The Democratic case against impeaching President Trump

[jimnyc]

Those that are spending their entire time in congress trying to FIND ways to impeach Trump, should both get lives, and be dismissed for not doing their normal duties and what their constituents expect of them.

The reasons that the left want to impeach are "growing" and are laughable. And you will find several of these idiots trying to pass it by should they get majorities.

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Because he retained ownership of his business. Whenever someone stays at his hotels it is an impeachable offense. :rolleyes:
With ALL of the crap against the Dems, from the Fisa warrants to the dossier - they want to impeach Trump because Donald Jr. met with someone to get dirt on Hillary. He apparently advocated violence by "protecting" those in Charlottesville. :rolleyes: Abuse of pardon power....

The list is laughable.

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The Democratic case against impeaching President Trump

Washington (CNN)On Sunday morning, longtime Democratic consultant -- and CNN senior political commentator -- David Axelrod tweeted a thought on a New York Times story about Republicans pushing the idea that if Democrats take control of Congress, they will move to impeach President Donald Trump. Tweeted Axelrod: "Dems should NOT commit to impeachment unless & until there's a demonstrable case for one. It is not just a matter of politics. It's a matter of principle. If we 'normaliize' impeachment as a political tool, it will be another hammer blow to our democracy."

That tweet generated lots of heated reaction on the liberal left. Tom Steyer, a wealthy California businessman who has been running national TV ads touting the case for impeachment, responded this way to Axelrod: "Let's be clear: Trump has already committed 8 impeachable offenses. What are we waiting for? If you haven't signed on yet, now is the time. https://www.needtoimpeach.com/"
I reached out to Axelrod in hopes of having a broader conversation about his views in impeachment, Trump and the Democratic base. He agreed. Our conversation, conducted via email and lightly edited for flow, is below.

Cillizza: You made clear you think a push for impeachment by Democrats is a mistake, strategically. Why?

Axelrod: As a political matter, the voters who will decide which party runs the House next year want checks and balances. They're not signing up for automatic impeachment.

That is not to say if (special counsel Robert) Mueller comes back with a case that this won't change. But to commit to such a step now, absent his conclusions, would seem to many outside the base of the Democratic Party to be a nakedly political act that portends another season of chaos and inaction in Washington.

Cillizza: You also made the case it's a mistake of "principle" because it would "normalize" the idea of impeachment in politics. Aren't we already there? (Clinton was impeached in the House. Bush faced regular threats of impeachment as did Obama.)

Rest - https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/09/politics/impeachment-trump-axelrod/index.html

[LongTermGuy]

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Dem`s...Zero specifics and are just a gaggle of sore losers and anti-white racists throwing handfuls of their own shit against the wall in the hope that some of it sticks.

Impeachment `promises` may sell with `their dippy leftist constituents` who >>> just can’t grasp the reality that Donald Trump was elected as President of the United States..... but the Democrats are playing with fire that could blow right back onto them if it energizes Trump supporters who see all of this crap as a larger effort to disenfranchise them.

[Black Diamond]

Be funny if they campaigned on impeaching him and lost seats for doing so.

[jimnyc]

And these nitwits were completely serious in going deeper and deeper into their dreams...

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MSNBC's Joy Reid: What If Trump Refuses To Be Arrested By Federal Marshals?

Sunday on her weekend morning program, MSNBC's Joy Reid seriously discussed a situation where President Trump refused a subpoena and would have to be arrested and put in jail until he testified before a grand jury. Reid envisioned a scenario of a White House besieged by federal marshals who would wait for Trump to give the Secret Service a stand down order so he could be taken into custody.

"Let's say that Donald Trump decides he doesn't want to give an interview with Mueller, but Mueller says 'Oh, but you will.' And he's subpoenaed to [be] interview[ed] [by] Robert Mueller. And Donald Trump simply says, 'I don't recognize that subpoena.' This is a president whose behavior is different as president of the United States. He doesn't follow convention. Who would force him to comply with the subpoena ordering him to do an interview with Robert Mueller?" Reid asked.

"It would be a federal court judge," former Watergate prosecutor Nick Akerman said.



"How would they enforce it?" she asked.

"Normally, a person who refuses to testify before a grand jury winds up being incarcerated for the time period of the grand jury which can be up to 18 months," Akerman said. "So, one way to enforce it is to have Donald Trump taken by the federal marshals and put into federal prison until he testifies."

"What if he refuses to open the White House door?" Reid asked, seriously. "What if he fires any Secret Service agent who would allow the federal marshals in? What if Donald Trump simply decides I don't have to follow the law? 'I refuse to be held under the law. No marshal can get into this White House and any Secret Service agent who defies me is fired.'"

"Well, at some point he is going to have to come out of the White House," Akerman answered. "At some point, he is going to have to leave and the U.S. Marshals will be directed to take him into custody, bring him before a federal district court judge. He'll be basically told that either he goes in and he testifies or he takes the Fifth Amendment. If he takes the Fifth Amendment, there's not a problem. If he refuses to answer on the grounds that a truthful answer would tend to incriminate him he has the right to do that. If he does that, there's no contempt. If he doesn't do that, he can be directed to go directly to jail. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200. End of story."

As the discussion continued Akerman talked about a bench warrant for Trump and how that would play out with law enforcement. Reid also conceived a situation where Trump wouldn't "recognize the authority" of investigators while "an entire media chorus" would be there to encourage him to be defiant, something she said Nixon did not have.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/04/08/msnbc_joy_reid_what_if_trump_refuses_to_be_arreste d_by_federal_marshals.html

[Gunny]

Do you have to drop a couple of hits of acid to think this kind of sh*t up? :dunno:

[jimnyc]

Do you have to drop a couple of hits of acid to think this kind of sh*t up? :dunno:

Nope, just be a delusional leftie, SO upset with Hillary losing, that the teapot is overflowing with hatred and scenarios of doom.

[Gunny]

Nope, just be a delusional leftie, SO upset with Hillary losing, that the teapot is overflowing with hatred and scenarios of doom.Ah ... the "tea"pot. Drinking belladonna tea again, huh? :)

For real. This is Twilight Zone material. Rod Serling would be proud. "What if Trump suddenly sprouted horns and a tail ...":rolleyes:

[Elessar]

They have been throwing tantrums since the Electoral College votes were confirm. 1.5 years of tantrums.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I hate 'em. Never seen a worse bunch of human filth in my life.

[Black Diamond]

I hate 'em. Never seen a worse bunch of human filth in my life.
They keep moving further and further left.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

They keep moving further and further left.
Absolutely... to the point where the things they do and say are utterly retarded, and anti American.

It seems as though they HATE our country, they hate anything that's moral, and they welcome anyone who is either perverted, illegal, authoritarian and/or corrupt with open arms.

Look any big cess pool they call a city in America that's under democrap control, and it's BROKEN, it's a DISASTER, they're in DEBT, they have some of the highest CRIME although they have the most strict unconstitutional gun laws, they have homelessness and filth everywhere and prices are out of this world, and THAT is what they want to inflict on the REST of the nation.

Simply put, DEMOCRATS TEAR DOWN, where ever they are, whatever they do, they are ALWAYS A VICTIM, and they ALWAYS TEAR DOWN.

We need a CONSTITUTION OF STATES, and thank, ever so slowly, that movement IS GAINING support. Sen Rand Paul was the latest to sign onto the movement yesterday. I believe that is the ONLY way the citizens of America will EVER have a chance of DRAINING THE SWAMP without having to have another all out civil war.

[gabosaurus]

The Dems who have wasted time looking for reasons to impeach Trump are no better than the GOPs who wasted time looking for reason to impeach Obama. It's all down to ego and political grandstanding. Thinking liberals have two primary reasons for wanting Trump to remain in office. First and foremost, we don't want Jesus Pence in the Oval Office. Second, Trump does us more good as President. Every stupid decision he makes works against GOP candidates up for reelection this fall and in 2020.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

The Dems who have wasted time looking for reasons to impeach Trump are no better than the GOPs who wasted time looking for reason to impeach Obama. It's all down to ego and political grandstanding. Thinking liberals have two primary reasons for wanting Trump to remain in office. First and foremost, we don't want Jesus Pence in the Oval Office. Second, Trump does us more good as President. Every stupid decision he makes works against GOP candidates up for reelection this fall and in 2020.
Are we on the same PLANET? ... :laugh:

I don't remember a S.C. illegally started to hound the kenyan and everyone else he ever knew.

[aboutime]

The Dems who have wasted time looking for reasons to impeach Trump are no better than the GOPs who wasted time looking for reason to impeach Obama. It's all down to ego and political grandstanding. Thinking liberals have two primary reasons for wanting Trump to remain in office. First and foremost, we don't want Jesus Pence in the Oval Office. Second, Trump does us more good as President. Every stupid decision he makes works against GOP candidates up for reelection this fall and in 2020.

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[Gunny]

The Dems who have wasted time looking for reasons to impeach Trump are no better than the GOPs who wasted time looking for reason to impeach Obama. It's all down to ego and political grandstanding. Thinking liberals have two primary reasons for wanting Trump to remain in office. First and foremost, we don't want Jesus Pence in the Oval Office. Second, Trump does us more good as President. Every stupid decision he makes works against GOP candidates up for reelection this fall and in 2020.Incorrect. Obama violated the Constitution on more than a few occasions. All are provable and all could have been prosecuted. Had he been a Republican he would have been impeached without a doubt.

[aboutime]

Incorrect. Obama violated the Constitution on more than a few occasions. All are provable and all could have been prosecuted. Had he been a Republican he would have been impeached without a doubt.


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[LongTermGuy]

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