“There is only the Fight”

[stephanie]

Andrew Walden
FrontPageMagazine.com | 8/21/2007

Snip:
Hillary Clinton has a written life plan, but there have been only two copies available to the public—until now. Written in 1969, and kept under lock and key during her years as First Lady, Hillary’s Wellesley College senior thesis has only been readable in person at the campus library and in a single microfilm copy made available to individual researchers on inter-library loan. Clinton lawyers have previously blocked people who sought to make it public.


A read of the 92-page thesis, titled “There is only the Fight, An Analysis of the Alinsky model” makes it clear why the Clintons wanted this document suppressed. Hillary doesn’t just want to pass laws or implement policy. Hillary explains: “If the ideals Alinsky espouses were actualized, the result would be social revolution.” Somehow, recent articles on the thesis by the Washington Post, Boston Globe and MSNBC all missed this little detail.


Read Hillary’s thesis here: http://gopublius.com/hillary-clintons-wellesley-thesis

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[GW in Ohio]

stephanie: I know that conservatives like yourself will never let go of the image of Hillary as firebrand socialist. But how many of us were also firebrand socialists and flaming leftists in college, and went on to be nice, well-behaved conservatives?

Hillary has changed; she isn't a flaming leftist any more. She's a genuine moderate.

But I don't expect you or any other hard-core right-winger to give up your image of her. It's what you use to attack her with.....it's what inflames your bile and feeds your hatred.

So party on......

:cheers2::dance::salute::dance::cheers2:

[Gaffer]

stephanie: I know that conservatives like yourself will never let go of the image of Hillary as firebrand socialist. But how many of us were also firebrand socialists and flaming leftists in college, and went on to be nice, well-behaved conservatives?

Hillary has changed; she isn't a flaming leftist any more. She's a genuine moderate.

But I don't expect you or any other hard-core right-winger to give up your image of her. It's what you use to attack her with.....it's what inflames your bile and feeds your hatred.

So party on......

:cheers2::dance::salute::dance::cheers2:

And your hatred of Bush is nothing like what you just described.

clinton is a socialist, she has always been a socialist. She wants the power she talks about in her thesis. All politicians do. She wants government controlling every aspect of our lives, with her at the top. And you are just another of her useful idiots.

[GW in Ohio]

And your hatred of Bush is nothing like what you just described.

clinton is a socialist, she has always been a socialist. She wants the power she talks about in her thesis. All politicians do. She wants government controlling every aspect of our lives, with her at the top. And you are just another of her useful idiots.

Like I said.....

Hard-core right-wingers will cling to their image of Hillary like a rabid bulldog clamped on a mailman's leg.

Don't anybody tell these right wingers that the rest of the country has moved on and sees Hillary as a moderate.

Don't want to wake 'em up.

[stephanie]

And your hatred of Bush is nothing like what you just described.

clinton is a socialist, she has always been a socialist. She wants the power she talks about in her thesis. All politicians do. She wants government controlling every aspect of our lives, with her at the top. And you are just another of her useful idiots.

:clap:

[GW in Ohio]

And your hatred of Bush is nothing like what you just described.

clinton is a socialist, she has always been a socialist. She wants the power she talks about in her thesis. All politicians do. She wants government controlling every aspect of our lives, with her at the top. And you are just another of her useful idiots.

If I were to cling to the image of George Bush based on his earlier years, I'd say he was a drunk, a cokehead, and an embarrassment to his family.

He's no longer a drunk and a cokehead. People change.

He's still an embarrassment to his family, though.

[Abbey Marie]

stephanie: I know that conservatives like yourself will never let go of the image of Hillary as firebrand socialist. But how many of us were also firebrand socialists and flaming leftists in college, and went on to be nice, well-behaved conservatives?

Hillary has changed; she isn't a flaming leftist any more. She's a genuine moderate.

But I don't expect you or any other hard-core right-winger to give up your image of her. It's what you use to attack her with.....it's what inflames your bile and feeds your hatred.

So party on......

:cheers2::dance::salute::dance::cheers2:

And only a liberal would see an advocate of nationalized health care as a moderate. Perhaps it is your perspective that needs adjusting...

[GW in Ohio]

And only a liberal would see an advocate of nationalized health care as a moderate. Perhaps it is your perspective that needs adjusting...

Y'know....

If I had to choose between a president advocating nationalized health care and a president invading Iraq, I'd choose the former.

Nationalized health care would never make it through Congress, whereas the Iraq war has cost the lives of 3,700 Americans, plus thousands more wounded or maimed, plus hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed, maimed, displaced, and otherwise fucked over. The Iraq war has also cost us in lost prestige and respect and we will have spent over a $trillion before we finally get out of there.

That money could have been put to good use here at home instead of enriching the coffers of Halliburton contractors in Iraq.

[gabosaurus]

Hillary has no chance to win the Dem nomination. Therefore, I don't give a crap about her.

[Abbey Marie]

Hillary has no chance to win the Dem nomination. Therefore, I don't give a crap about her.

You really don't think she can get it? I think she will.

[gabosaurus]

Not a chance. Regardless of her capability and credibility, the Dem leadership knows that another Clinton has zero chance of winning. A large sector of the American public will not vote for a woman.
Once the real infighting begins, Hillary's record of flip-flopping on key issues and her shrewish nature will make her extremely unpopular. Not to mention the fact that she has expressed an unwillingness to comment on Bill's unfaithfulness and how she dealt with it. That would never stand up in a campaign.
Her campaign is going to self-destruct.

[avatar4321]

Not a chance. Regardless of her capability and credibility, the Dem leadership knows that another Clinton has zero chance of winning. A large sector of the American public will not vote for a woman.
Once the real infighting begins, Hillary's record of flip-flopping on key issues and her shrewish nature will make her extremely unpopular. Not to mention the fact that she has expressed an unwillingness to comment on Bill's unfaithfulness and how she dealt with it. That would never stand up in a campaign.
Her campaign is going to self-destruct.

The fact she is a woman has absolutely nothing to do with her chance of winning the election. People dont have a problem voting for a woman as long as its not Hillary.

[glockmail]

Y'know....

If I had to choose between a president advocating nationalized health care and a president invading Iraq, I'd choose the former.

Nationalized health care would never make it through Congress, whereas the Iraq war has cost the lives of 3,700 Americans, plus thousands more wounded or maimed, plus hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed, maimed, displaced, and otherwise fucked over. The Iraq war has also cost us in lost prestige and respect and we will have spent over a $trillion before we finally get out of there.

That money could have been put to good use here at home instead of enriching the coffers of Halliburton contractors in Iraq.

Hillary's a bitch and a Nazi. Just like you.

[Gaffer]

Y'know....

If I had to choose between a president advocating nationalized health care and a president invading Iraq, I'd choose the former.

Nationalized health care would never make it through Congress, whereas the Iraq war has cost the lives of 3,700 Americans, plus thousands more wounded or maimed, plus hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed, maimed, displaced, and otherwise fucked over. The Iraq war has also cost us in lost prestige and respect and we will have spent over a $trillion before we finally get out of there.

That money could have been put to good use here at home instead of enriching the coffers of Halliburton contractors in Iraq.

Nationalized health care DID NOT make it through congress. The invasion of iraq did. There is more money wasted right here this year alone by congress, in pork spending than has been spent on iraq.

[glockmail]

Nationalized health care DID NOT make it through congress. The invasion of iraq did. There is more money wasted right here this year alone by congress, in pork spending than has been spent on iraq.

Why bother? GW will just run from this argument and pop in another thread in a day or so spouting the same bullshit. I'm sick of this little weenie.
He's not worth debating.

[Kathianne]

Andrew Walden
FrontPageMagazine.com | 8/21/2007

Snip:
Hillary Clinton has a written life plan, but there have been only two copies available to the public—until now. Written in 1969, and kept under lock and key during her years as First Lady, Hillary’s Wellesley College senior thesis has only been readable in person at the campus library and in a single microfilm copy made available to individual researchers on inter-library loan. Clinton lawyers have previously blocked people who sought to make it public.


A read of the 92-page thesis, titled “There is only the Fight, An Analysis of the Alinsky model” makes it clear why the Clintons wanted this document suppressed. Hillary doesn’t just want to pass laws or implement policy. Hillary explains: “If the ideals Alinsky espouses were actualized, the result would be social revolution.” Somehow, recent articles on the thesis by the Washington Post, Boston Globe and MSNBC all missed this little detail.


Read Hillary’s thesis here: http://gopublius.com/hillary-clintons-wellesley-thesis

Read the rest of this article at..
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=39595ECB-C0AD-4E37-A093-A2E510FE3A60
I hate to admit it, but Saul Alinsky was one of my heroes throughout college. Then again, I was at the 'Chicago school.' ;)

[Abbey Marie]

I hate to admit it, but Saul Alinsky was one of my heroes throughout college. Then again, I was at the 'Chicago school.' ;)

I'll bet most of us have changed a lot since college. Or is he still your hero? :)

[Kathianne]

I'll bet most of us have changed a lot since college. Or is he still your hero? :)

I've changed a bit, I've said so before. In my late high school, early college years I was quite radical in thought, not actions. It's part of what led to my switching from journalism/pol sci to sociology/pol sci, (see the Alinsky influence? ;) ) At the same time, I was learning to think. When a prof at U of I made attending a political rally 'mandatory', I raised mucho stink. How dare they allow a teacher skew grades on such a factor? I guess that's why I'm the way I am on issues like flag burnings and such.