both the U.K. and EU say they want to avoid the backstop ever being triggered, but so far that hasn’t been enough to reassure the DUP, whose 10 lawmakers keep May in power.

The EU could yet demand the U.K. accept a “special deal on immigration”, Johnson said, seeking to raise doubts around one of the key benefits May says flow from her deal -- ending freedom of movement.

https://www.bloombergquint.com/onweb/johnson-warns-brexit-plan-akin-to-titanic-heading-toward-doom#gs.ZwnpewE

[Gunny]

Boris Warns Brexit Plan Akin to Titanic Heading Toward Doom

(Bloomberg) -- Boris Johnson said the U.K. is on the brink of a “historic mistake,” comparing Theresa May’s Brexit plan to the Titanic heading toward disaster.

To help avoid the return of checkpoints on the Irish border, May’s deal suggests the entire U.K. could remain in a customs union with the EU until a better solution is found. But Northern Ireland will also keep many of the EU’s rules -- and that means added checks on goods arriving from mainland Britain.

“The Titanic springs to mind, and now is the time to point the iceberg ahead,” Johnson, the U.K.’s former Foreign Secretary, said in a speech at the Democratic Unionist Party conference in Belfast on Saturday. “This deal risks further economic and political humiliation.” His speech received a standing ovation.

Johnson called on May to “junk” the so-called backstop, which he said risks leaving the U.K. as a “satellite state.” Both the U.K. and EU say they want to avoid the backstop ever being triggered, but so far that hasn’t been enough to reassure the DUP, whose 10 lawmakers keep May in power.

The EU could yet demand the U.K. accept a “special deal on immigration”, Johnson said, seeking to raise doubts around one of the key benefits May says flow from her deal -- ending freedom of movement.

https://www.bloombergquint.com/onweb/johnson-warns-brexit-plan-akin-to-titanic-heading-toward-doom#gs.ZwnpewEBest I can tell from drummond, May's "deal" sucks, but it appears the anti-BREXIT group are trying to use it as an excuse to thrown the baby out with the bath water. Sounds like they need a better plan, but not to abandon dumping the EU.

The EU, IMO, is just another polite name for slavery.

[Drummond]

Best I can tell from drummond, May's "deal" sucks, but it appears the anti-BREXIT group are trying to use it as an excuse to thrown the baby out with the bath water. Sounds like they need a better plan, but not to abandon dumping the EU.

The EU, IMO, is just another polite name for slavery.

The EU is a power-grabbing entity. Once you join it, you're subject to diktats coming out of their European Parliament .. which each Member Country is expected to adapt its laws to accommodate.

That's apart from the fact that it's also a money-grabbing entity, too. The UK alone gives it many billions of pounds, annually, for the perks being tied into them supposedly offers. Preferential cross-EU trade deals, weighted against a ban on doing our own trade deals, as WE may choose, outside the EU.

The EU is busily positioning itself in the world as a rival Superpower. They are their own trading bloc. They have a united political voice (.. when they choose to have one ..). They're even moving, now, to create their own army. Had the UK not gone for Brexit, one day we'd have woken up to the reality that the very identity of the UK had been subsumed into the wants, needs and diktats of Europe.

As for May's deal .. it's been ratified, on the EU's side at least, without apparent problem. Mrs May is now going full-pelt to sell it to all the UK's citizens. When giving her post-ratification speech in Brussels, she claimed that the deal delivered what the British people wanted. Which 'explains' why she's also written an open letter to us all, asking us to accept the deal !

See ....

http://fntalk.com/politics/theresa-may-pens-open-letter-imploring-public-to-back-brexit-deal/

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She knows that, on today's voting arithmetic, she's got just about zero chance of getting our Parliament to ratify it. So, a propaganda war is about to be fought, to say that the deal MUST be ratified, as it stands. There's the hope of reversing individual MP's 'anti' intentions ... to say nothing of encouraging voters to approach their MP's to pleasd with them to vote for it in Parliament ...

Donald Tusk has wasted no time in telling us all that there was no chance at all of any alternative being negotiated, or offered, or conceded, from the EU.

So, we've around 2 weeks of seeing maximum effort put into railroading the deal through Parliament.

God bless democracy, eh ? Apparently, the UK version of it is to have citizens support their representatives' wishes, not to have those representatives support the Peoples' wishes !!!

[Drummond]

Mrs May, our Prime Minister, has (to say the very least) an uphill task in getting enough Parliamentary votes on her side to enable her Brexit deal to be ratified there. The numbers, as they stand, say that she'll fail to get that ratification.

Our PM has staked everything, many saying her future career likewise, in winning out. So she's pulling out all the stops to skew voting her way.

This is the latest report on that:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6427659/Rebel-MPs-offered-peerages-Theresa-builds-votes-Brexit-deal.html?fbclid=IwAR2jpogwF6q2CnZPebJ_V-HrrdvYw5SQFdefomtC690zc8tbPfOWv3V6Ucc


Theresa May's team are said to be offering rebel MPs peerages and other sweeteners in a bid to buy votes to get her Brexit deal through Parliament.

With more than 90 Tory MPs indicating they will not back it, and the Democratic Unionist Party withholding support, the Prime Minister faces an uphill struggle.

Mrs May has vowed to 'make the case for this deal with all my heart' to persuade restless MPs to back her. But it appears she will also resort to horsetrading.

Some Brexiteers were said to have been offered peerages while other MPs are being bought off with changes to bills, according to reports.

A Commons vote on the deal will be held shortly – most likely on December 12.

Mrs May has conceded she may have to approach Opposition MPs to win support.

She was even forced to deny in Cabinet that she had attempted to win support from Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn in exchange for the promise of a general election.

Yesterday there were reports that Mrs May's team were setting up a 'war room' in the Cabinet Office to win the votes they need.

Desperation, leading to bribery ? Seems that way ....

[Noir]

Desperation, leading to bribery ? Seems that way ....

I mean she was very open about giving £1 billion to the boringly corrupt DUP to try and secure their votes for her government, so I don’t see why other forms of ‘bribery’ would be out of bounds.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

The EU is a globalist creation. Of course they seek to gain ever more power and completely subvert governments of member nations.
Globalists want that damn- One World Government-- which in reality is just a far greater, far larger and far more brutal dictatorship over the masses.
Truth oft hurts but truth can never be proven to be a lie.--Tyr

[Drummond]

I mean she was very open about giving £1 billion to the boringly corrupt DUP to try and secure their votes for her government, so I don’t see why other forms of ‘bribery’ would be out of bounds.

You're critical of her alliance with the DUP ? Really ? Then, place yourself in the PM's position. If you'd been in her place, what would YOU have done, with your very ability to govern in the balance ??

I'll criticise Mrs May when there's ample and good reason for it. But your objection (implied, or direct) is unreasonable. Obviously, you'll chuck opposition at the Conservatives just because you're ideologically opposed to them.

[Noir]

You're critical of her alliance with the DUP ? Really ? Then, place yourself in the PM's position. If you'd been in her place, what would YOU have done, with your very ability to govern in the balance ??

I would of resigned, as she should of done when she called a snap election to solidify her position, and ended up losing seats.

In any case - You were the one in this thread that said the kinds of offers she was making seemed like bribery due to desperation, I see that as no different to when she was desperate and gave the DUP £1 billion of your taxpayer cash for 10 votes in the commons.

[Drummond]

I would of resigned, as she should of done when she called a snap election to solidify her position, and ended up losing seats.

In any case - You were the one in this thread that said the kinds of offers she was making seemed like bribery due to desperation, I see that as no different to when she was desperate and gave the DUP £1 billion of your taxpayer cash for 10 votes in the commons.

You hold an election. The result gives you the largest share of seats in the Commons there is. You can therefore govern, as the winning Party (when no other Party has a chance to ..) ... BUT, you have to ensure an outright majority in the Commons is available to you for whenever votes will be needed. Can you not see that to fail to take measures to ensure that very governing power is an act of irresponsibility, a dereliction of Governmental duty, and worse, ITSELF betrays all the millions of people who'd have voted for you ?

Bribery isn't involved, especially as the deal struck would've been one tailored to ensure that governing Party does, actually, govern, as they were voted in to do !!!

Brexit is different. Here, we have a situation where the voters voted for Brexit with clear intent. Mrs May has brokered a deal with the EU (after outrageous disrespect, bullying, and intransigence from the EU side), which is sufficiently poor as to COMPROMISE VOTERS' EXPECTATIONS.

In the one example, Mrs May totally acted to uphold democratic process, and its outcome. In the other, she's brokered a deal which compromises it. Now, she's apparently offering bribes to help ensure that this compromise wins through.

[Drummond]

Saw this a while back (today) ....

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[Elessar]

I would of resigned, as she should of done when she called a snap election to solidify her position, and ended up losing seats.

In any case - You were the one in this thread that said the kinds of offers she was making seemed like bribery due to desperation, I see that as no different to when she was desperate and gave the DUP £1 billion of your taxpayer cash for 10 votes in the commons.

Would of? Should of?

Try Would Have and Should Have.

And you spout how intellectual you wish us to think you that you are.
Poor sloppy grammar indicates you are not, in spite of your attempts,
to be nothing but a kid who uses big words, often out of context, to
make your self appear to be some kind of genius.

[Black Diamond]

Would of? Should of?

Try Would Have and Should Have.

And you spout how intellectual you wish us to think you that you are.
Poor sloppy grammar indicates you are not, in spite of your attempts,
to be nothing but a kid who uses big words, often out of context, to
make your self appear to be some kind of genius.

You caught that too.

[Drummond]

You caught that too.

I've already grown tired of addressing Noir's 'iffy' grammar and assorted typographical errors. With luck, he'll note comments. But this does nothing to stop him persisting with some sort of belief in his occupying a loftier plane than the rest of us ...

[Noir]

I have posted many times that I am dyslexic and generally it would appear to be ignored, forgotten, or unread. As always you are all more than welcome to keep highlighting mistakes that will happen again (and more likely than not will be in this post) but it will change nothing, so it’s not a very productive use of your time.

[Drummond]

I have posted many times that I am dyslexic and generally it would appear to be ignored, forgotten, or unread. As always you are all more than welcome to keep highlighting mistakes that will happen again (and more likely than not will be in this post) but it will change nothing, so it’s not a very productive use of your time.

Well, your latest post exhibits no evidence at all of your asserted dyslexia, Noir. Grammar, spelling, even punctuation, appear to me to be perfect from that post. Are congratulations in order ?

In any case, I'm not sure that repeating the same error of grammar, with total consistency (i.e no random variation at all, creeping in ..) is the same as actual dyslexia ? Just sayin' ..... :rolleyes:

[Noir]

Well, your latest post exhibits no evidence at all of your asserted dyslexia, Noir. Grammar, spelling, even punctuation, appear to me to be perfect from that post. Are congratulations in order ?

In any case, I'm not sure that repeating the same error of grammar, with total consistency (i.e no random variation at all, creeping in ..) is the same as actual dyslexia ? Just sayin' ..... :rolleyes:

All this post is displaying is your ignorance on the topic of dyslexia - I could go on at length but I doubt you would care much given your dislike of my politics this will be put in the same grouping.

Two things I would advise - be less eager to mock with ‘congratulations’ you don’t know who are how others on this site could be affected by something like dyslexia and you are mocking them too. Secondly I would suggest talking to Kathianne for information on the topic - as I did many years ago, as she had a wealth of info on it.

And with that - less on me and back to the actual topic.

[Black Diamond]

All this post is displaying is your ignorance on the topic of dyslexia - I could go on at length but I doubt you would care much given your dislike of my politics this will be put in the same grouping.

Two things I would advise - be less eager to mock with ‘congratulations’ you don’t know who are how others on this site could be affected by something like dyslexia and you are mocking them too. Secondly I would suggest talking to Kathianne for information on the topic - as I did many years ago, as she had a wealth of info on it.

And with that - less on me and back to the actual topic.

I don't pick on people's disabilities. I didn't think using would of instead of would have was a dyslexia issue.

[Drummond]

I don't pick on people's disabilities. I didn't think using would of instead of would have was a dyslexia issue.

I don't think so, either. I'm not convinced by Noir's assertion.

Granted, I'm no expert on dyslexia. And ... I'm willing to be proven wrong, when I actually AM wrong. With all this in mind, I've just done a small bit of research. I've found that dyslexia manifests itself in a far greater number of ways than I'd believed.

But, try as I did .. I found no specific reference to repeated errors of GRAMMAR being an issue, as such. Wrong spellings - transposition of letters - and a great range of other potential / actual manifestations, yes. No mention of grammar being a specific issue, though, nor of such errors being repeated in short order.

The other thing that struck me was that 'would OF' is a form of uneducated, semi-slang usage, that the young in my part of the world indulge in ... it's relatively commonplace in the UK. Be around a London council estate, listen in to groups of teenagers, and they'll use 'OF' as a preferred alternative to good grammar.

Perhaps it's a form of 'street cred' expressiveness ...

I've one other comment for Noir. Yes, we're very different, politically ... in outlook ... in worldview too, most likely. Not being Socialist, and wishing to retain my OWN mind, and a freedom to think as I choose ... I am not, nor will ever be, any fan or adherent of political correctness, nor yet the opportunistic tyranny behind it !!

So, Noir, if you had it in mind to appeal to my psychological alignment to the so-called' right' way to think and feel, as YOU insist should apply .. I'm delighted to disappoint you.

You choose to be yourself, Noir. Ultimately, that's your right and privilege. But never make the mistake of considering that this applies in any lesser a way to those you don't see eye-to-eye with .. such as myself.