Brennan/Clapper were supposed to STOP hacking, not complain about it

[Russ]

Brennan and Clapper seem to be constantly talking to CNN and other fake new outlets about how Russia is always trying to hack American networks. They always try to imply that it is Trump's fault, too.

I have to ask the obvious question: if Brennan was head of the CIA and Clapper was head of National Intelligence - wasn't it part of their jobs to prevent hacking attacks? Shouldn't they be saying "this is how we should be stopping these hack attacks" instead of "er, um, Russia is always trying to hack us".

Part of my job is network security at a financial institution, and I have to say that if I complained to management how "everyone's always trying to hack into our network" their response would be "Stop complaining. We are paying you to stop the hacking, so do it." I can guarantee that their response would NOT be "That sounds so unfair. Don't bother stopping the hacks, let's just complain to the media."

Russ's recommendation - "If you live in this world, expect hacking attempts"

There are a lot of tools to stop the phishing attacks that penetrated the DNC, including firewalls, application-level firewalls, heuristics, email scrubbers, proxies, and also forcing all the employees to not use public email systems for secure emails. The DNC sounds like it did none of these things. They almost deserved to be hacked.

And let's face it - Hillary set up her own email server for one reason - in the mistaken belief that she could keep her emails secret from Congress. It ended up being a big reason why Wikileaks had so much information on her.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Brennan and Clapper seem to be constantly talking CNN and other fake new outlets about how Russia is always trying to hack American networks. They always try to imply that it is Trump's fault, too.

I have to ask the obvious question: if Brennan was head of the CIA and Clapper has head on National Intelligence - wasn't it part of their jobs to prevent hacking attacks? Shouldn't they be saying "this is how we should be stopping these hack attacks" instead of "er, um, Russia is always trying to hack us".

Part of my job is network security at a financial institution, and I have to say that if I complained to management how "everyone's always trying to hack into our network" their response would be "Stop complaining. We are paying you to stop the hacking, so do it." I can guarantee that their response would NOT be "That sounds so unfair. Don't bother stopping the hacks, let's just complain to the media."

Russ's recommendation - "If you live in this world, expect hacking attempts"

There are a lot of tools to stop the phishing attacks that penetrated the DNC, including firewalls, application-level firewalls, heuristics, email scrubbers, proxies, and also forcing all the employees to not use public email systems for secure emails. The DNC sounds like it did none of these things. They almost deserved to be hacked.

And let's face it - Hillary set up her own email server for one reason - in the mistaken belief that she could keep her emails secret from Congress. It ended up being a big reason why Wikileaks had so much information on her.
They also fail to mention that this AAAALLL started and happened on THEIR WATCH.

Their hypocrisy is mind numbing.

[Abbey Marie]

I sincerely hope the NSA can do better than this. I was under the impression we were pretty good at this stuff. We need to be able to take care of ourselves, ‘cause our government can’t be trusted.

[jimnyc]

Those guys nauseate me. Basically condemning themselves and not even realizing it. Like Hillary on Twitter now condemning the support of ambassadors or whatever - as she was SO good in support in Benghazi. :rolleyes:

But the TDS is out and folks are even willing to toss themselves under the bus in some manner if it means their condemnation may harm Trump in some manner. I just don't get it.

But strike that out. Someone still needs to be held responsible in this entire saga, and it's not anyone from the right. This whole Russian crap is egged on by the left and what part they played. Hillary emails/server/cheating/uranium/donations..... then the FISA warrants, Stzrok and Page and the list can go on for a few threads. But all anyone wants is Trump's head on a platter or whatever else Mueller can dig up.

[Black Diamond]

Those guys nauseate me. Basically condemning themselves and not even realizing it. Like Hillary on Twitter now condemning the support of ambassadors or whatever - as she was SO good in support in Benghazi. :rolleyes:

But the TDS is out and folks are even willing to toss themselves under the bus in some manner if it means their condemnation may harm Trump in some manner. I just don't get it.

But strike that out. Someone still needs to be held responsible in this entire saga, and it's not anyone from the right. This whole Russian crap is egged on by the left and what part they played. Hillary emails/server/cheating/uranium/donations..... then the FISA warrants, Stzrok and Page and the list can go on for a few threads. But all anyone wants is Trump's head on a platter or whatever else Mueller can dig up.
Still like how Brennan calls trump a traitor but said nothing about Obama and Iranian cash.

[Kathianne]

The President is in charge of foreign policy, even if it's appeasement. Neither Trump, nor Obama were treasonous. Personally I thought both chose to act against the interests of the US by their actions, but both were duly elected and exercising their powers of office.

[Black Diamond]

The President is in charge of foreign policy, even if it's appeasement. Neither Trump, nor Obama were treasonous. Personally I thought both chose to act against the interests of the US by their actions, but both were duly elected and exercising their powers of office.
That's fine. I still don't want to hear Brennan call trump a traitor. One action was worse than the other. And for the record, I never thought Obama should have been impeached.

[Kathianne]

That's fine. I still don't want to hear Brennan call trump a traitor. One action was worse than the other. And for the record, I never thought Obama should have been impeached.

We're in agreement, I don't want the word treason bandied about by those who are misusing it. Same with impeachment.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

We're in agreement, I don't want the word treason bandied about by those who are misusing it. Same with impeachment.
But democrats aren't "banding" those terms about, they mean it.

[Kathianne]

But democrats aren't "banding" those terms about, they mean it.

As do quite a few on the right, including here. Again, those don't mean what some think they mean. While impeachment I guess does mean whatever the House says it does, treason is quite defined.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

As do quite a few on the right, including here. Again, those don't mean what some think they mean. While impeachment I guess does mean whatever the House says it does, treason is quite defined.
And who are these "people on the right?"

Flake?
McCain?
Graham?

Those are never Trumpers, and expected.

[Kathianne]

And who are these "people on the right?"

Flake?
McCain?
Graham?

Those are never Trumpers, and expected.

Huh? None of those folks are calling for impeachment of Trump, nor Obama, whom I actually was referring to with 'those of the right.'

If you are playing a semantics game, I'll be done.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Huh? None of those folks are calling for impeachment of Trump, nor Obama, whom I actually was referring to with 'those of the right.'

If you are playing a semantics game, I'll be done.
I said democrats mean it when they talk about impeachment and treason.

You replied, "as do quite a few on right, including here."

What am I missing?

obama is now on the right?

[Kathianne]

I said democrats mean it when they talk about impeachment and treason.

You replied, "as do quite a few on right, including here."

What am I missing?

obama is now on the right?

So you are playing semantics?


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(http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=914055#post914055)But democrats aren't "banding" those terms about, they mean it.

Those on the 'right' meant it about Obama, hell they are still saying he should be 'deported,' 'flayed,' 'jailed,' 'convicted of treason!!!!' 'Firing squad!' etc.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

So you are playing semantics?

Those on the 'right' meant it about Obama, hell they are still saying he should be 'deported,' 'flayed,' 'jailed,' 'convicted of treason!!!!' 'Firing squad!' etc.
OK maybe I missed your meaning. I read fast, I type fast. I make mistakes.

[aboutime]

Would anyone like to explain why Clapper, and Brennan are still holding TOP SECRET clearances?
They are no longer employee's of the U.S. Govt, nor in the Military.

The day I retired from Active Duty as a RADIOMAN with many Clearances, including TS. My clearances were expired, and I was properly debriefed by the command Operations Officer, and the Official FBI authorizing agent in Norfolk, Va.

CLAPPER and BRENNAN need to be put in jail for DISCLOSING TOP SECRET material to the Press. Any questions? Or disagreement?