Oh no, Trump walked in front of the Queen!

[jimnyc]

Just yesterday all the media was talking about greeting and how the president should do so, that a cursty of course not necessary and it should be a polite shaking of hands. Trump does just that, and everyone loses their minds. Trump dared to walk in front of the Queen, more lunch lost.

Look, I have an IMMENSE amount of respect for the Queen and the entire royal family. I've always admired from afar. But an American president shouldn't be bowing or curtsy, just as they shouldn't be bowing to leaders of other countries.

And the 1st time meeting, sometimes mistakes as such may happen. Trump nor his wife most certainly were NOT rude or any of the other crap that some on the left are now crying about, as they look daily for new things to cry about. Perhaps tough on deals with May and what not, but as "leaders" and meeting the Queen, I see no issues. And others, because she is an "old lady". THAT is more rude, if you ask me. And now "misogynistic" as well, because some nitwits claim he was rude on purpose because she was an older woman.

Just another day of crying and whining in the liberal TDS world.

[jimnyc]

Here is how Trump actually greet the Queen, and I see no issue with this, and it's actually what is called for. But of course this is Trump, so some reason must be found to condemn. :rolleyes:

https://i.imgur.com/2aYysZp.jpg


With other things aside, cool to see him sitting in Churchill's chair. :)

https://i.imgur.com/ZqmQZTt.png
https://i.imgur.com/NcOMUq1.png

[Elessar]

I really have no problem with any POTUS favoring a respectful slight bow of the head
to a foreign head of state, whether that one is symbolic (as the Queen) or otherwise.

It is the full mid-section prostration - a la Obama - that grinds my teeth....prostrating
to a leader as if an underling, thus embarrassing a whole nation.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

An American president should bow to NO ONE... EVER.

I'm sure they told the president what would be proper, and he did so.

This fake outrage from the unhinged left is old. It's been beyond the point of absurd for a long time now. I listen to exactly NONE of it.

[aboutime]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQJ8WrKnLUs

[Drummond]

I really have no problem with any POTUS favoring a respectful slight bow of the head
to a foreign head of state, whether that one is symbolic (as the Queen) or otherwise.

It is the full mid-section prostration - a la Obama - that grinds my teeth....prostrating
to a leader as if an underling, thus embarrassing a whole nation.

I recall Obama's cringeworthy deferential bowing to the Saudis all those years ago. It looked ridiculous, and it was my impression at the time that it went way beyond any demand from protocol. I wondered then whether Obama was on a mission to diminish America's international status.

This latest issue about Trump's conduct, though, hasn't gone down very well in the UK (sure enough, the Left is carping for all it's worth). Leftie media are outraged. Even more Right wing ones, though, are critical of him.

An example:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/988504/Queen-Donald-Trump-UK-visit-video-royal-protocol-Windsor-Castle-royal-news-protest


THE QUEEN was blocked out by the US President as Donald Trump walked in front of guards following their greeting at Windsor Castle.

The Queen shook hands with the US President as she met him at Windsor Castle before greeted First Lady Melania.

Donald Trump was being led by the Queen in front of troops, just after their first meeting.

President Trump and the First Lady Melania did not bow or curtsy upon first greeting the Queen instead opting for a handshake.

The US President appeared to walk ahead leaving the Queen to step behind Mr Trump.

After being blocked out behind the US President, the Queen then went back to the right-hand side of the US President.

Before the Queen caught up with him, Donald Trump looked side to side to see where she was.

The US President then waited for the Queen before the pair continued on their journey.

It is considered rude to turn your back on Her Majesty when meeting the Queen.

However, it is unclear whether Mr Trump was told to walk ahead before the Queen caught up with him during his visit.

Royal correspondent, Richard Fitzwilliams, told Express.co.uk: “It was inappropriate behaviour”.

All of this might seem petty ... but, it's a gift to Trump's detractors over here. It'd be interpreted as a display of uncivil arrogance, running counter to diplomatic expectations.[/quote]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=11563&stc=1


The Daily Express is one of our more Right wing newspapers. By contrast ... this is what a Left wing tabloid made of Trump's 'latest' ...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/donald-trump-sparks-fury-posing-12914158


Donald Trump sparks fury posing arrogantly in an armchair used by heroic wartime leader Winston Churchill.

Critics slammed Trump for a string of diplomatic blunders and said he wasn’t fit to sit there.

The US president belittled our NHS and PM and undermined the special relationship.

Labour’s Stephen Doughty said: “An image of Donald Trump sitting in Churchill’s seat will stick in the throats of many Brits who would consider Trump not only to be one of the worst presidents in US history but also not even worthy of a comparison with our wartime leader who rescued our nation in its darkest hour.”

Labour’s Ruth Smeeth added: “Churchill embodied the best of British spirit when we were fighting and defeating racists and fascists during World War Two.

“Given Trump’s appalling actions and rhetoric, he doesn’t even deserve to look at a statue of Churchill let alone sit in his seat.”

Lovely stuff, eh ? Our Lefties have been lining up to pour vitriol in Trump's direction. Proof that he must be doing something RIGHT, eh, folks ?

For my money, Trump's sitting in Churchill's chair was fitting. Both leaders were (are) strong, staunch patriots. Both are known for no-nonsense, uncompromising opposition to their country's enemies and detractors. Both were (are) mavericks in their way, putting principle before populism.

And, of course, both hail from the CONSERVATIVE side of the political spectrum (... which figures, of course !! ...).

[Elessar]

As bombastic as Trump the person is,
I seriously doubt there was any intended
disrespect for the Queen.

liberals whining and finding fault at even a fart in public,
as usual!

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I honestly DON'T CARE. The QUEEN never WORKED a DAY IN HER LIFE. I have no love or respect for people BORN in... ROYALTY?

We don't do ROYALTY by BIRTH here in America. You EARN your way to the top. I find all this KING and QUEEN stuff to be TEDIOUS. It's straight out of the 1300's.

Again, no offense intended AT ALL to you, Drummond, I guess it's just that as an American, I don't get that SUPER RICH ROYALTY stuff simply because you were BORN. Screw that.

President Trump is a billionaire because he EARNED it. He's the president of the most powerful nation on earth because he EARNED it. Far as I'm concerned, the QUEEN owes HIM respect.

[Drummond]

I honestly DON'T CARE. The QUEEN never WORKED a DAY IN HER LIFE. I have no love or respect for people BORN in... ROYALTY?

We don't do ROYALTY by BIRTH here in America. You EARN you way to the top. I find all this KING and QUEEN stuff to be TEDIOUS. It's straight out of the 1300's.

Again, no offense intended AT ALL to you, Drummond, I guess it's just that as an American, I don't get that SUPER RICH ROYALTY stuff simply because you were BORN. Screw that.

President Trump is a billionaire because he EARNED it. He's the president of the most powerful nation on earth because he EARNED it. Far as I'm concerned, the QUEEN owes HIM respect.

I see what you're saying.

This comes down to a difference of perception between two different cultures. Mine is - in certain ways - fundamentally different from yours.

I suppose the point (from the point of view of those from my homeland) is that, these days, the Royal Family embodies something of a historical and cultural symbol of what we represent. That and a certain affection many of us feel for our figureheads, such as the Queen. She is genuinely liked by most of us.

Few of us - except, maybe, the most rabidly anti-Monarchist of us - want to see her, or her family, not receive respect. The Queen represents us in a similar (if also unelected, true ...) 'Head of State' fashion as the highest ranking authority would for your own country. Neither should earn, therefore have, deliberate disrespect. It has deeper meaning for us all.

[Kathianne]

I'll give anyone the benefit of the doubt, even Trump. I don't think he should have bowed, the handshake was fine. Same deal with the curtsy.

What I find weird was his walking ahead of her, I wouldn't do that to anyone older, male or female, royalty or not. Even worse if you're a guest. At the same time, these types of deals are usually choreographed down to the most detailed parts. So I wonder, how did THAT happen?

[Drummond]

I'll give anyone the benefit of the doubt, even Trump. I don't think he should have bowed, the handshake was fine. Same deal with the curtsy.

What I find weird was his walking ahead of her, I wouldn't do that to anyone older, male or female, royalty or not. Even worse if you're a guest. At the same time, these types of deals are usually choreographed down to the most detailed parts. So I wonder, how did THAT happen?

Unfortunately, the very reasoning you've offered will be see as evidence of Trump's arrogance, which in turn will be played by the Left for all they're worth. It's a fact that even our own PM curtsies (albeit a little awkwardly) to the Queen as a matter of course, whenever they meet in any public setting ... which would compound the perception of arrogance in seeing Trump, a representative of a foreign power, 'disdain' any deferential gesture of any approximate equivalence.

Still, the Left will claim arrogance on Trump's part, regardless. I just think it's a pity that they keep getting that ammunition to use against him.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I just think it's a pity that they keep getting that ammunition to use against him.
It really doesn't matter one way or another. If the rabid left doesn't have anything to bitch about against him, they just make something up.

[Drummond]

This, from another leading RIGHT wing UK newspaper. I hate that these papers are doing the Left's job for them ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5952363/Which-Royal-rule-did-Donald-Trump-break-met-Queen-UK-visit.html


U.S. President Donald Trump committed a huge gaffe while meeting with Queen Elizabeth II during his visit to the United Kingdom.

Amid massive protests that drew tens of thousands of demonstrators, Trump met with the Queen at Windsor Castle just outside of London on Friday, July 13.

While reviewing the Queen’s Guard however, Trump committed a critical faux pas.

The meeting between the U.S. President and First Lady Melania Trump with the Queen went cordially at first, with the 92-year-old monarch welcoming the president and his wife with handshakes and a smile as the Queen’s Guards marched and played the U.S. national anthem.

However, as the president and the Queen reviewed the Queen’s Guard before strolling around and entering the historic fortress, Trump walked directly in front of the Queen, inadvertently blocking her for a moment.

It is also considered very rude to turn ones back on the Queen when meeting with her.

The gaffe broke Royal protocol, which calls for the Queen herself to always lead the way. First Lady Melania Trump also reportedly broke another Royal rule herself after failing to curtsy when greeting Queen Elizabeth II.

Twitter users were quick to criticize the President on the social media platform, with some users blasting him as ‘ill mannered’ and ignorant’.

PR consultant and commentator Richard Fitzwilliams said that the President had broken Royal protocol and came off as impolite during his first visit with the Queen in the UK, stating: ‘It was inappropriate behavior’.

As for the protest marches the UK has seen ... these were, of course, very largely orchestrated by the Left ... and, well attended by leading Left-wing figures here ... including Jeremy Corbyn, Labour Party leader. See this ....

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=11568&stc=1

[Drummond]

It's really doesn't matter one way or another. If the rabid left doesn't have anything to bitch about against him, they just make something up.

Yes ... never a truer word spoken ....

[Abbey Marie]

I'll give anyone the benefit of the doubt, even Trump. I don't think he should have bowed, the handshake was fine. Same deal with the curtsy.

What I find weird was his walking ahead of her, I wouldn't do that to anyone older, male or female, royalty or not. Even worse if you're a guest. At the same time, these types of deals are usually choreographed down to the most detailed parts. So I wonder, how did THAT happen?

Unless it was just some odd camera angle, I agree, Kath. And he had to have been told how to behave around her.

[jimnyc]

Unless it was just some odd camera angle, I agree, Kath. And he had to have been told how to behave around her.

Or, in a "lazily" manner, perhaps he strolled slowly along and simply didn't realize he walked further ahead? I dunno. But not being aware of where he walked.... who cares? I saw it and saw no attempt of disrespect whatsoever. Perhaps he could have ignored everything around him, and zoned in solely on the queen, but he would have inevitably done some other protocol wrong for folks to complain about. Outside of accidentally walking in front of her, he was a complete gentleman from everything I've seen and read between the two. It's not like muslims who we never hear rumblings about, who have their women walk behind them on a daily basis as a part of life. :(

As in his USA presidency and himself of course, he shows that he's not perfect and certainly not up to par on "protocol" of any kind, showing the amateur side of himself.

And as for sitting in Churchill's chair, man, I would have done the same thing for a photo op if I had the chance!!! I know he's a fan of Churchill as well. But of course if folks don't like the man to begin with, then it's just ammunition. They first look at EVERYTHING and wonder how it can be spinned as ammo against him. And if not? Then in the 86 bin it does out of fear it may make him look positive in some manner!

[Kathianne]

Unless it was just some odd camera angle, I agree, Kath. And he had to have been told how to behave around her.

Yep, that's what's strange to me. Now grant you, Trump seems to relish ignoring anyone telling him what to do, which may include some protocol director? However, for all the 'bull in a China shop' behavior, he like nearly all Presidents was born into the elite. He came from privilege and with that, no matter how 'apart' from the 'old money' they may have been, there are behaviors expected and taught. He went to a military academy for instance, certain correct behaviors were taught there or demerits would be onerous.

[jimnyc]

Not sure if posted elsewhere already. But anyhoo, as expected, some expected him to bow to the Queen. And I'm glad he didn't. I LOVE the Queen, and even always capitalize her title out of respect.

They DO live out on old traditions. Yes, they are very rich and likely live on a better set of rules and standards than the rest of us. But it's not easy living the royal life all the time either. They live under an umbrella, with a set of rules and protocols that they honor and live under. I personally wouldn't want to marry into such a family, as I know it's difficult. I don't mean that as insulting at all either. I admire all of them, and how they are so upstanding and what they stand for and all of the other efforts they make.

With all of that said - an American president should not be bowing - whether that be to the Queen, or whether that's a leader in royalty in the middle east or similar. There is NO ONE that the president should be bowing to. And I sure as F don't expect any other leader in the world to bow or present themselves in a lesser manner in any way. RESPECT is key.

Live a respectful life. At least that's what I try to do when I go out in public. Hold doors, say please and thank you. Always be polite and with a smile when I can. I'm gonna make mistakes. For example, small things like "Merry Christmas" to a muslim folk I know, or forgetting when they are in the midst of Ramadan. Or during Hanukkah or anything similar. But if someone is always truly respectful, it'll be shown and known to all.

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[Abbey Marie]

I neither want nor expect him to bow. That would seem weak to me.

But I don’t think he should walk in front of her.

[jimnyc]

I neither want nor expect him to bow. I just don’t think he should walk in front of her.

With what they call the "pomp and circumstance" and the band playing.... and walking ahead accidentally is easily seen. He should have been more aware of what was around him though. They probably even had the spots marked, and you go here, then there, just as they do on major events here. He failed to fully engage and aware that she was lagging back or whatever? Still rude in the aspect that he should have been more aware of his surroundings, especially when you know the entire world is watching. But in the respect department, that's where I ask myself if it were done on purpose, was he trying to be disrespectful? And there I just don't think so. So he fails on precedent, but I don't think he set out to disrespect the Queen.

I don't think Trump is too good in any protocol department, except maybe for entering a board room perhaps. Maybe he'll get better in a few years. I don't want to see him turn fully "presidential", in the aspect that we see less shared information, or a more PC version. But perhaps one that is aware on the national stage, and doesn't give the left any ammunition to run on.

IF the Queen were to make a statement that this irritated her or she felt disrespected, I think this would be one of the rare moments that Trump should apologize. But I don't think even the Queen made a big deal of it. I think she was aware that she was holding up traffic!!

I would love to meet her myself, that would be cool. 66 years at the helm of royalty. And for every last minute of that time this woman has held herself up with grace and dignity. So many presidents have made visits to the Queen over the years! I don't know enough of the royal family, I actually had to lookup how many years she has been Queen. But I have to wonder if others have ever been King/Queen longer?

[Abbey Marie]

With what they call the "pomp and circumstance" and the band playing.... and walking ahead accidentally is easily seen. He should have been more aware of what was around him though. They probably even had the spots marked, and you go here, then there, just as they do on major events here. He failed to fully engage and aware that she was lagging back or whatever? Still rude in the aspect that he should have been more aware of his surroundings, especially when you know the entire world is watching. But in the respect department, that's where I ask myself if it were done on purpose, was he trying to be disrespectful? And there I just don't think so. So he fails on precedent, but I don't think he set out to disrespect the Queen.

I don't think Trump is too good in any protocol department, except maybe for entering a board room perhaps. Maybe he'll get better in a few years. I don't want to see him turn fully "presidential", in the aspect that we see less shared information, or a more PC version. But perhaps one that is aware on the national stage, and doesn't give the left any ammunition to run on.

IF the Queen were to make a statement that this irritated her or she felt disrespected, I think this would be one of the rare moments that Trump should apologize. But I don't think even the Queen made a big deal of it. I think she was aware that she was holding up traffic!!

I would love to meet her myself, that would be cool. 66 years at the helm of royalty. And for every last minute of that time this woman has held herself up with grace and dignity. So many presidents have made visits to the Queen over the years! I don't know enough of the royal family, I actually had to lookup how many years she has been Queen. But I have to wonder if others have ever been King/Queen longer?

I believe she recently passed Victoria, who had reigned longest...

[aboutime]

No big deal, other than somebody, or everybody has to find some fault with Trump. EVEN...when he does nothing wrong. I watched as the Queen greeted Trump, and First Lady. In fact, I thought I saw the QUEEN...motion to Trump to GO ahead of her at one point.

Everything has become a major 'playground' of whiners, crybabies, idiots, and Children.

I thank GOD, my days are numbered among all of the STUPIDITY.

Learn to smile, mind your own business, and if you can't do that...Just SHUT UP!:laugh::laugh:

[Drummond]

No big deal, other than somebody, or everybody has to find some fault with Trump. EVEN...when he does nothing wrong. I watched as the Queen greeted Trump, and First Lady. In fact, I thought I saw the QUEEN...motion to Trump to GO ahead of her at one point.

Everything has become a major 'playground' of whiners, crybabies, idiots, and Children.

I thank GOD, my days are numbered among all of the STUPIDITY.

Learn to smile, mind your own business, and if you can't do that...Just SHUT UP!:laugh::laugh:

There is a very basic rank hypocrisy behind the UK Left's actions and motivations.

On the one hand .. being Socialist, it should be natural for them to spawn adherents to an anti-Monarchist mindset. Corbyn (Labour leader) is certainly no fan of our Royal Family. So, you'd expect them to see perceived 'slights' against our Queen as no big deal, nothing to be bothered about.

Ah, but .. au contraire. TRUMP was involved; so, suddenly, they're outraged.

Amazing, that !

To be fair ... they were more aggravated about Trump sitting in Winston Churchill's chair. 'How dare Trump think he has the right to, as Churchill was such a great Leader, deserving reverence ...'.

More hypocrisy, though. Churchill was never a Socialist ... he was a CONSERVATIVE ...

The UK's Left has zero reputability. It is because that's true, that they feel empowered to do their pernicious carping.

And, unfortunately, Trump's visit was one they were never going to be silent for. No chance at all existed of THAT.

[aboutime]

There is a very basic rank hypocrisy behind the UK Left's actions and motivations.

On the one hand .. being Socialist, it should be natural for them to spawn adherents to an anti-Monarchist mindset. Corbyn (Labour leader) is certainly no fan of our Royal Family. So, you'd expect them to see perceived 'slights' against our Queen as no big deal, nothing to be bothered about.

Ah, but .. au contraire. TRUMP was involved; so, suddenly, they're outraged.

Amazing, that !

To be fair ... they were more aggravated about Trump sitting in Winston Churchill's chair. 'How dare Trump think he has the right to, as Churchill was such a great Leader, deserving reverence ...'.

More hypocrisy, though. Churchill was never a Socialist ... he was a CONSERVATIVE ...

The UK's Left has zero reputability. It is because that's true, that they feel empowered to do their pernicious carping.

And, unfortunately, Trump's visit was one they were never going to be silent for. No chance at all existed of THAT.


The Ignorant snowflakes complaining about a President of the United States sitting in the Churchill chair is almost comical. They are proving they are simply so dumb, and offended at everything; of course....KNOWING our President is Smarter, Wiser, and a Gentleman than most of the whiners. Are they also STUPID enough to believe the President didn't get permission from the Queen to SIT THERE????
Naturally. Common sense, and courtesy isn't in their lexicon, as they are programmed to use only FOUR LETTER swear words to expose their intelligence.:laugh::laugh::laugh: