why is God so hung-up about sin, anyway?

[darin]

Men after God's own heart:

David - had sex with dozens or maybe hundreds women while king. Some were his wives, some were his sex slaves. Arranged for murder because he wanted one.more.woman. But she was married.

But yet God loved him. Why? How can someone so morally ambiguous be so revered? Does God even care? Or if he cares too much, then why?

If an Ant hurts me by biting me, i do not wish it to be tortured in hell fire for all eternity.

https://vimeo.com/103650427

[Gunny]

Men after God's own heart:

David - had sex with dozens or maybe hundreds women while king. Some were his wives, some were his sex slaves. Arranged for murder because he wanted one.more.woman. But she was married.

But yet God loved him. Why? How can someone so morally ambiguous be so revered? Does God even care? Or if he cares too much, then why?

If an Ant hurts me by biting me, i do not wish it to be tortured in hell fire for all eternity.

https://vimeo.com/103650427You left out the fact he murdered Saul for his throne.

[darin]

You left out the fact he murdered Saul for his throne.

Saul committed suicide to avoid capture.

[aboutime]

I talked to God one time, and asked him the same question. Know what he said?

"I'm not hung up about sin. It's just that EVERYBODY PISSES ME OFF! So, I just laugh, because everybody is a sinner. Just ask them to DENY it!"

[Gunny]

Saul committed suicide to avoid capture.Depends on who you listen to. BOTH stories are circulated and no real evidence of wither exists except after the kast time David met with Saul, Saul was dead.

If there is an actual truth with evidence out there, I don't think it's going to get around much. David is a hero to both Jews and Christians.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Men after God's own heart:

David - had sex with dozens or maybe hundreds women while king. Some were his wives, some were his sex slaves. Arranged for murder because he wanted one.more.woman. But she was married.

But yet God loved him. Why? How can someone so morally ambiguous be so revered? Does God even care? Or if he cares too much, then why?

If an Ant hurts me by biting me, i do not wish it to be tortured in hell fire for all eternity.

https://vimeo.com/103650427
How do we know David is in heaven? Maybe God loved him, but still cast him into hell for his unrepentant sexual behavior.

[Black Diamond]

How do we know David is in heaven? Maybe God loved him, but still cast him into hell for his unrepentant sexual behavior.
David was under a different covenant. That's what I was wondering about earlier.

[revelarts]

Men after God's own heart:

David - had sex with dozens or maybe hundreds women while king. Some were his wives, some were his sex slaves. Arranged for murder because he wanted one.more.woman. But she was married.

But yet God loved him. Why? How can someone so morally ambiguous be so revered? Does God even care? Or if he cares too much, then why?

If an Ant hurts me by biting me, i do not wish it to be tortured in hell fire for all eternity.

https://vimeo.com/103650427

uh, different question.
How did Gnostic Christian Bishop get Darin's account?

[darin]

Depends on who you listen to. BOTH stories are circulated and no real evidence of wither exists except after the last time David met with Saul, Saul was dead.

If there is an actual truth with evidence out there, I don't think it's going to get around much. David is a hero to both Jews and Christians.

Then "David killed Saul to gain control" is as much speculation as "did saul kill himself (it's written saul fell on his own sword).


How do we know David is in heaven? Maybe God loved him, but still cast him into hell for his unrepentant sexual behavior.

David repented about a lot of things. I think anyone would be hard-pressed to find a biblical scholar who thinks David - excuse the churchy-term - "died in his sins"


David was under a different covenant. That's what I was wondering about earlier.

Right - he was under the Law; under the Law people made OTHER sacrifices to God to atone for their hard hearts and all that. After Christ, none of that was needed - now we are not told to sacrifice "For God", we are told "If you love people, you will sacrifice FOR them. Give them your time, because you take delight in that. Give them your food - because you delight in knowing they are fed. Etc. etc. etc.


Did ANYONE listen to the link? Seems like not.

[Great warrior]

When it comes to the means by which God has delivered revelation to mankind throughout history, God’s guidance has always been imparted to us through His Prophets, may God’s peace and blessings be upon them all. This shows us that Prophethood plays an important role in revelation.

Having revelation, or knowledge, is one thing. We also need a teacher to provide its correct interpretation, in order for mankind to make use of the knowledge and implement it properly. That's why you should be open-minded and adopt the straight Quranic approach.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEc_ilaHim8

[darin]

When it comes to the means by which God has delivered revelation to mankind throughout history, God’s guidance has always been imparted to us through His Prophets, may God’s peace and blessings be upon them all. This shows us that Prophethood plays an important role in revelation.

Having revelation, or knowledge, is one thing. We also need a teacher to provide its correct interpretation, in order for mankind to make use of the knowledge and implement it properly. That's why you should be open-minded and adopt the straight Quranic approach.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEc_ilaHim8

that's all great but it flies in the face of Biblical teaching - where God himself, via his spirit, reveals himself to us. No prophets required. :)

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

When it comes to the means by which God has delivered revelation to mankind throughout history, God’s guidance has always been imparted to us through His Prophets, may God’s peace and blessings be upon them all. This shows us that Prophethood plays an important role in revelation.

Having revelation, or knowledge, is one thing. We also need a teacher to provide its correct interpretation, in order for mankind to make use of the knowledge and implement it properly. That's why you should be open-minded and adopt the straight Quranic approach.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEc_ilaHim8




adopt the straight Quranic approach.

You mean= kill, conquer and enslave, ..
Well yes, that way expanded your damn cult and empire until you vermin tried to take over Europe and Charles the Hammer Martel obliterated your filthy, ffing murdering armies.
Trying reading a history book for a change, instead of that damn cult book, that you filthy vermin worship, maggot.- :mad::mad:--Tyr

[Great warrior]

that's all great but it flies in the face of Biblical teaching - where God himself, via his spirit, reveals himself to us. No prophets required. :)

You didn't get it. In Islam: David is a revered prophet of God. Muslims believe all this sins were falsely attributed to him by the authors of the man-made bible.

In Christianity: Jesus is a recognized prophet of God.

[darin]

You didn't get it. In Islam: David is a revered prophet of God. Muslims believe all this sins were falsely attributed to him by the authors of the man-made bible.

In Christianity: Jesus is a recognized prophet of God.

Right - and because of Christ, nobody NEEDS a prophet to intercede on their behalf NOR to understand God's word. That's the beauty of it - Islam makes it hard to reach God; Islam creates arbitrary rules of no significance except to further build dependence upon a man-made order; a religion. Christianity does that too, sometimes...except nobody in Christianity is killing non-believers like the Islamists do.

If Christ were merely a prophet, like David - NO man is to be worshiped or revered anyway and certainly never EVER would ANY prophet condone KILLING People for drawing their image.

[NightTrain]

You didn't get it. In Islam: David is a revered prophet of God. Muslims believe all this sins were falsely attributed to him by the authors of the man-made bible.

In Christianity: Jesus is a recognized prophet of God.


You forget that we reject your made-up cult. It was invented a few centuries ago by a sun-stroked outcast that molested little girls.

It continues today all around the world by atrocity after atrocity, against every single race, creed & religion exposed to you muzzies.

You are THE scourge upon the planet, and if you were honest you'd admit it.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2014/05/the_greatest_murder_machine_in_history.html

May 31, 2014
The Greatest Murder Machine in History
By Mike Konrad

When one thinks of mass murder, Hitler comes to mind. If not Hitler, then Tojo, Stalin, or Mao. Credit is given to the 20th-century totalitarians as the worst species of tyranny to have ever arisen. However, the alarming truth is that Islam has killed more than any of these, and may surpass all of them combined in numbers and cruelty.

The enormity of the slaughters of the "religion of peace" are so far beyond comprehension that even honest historians overlook the scale. When one looks beyond our myopic focus, Islam is the greatest killing machine in the history of mankind, bar none.


The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. -- Will Durant, as quoted on Daniel Pipes site.

Conservative estimates place the number at 80 million dead Indians.

According to some calculations, the Indian (subcontinent) population decreased by 80 million between 1000 (conquest of Afghanistan) and 1525 (end of Delhi Sultanate). -- Koenrad Elst as quoted on Daniel Pipes site

80 Million?! The conquistadors' crimes pale into insignificance at that number. No wonder Hitler admired Islam as a fighting religion. He stood in awe of Islam, whose butchery even he did not surpass.

Over 110 Million Blacks were killed by Islam.

... a minumum of 28 Million African were enslaved in the Muslim Middle East. Since, at least, 80 percent of those captured by Muslim slave traders were calculated to have died before reaching the slave market, it is believed that the death toll from 1400 years of Arab and Muslim slave raids into Africa could have been as high as 112 Millions. When added to the number of those sold in the slave markets, the total number of African victims of the trans-Saharan and East African slave trade could be significantly higher than 140 Million people. -- John Allembillah Azumah, author of The Legacy of Arab-Islam in Africa: A Quest for Inter-religious Dialogue



We know that over 1 million Europeans were enslaved by Barbary Pirates. How many died is anybody's guess.

...for the 250 years between 1530 and 1780, the figure could easily have been as high as 1,250,000 - BBC

In the Middle Ages…

…many slaves were passed through Armenia and were castrated there to fill the Muslim demand for eunuchs. -- Slavery in Early Medieval Europe.

The same practice ran through Islamic Spain. North Europeans captured from raids up to Iceland, or purchased, were butchered in the castratoriums of Iberia. Many died from the operations that ran for centuries.

The number of dead from the Muslim conquest of the Balkans and Southern Italy is unknown, but again the numbers add up, surely into the millions over the centuries. Don't forget the 1.5 million Armenian Christians killed by the Turks during WWI. We do know that over five centuries, vast numbers of Christian boys were kidnapped to become Islamic Janissary mercenaries for the Turks. Add those in, too.

Muslims prized blonde women for their harems; and so enslaved Slavic women were purchased in the bazaars of the Crimean Caliphate. In Muslim Spain, an annual tribute of 100 Visigothic [blonde] women was required from Spain's Cantabrian coast.

For decades, 100 virgins per year were required by the Muslim rulers of Spain from the conquered population. The tribute was only stopped when the Spaniards began fighting back -- Jihad: Islam's 1,300 Year War Against Western Civilisation

Add in the death toll from the Reconquista and the numbers climb higher.

Research has shown that the Dark Ages were not caused by the Goths, who eventually assimilated and Christianized:

…the real destroyers of classical civilization were the Muslims. It was the Arab Invasions... which broke the unity of the Mediterranean world and turned the Middle Sea -- previously one of the world’s most important trading highways -- into a battleground. It was only after the appearance of Islam... that the cities of the West, which depended upon the Mediterranean trade for their survival, began to die. -- Islam Caused the Dark Ages

Add in those unknown millions who died as a consequence.

How many know the horrors of the conquest of Malaysia? The Buddhists of Thailand and Malaysia were slaughtered en masse.

When attacked and massacred by the Muslims, the Buddhists initially did not make any attempt to escape from their murderers. They accepted death with an air of fatalism and destiny. And hence they are not around today to tell their story. – History of Jihad.org

We may never know the numbers of dead.



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History not taught in schools and history that the ffing muzzy vermin always ignore, this Weak Warrior vermin, will totally ignore as well, IMHO.--Tyr

[darin]

dude - that's not a reply so much as a filibuster.

[Great warrior]

Right - and because of Christ, nobody NEEDS a prophet to intercede on their behalf NOR to understand God's word. That's the beauty of it - Islam makes it hard to reach God; Islam creates arbitrary rules of no significance except to further build dependence upon a man-made order; a religion. Christianity does that too, sometimes...except nobody in Christianity is killing non-believers like the Islamists do.

If Christ were merely a prophet, like David - NO man is to be worshiped or revered anyway and certainly never EVER would ANY prophet condone KILLING People for drawing their image.

Christ is a prophet........agreed upon, which proves that prophets have indeed, a great responsibility to guide mankind.

In Islam there is no church hierarchy no priests, ministers, vicars, deans, or popes. When a Muslim prays he prays directly to God not through any intermediary. When he serves God he is not serving an institution but God alone. Muslims pray just like Prophet Jesus used to pray to his God.

Every human being is individually responsible for their own actions and their own beliefs. No one can take that responsibility away from you. That's why atonement concepts are odd and unacceptable.

NO man is to be worshiped..agreed upon.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

dude - that's not a reply so much as a filibuster.

No problem....
My bad, next time I will break it up and post it in four or five or even ten separate posts.--Tyr

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Christ is a prophet........agreed upon, which proves that prophets have indeed, a great responsibility to guide mankind.

In Islam there is no church hierarchy no priests, ministers, vicars, deans, or popes. When a Muslim prays he prays directly to God not through any intermediary. When he serves God he is not serving an institution but God alone. Muslims pray just like Prophet Jesus used to pray to his God.

Every human being is individually responsible for their own actions and their own beliefs. No one can take that responsibility away from you. That's why atonement concepts are odd and unacceptable.

NO man is to be worshiped..agreed upon.

Do you not worship your prophet muhommad? Yes, yes you do, and he is a filthy pedophile.

islam is not a religion, it is a man made, bloody, stone age, murdering ignorant cult.

[Abbey Marie]

How do we know David is in heaven? Maybe God loved him, but still cast him into hell for his unrepentant sexual behavior.

Must admit, I never looked at it that way. ;)

[Abbey Marie]

Christ is a prophet........agreed upon, which proves that prophets have indeed, a great responsibility to guide mankind.

In Islam there is no church hierarchy no priests, ministers, vicars, deans, or popes. When a Muslim prays he prays directly to God not through any intermediary. When he serves God he is not serving an institution but God alone. Muslims pray just like Prophet Jesus used to pray to his God.

Every human being is individually responsible for their own actions and their own beliefs. No one can take that responsibility away from you. That's why atonement concepts are odd and unacceptable.

NO man is to be worshiped..agreed upon.


And you pray separately from lowly women. Because they are lesser than you, or because they might distract you into wanting to have sex while they chastely bow their heads in prayer? Or perhaps for both reasons? Or is your version of god not able to handle commingled prayers? What a total turn off any which way you explain it.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Four examples of Islam and its dedication to murdering , savagery , brutality and desire to convert or kill every human on earth..
Murdering of millions , including women and children...-Tyr




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https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2016/june/1464703200/robert-manne/mind-islamic-state

Political ideologies invariably take decades to crystallise. In the case of the Islamic State its world view is grounded in the thought of the Egyptian visionary Sayyid Qutb, whose Milestones is a seminal text for an understanding of both Al Qaeda and the Islamic State. Following Qutb’s execution and martyrdom in 1966, his thought was subject to a process best called, to borrow a phrase from the scholarly debate about Nazi Germany and the Holocaust, “cumulative radicalisation”. This process occurred through the writings of a series of influential revolutionaries. The Egyptian engineer Muhammad abd-al-Salam Faraj, author of The Neglected Duty (referring to jihad), which inspired the 1981 assassination of his country’s president, Anwar Sadat, made Qutb’s thought operational. The Palestinian scholar Abdullah Azzam, who wrote Join the Caravan and inspired the first army of jihadists during the fight against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan from 1979, made Qutb’s already operationalised vision global. The Saudi-Yemeni businessman Osama bin Laden and the Egyptian physician Ayman al-Zawahiri, who, in combination, created Al Qaeda, converted Qutb’s vision into the ideology of the most consequential global jihadist movement prior to the emergence of the Islamic Sta........
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(2.)


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/08/isis-islamic-state-ideology-sharia-syria-iraq-jordan-pilot

The burning to death in a locked cage of captured Jordanian pilot Muadh al- Kasasbeh by Islamic State (Isis), a film of which has surfaced online, was barbarous even by its own brutal standards.

The group struggled to justify the live immolation of a Muslim prisoner with the ease it did in previous cases of heinous crimes. In a written fatwa about two weeks before the video, Isis-affiliated clerics cited differences of opinion over the issue among Sunni Islam’s four schools of jurisprudence. In the end, the Isis clerics ruled that immolation is “forbidden in principle” but “permissible in cases of reciprocity”.

In previous cases, Isis found little difficulty in citing evidence to back the religious legitimacy of its acts. Beheading, crucifixion and hand-lopping did not require much reasoning because these punishments are part of th .........


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_violence

Islam and violence
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The first military rulings were formulated during the first hundred years after Muhammad established an Islamic state in Medina. These rulings evolved in accordance with the interpretations of the Quran (the Muslim Holy scriptures) and Hadith (the recorded traditions of Muhammad). The key themes in these rulings were the justness of war (see Justice in the Quran), and the injunction to jihad. The rulings do not cover feuds and armed conflicts in general.[14] The millennium of Muslim conquests could be classified, technically, as a religious war.

Some have pointed out that the current Western view of the need for a clear separation between Church and State was only first legislated into effect after 18 centuries of Christianity in the Western world.[15] While some majority Muslim governments such as Turkey and many of the majority Muslim former Soviet republics have officially attempted to incorporate this principle of such a separation of powers into their governments, the concept within the Muslim world yet remains somewhat in a state of ongoing evolution and flux.

Islam has never had any officially recognized tradition of pacifism, and throughout its history warfare has been an integral part of the Islamic theological system. Since the time of Muhammad, Islam has considered warfare to be a legitimate expression of religious faith, and has accepted its use for the defense of Islam. During approximately the first 1,000 years of its existence, the use of warfare by Muslim majority governments often resulted in the de facto propagation of Islam.

While the early spread .....

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http://markhumphrys.com/islam.killings.html


Killings for Islam
Islam and Christianity have an interesting contrast. Jesus never killed anyone, and Christianity took 300 years before the killing began.
Whereas Islam began with killing of unbelievers right from the start.

For the first century of its existence, Islam was absolutely soaked in blood. The killing only slowed down as the Islamic empire finally ran into boundaries in the 8th century, after about a century of expansionist, imperialist, unprovoked Islamic aggression.

Even after the initial expansion slowed, the killings did not end. Slaughter (jihad) and oppression (sharia) are part of the core doctrines of Islam. Killing for Islam is not a modern idea, and it will never end until some sort of reformation takes place within the religion. Medieval Christianity was equally violent, but Christianity has since reformed.

For many years now, Islam has been the most violent religion in the world.

[darin]

Christ is a prophet........agreed upon, which proves that prophets have indeed, a great responsibility to guide mankind.

In Islam there is no church hierarchy no priests, ministers, vicars, deans, or popes. When a Muslim prays he prays directly to God not through any intermediary. When he serves God he is not serving an institution but God alone. Muslims pray just like Prophet Jesus used to pray to his God.

Every human being is individually responsible for their own actions and their own beliefs. No one can take that responsibility away from you. That's why atonement concepts are odd and unacceptable.

NO man is to be worshiped..agreed upon.


Not really, no. Christ is GOD in flesh. He doesn't have to guide mankind to God, he's god come to Mankind. There is no more journey. there is no mystery.


And if Muhammed is a man and not to be worshipped, why kill people who draw his image?