Kneeling for systemic oppression of Men.

[darin]

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/06/11/dukes-hazzard-star-john-schneider-reportedly-facing-jail-time.html

In the us, there is no debters prison. Unless you're a man and you owe spousal extortion.


Former “Dukes of Hazzard” and “Smallville” star John Schneider is facing some jail time over unpaid spousal support.
According to TMZ (http://www.tmz.com/2018/06/11/john-schneider-sentenced-jail-time-delinquent-spousal-support/), Schneider has been ordered by a judge to serve some light jail time for at least a few days after not paying his estranged wife, Elvira Castle. The outlet reports he’ll spend three days in Los Angeles County jail for not paying up for delinquent alimony that he owed.
As previously reported (http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/02/01/dukes-hazzards-john-schneider-facing-jail-time-over-unpaid-spousal-support-report-says.html), Schneider was taken to court over the spousal support in February of 2018. At the time, he claimed that he was unable to pay because his income isn’t sufficient to make the payments. He claimed that he has hit hard financial times and spent most of his money repairing his movie studio in Louisiana after it was destroyed in a March 2016 flood.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/06/11/dukes-hazzard-star-john-schneider-reportedly-facing-jail-time.html

In the us, there is no debters prison. Unless you're a man and you owe spousal extortion.


Former “Dukes of Hazzard” and “Smallville” star John Schneider is facing some jail time over unpaid spousal support.
According to TMZ (http://www.tmz.com/2018/06/11/john-schneider-sentenced-jail-time-delinquent-spousal-support/), Schneider has been ordered by a judge to serve some light jail time for at least a few days after not paying his estranged wife, Elvira Castle. The outlet reports he’ll spend three days in Los Angeles County jail for not paying up for delinquent alimony that he owed.
As previously reported (http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/02/01/dukes-hazzards-john-schneider-facing-jail-time-over-unpaid-spousal-support-report-says.html), Schneider was taken to court over the spousal support in February of 2018. At the time, he claimed that he was unable to pay because his income isn’t sufficient to make the payments. He claimed that he has hit hard financial times and spent most of his money repairing his movie studio in Louisiana after it was destroyed in a March 2016 flood.

True, the courts are very tough on the men that fall into hard financial times. Always seem very reluctant to lower the original child support payment amount, even when the man paying income has drastically fallen .
Add that to the fact that a woman can lie and cry abuse and the cop showing up to the scene will automatically take her word for it and arrest the man tho' he is innocent.
Sad but true, law enforcement and the court both place the female's words above that of the man, as if the man is always guilty.
And some judges are hardcore in favor of aiding/supporting the woman regardless of her being the true guilty party.
I have seen it with my own eyes, several times in regards to my older brother and his now ex-wife. She lied like a damn rug after attacking him and getting him arrested. She once attacked him and hit him in the head with a coke bottle, called the cops and they arrested him instead of her!
She lied and he was the one bleeding but they took him to jail.
Damn old judge when it went to court , gave him a lecture and warned him about being violent to women!!
As if women are absolutely incapable of ever being violent towards men!--Tyr

[Gunny]

True, the courts are very tough on the men that fall into hard financial times. Always seem very reluctant to lower the original child support payment amount, even when the man paying income has drastically fallen .
Add that to the fact that a woman can lie and cry abuse and the cop showing up to the scene will automatically take her word for it and arrest the man tho' he is innocent.
Sad but true, law enforcement and the court both place the female's words above that of the man, as if the man is always guilty.
And some judges are hardcore in favor of aiding/supporting the woman regardless of her being the true guilty party.
I have seen it with my own eyes, several times in regards to my older brother and his now ex-wife. She lied like a damn rug after attacking him and getting him arrested. She once attacked him and hit him in the head with a coke bottle, called the cops and they arrested him instead of her!
She lied and he was the one bleeding but they took him to jail.
Damn old judge when it went to court , gave him a lecture and warned him about being violent to women!!
As if women are absolutely incapable of ever being violent towards men!--Tyr

They're REAL quick to to raise the amount if the guy hits paydirt though. Even if the ex had ZERO to do with the success.

[gabosaurus]

Bull bleeping bleep. :lame2:
Some of you guys are starting to sound like tailfins. Oppressed and trodden on by your dictatorial former spouses. The violins get so loud at times that we can hardly hear. :rolleyes:
Sorry guys, but when you get married and have kids, you have entered into an financial agreement that you can not back away from. It doesn't matter how long you were married, how long you have been apart, how much you earned then or how much you earn now. You owe your share to your family, because they are still there.
For every responsible former spouse, there are deadbeat dads who try to game the system. This is what prejudices the courts to make settlements.
Keep in mind that the mothers are normally entrusted with the kids. Being a single mom is a lot different than being a freewheeling carousing former dad.
You owe what you owe. It's incentive to try to make your relationship work.
You guys should have paid more attention to your marriage vows. To death do you part. Otherwise, you part with a lot. :dev3:

[Gunny]

Bull bleeping bleep. :lame2:
Some of you guys are starting to sound like tailfins. Oppressed and trodden on by your dictatorial former spouses. The violins get so loud at times that we can hardly hear. :rolleyes:
Sorry guys, but when you get married and have kids, you have entered into an financial agreement that you can not back away from. It doesn't matter how long you were married, how long you have been apart, how much you earned then or how much you earn now. You owe your share to your family, because they are still there.
For every responsible former spouse, there are deadbeat dads who try to game the system. This is what prejudices the courts to make settlements.
Keep in mind that the mothers are normally entrusted with the kids. Being a single mom is a lot different than being a freewheeling carousing former dad.
You owe what you owe. It's incentive to try to make your relationship work.
You guys should have paid more attention to your marriage vows. To death do you part. Otherwise, you part with a lot. :dev3:And for every deadbeat dad trying to game the system, there's a sociopathic, opportunistic woman doing the same.

Try again. Victim.

[Gunny]

Oh. I believe the OP is about spousal support. Not child support. There's a BIG difference.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Bull bleeping bleep. :lame2:
Some of you guys are starting to sound like tailfins. Oppressed and trodden on by your dictatorial former spouses. The violins get so loud at times that we can hardly hear. :rolleyes:
Sorry guys, but when you get married and have kids, you have entered into an financial agreement that you can not back away from. It doesn't matter how long you were married, how long you have been apart, how much you earned then or how much you earn now. You owe your share to your family, because they are still there.
For every responsible former spouse, there are deadbeat dads who try to game the system. This is what prejudices the courts to make settlements.
Keep in mind that the mothers are normally entrusted with the kids. Being a single mom is a lot different than being a freewheeling carousing former dad.
You owe what you owe. It's incentive to try to make your relationship work.
You guys should have paid more attention to your marriage vows. To death do you part. Otherwise, you part with a lot. :dev3:

My post first dealt with the cops and the courts being prejudice in favor of women(especially in cases were they claim violence was used to harm them).
My comments on courts/ judges/child support were not about me, my divorce, as I got custody of my daughter and I got paid child support by my (soon to be) ex-wife- which by the way, I never sought any increase from her.
Marriage vows eh??
So the guy is always the guilty one yet again, eh?
Wives simply never cheat huh, ?
Some guys when they find out the wife is unfaithful refuse to stay with her- or is that to be condemned too?
When husbands are the cheater, the going flavor/advice given to the wife is -- "" hun, just divorce the cheating bastard.""
Sorry Gabs, but your comment and accusation illustrates the mindset and bias that I spoke about, IMHO..-TYR

[darin]

Oh. I believe the OP is about spousal support. Not child support. There's a BIG difference.


Child support will never be fair until the recipient has to account for (even HALF of) the dollars she receives.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

There should not even be such a thing as "spousal support." You get divorced, fine, move on with your life and support your own damn self. Your privileges as a spouse are over.

[Gunny]

Child support will never be fair until the recipient has to account for (even HALF of) the dollars she receives.I have ZERO problem with that. Had a GF once thought she hit jackpot with child support and treated it like it was hers. She DID care for the children, but her ability to spend on herself went WAY up. Gave her a REALLY big head as well.

I don't know if it's a difference in individual State law, or just the times, but I was under the impression the person receiving support DID have to account for expenditures.

[Elessar]

Bull bleeping bleep. :lame2:
Some of you guys are starting to sound like tailfins. Oppressed and trodden on by your dictatorial former spouses. The violins get so loud at times that we can hardly hear. :rolleyes:
Sorry guys, but when you get married and have kids, you have entered into an financial agreement that you can not back away from. It doesn't matter how long you were married, how long you have been apart, how much you earned then or how much you earn now. You owe your share to your family, because they are still there.
For every responsible former spouse, there are deadbeat dads who try to game the system. This is what prejudices the courts to make settlements.
Keep in mind that the mothers are normally entrusted with the kids. Being a single mom is a lot different than being a freewheeling carousing former dad.
You owe what you owe. It's incentive to try to make your relationship work.
You guys should have paid more attention to your marriage vows. To death do you part. Otherwise, you part with a lot. :dev3:

The OP smacked a homer on this one, Gabby.

Do you think all women are saints? Well, show me a person that says they are 'perfect', and I will invite them to kiss
my ass in the LA Coliseum and and give them week to sell tickets to the event!

What about a woman who walks out on her husband and child AS MY EX DID?
What about a woman that would not go to her regular job, but instead was found by me
(she left clues) wearing a bikini, wrapped around a pole in a strip joint in downtown LA?

What about a woman who left home for 3 days until I tracked her down up in Victorville?

All of this and more while I was still working 12 hour watches at the Command Center.

What about a woman that physically attacked me in a drunken rage?

What about a woman who, in her divorce papers, accused me of a lifelong Cocaine habit?
I had a TS/SSBI Clearance while at USCG District 11 Command Center in Long Beach.
I would have lost my career - WHICH IS WHAT SHE SAID SHE WAS TRYING TO DO?

Marriage Vows go BOTH WAYS, Gabby.

You are so full of shit!

[Elessar]

And for every deadbeat dad trying to game the system, there's a sociopathic, opportunistic woman doing the same.

Try again. Victim.

Yeah.

Gabby is our 'resident expert' on marriage and society in general.

[SassyLady]

Hey guys .... this is another side to the story for some of us ex wives.

When 1st hubby and I split there was no child support either way and no spousal either way. He made more, employer provided house and auto for him. But I just wanted to move forward and have no more contention. We had joint custody of one child and she could live with either of us.

2nd hubby came into marriage making less than I. Our JOINT funds paid his ex her spousal and child support. Our JOINT funds also paid off their debt because she filed bankruptcy on her portion. Our JOINT funds put him through school. He retired as E9 with 30 years service 2 months after our divorce was final.

Guess what? I still made more money and he wanted spousal (we went to court to settle) while he went back to school for two years. My lawyer reminded him about how my income helped pay off his previous life debts. Lawyer wanted to know if it would be worth it to do an accounting between what I contributed and what he would get. Plus, I retired frim full time work soon thereafter.

Not all women are out to get you.

[Abbey Marie]

Hey guys .... this is another side to the story for some of us ex wives.

When 1st hubby and I split there was no child support either way and no spousal either way. He made more, employer provided house and auto for him. But I just wanted to move forward and have no more contention. We had joint custody of one child and she could live with either of us.

2nd hubby came into marriage making less than I. Our JOINT funds paid his ex her spousal and child support. Our JOINT funds also paid off their debt because she filed bankruptcy on her portion. Our JOINT funds put him through school. He retired as E9 with 30 years service 2 months after our divorce was final.

Guess what? I still made more money and he wanted spousal (we went to court to settle) while he went back to school for two years. My lawyer reminded him about how my income helped pay off his previous life debts. Lawyer wanted to know if it would be worth it to do an accounting between what I contributed and what he would get. Plus, I retired frim full time work soon thereafter.

Not all women are out to get you.

That old song, “What I Did For Love” comes to mind.

As usual, Sassy is da woman. :cool:

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Hey guys .... this is another side to the story for some of us ex wives.

When 1st hubby and I split there was no child support either way and no spousal either way. He made more, employer provided house and auto for him. But I just wanted to move forward and have no more contention. We had joint custody of one child and she could live with either of us.

2nd hubby came into marriage making less than I. Our JOINT funds paid his ex her spousal and child support. Our JOINT funds also paid off their debt because she filed bankruptcy on her portion. Our JOINT funds put him through school. He retired as E9 with 30 years service 2 months after our divorce was final.

Guess what? I still made more money and he wanted spousal (we went to court to settle) while he went back to school for two years. My lawyer reminded him about how my income helped pay off his previous life debts. Lawyer wanted to know if it would be worth it to do an accounting between what I contributed and what he would get. Plus, I retired frim full time work soon thereafter.

Not all women are out to get you.
When I divorced my first wife I was in the Air Force. The judge in Milwaukee ordered MORE monthly child support than I MADE. Evidently "she" thought I was a General or something. I went through hell getting it reduced down to what it should be and willfully initiated a monthly check be sent to the state. I hadn't paid close enough attention to my LES and didn't notice that for years I was paying DOUBLE because the court had also ordered a mandatory withholding. I tried and tried to have that money applied to what I had already paid to no avail. I paid double, and as far as the state of Wisconsin was concerned, that was all just fine and dandy, and I still paid until the kid was nineteen. The state of Wisconsin bought her a trailer, gave her food stamps and a monthly welfare check while she dealt drugs on the side and smoked enough dope to get a whale high.

I just try to forget about the whole thing.

[Gunny]

Hey guys .... this is another side to the story for some of us ex wives.

When 1st hubby and I split there was no child support either way and no spousal either way. He made more, employer provided house and auto for him. But I just wanted to move forward and have no more contention. We had joint custody of one child and she could live with either of us.

2nd hubby came into marriage making less than I. Our JOINT funds paid his ex her spousal and child support. Our JOINT funds also paid off their debt because she filed bankruptcy on her portion. Our JOINT funds put him through school. He retired as E9 with 30 years service 2 months after our divorce was final.

Guess what? I still made more money and he wanted spousal (we went to court to settle) while he went back to school for two years. My lawyer reminded him about how my income helped pay off his previous life debts. Lawyer wanted to know if it would be worth it to do an accounting between what I contributed and what he would get. Plus, I retired frim full time work soon thereafter.

Not all women are out to get you.Of course there are two sides. My response was to Gabby's one-sided comment. I've never made the statement all or just women are bad. Gabby made it sound like it's just guys that are bad.

As far as "not all women are out to get you" ..... :halo9: I'm pretty sure they aren't. I just haven't met those ones yet :laugh:

I've never paid nor received any spousal/child support. When Numero uno and I divorced, we were both SSgt's and the oldest at the last second said she wanted to live with me, not her mom and sister. Lot more to it, but that turned out to be a wash money-wise. Except I got her and all her mother's credit card bills :(

Second wife just packed all her trash and left. That's a no-no in Texas. You just gave up any right to anything by abandoning the home. Couple other ladies were eyeballing my military bennies. Had enough of THAT.

I think each case should be handled individually and not labeled with a blanket statement. I consider deadbeat dads something less than men. At the same time, I consider the court system a farce. Some of the amounts are ridiculous. The man is basically enslaved for whatever remains of 18 years.

[darin]

I don't know if it's a difference in individual State law, or just the times, but I was under the impression the person receiving support DID have to account for expenditures.

Alimony - or spousal support - is treated as INCOME (from a federal tax standpoint); and the person paying it can deduct it.

"Child" support is not INCOME for the recipient. Nor do they have to prove the money was actually spent towards the direct benefit of the kid(s).

TN has caps on child support

https://memphisdivorce.com/caps-on-tn-child-support-for-parent-w-greater-than-10kmo-net-income/

But $2100 for one kid per month? In places other than the coasts, that's simply extortion.


@SassyLady (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=83) - it's not exactly that women are out to get men; it's evidence of a system set up to punish men. Between my ex and me; She had to sign special portions of paperwork to avoid essentially forcing me to pay her what the State thought I should, vs what she actually needs. She's been terrific. Next to me, She is the world's second-best ex.

[NightTrain]

This spousal support thing seems to be out of control. Thankfully, I never had to pay it - but not for lack of trying on her part.

When she was caught being everyone's local party girl while I was out of town working and things blew up, she raced down to Child Support to get that process started. Then she asked the Judge for Spousal Support AND wanted me to pay for any future education she may have wanted to get.

I don't remember the exact final number she asked for, but it was roughly $2600 / month if memory serves me.

The Judge - who was also a woman - saw through her schemes and saw how unjust the whole thing was to me. And she got pissed, especially when she saw the gigs of pictures & text messages I printed off for her to review demonstrating what kind of person the ex was. There's something terrifying and beautiful about a Superior Court Judge leaning forward over the bench giving the Ex a double-finger pointing while red in the face & expressing her displeasure with the Ex's behavior. I was careful not to show any expression as that went down, lest she turn on me in her fury, but she didn't. Even my lawyer was a bit frightened, he told me later. A Superior Court Judge can ruin your life in a hot hurry with the power that they weild.

I ended up with an unprecedented (in Alaska) 100% legal and physical custody of the kids in a contested divorce, and she didn't get the payday she was aiming for in Spousal Support.

It was greatly satisfying to get that little green check from the State every month as they garnished her wages to pay her child support. That was justice, because it hit her where it mattered most in her mind. Her motivation wasn't the kids or anyone else - it was money and the freedom to be a party girl on someone else's dime.

Sadly, the wisdom and sense of fairness that my Judge displayed is missing in many of her compatriots on the bench, especially down in the Lower 48.

[darin]

Bull bleeping bleep. :lame2:
Some of you guys are starting to sound like tailfins. Oppressed and trodden on by your dictatorial former spouses. The violins get so loud at times that we can hardly hear. :rolleyes:
Sorry guys, but when you get married and have kids, you have entered into an financial agreement that you can not back away from. It doesn't matter how long you were married, how long you have been apart, how much you earned then or how much you earn now. You owe your share to your family, because they are still there.
For every responsible former spouse, there are deadbeat dads who try to game the system. This is what prejudices the courts to make settlements.
Keep in mind that the mothers are normally entrusted with the kids. Being a single mom is a lot different than being a freewheeling carousing former dad.
You owe what you owe. It's incentive to try to make your relationship work.
You guys should have paid more attention to your marriage vows. To death do you part. Otherwise, you part with a lot. :dev3:

First and last warning - please do not attempt to derail threads; This thread's topic is: Men can go to prison for not paying extortion to ex-wives. If you have trouble staying on topic, you will be thread-banned.

- Admin.