Jordan Peterson destroys the idea of White Privilege

[darin]

Yep.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbDggKqt3KA

[Noir]

He “destroys” the idea of ‘white privilege’, by rebranding it as ‘majority privilege’ which in America is, er, white?

[darin]

He “destroys” the idea of ‘white privilege’, by rebranding it as ‘majority privilege’ which in America is, er, white?

words matter. If it's majority privilege it means whatever privilege MAY exist has nothing to do with race or ethnicity. Also apply to sub groups - such as areas predominately non-white.

[Noir]

words matter. If it's majority privilege it means whatever privilege MAY exist has nothing to do with race or ethnicity. Also apply to sub groups - such as areas predominately non-white.

Do you think that majority privilege exists in America?

[darin]

Do you think that majority privilege exists in America?

Insofar as everyone participates in it, there's probably some data that suggests societies prefer members of their society.

Economically? No. Everyone has the same chance for success. Poverty is a choice for able-bodied members of society.

[Noir]

Insofar as everyone participates in it, there's probably some data that suggests societies prefer members of their society.

Economically? No. Everyone has the same chance for success. Poverty is a choice for able-bodied members of society.

So you agree that societies tend to have inbuild bias and preferences, but don’t think that has any economic impact?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Yep.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbDggKqt3KA

Guy is brilliant-- so many truths spoken...
Short of it is this, in my opinion- To destroy good , eviiiiiiiiiil using any mean that gettttttttes resulttttttts,
destroying freedoms to speak is a great start to planting GARDEN OFF DESTRUCTION.
And evil only cares about death and destruction as far as mankind is concerened...
Thus it boils down to-- yetttt againnnnnnnn, good vs. evil....
Which political party in this nation most defends ,criminals, perverts, ex cons, terrorists, etc, etc, etc.....
The answer to that question is obvious and its answer points directly at the entity/group seething to destroy this nation-- two plus two always equals four(libs- new math says it can be 5)...
The designed counter to this is the faithfuly promoted idea that one must not, can not and by god will not, dare call one group evil( dem party finds this infintely helpful and are the ones that engineered (this stupidity) and promotes it in the PC attack strategy.....
Yet old dinosaurs like me , taught by schools and teachers that were so damn good at their jobs( over 5 decades ago)-- simply refuse this darkness, this calamitous arrogance, stupidity--AND REFUSE THIS EVILLLLLL......
And we do this because we long ago decided , not to bow down to such filthy morons and their utter insanity that lead them to be evil bastards.
We that were taught to fight back oft is the honorable and most courageous path to follow!!-Tyr

[darin]

So you agree that societies tend to have inbuild bias and preferences, but don’t think that has any economic impact?


No. I said society likes its own and tends to prefer its own. There is no oppression in the USA of any minority group except for white men, whose oppression if federally-funded and at times mandated.

Societal "privilege" may exist except it has little to no power to change somebody's life.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I wonder if there's any black privilege in Africa, or hispanic privilege in Mexico...

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I wonder if there's any black privilege in Africa, or hispanic privilege in Mexico...

Or turkey privilege in Turkey? ;)
Or chili privilege in Chili? ;)
Or racing privileges in I RAN??-- ;)
Or any other fantasy way to "splain" the differences in different cultures and different levels of wealth? Maybe we should act as libs "splain" -- in Spain?-- ;)

Humor aside-

Selling a lie is always easier the dumber the person is that you are selling it to..
Which is why dem/libs set about and accomplished the wholesale downgrading of our public school system..
The more ignorant one is(as in the less educated) the more gullible they are,,
Dems/libs, socialists/marxists all swear by that strategy, and this nation having suffered 8 destructive years of the obama is all the proof that one needs to see that truth. ---Tyr

[aboutime]

Or turkey privilege in Turkey? ;)
Or chili privilege in Chili? ;)
Or racing privileges in I RAN??-- ;)
Or any other fantasy way to "splain" the differences in different cultures and different levels of wealth? May we should as libs in --Spain?;)

Humor aside-

Selling a lie is always easier the dumber the person is that you are selling it to..
Which is why dem/libs set about and accomplished the wholesale downgrading of our public school system..
The more ignorant one is(as in the less educated) the more gullible they are,,
Dems/libs, socialists/marxists all swear by that strategy, and this nation having suffered 8 destructive years of the obama is all the proof that one needs to see that truth. ---Tyr

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/12/6a/9d/126a9d36d4317ef4313de2d63fa2bb13.jpg
https://i.stack.imgur.com/cXcx9.jpghttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bs1QFKrCQAEYMqd.jpg
The Democrats, and entire DNC practice telling lies often enough to convince those who aren't permitted to know the TRUTH. Saul Alinski used the same tactics, and taught them to Socialist...Democrats.
Pay close attention to number 6 below.....
https://i0.wp.com/bolenreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/alinsky3.jpg?fit=600%2C420

[Elessar]

So you agree that societies tend to have inbuild bias and preferences, but don’t think that has any economic impact?

Noir.....you always say "SO YOU SAY". Do you like putting words in other's mouths?

Why don't you read what is stated?

Just be critical for an opposite view? Time to grow up, sonny!

[aboutime]

Noir. Your tactics didn't work when you were here before, and they certainly aren't going to work now. That's the definition of insanity. Trying something and failing, then trying it again..only to get the same results.

The Liberal Tactic you are using...Always asking a question with a suggestion (So you say)....is a typical tactic that prevents you from actually being forced to answer your own questions.
But it is entertaining to see how YOU SIMPLY NEVER LEARNED THE FIRST TIME.

[Elessar]

So you agree that societies tend to have inbuild bias and preferences, but don’t think that has any economic impact?


No. I said society likes its own and tends to prefer its own. There is no oppression in the USA of any minority group except for white men, whose oppression if federally-funded and at times mandated.

Societal "privilege" may exist except it has little to no power to change somebody's life.

Again, Noir wants to twist what he read. Did you read and listen carefully?
What is the UK doing with all the problems there? Answer - NOT A DAMN THING.

Time to grow up lad. Preach to you own country mates. Fix that first. Or get appointed to the UN and
be as useless as you are on media such as this.

[Drummond]

Again, Noir wants to twist what he read. Did you read and listen carefully?
What is the UK doing with all the problems there? Answer - NOT A DAMN THING.

Time to grow up lad. Preach to you own country mates. Fix that first. Or get appointed to the UN and
be as useless as you are on media such as this.

We don't even perceive problems as the problems they ARE ... because 'PC' imperatives get in the way. Led, aided and abetted, by the Left .. of course ...

The UK has an enormous amount to fix in its own society, so you make an excellent point.

[SassyLady]

He “destroys” the idea of ‘white privilege’, by rebranding it as ‘majority privilege’ which in America is, er, white?

What side would you say those of mixed heritage fall on?

[SassyLady]

So you agree that societies tend to have inbuild bias and preferences, but don’t think that has any economic impact?

If there is such a thing as white privilege, how did it evolve?

[Noir]

If there is such a thing as white privilege, how did it evolve?

I am by no means well read on the subject - but my understanding is that the base from which it grew was tribalism.

[SassyLady]

I am by no means well read on the subject - but my understanding is that the base from which it grew was tribalism.

And there are no other tribes? Could it be that "whites" used available resources more effectively, thus expanding their tribe?

I'm not talking about recent history.

[Noir]

And there are no other tribes? Could it be that "whites" used available resources more effectively, thus expanding their tribe?

I'm not talking about recent history.

Of course - that’s a key point, through expansion, colonialism, and institutionalism a tribe expands its powerbase and social bias.

Individualism requires recognising and breaking down these inbuilt privileges, to remove power from the tribe and grant it to the individual.

[SassyLady]

Of course - that’s a key point, through expansion, colonialism, and institutionalism a tribe expands its powerbase and social bias.

Individualism requires recognising and breaking down these inbuilt privileges, to remove power from the tribe and grant it to the individual.

So, how did whites obtain enough power to expand and colonize over other tribes?

[Noir]

So, how did whites obtain enough power to expand and colonize over other tribes?

As a generalisation most common answer in the history of the world is by warfare. I’m sure you have a much better knowledge than I of how whites became the dominant tribe in North America for example.

[darin]

As a generalisation most common answer in the history of the world is by warfare. I’m sure you have a much better knowledge than I of how whites became the dominant tribe in North America for example.

Through warfare. Through a 100+ years-long war. Same as every other country in history up to that point.

[SassyLady]

As a generalisation most common answer in the history of the world is by warfare. I’m sure you have a much better knowledge than I of how whites became the dominant tribe in North America for example.

If they became the dominant tribe in America how did it happen? Were they better than other tribes at warfare? If so, why? Why did they dominate? What strengths did they have that allowed them to dominate?

[Noir]

If they became the dominant tribe in America how did it happen? Were they better than other tribes at warfare? If so, why? Why did they dominate? What strengths did they have that allowed them to dominate?

Given my knowledge of the American Indian wars, I’m completely unequipped to answer any of those questions.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Given my knowledge of the American Indian wars, I’m completely unequipped to answer any of those questions.
You should be able to answer those questions using basic common sense and deduction.

[Noir]

You should be able to answer those question using basic common sense and deduction.

History is rarely simple. I don’t think it would be of use to anyone for me to ramble -by way of common sense and deduction- about the American Indian wars which I know next to nothing about.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

History is rarely simple. I don’t think it would be of use to anyone for me to ramble -by way of common sense and deduction- about the American Indian wars which I know next to nothing about.
If you had any common sense, you'd know that it isn't about war anyway.

Sassy was attempting to get you to respond to a much more basic point. Apparently it went right over your head.

[Noir]

If you had any common sense, you'd know that isn't about war anyway.

Sassy was attempting to get you to respond to a much more basic point. Apparently it went right over your head.

Apparently so, do enlighten me.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Apparently so, do enlighten me.
I will give it a shot in a very general way(and perhaps only partially).
I believe that Sassylady was pointing out the obvious, mankind exists under earthly rulers, in which each society sets its standards..
We are not the Borg and I think you miss that trying to achieve perfect equality is an impossibility because we are not all equal in all things.
White privilege is in essence nothing more than the complaint that others(Whites) are not punished and brought down to lesser states of existence-- in order that those less skilled, less intelligent, less driven to achieve desired treasures, wealth, and /or societal status can benefit(as in unfairly benefit from that government punishment)
Sassylady points out quite correctly, in my opinion, the flaws in your views of white -privilege and your not understanding our history diminishing your
already mistakenly founded view..
If I got it somewhat correct, I agree with my friend one hundred percent.
Noted she may explain better her comments made and her deep insight into the subject at hand my friend..-Tyr

[Noir]

We’ll see Tyr, or perhaps you don’t have /any common sense/ and the point went /right over your head/ aswell.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

We’ll see Tyr, or perhaps you don’t have /any common sense/ and the point went /right over your head/ aswell.

Well my friend, if it did -ALL- just go right on over my head, then such is the curse if only being human and not perfect.
Perfection I dare not ever claim!
But, but but, once in the summer of '69, I truly thought that- I HAD DONE SOMETHING PERFECT BUT SADLY FOUND OUT LATER THAT I WAS ONLY MISTAKEN..--;)--Tyr

[SassyLady]

Given my knowledge of the American Indian wars, I’m completely unequipped to answer any of those questions.

Noir ... I'm talking about the spread of "white privilege" way before colonization of the Americas.

Specifically, Western Europe. Surely you know a little about how that happened. How did the conquerors gain enough strength to become dominant?

[Noir]

Noir ... I'm talking about the spread of "white privilege" way before colonization of the Americas.

Specifically, Western Europe. Surely you know a little about how that happened. How did the conquerors gain enough strength to become dominant?

What time period are you talking about when ‘white conquerors’ were not the dominants in Western Europe?

Tbh I think this is a lot of talking around the point - can we cut to the quick as to what this has to do with the topic?

[SassyLady]

What time period are you talking about when ‘white conquerors’ were not the dominants in Western Europe?


Tbh I think this is a lot of talking around the point - can we cut to the quick as to what this has to do with the topic?

Noir, the topic of this thread IS Jordan Petersen, who is from Canada btw, explaining it's not white privilege but tribal privilege (which is not confined to America). The question to you is "how did this particular tribe" evolve to become dominant. Why not the black, brown, or rainbow colored skin tribes? Try to explain why those tribes did not become dominant instead of trying to justify what liberals have pounded away to the point of creating white guilt. Do you ever listen to his talks?

Do you think in the beginning of time whites were just granted being a privileged tribe? There's reasons, which were mentioned by Tyr, and I'm sure you can give your opinion on what they are.

[Noir]

I would be quite confident that I have listened to and read more of Peterson’s work than anyone else on this forum, so I am well aware of him.

As I referenced in my first post in this thread - Jordan’s objection manifests as little more than a rebranding, from white privilege to majority privilege. In accepting that you can then look to your society to see what majority privileges exist, and how you can help to stop them existing.

[SassyLady]

I would be quite confident that I have listened to and read more of Peterson’s work than anyone else on this forum, so I am well aware of him.

As I referenced in my first post in this thread - Jordan’s objection manifests as little more than a rebranding, from white privilege to majority privilege. In accepting that you can then look to your society to see what majority privileges exist, and how you can help to stop them existing.

Why stop them?

Petersen quote

"I think the idea of white privilege is absolutely reprehensible. And it's not because white people aren't privileged. You know, we have all sorts of privileges, and most people have privileges of all sorts, and you should be grateful for your privileges and work to deserve them, I would say. But, the idea that you can target an ethnic group with a collective crime, regardless of the specific innocence or guilt of the constituent elements of that group, there is absolutely nothing that's more racist than that. It's absolutely abhorrent."

[Noir]

Why stop them?

Because I think it is better that a society has has individualism at its base, rather than tribalism.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Because I think it is better that a society has has individualism at its base, rather than tribalism.
To put it in UN-politically correct terms, which I usually excel at, it's as simple as this... this "white privilege" cry is pure hog wash. It's nothing more than reverse racism. Evidently things like Affirmative Action and quotas and what not still aren't enough to "level the playing field" for some races to compete against white people. Those races must really be stupid and lazy! No... they can't be that stupid, it must be something else. Oh I know, it's WHITE PRIVILEGE. Whites didn't get into that college because of their good HS grades and entrance exam tests scores, it was WHITE PRIVILEGE, and they didn't get that good job because they graduated from college with honors, no of course not, it was WHITE PRIVILEGE, and they don't have that nice car and that nice house in a nice neighborhood and EVERYTHING else because they WORKED hard for it and EARNED it, no, it was GIVEN to them because they're WHITE, it was that WHITE PRIVILEGE.

And there's your FARCICAL white privilege. It's cry baby black people that started this garbage. We've been bending over backwards for blacks giving them special treatment and handing everything over to them on a silver platter for 50 years now, and since they still can't achieve the standing in society that white people have, it CAN'T be because they haven't WORKED as hard as whites, or even because they're not as SMART as whites, yes I went there because they're NOT, no it HAS to be something else, so they dream up this moronic white privilege BS.

Sometimes I don't know why society even entertains such idiotic ideas. I'm amazed how they feel the need to have conversations about topics that are about as stupid as, "why do turds stink?" When the answer is obvious, people dance around these issues and pretend there's all these other psycobabble reasons because first and foremost, political correctness cripples them and they're incapable of admitting the true, core reasons. That's why stupid issues like this even have life.

[Noir]

Drifter -

I think the concepts behind white privilege are more nuanced than you would imply, and indeed as per Sassys quote of him Peterson himself doesn’t deny that these privileges exist.

What Peterson says may well be considered ‘unPC’ but regardless of that it is at the very least a well reasoned argument that is made in good faith. Your post appears to be neither well reasoned, or in good faith.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Drifter -

I think the concepts behind white privilege are more nuanced than you would imply, and indeed as per Sassys quote of him Peterson himself doesn’t deny that these privileges exist.

What Peterson says may well be considered ‘unPC’ but regardless of that it is at the very least a well reasoned argument that is made in good faith. Your post appears to be neither well reasoned, or in good faith.
Well, see, there ya go. You're brain has been so polluted with political correctness and leftist BS group think already in your little young life without any wisdom, you're not only unaware of your own ignorance, you're incapable of seeing the obvious.

So what do you do, just like any other sassy little leftist twit, you have to spew out an insult.

Well how's this, fuck you.

[aboutime]

Because I think it is better that a society has has individualism at its base, rather than tribalism.


You should be talking to the NAACP, and our BLM groups here in the USA, rather than pretending to have all of the answers about White Privilege.
When liberals from all walks of life are convinced...the color of another human being's skin gives them the Liberal Definition of Privilege...that merely endorses the hypocrisy that surrounds the racist tactics to belittle other human beings. You are proving it.

[SassyLady]

Because I think it is better that a society has has individualism at its base, rather than tribalism.

Can an individual survive without tribalism? Thoughts From Man With A Purpose.


THE FALLACY OF JORDAN PETERSON’S INDIVIDUALISM


The natural state of humankind is that of organic hierarchy. It is the state in which every human in a semi-normative environment is born into, at least on the micro scale. A person is born with brother and sisters, cousins, uncles, a father and mother, and grandparents: a family. This family unit is the quintessential tribe.....



The great accomplishments of the West were not due to individualism. In fact, as individualism has increased in recent times, the greatness of the West has decreased. For example, compare the art of more traditional times to modern art, which is much more individual and subjective than the older forms.
The idea that there are only two modes (individualism and collectivism) is dishonest and ignores the fact that for most of Western Civilization, neither mode of organization was primary. This false dichotomy is very similar to the false dichotomy of capitalism/communism. Both of these fallacies are the product of modern barren minds.

http://manwithapurpose.com/the-fallacy-of-jordan-petersons-individualism/

[Drummond]

Drifter -

I think the concepts behind white privilege are more nuanced than you would imply, and indeed as per Sassys quote of him Peterson himself doesn’t deny that these privileges exist.

What Peterson says may well be considered ‘unPC’ but regardless of that it is at the very least a well reasoned argument that is made in good faith. Your post appears to be neither well reasoned, or in good faith.

I don't accept - certainly not in modern times - the notion of 'white privilege'.

Times may have changed. But, Noir, you must be very well aware that in our own society, people can talk of 'the black culture', or 'black interests'. London Broadcasting (LBC - news radio station) used to regularly broadcast a programme called 'Rice and Peas', and it openly advertised itself as a programme 'from a black point of view'.

Not many saw any of that as racist.

Now, try substituting the word 'black' for 'white'. Imagine LBC devoting any programme at all to 'a white point of view'. Noir, you and I know that LBC would probably lose its license to broadcast, with pressure groups and politicians alike branding them racist. Everybody would see a 'white' version of such things, concepts, as outrageously racist IF 'white' is considered. Not so if we're talking about black people, though.

Ancient history may say one thing about so-called 'white privilege'. But now, it's redundant .. some may not admit it, but the tables are turned. Today, any suggestion of modern-day 'white privilege' is BOGUS. If anything, it's the other way around.

And well you know it, Noir .. if you're being honest.

[Noir]

If you disagree that majority privileges exist, fair enough, but I think that puts you in a low minority, and understandably so.

[aboutime]

If you disagree that majority privileges exist, fair enough, but I think that puts you in a low minority, and understandably so.

Like it or not. ALL MEN & WOMEN were created equally. If it is human. It is the ONLY privilege ANYONE HAS.

[Noir]

Like it or not. ALL MEN & WOMEN were created equally. If it is human. It is the ONLY privilege ANYONE HAS.

We are not equal, we are individual, and have all manor of factors -positive and negative- thrust on us.

[aboutime]

We are not equal, we are individual, and have all manor of factors -positive and negative- thrust on us.

Sounds like YOU have a really big problem Noir. Hope you have access to Socialized medicine
to take care of your constant, negative, sky is falling attitude. Must be terrible to be SO ALONE.

Noir. You are combining the POSSESSIONS of human beings, and confusing them with ALL MEN/WOMEN are CREATED Equal to enforce your argument as all of us being Individuals. I don't disagree with that part. But ALL OF US ARE BORN equally as talented, or able to be personally responsible for our actions as we mature. Confusing the TWO is MOOT!

[FakeNewsSux]

We are not equal, we are individual, and have all manor of factors -positive and negative- thrust on us.

And therein lies the answer! I, like you Noir, strongly believe in individualism. I too have a dream that one day I will live in a world where we are judged, not by the color of our skin, but by the content of our character. Don't get all hung up on fair or unfair, privileged or non-privileged, you may as well be bitching about the weather. The answer lies in how the individual responds to the situation and environment they find themselves in. I've found that belief in a higher power helps in directing the individual in making decisions and taking actions that enhance and empower not just the individual but society as a whole.

[Noir]

And therein lies the answer! I, like you Noir, strongly believe in individualism. I too have a dream that one day I will live in a world where we are judged, not by the color of our skin, but by the content of our character. Don't get all hung up on fair or unfair, privileged or non-privileged, you may as well be bitching about the weather. The answer lies in how the individual responds to the situation and environment they find themselves in. I've found that belief in a higher power helps in directing the individual in making decisions and taking actions that enhance and empower not just the individual but society as a whole.

And in order to get to an individualist society you need to recognise what privileges are in place. Some would prefer to deny there existence but I don’t think that’s helpful.

[FakeNewsSux]

And in order to get to an individualist society you need to recognise what privileges are in place. Some would prefer to deny there existence but I don’t think that’s helpful.

I don't deny that they exist, recognize the situation and react properly to it. Oh no, it's raining today I can't go to work! How will I make enough money to pay the rent? Hey, I got an idea, why not use an umbrella?

[FakeNewsSux]

And in order to get to an individualist society you need to recognise what privileges are in place. Some would prefer to deny there existence but I don’t think that’s helpful.

I'm not sure about where you live, but here in America we have structured our self government system around the primacy of the individual. Just read our founding documents. Today, however we have one political party that is demanding that we destroy this system based on roiling up the various tribal groups in the country to simply put them in charge to right these historic wrongs by subjugating the rights of the individual to those of the collective. Not sure if I agree with that plan.

[Black Diamond]

We are not equal, we are individual, and have all manor of factors -positive and negative- thrust on us.
By Britain?

[Noir]

I don't deny that they exist, recognize the situation and react properly to it.

Exactly, but there are people in this thread that not only believe the problem does not exist, but think that thinking the problem does exist is the real problem 🙃

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Exactly, but there are people in this thread that not only believe the problem does not exist, but think that thinking the problem does exist is the real problem 

There are people in this thread that think you are way off base with your views on this. As in it does not exist in the way you describe and is more the power of the ruling government than it is white privilege.
Are you referencing USA when making your comments or- Britain and its African colonies?
Do you understand how brutal are the government in those now freed colonies? How whites in such places are being denied rights, having their lands(and their lives) taken from them?
All the ills and/or evils( inequities) of mankind can not be laid at the feet of one group.
I am white and my government daily punishes me. Yet I blame government not some race....--Tyr

[FakeNewsSux]

The nation's "Newspaper of Record" weighs in on the idea of white privilege:





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