Syria war: Thousands flee offensives in Afrin and Ghouta

[Gunny]

More than 60,000 people have fled two separate offensives in Syria in recent days, the UN says.
Up to 16,000 people have fled Eastern Ghouta, near Damascus, where Russian air strikes are supporting Syrian government attempts to retake the area.
Nearly 50,000 fled the northern town of Afrin, where Turkey is fighting a US-backed Kurdish militia that it considers a terrorist group.
Dozens of people were killed in air strikes on Friday, activists said.
Seven years of civil war have driven nearly 12 million Syrians from their homes:


At least 6.1 million are internally displaced
Another 5.6 million have fled abroad
More than 400,000 are believed to have been killed or are missing, presumed dead

On Friday, the Syrian ambassador to the United Nations said the estimates of those who fled the rebel-held enclave of Eastern Ghouta could be more than twice as high as reported, with up to 40,000 leaving on Thursday alone. The number could not be verified.


Why is there a war in Syria? (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35806229)

The Eastern Ghouta Front: Syrian government v rebelsRussian air strikes killed 80 people including 14 children on Friday in the Eastern Ghouta towns of Kafr Batna, Saqba and Harasta, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a UK-based monitoring group.
Despite international calls for a ceasefire, there has been no let-up in the offensive and the Syrian army is now pushing into densely populated areas, backed by Russian air support.
cont ...http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43427092

The Turks, while bombing civilians they call YPG (they have labeled them terrorists), say the Russian bombing of civilians the russians say are rebels is unacceptable.:rolleyes:

It can't get more stupid. Wonder what's going to happen when they run into each other.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

When has war ever not been a messy affair where people got killed, harmed, displaced and scattered about attempting to avoid its death and destruction.
And exactly why are the muslim rebel terrorists being heralded as the good guys in this conflict?
When they preach teach and live to HATE AND TRY TO DESTROY US!
While they now play us for fools in gaining our aid.
Assad is not our damn enemy, at least not in the more dangerous way that those muslim bastards are.
The traitor obama set us on the course of helping these muslim terrorist murdering scum , while he and his dem loving slavish media here, painted them as freedom loving, freedom fighters.
They are murdering savages hellbent on establishing the damn Muslim Caliphate, that went in and started murdering other muslims already there fighting Assad.
WE HAVE NO DAMN BUSINESS SUPPORTING THIS FFING VERMIN AND TRUMP HAS BEEN ROUNDLY AND SOUNDLY DECEIVED ABOUT ALL OF THIS IMHO..-TYR

[Gunny]

When has war ever not been a messy affair where people got killed, harmed, displaced and scattered about attempting to avoid its death and destruction.
And exactly why are the muslim rebel terrorists being heralded as the good guys in this conflict?
When they preach teach and live to HATE AND TRY TO DESTROY US!
While they now play us for fools in gaining our aid.
Assad is not our damn enemy, at least not in the more dangerous way that those muslim bastards are.
The traitor obama set us on the course of helping these muslim terrorist murdering scum , while he and his dem loving slavish media here, painted them as freedom loving, freedom fighters.
They are murdering savages hellbent on establishing the damn Muslim Caliphate, that went in and started murdering other muslims already there fighting Assad.
WE HAVE NO DAMN BUSINESS SUPPORTING THIS FFING VERMIN AND TRUMP HAS BEEN ROUNDLY AND SOUNDLY DECEIVED ABOUT ALL OF THIS IMHO..-TYR

The US position is this:

Anyone that wants to overthrow Assad we support. Assad is a ruthless dictator, guilty of human rights violations (whatever the F- "human rights" are :rolleyes:) so we, holding to pretentiousness of being all good and right and all, approve of his overthrow.

The Kurds we are supporting against ISIS are the same Kurds displaced during the First Gulf war that Saddam was using chemical agents on. They HAVE done a lot of our dirty work. They hold a chunk of land across the Syria-Iraq border where we enforced a no-fly zone on Saddam called Operation Northern Watch. Operation Southern Watch protected the muslims in the south of Iraq.

Unfortunately for them, there are Kurds in Turkey that Turkey has deemed enemies/a rebel force seeking to steal part of Southern Turkey. We are still supporting those Kurds as they have been helping with ISIS. Both the Syrian Govt and Turkish Govt have targeted them as just "more kurds". Turkey hates Syria and Syria hates Turkey. both hate kurds, Russia is supporting Syria. Iran is supporting Syria via Hezbollah, whom the Israeli's get an occasional pot shot on.

But the "why" is the same "why" as in Iraq. We're so stuck on stupid portraying this democratic idealism nobody believes anyway, we will support the retards against stable governments. Yes, Assad is and Saddam was ruthless human rights violators. They also kept the region stable and out of the hands of the ragheads.

I'll say it again. We need to bail. Let Russia and Iran and Syria run into Turkey, who I'm sure isn't planning on giving back ALL of Syria's land run into each other without us in the middle.

Or we just say fuck it and kick all their asses. Either way works for me. If Russia, Syria and Turkey want to kill ragheads I could care less. If all we're going to do is sit around like ducks in a shooting gallery, time to pull back to Iraq and wait. When they want to go after ISIS again, we can assist.