No Progress huh?

[avatar4321]

http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=1.0.1225974555


Iraq: Baathists 'disown al-Qaeda'

Baghdad, 22 August (AKI) - The leader of Iraq's banned Baath party, Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri, has decided to join efforts by the Iraqi authorities to fight al-Qaeda, one of the party's former top officials, Abu Wisam al-Jashaami, told pan-Arab daily Al Hayat.

"AlDouri has decided to sever ties with al-Qaeda and sign up to the programme of the national resistance, which includes routing Islamist terrorists and opening up dialogue with the Baghdad government and foreign forces," al-Jashaami said.

Al-Douri has decided to deal directly with US forces in Iraq, according to al-Jashaami. He figures in the 55-card deck of "most wanted" officials from the former Iraqi regime issued by the US government.

In return, for cooperating in the fight against al-Qaeda, al-Douri has asked for guarantees over his men's safety and for an end to Iraqi army attacks on his militias.

Recent weeks have seen a first step in this direction, when Baathist fighters cooperated with Iraqi government forces in hunting down al-Qaeda operatives in the volatile Diyala province and in several districts of the capital, Baghadad.

Although the Baath party was officially banned after US-led forces in 2003 toppled the regime of Iraq's late president Saddam Hussein, its members have fought in the insurgency.

Until just a few months ago, former Baath party members were helping Islamists carry out terrorist attacks against US forces in Iraq.

Looks to me like we are winning.

[diuretic]

Now this would be the Baathists that were kicked out of every single government position when the new regime was instituted.....sloooooooow thinkers you have running the show there.

[truthmatters]

Just how long do you think this guy will stay loyal?

What about the fact the the entire elected government of Iraq is about to dissinegrate?

[Gaffer]

The government of iraq is reforming itself. Different political groups are realigning. It's not disbanding or coming apart. The elected officials will still be there. They are just forming new voting blocks. From my readings it seems a lot of the iraqi people are not happy with what their politicians are doing and the next election cycle should be real interesting for them.

[truthmatters]

Do you ever read the news?

http://uk.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUKKAR03406020070824

[truthmatters]

http://www.iraqupdates.com/index.php

the government is crumbling

[manu1959]

http://www.iraqupdates.com/index.php

the government is crumbling

it is odd to see what brings you joy.....

[manu1959]

Just how long do you think this guy will stay loyal?

What about the fact the the entire elected government of Iraq is about to dissinegrate?

you seem so happy about this.....

[LiberalNation]

It does make for more interesting news.

[Gaffer]

Do you ever read the news?

http://uk.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUKKAR03406020070824

I read the news. I just don't read liberal propaganda.

[Swarm]

I think in todays world if someone wants to know the truth, or to get closer to the truth one needs to watch both conservative and liberal programs, and try to arrrive at a conclusion by himself/herself.

[manu1959]

I think in todays world if someone wants to know the truth, or to get closer to the truth one needs to watch both conservative and liberal programs, and try to arrrive at a conclusion by himself/herself.

very true....

[truthmatters]

I read the news. I just don't read liberal propaganda.


Rueters is not liberal.

Tell us who you trust for news?

[manu1959]

Rueters is not liberal.

Tell us who you trust for news?

really.....since when...

[truthmatters]

Give us some evidence that rueters is biased?

[manu1959]

Give us some evidence that rueters is biased?

didn't use the word biased.....used the word liberal

[truthmatters]

Prove either.

[manu1959]

Prove either.

easy find me one reuters article praising one thing the us military and george bush has done....

[truthmatters]

No you made the claim do your own homework

[manu1959]

No you made the claim do your own homework

can't find one can ya........guilty till proven innocent......liberal play book page 7....

[truthmatters]

I didnt look because you made th claim they were biased not me.

You never back up anything you claim with any facts do you?

[manu1959]

I didnt look because you made th claim they were biased not me.

You never back up anything you claim with any facts do you?

http://www.umich.edu/~newsbias/articles.html

uh oh bias....

[Gaffer]

Can we say rueters = photoshop?

[manu1959]

http://www.umich.edu/~newsbias/articles.html

uh oh bias....

even biased wiki says they are biased...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuters

[edit] Allegations of bias
The news organization has been accused of showing an anti-Israel and anti-American bias, by sources such as the National Review and The Wall Street Journal's editorial division.


[edit] Wording
This became a point of controversy in September of 2001, regarding their coverage of the September 11, 2001 attacks. Reuters global news editor Stephen Jukes wrote, "We all know that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter and that Reuters upholds the principle that we do not use the word terrorist." The Washington Post media critic Howard Kurtz responded, "After the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, and again after the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, Reuters allowed the events to be described as acts of terror. But as of last week, even that terminology is banned." [14] Reuters later apologized for this characterization of their policy [7], although they maintained the policy itself.

The September 20, 2004 edition of the The New York Times reported that Reuters Global Managing Editor, David A. Schlesinger, objected to Canadian newspapers editing Reuters articles through inclusion of the word "terrorist," stating that "my goal is to protect our reporters and protect our editorial integrity." [8]

Due to this policy, Reuters was careful to only use the word "terrorist" in quotes, whether quotations or scare quotes. However, when reporting the 7 July 2005 London bombings, the service reported, "Police said they suspected terrorists were behind the bombings." The contrast between this and their aforementioned policy was criticized[9], although by that point Reuters policy was to use such words "when we are quoting someone directly or in indirect speech," and this headline is an example of the latter.[10] The news organization has subsequently used the term "terrorist" without quotations when the article clarifies that it is someone else's words.


[edit] Photographs controversies
Main article: 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict photographs controversies
See also: Adnan Hajj photographs controversy
Reuters was accused of bias against Israel in its coverage of the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict, in which - among other actions - the company used two doctored photos by a Lebanese freelance photographer Adnan Hajj [11]. On August 7, 2006, Reuters announced [12] it severed all ties with Hajj and said his photographs would be removed from its database. Critics alleged that removing Hajj dealt with only a symptom of much deeper problems at the news organization: bias and widespread use of local freelance photographers, which can result in Reuters inadvertently acting as a "propaganda outlet". [13]

[manu1959]

Can we say rueters = photoshop?

can you say one mans "terrorist" is another man's freedom fighter....unless you bomb london then you are a TERRORIST

[truthmatters]

So you claim because they tried to remain completely neutral and flubbed it once they are liberally biased?

[nevadamedic]

http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=1.0.1225974555



Looks to me like we are winning.

A lot of the small tribes and groups of people have been teaming up with us to push AQ out. It started about a month ago.

[manu1959]

So you claim because they tried to remain completely neutral and flubbed it once they are liberally biased?

yep......once biased always biased....no redemption....no forgiveness....no righting a wrong....liberal playbook page 83: dirty hands argument

[manu1959]

A lot of the small tribes and groups of people have been teaming up with us to push AQ out. It started about a month ago.

that will only solve one of the wars going on there though

there is also:

the religious war

the criminal / gang war

the iranian's etc....

the x-military "freedom fighters" war

[avatar4321]

Do you ever read the news?

http://uk.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUKKAR03406020070824

Do you ever look past what the reports say to whats actually going on?

[truthmatters]

yep......once biased always biased....no redemption....no forgiveness....no righting a wrong....liberal playbook page 83: dirty hands argument


So now you say we are doing Iraq to get the Iraqis to kill each ohter?

[avatar4321]

http://www.iraqupdates.com/index.php

the government is crumbling

I suppose you could argue that. But your articles are just indicating political realignment. When the political fall out is over, there will be a new alignment of political figures who will form a new government. It happens in almost every Democratic/Republic system. Very frequently.

[truthmatters]

Did you read the articles?

[manu1959]

So now you say we are doing Iraq to get the Iraqis to kill each ohter?

yep....it is all an evil genocidal conspariacy by skull and bones to kill all the muslims in the wolrd one country at a time and then take their oil with no bid contracts to darth cheney......

lets all kneel and pray for the second comming of hilary.....

[truthmatters]

so you agree our aim is to kill all the Iraqis?

[manu1959]

so you agree our aim is to kill all the Iraqis?

oh ya.....gotta kill them all ....the whole oli thing is a diversion....bush and cheney just want to kill iraqis....skull and bones man skull and bones....

[retiredman]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070825/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_counting_the_dead

I have been off in the gulag for so long, I cannot remember what thread I posted on where I predicted EXACTLY this. Yeah...we are making REAL progress.... our own NIE reports that Maliki is a joke.... the body count is doubling.... the political benchmarks we set for the Iraqi government have not been met.... over the last twelve months, American casualties are 40% higher than the previous twelve months.... you gotta be veritably waterlogged with bush brand koolaid to try and call that progress.