Famous Church Forbids Bible Reading On Premises

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Has the world just turned upside down?

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FAMOUS CHURCH FORBIDS BIBLE READING ON PREMISES

Two separate incidents in which London police arrested a man reading the Bible outside the city’s iconic St. Paul’s Cathedral illustrate an erosion of religious freedom in the U.K., a Christian legal advocacy group contends.

Freedom to read the Bible in public was one of the first aspects of freedom of religion to be legally established in England, notes the Barnabas Fund.

A video shows police justifying their actions by stating that the cathedral staff asked them to remove anyone reading from the Bible in the public precinct in front of St Paul’s cathedral, which is owned by the church.

http://www.wnd.com/2018/07/famous-cathedral-forbids-bible-reading-on-premises/

[Black Diamond]

To answer your question.. Yes

but I have a feeling it's the church's right to do this.

[Abbey Marie]

Wow. :(

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Has the world just turned upside down?

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FAMOUS CHURCH FORBIDS BIBLE READING ON PREMISES

Two separate incidents in which London police arrested a man reading the Bible outside the city’s iconic St. Paul’s Cathedral illustrate an erosion of religious freedom in the U.K., a Christian legal advocacy group contends.

Freedom to read the Bible in public was one of the first aspects of freedom of religion to be legally established in England, notes the Barnabas Fund.

A video shows police justifying their actions by stating that the cathedral staff asked them to remove anyone reading from the Bible in the public precinct in front of St Paul’s cathedral, which is owned by the church.

http://www.wnd.com/2018/07/famous-cathedral-forbids-bible-reading-on-premises/

I call bullshit on the lying reason they gave out.
The muslims there have already won, this is the Brit government doing their bidding..
WANT TO KNOW HOW SOON THE MUZZY SCUM GET NUKES?
Just look to Britain...... it has already sold out its native population...
In both world wars, it was USA and Britain that kept the world from going directly to hell.
If there is a WW3, BRITAIN WILL BE ON THE OPPOSING SIDE, IMHO.--Tyr

[Drummond]

I call bullshit on the lying reason they gave out.
The muslims there have already won, this is the Brit government doing their bidding..
WANT TO KNOW HOW SOON THE MUZZY SCUM GET NUKES?
Just look to Britain...... it has already sold out its native population...
In both world wars, it was USA and Britain that kept the world from going directly to hell.
If there is a WW3, BRITAIN WILL BE ON THE OPPOSING SIDE, IMHO.--Tyr

Political correctness is a terrible thing, because from it, comes an imperative as to how people MUST think and feel.

The extreme result in the UK is that no Government ever hoping to be elected now dares to stray outside of it. 'Islam is a religion of peace, and must receive deference to this at all times' ... that attitude is now firmly entrenched into all walks of life, from the uppermost tiers of Governmental policy-making, to chats people might have in pubs. Defy that ... and accusations of 'hatespeech' and racism start flying around ... ultimately actionable in law.

Our law now insists (or so they say ... Christianity is so often at the 'whip end' of it, these days) that all religions receive 'respect' ... which in Muslim terms means that they insist we forever knuckle under, more and more. But for the sake of keeping PC thinking alive ... it 'has to' happen that way.

Or else.

This is just another reason why the Left always need to be denied power .. because, when they wield it, THEY ACTIVELY FACILITATE ALL THIS.

[Kathianne]

Political correctness is a terrible thing, because from it, comes an imperative as to how people MUST think and feel.

The extreme result in the UK is that no Government ever hoping to be elected now dares to stray outside of it. 'Islam is a religion of peace, and must receive deference to this at all times' ... that attitude is now firmly entrenched into all walks of life, from the uppermost tiers of Governmental policy-making, to chats people might have in pubs. Defy that ... and accusations of 'hatespeech' and racism start flying around ... ultimately actionable in law.

Our law now insists (or so they say ... Christianity is so often at the 'whip end' of it, these days) that all religions receive 'respect' ... which in Muslim terms means that they insist we forever knuckle under, more and more. But for the sake of keeping PC thinking alive ... it 'has to' happen that way.

Or else.

This is just another reason why the Left always need to be denied power .. because, when they wield it, THEY ACTIVELY FACILITATE ALL THIS.

What about if they were to win the democratically held elections?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

What about if they were to win the democratically held elections?

If I may say this.. without trying to divert away from your question any response you may get from my great friend Drummonds.
PURE DEMOCRACY IS MOB RULE, AS YOU KNOW THAT IS WHY WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC, YET EVEN THAT DESIGN HAS FLAWS AS DOES EVERY FORM OF GOVERNMENT EVER KNOWN TO MANKIND.

If any government regardless of how well it once was/served its people- has been over time so corrupted as to no longer serve in a positive(legal way) and way to promote the safety, security and general welfare of its citizens as a whole then, despite any election be it won fairly(by accumulation of corruption etc.) or by outright hook and crook , it becomes the citizens duty to rectify the ill-gained fruits garnered by the new ruling entity.
Revolution then becomes the correct path-just as it was with the birth of the United States of America.
Socialism is a disease, Liberalism is a disease, Islam is a disease--all are based upon evil foundations.
An honorable man, a patriot would and most rightly should stand firmly against ALL three of those regardless of how well their evil is hidden and/or openly praised to gullible and ignorant, liberal public education/mainstream media propagandized citizens,IMHO..
IN MY OPINION BRITAIN WILL SOON BE DESTROYED BY ISLAM AND ITS MURDERING, ENSLAVING EVIL AND WE ARE NEXT ON THEIR LIST AFTER THAT.
My 2 cents worth... my friend....
And 2 cents worth I will defend with my life if need arises. --Tyr

[Kathianne]

If I may say this.. without trying to divert away from your question any response you may get from my great friend Drummonds.
PURE DEMOCRACY IS MOB RULE, AS YOU KNOW THAT IS WHY WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC, YET EVEN THAT DESIGN HAS FLAWS AS DOES EVERY FORM OF GOVERNMENT EVER KNOWN TO MANKIND.

If any government regardless of how well it once was/served its people- has been over time so corrupted as to no longer serve in a positive(legal way) and way to promote the safety, security and general welfare of its citizens as a whole then, despite any election be it won fairly(by accumulation of corruption etc.) or by outright hook and crook , it becomes the citizens duty to rectify the ill-gained fruits garnered by the new ruling entity.
Revolution then becomes the correct path-just as it was with the birth of the United States of America.
Socialism is a disease, Liberalism is a disease, Islam is a disease--all are based upon evil foundations.
An honorable man, a patriot would and most rightly should stand firmly against ALL three of those regardless of how well their evil is hidden and/or openly praised to gullible and ignorant, liberal public education/mainstream media propagandized citizens,IMHO..
IN MY OPINION BRITAIN WILL SOON BE DESTROYED BY ISLAM AND ITS MURDERING, ENSLAVING EVIL AND WE ARE NEXT ON THEIR LIST AFTER THAT.
My 2 cents worth... my friend....
And 2 cents worth I will defend with my life if need arises. --Tyr


So if they win the election, it should be denied because the system is no longer working.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

So if they win the election, it should be denied because the system is no longer working.

Question is- Who is this --"they"- of which you speak?
Should the Nazis once--"THEY"- MANAGED TO TAKE POWER NOT HAVE BEEN BE OPPOSED BECAUSE AFTER THAT START THEY HELD LEGAL ELECTIONS THAT KEPT THEM IN POWER?

IF THE -""THEY""- OF WHICH YOU SPEAK IS ISLAM- YES THEY SHOULD BE OPPOSED REGARDLESS OF HOW THEY GET POWER- AS THEY ARE EVIL INCARNATE MY FRIEND, ÏMHO.

IF THE -""THEY""- OF WHICH YOU SPEAK ARE FREEDOM DESTROYING LEFTISTS- SAME APPLIES, IMHO.

IF THE -""THEY""- OF WHICH YOU SPEAK ARE FREEDOM DESTROYING LIBERALS- SAME APPLIES, IMHO.

IF-- (WHETHER ONE LIKES IT OR NOT)- THOSE KNOWN AS -"THEY", ARE EVIL AND NO LONGER TRULY SUPPORT DECENCY, FREEDOM AND THE STRIVING FOR CIVILIZED WESTERN VALUES BASED UPON FAIRNESS, TRUST AND JUSTICE THEN -- ** THEY** ARE NOT AND CAN NOT REPRESENT 1. A FREE PEOPLE, 2.THEIR FUTURE PROGRESS , 3. THEIR SECURITY AND WELFARE.

THOSE THREE THINGS ALL REPRESENT THE BEST FORM OF GOVERNMENT KNOWN TO MANKIND(IN AS MUCH AS THEY CAN BE ACHIEVED BY MAN)..
If even a majority , by any means are so blinded into voting that away- then that majority and its leaders must be opposed..
My friend that blinding bears fruit now, not just in our nation, but in key European nations, such as Britain and France.
Here it got rolling , and ever increasing since the early 1960's. Spearheaded by the now socialist dem party.

Couch it anyway you like, but it still comes down to defending freedom and decency against evil, IMHO..
None of that means anything to those that refuse, to see/admit, the ever increasing evils of the parties that I named.-TYR

[aboutime]

Wow. :(

Wonder if they would be complaining if someone was reading the Koran (Quran) Blasphemy of the Hateful???

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Wonder if they would be complaining if someone was reading the Koran (Quran) Blasphemy of the Hateful???

No they would not, as it is always Islam that is immune from these freedom denying laws, edicts and/or regulations.
It is Islam these morons, cowards and spineless assholes so fear that they sell the their, grandchildren and great grandchildren into slavery to avoid having to stop them now!
Such truth scare the living hell out of these modern day cowards.
Southern people of my generation were not taught/propagandized to be ffking cowards!
We were taught to fight from the young age of crawling on the floor! If it comes to it in the near future it will likely be us that face the first wave that tries to totally destroy and enslave us, IMHO..
AS NO OTHER SECTION OF THIS NATION WILL RESIST AS WE WOULD.. THAT IS A CERTIFIED FACT MY FRIEND.
WE WERE TAUGHT FIGHTING, GUNS, HUNTING , SURVIVING AND FOREST KNOWLEDGE FROM A VERY AGE..
Tis why lib/dem/leftist assholes hate us so much...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cQNkIrg-Tk


Hank Jr. says it so very well , in his great song, Country Boys Can Survive. - :laugh: :beer: :salute: .-Tyr

[Drummond]

So if they win the election, it should be denied because the system is no longer working.

I have the same question ... who is the 'they' you have in mind ?

I'm going to assume you mean Muslims.

Well .. one has already been elected as London mayor. We've seen where that's led. Chronic disrespect for your President (surprise, surprise). Chronic escalation in - especially - knife crime. He's doing a lousy job of representing and protecting people.

Muslim elections WILL be supported, WILL be recognised, wherever the candidate wins them.

Kathianne, what you're forgetting is that those who vote will do so, partly from their own consciences, but also as a result of whatever pressures society places upon them. 'PC' thinking is prevalent. What makes you think it's not going to skew election results in a particular direction ?

To what extent are peoples' views, actually their own ?

Think about it.

[Kathianne]

I have the same question ... who is the 'they' you have in mind ?

I'm going to assume you mean Muslims.

Well .. one has already been elected as London mayor. We've seen where that's led. Chronic disrespect for your President (surprise, surprise). Chronic escalation in - especially - knife crime. He's doing a lousy job of representing and protecting people.

Muslim elections WILL be supported, WILL be recognised, wherever the candidate wins them.

Kathianne, what you're forgetting is that those who vote will do so, partly from their own consciences, but also as a result of whatever pressures society places upon them. 'PC' thinking is prevalent. What makes you think it's not going to skew election results in a particular direction ?

To what extent are peoples' views, actually their own ?

Think about it.


I'm just wondering how some think it should go, election or not. If their guy wins, they are appalled at the disrespect shown. If the other side wins, they are name calling, putting up disgusting memes and images, yelling 'treason.'

So should the other side just be destroyed? I mean obviously if they are treasonous, they are not for the country, right?

Hmm, not saying 'right or left,' just the other side and the intolerance of each.

[aboutime]

I have the same question ... who is the 'they' you have in mind ?

I'm going to assume you mean Muslims.

Well .. one has already been elected as London mayor. We've seen where that's led. Chronic disrespect for your President (surprise, surprise). Chronic escalation in - especially - knife crime. He's doing a lousy job of representing and protecting people.

Muslim elections WILL be supported, WILL be recognised, wherever the candidate wins them.

Kathianne, what you're forgetting is that those who vote will do so, partly from their own consciences, but also as a result of whatever pressures society places upon them. 'PC' thinking is prevalent. What makes you think it's not going to skew election results in a particular direction ?

To what extent are peoples' views, actually their own ?

Think about it.

We, here in America call them (THEY)...Sheeples! Both Easily-Led, and Easily Controlled by Government that offers them the BEST FREE STUFF!
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/95/c8/9b/95c89b4f943e69cabf5774e83c09d5bb--sheep-dogs-a-sheep.jpg

[Drummond]

I'm just wondering how some think it should go, election or not. If their guy wins, they are appalled at the disrespect shown. If the other side wins, they are name calling, putting up disgusting memes and images, yelling 'treason.'

So should the other side just be destroyed? I mean obviously if they are treasonous, they are not for the country, right?

Hmm, not saying 'right or left,' just the other side and the intolerance of each.

You're coming at this from an assumption there's equivalence in play. That candidates from all sides are 'equal'. That condemnatory opposition has equal worth, neither more correct or deserving of expression than the other.

Why ?

One side wants to uphold American values. Another wants to undermine them. Where is the 'equivalent' justice in each position, that each is as deserving as the other of censure ?

If one is MORE deserving ... then, if we see that, the condemnation is MORE deserving.

[Kathianne]

You're coming at this from an assumption there's equivalence in play. That candidates from all sides are 'equal'. That condemnatory opposition has equal worth, neither more correct or deserving of expression than the other.

Why ?

One side wants to uphold American values. Another wants to undermine them. Where is the 'equivalent' justice in each position, that each is as deserving as the other of censure ?

If one is MORE deserving ... then, if we see that, the condemnation is MORE deserving.

No, not making any claim of equivalency. It's moreso about the supporters than of what is done. Obviously both sides currently are unable to avoid seating the winners, both sides though desperately want to prevent such and think that it's the moral thing to do.

[Drummond]

No, not making any claim of equivalency. It's moreso about the supporters than of what is done. Obviously both sides currently are unable to avoid seating the winners, both sides though desperately want to prevent such and think that it's the moral thing to do.

If you're not making a claim of equivalency, then you must surely accept that one side can have far more justice behind what they say or do, which makes it all far more defendable than that of the opinions and actions of the opposition. In which case .. I fail to see where you're going with this.

[aboutime]

No, not making any claim of equivalency. It's moreso about the supporters than of what is done. Obviously both sides currently are unable to avoid seating the winners, both sides though desperately want to prevent such and think that it's the moral thing to do.


What, exactly, has morality got to do with whether someone is able to read..ANY BOOK, paper, document, sign...in front of an obviously TROUBLED church?

[Elessar]

Has the world just turned upside down?

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FAMOUS CHURCH FORBIDS BIBLE READING ON PREMISES

Two separate incidents in which London police arrested a man reading the Bible outside the city’s iconic St. Paul’s Cathedral illustrate an erosion of religious freedom in the U.K., a Christian legal advocacy group contends.

Freedom to read the Bible in public was one of the first aspects of freedom of religion to be legally established in England, notes the Barnabas Fund.

A video shows police justifying their actions by stating that the cathedral staff asked them to remove anyone reading from the Bible in the public precinct in front of St Paul’s cathedral, which is owned by the church.

http://www.wnd.com/2018/07/famous-cathedral-forbids-bible-reading-on-premises/

What?

I am not a pious person, but have 8 bibles...2 are mine and 6 are family Bibles.

Some one tells me I cannot sit in front of a church such as that, such a hallowed place,
is going to get a New Balance Hiker in the frikkin teeth.

[Kathianne]

If you're not making a claim of equivalency, then you must surely accept that one side can have far more justice behind what they say or do, which makes it all far more defendable than that of the opinions and actions of the opposition. In which case .. I fail to see where you're going with this.

Trying to follow the logic, is this right?

Our side is more just, more patriotic, thus our arguments on the treacherous behaviors of the left are more substantial and should be considered fairly. The other side though, has attempted to demean the office of the Presidency in general, President Trump in particular on the sole basis of their hatred for him. It been one unprecedented attack after another with no safe harbor. The vile attacks are coming from the left, where treasonous acts are happening on a near daily basis, all to undermine the President and establish a firm control by the socialists.

[Russ]

A video shows police justifying their actions by stating that the cathedral staff asked them to remove anyone reading from the Bible in the public precinct in front of St Paul’s cathedral, which is owned by the church.

http://www.wnd.com/2018/07/famous-cathedral-forbids-bible-reading-on-premises/


Wow, this church should close its doors, and all the clergy inside that participated in this should leave and go start new jobs as used car salesmen. Clearly, they are more interested in politics that Christianity, so they are wasting their time in the church.

[Drummond]

Trying to follow the logic, is this right?

Our side is more just, more patriotic, thus our arguments on the treacherous behaviors of the left are more substantial and should be considered fairly. The other side though, has attempted to demean the office of the Presidency in general, President Trump in particular on the sole basis of their hatred for him. It been one unprecedented attack after another with no safe harbor. The vile attacks are coming from the left, where treasonous acts are happening on a near daily basis, all to undermine the President and establish a firm control by the socialists.

Accepted ..

... and yes, I'm sure this is accurate.

Since it is, then President Trump's detractors deserve all that's coming to them. Such as, being shown up for what they are. Such as, paying a suitably heavy price for their thoroughly destructive ways.

Their being totally discredited as any credible opposition 'fit for Government' would be a good outcome. I say ... let President Trump continue his work unhindered. Hopefully for a 2nd term, too, of course ... and let his achievements at the end, do all the talking.

[Gunny]

“So in the Libyan fable it is told
That once an eagle, stricken with a dart,
Said, when he saw the fashion of the shaft,
With our own feathers, not by others' hands,
Are we now smitten. (https://izquotes.com/quote/205854)”
―Aeschylus (https://izquotes.com/author/aeschylus)

I think when our own laws are used by our enemies to destroy us, it's time to call "bullshit". To repspond to Kath: time to change the law(s). When you see the train coming down the tracks, you get off the tracks or switch the train to another track. You don't just stand there and watch a train run over you.

I agree with tyr in that Islam as it is practiced and spread from the ME is out to do one thing: destroy us. There is no debating with rattlesnakes. You kill them.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

“So in the Libyan fable it is told
That once an eagle, stricken with a dart,
Said, when he saw the fashion of the shaft,
With our own feathers, not by others' hands,
Are we now smitten. (https://izquotes.com/quote/205854)”
―Aeschylus (https://izquotes.com/author/aeschylus)

I think when our own laws are used by our enemies to destroy us, it's time to call "bullshit". To repspond to Kath: time to change the law(s). When you see the train coming down the tracks, you get off the tracks or switch the train to another track. You don't just stand there and watch a train run over you.

I agree with tyr in that Islam as it is practiced and spread from the ME is out to do one thing: destroy us. There is no debating with rattlesnakes. You kill them.

I see that the warrior in you speaks its wisdom my friend. The liberals and cowards now teach that standing brave and strong ,(with the knowledge , heart, bravery and valor to not only fight but know when a fight must be engaged in early to limit the higher number casualties so oft delivered if hesitation favors the enemy) is wrong!
And we that understand know that time certainly favors Islam as they very well know and actively engage in gaining time to strengthened their foundation for victory.
The victory that their Allah demands. Death or Enslavement of --ALL- infidels! Of all non-believers!
This reality of this murder commanded cult is being denied, even when its Koran repeatedly shows that such is the goal, the unbreakable demand from their Allah..
If they ever get nukes and the numbers and territorial regions that they want---they plan on starting WW3 and plan on winning it.
Any in-depth Goggle search on their cult and its stated goals clearly show this truth- this reality- as both you and I know very well my friend.
Trouble is- our government, dem party and mainstream media--ALL- do their best to keep the citizens from ever seeing this horrific truth, to keep the public in sympathy with this barbaric, stone-age, murdering cult that the world has been convinced is a great and peaceful religion!!...

Islam in its 1400+ year history has murdered over 250 million innocent people and that is the lowest estimate, not the highest.. -Tyr

[darin]

Love is more important than the bible.

[Gunny]

Love is more important than the bible.The people who don't want to understand that are not going to. "Love" does not stop bullets. Rather, it is exploited as a weakness by those who have a different agenda.

Exploited in the same manner our laws are by our enemies. They use our laws and beliefs to tear them down, and we stand idly by and watch. At the rate it's going, it'll be too late when even the stupid figure out there's a problem. How long did European Jews sit around and watch Hitler at work, and where did that get them? Treblinka, Dachau, Sobibor, ...