The U.S. Military Has a New 'Bullet' That Attacks At Mach Six (with 100 Mile Range)

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-military-apos-bullet-apos-032700460.html


The U.S. Military Has a New 'Bullet' That Attacks At Mach Six (with 100 Mile Range)
The National Interest Task and Purpose, Jared Keller,The National Interest Sat, Feb 3 10:27 PM EST

Task and Purpose, Jared Keller

Security, North America
And it's almost ready for war.
The U.S. Military Has a New 'Bullet' That Attacks At Mach Six (with 100 Mile Range)

The Department of Defense is preparing to test-fire a next-generation hypervelocity projectile (HVP) — a supersonic shell that can hit targets up to 100 nautical miles away at speeds approaching Mach 6 — in the next year, defense officials announced on Jan. 25, a development that could significantly augment that Pentagon’s existing missile defense systems.

The Navy’s Office of Naval Research started developing the HVP more than a decade ago as ammunition for its vaunted electromagnetic railgun system, and the Pentagon’s secretive Strategic Capabilities Office announced in 2016 that it had also engaged Army and Air Force to quickly develop a new Hypervelocity Gun Weapon System for the lethal new projectile. The platform’s applications are mainly defensive, protecting critical bases, ports, and warships from incoming missiles.

Speaking at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, HVP program manager Vincent Sabio declined to provide details on the new and improved projectile, beyond saying that the shell is engineered to defeat several different threats — with capabilities beyond the existing shells produced by defense contractors BAE.

“There may be different modes that it operates in,” Sabio said of the projectile. “We may tell it shortly after it comes out of the gun which type of a threat it is going after, and it will configure itself for that type of threat in terms of the dynamics — how does it maneuver, how does it close on the threat.”

Sabio argued that the new HVP could soon offer a lost-cost alternative to the standard Patriot Advanced Capability-3 (PAC-3) interceptors that fill mobile THAAD batteries around the world. At an estimated $3 million a shot, the DoD can only field so many Patriots at a time, Sabio said, resulting in sparse U.S. missile defense arsenals — and, in turn, allowing U.S. adversaries to literally “count interceptors” due to the easily identifiable profile of THAAD batteries.

“They know where our sites are, and they can simply play what we call the ‘plus-one game,’” Sabio said at CSIS. “They know if you have x number of interceptors, the absolute most they need to throw at you is x threats. And once you have fired your x interceptors, they pretty much own you.”

Patriot missiles also cost more, Sabio said; by contrast, the Navy’s PEO Integrated Warfare Systems office put the cost of an HVP around $85,000. That’s more than previous 2016 estimates of between $35,000 and $50,000 but significant savings over the cost of a single PAC-3.

With Patriots, “Our finger pauses over the fire button just because we know every time we push it we’re pushing a fair amount of money out of that launcher,” Sabio said. But with HVPs, “You can shoot a lot of those things and not feel badly about it.”

Beyond cost, the new HVP will offer a major tactical boost for forces downrange. While the DoD’s existing land- and sea-based interceptor vehicles perform fine against ballistic missiles, Sabio said, they don’t offer an optimal chance of success against incoming cruise missiles or hypersonic weapons — the latter of which have become a major focus for the China and Russian militaries and, in turn, necessitated a similar technological response from the Pentagon.

“We need to be able to address (all) types of threats: subsonic, supersonic; sea-skimming, land-hugging; coming in from above and dropping down on top of us,” said Sabio. “There are many different trajectories that we need to be able to deal with that we… cannot deal with effectively today.”

And rather than rely on the massively-complicated electromagnetic railgun to accelerate projectiles up to Mach 6, the next-generation HVP projectiles could end up firing from the Army’s 155 mm howitzers or the 5-inch deck guns aboard Navy destroyers and cruisers. Theoretically, wherever the Pentagon can send a giant gun, SCO’s beloved super-bullet can go, as well.

“Any place that you can take a 155, any place that you can take your Navy DDG, you have got an inexpensive, flexible air and missile defense capability,” Sabio said. “We’re kind of blending the offense and defense.”

Jared Keller is a senior editor at Task & Purpose and contributing editor at Pacific Standard. Follow Jared Keller on Twitter @JaredBKeller.

This article originally appeared at Task & Purpose.

That is wickedly fast and very, very long range too.-Tyr

[Balu]

That is wickedly fast and very, very long range too.-Tyr


Russia's hypersonic missile ratchets up arms race

Reports suggest Russia is preparing to test a hypersonic missile that would be almost impossible to intercept. The Zircon rocket will be capable of traveling up to six times the speed of sound.
http://www.dw.com/image/38192261_303.jpg (http://www.dw.com/en/russias-hypersonic-missile-ratchets-up-arms-race/a-38189763#) File picture of Russian anti-ship missile

Russia's planned 7,400 kilometer per hour (4,600 mile per hour) hypersonic missile is such a "quantum leap in technology," it could potentially render Western anti-aircraft defenses "obsolete," defense analyst Tim Ripley told DW.
If the new anti-ship technology succeeds, Zircon will be able to cover a distance of 250 kilometers (155 miles) in just 2.5 minutes - so fast as to make it almost immune to interception by conventional technology.
https://tvdownloaddw-a.akamaihd.net/stills/images/vdt/2017/beng170310_008_wvgabri_01f.jpg
Watch video 00:29

Germany's Gabriel warns of arms race with Russia


"It will greatly reduce the reaction time that they (Western military units) have to deploy their own defenses and counter-measures," said Ripley, who covers defense issues for "Jane's Defence Weekly" magazine.
Testing brought forward
After being in development for several years, Russia's Interfax news agency last month cited a source familiar with the Zircon project who said the 5-ton missile is likely to be tested for the first time this spring "from a sea-based platform." That's earlier than the original projected date of 2018. ...

http://www.dw.com/en/russias-hypersonic-missile-ratchets-up-arms-race/a-38189763
(http://www.dw.com/en/russias-hypersonic-missile-ratchets-up-arms-race/a-38189763)
I am not convinced that real time and data published in open sources are known for German Mass Media. This is not our tradition to let anybody know more than we want. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/yes3.gif

Those who are interested in may translate himself from Russian the following article:

https://www.kp.ru/daily/26505.4/3374465/

"...in August 2011, the general director of the corporation "Tactical Missile Armament" Boris Obnosov said that the Concern is embarking on the development of a missile capable of developing speed ... up to 12-13 Mach!

When one day a Pentagon official spokesman asked American journalists to comment on the appearance of "Zircon" with such data, he did not believe in them. And he said that the US specialists consider realistic only a missile flying faster than a sound 7 times. And 12-13 Machs, it's supposedly Russian fairy tales. What a fairy tale for Americans is, for us, is already true. It is clear that the information about the real characteristics of "Zircon" is kept in the strictest secrecy. And by a long tradition, designers and engineers deliberately underestimate the combat characteristics of their offspring. ..."

P.S.
A rhetorical question. Has anyone heard of the Caliber cruise missiles before they appeared in Syria? And who knows how many other playing cards we have in a sleeve?

[aboutime]

More HYPE from the PUTIN Propaganda machine...is all.



Yes, it's fast and long range. But not as fast, and long range accurate as this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyUh_xSjvXQ

And this American weapon can take out the RUSSIAN, MACH WHATEVER....faster!:salute:

[Balu]

More HYPE from the PUTIN Propaganda machine...is all.



Yes, it's fast and long range. But not as fast, and long range accurate as this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyUh_xSjvXQ

And this American weapon can take out the RUSSIAN, MACH WHATEVER....faster!:salute:

- Who said?
- CNN said!
- To whom?
- To Americans!

Now, watch and use your brains. And besides - The Earth has a shape of a Globe. :laugh::laugh::laugh:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfuKjR_7iqQ

[aboutime]

- Who said?
- CNN said! :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Balu.....Do you have any idea how fast THE SPEED OF LIGHT IS???

In ENGLISH.... 186,000 THOUSAND FEET.....PER SECOND.

How fast is your MACH..... These are your words below:
Russia's planned 7,400 kilometer per hour (4,600 mile per hour) hypersonic missile is such a "quantum leap in technology," it could potentially render Western anti-aircraft defenses "obsolete," defense analyst Tim Ripley told DW.
If the new anti-ship technology succeeds, Zircon will be able to cover a distance of 250 kilometers (155 miles) in just 2.5 minutes - so fast as to make it almost immune to interception by conventional technology.

IN THE EARTH'S ATMOSPHERE....Your Hypersonic missile would BURN UP in the atmosphere either going UP, or if it could...coming DOWN.

LASER is faster than 4,600 MPH.
READ IT FOR YOURSELF....
What is the Speed of Light? - Universe Today
https://www.universetoday.com/38040/speed-of-light-2/
Sep 1, 2016 - That works out to 299,792,458 m/s, or about 670,616,629 mph (miles per hour). To put that in perspective, if you could travel at the speed of light, you would be able to circumnavigate the globe approximately seven and a half times in one second.

[Balu]

Balu.....Do you have any idea how fast THE SPEED OF LIGHT IS???

In ENGLISH.... 186,000 THOUSAND FEET.....PER SECOND.

How fast is your MACH..... These are your words below:
Russia's planned 7,400 kilometer per hour (4,600 mile per hour) hypersonic missile is such a "quantum leap in technology," it could potentially render Western anti-aircraft defenses "obsolete," defense analyst Tim Ripley told DW.
If the new anti-ship technology succeeds, Zircon will be able to cover a distance of 250 kilometers (155 miles) in just 2.5 minutes - so fast as to make it almost immune to interception by conventional technology.

IN THE EARTH'S ATMOSPHERE....Your Hypersonic missile would BURN UP in the atmosphere either going UP, or if it could...coming DOWN.

LASER is faster than 4,600 MPH.
READ IT FOR YOURSELF....
What is the Speed of Light? - Universe Today
https://www.universetoday.com/38040/speed-of-light-2/
Sep 1, 2016 - That works out to 299,792,458 m/s, or about 670,616,629 mph (miles per hour). To put that in perspective, if you could travel at the speed of light, you would be able to circumnavigate the globe approximately seven and a half times in one second.
A added my post a bit. Do not hesitate to read and try to understand the sense. :laugh:

[aboutime]

A added my post a bit. Do not hesitate to read and try to understand the sense. :laugh:


What is that supposed to tell me Balu? I served in the U.S. Navy for 30 years, on 6 different ships, and I spent many, many months on ships in sea's like that...or worse. Here's my favorite that made me a TIN CAN SAILOR....
http://www.seaforces.org/usnships/ddg/DDG-43-USS-Dahlgren-Dateien/image041.jpg

This was long before we had Video camera's, email, and Youtube.
https://rlv.zcache.com/ddg_43_uss_dahlgren_guided_missile_destroyer_milit _postcard-r06eb3d0cf4b34bd9aa6b2b63e7bd91df_vgbaq_8byvr_324. jpg

[Balu]

What is that supposed to tell me Balu? I served in the U.S. Navy for 30 years, on 6 different ships, and I spent many, many months on ships in sea's like that...or worse. Here's my favorite that made me a TIN CAN SAILOR....


It sounds strange. With such an experience you should have known that besides calm and cloudless sky there may be storms and fogs. And stabilizing systems of a ship can partly compensate rolling and can not compensate pitching. Besides the visibility is restricted IN ANY case because of the shape of the Earth as the laser beam spreads rectilinearly and can not bend the Earth as radio waves of long and medium-wave range. :laugh:

[aboutime]

It sounds strange. With such an experience you should have known that besides calm and cloudless sky there may be storms and fogs. And stabilizing systems of a ship can partly compensate rolling and can not compensate pitching. Besides the visibility is restricted IN ANY case because of the shape of the Earth as the laser beam spreads rectilinearly and can not bend the Earth as radio waves of long and medium-wave range. :laugh:



I give up with you Balu. We are both on different planets here. It is sad that you think I have no intelligence other than looking up into the sky, and waiting for Pigs to Fly.

Call me when you catch up with the rest of the world....say, 50 years from now???

[Balu]

I give up with you Balu. We are both on different planets here. It is sad that you think I have no intelligence other than looking up into the sky, and waiting for Pigs to Fly.

Call me when you catch up with the rest of the world....say, 50 years from now???
It's true. But physics has not been canceled yet (sections of mechanics and optics). :slap:

[NightTrain]

Russia's hypersonic missile ratchets up arms race

Reports suggest Russia is preparing to test a hypersonic missile that would be almost impossible to intercept. The Zircon rocket will be capable of traveling up to six times the speed of sound.
http://www.dw.com/image/38192261_303.jpg (http://www.dw.com/en/russias-hypersonic-missile-ratchets-up-arms-race/a-38189763#) File picture of Russian anti-ship missile

Russia's planned 7,400 kilometer per hour (4,600 mile per hour) hypersonic missile is such a "quantum leap in technology," it could potentially render Western anti-aircraft defenses "obsolete," defense analyst Tim Ripley told DW.



An interesting dilemma. Due to the curvature of the earth, at 100' above sea level the horizon is 12.2 miles away. I don't know if a laser hitting a missile traveling at Mach 6 will have enough time to melt it since obviously the best path is skimming the waves inbound, so the better bet for defense would be a wall of lead courtesy of the Phalanx or the new 155mm based cannons being tested that I was reading about earlier today.

As measures and countermeasures develop, I think what will ultimately be the most reliable weapons are kinetics that can't be fooled by decoys and countermeasures, both offensive and defensive. Hypersonic slabs of lead traveling Mach 6+ will be impossible to stop in the short time available from detection to impact.

[aboutime]

An interesting dilemma. Due to the curvature of the earth, at 100' above sea level the horizon is 12.2 miles away. I don't know if a laser hitting a missile traveling at Mach 6 will have enough time to melt it since obviously the best path is skimming the waves inbound, so the better bet for defense would be a wall of lead courtesy of the Phalanx or the new 155mm based cannons being tested that I was reading about earlier today.

As measures and countermeasures develop, I think what will ultimately be the most reliable weapons are kinetics that can't be fooled by decoys and countermeasures, both offensive and defensive. Hypersonic slabs of lead traveling Mach 6+ will be impossible to stop in the short time available from detection to impact.

NightTrain....but....here's the Kicker I didn't mention....on purpose.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmkYcEcSLvA


Speed, and curvature of the Earth below the 747 is not a problem.

[Balu]

NightTrain....but....here's the Kicker I didn't mention....on purpose.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmkYcEcSLvA


Speed, and curvature of the Earth below the 747 is not a problem.

A little fun. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/light_skin/mosking.gif

"...An interesting case occurred in 1984. Laser locator - it was an integral part of the "Terra" - the American shuttle "Challenger" was irradiated, which led to disruption in communications and malfunctions of other ship equipment. The crew felt a sudden malaise. The Americans quickly realized that the cause of the problems on board the shuttle was some kind of electromagnetic impact from the territory of the Soviet Union and protested. This fact can be called the only practical application of the laser during the Cold War. ..."

https://militaryarms.ru/novye-texnologii/lazernoe-oruzhie/

[Drummond]

A little fun. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/light_skin/mosking.gif

"...An interesting case occurred in 1984. Laser locator - it was an integral part of the "Terra" - the American shuttle "Challenger" was irradiated, which led to disruption in communications and malfunctions of other ship equipment. The crew felt a sudden malaise. The Americans quickly realized that the cause of the problems on board the shuttle was some kind of electromagnetic impact from the territory of the Soviet Union and protested. This fact can be called the only practical application of the laser during the Cold War. ..."

https://militaryarms.ru/novye-texnologii/lazernoe-oruzhie/

Interesting. Tyr started this thread about a bullet which had a fast speed and long range. Now, Balu, you're talking about an action taken by your country to target and, it seems, attack the Challenger shuttle ?!?

Wow.

So, tell me. What threat to 'mother Russia' did Challenger pose ?

The one 'saving grace' in all of this is that the now dead (rotted from within) Soviet empire was responsible for this apparent (certainly unbidden) attack. But it does still bring into sharp question just how belligerent the present-day Russian regime is intent upon being. Just talk about a fast bullet has you responding, apparently with pride, about your country's offensive capabilities. Why, Balu, would you ever need to develop an un-interceptable missile ? Surely, such a design and planned-for capability best has its uses as a purely offensive weapon, where the launcher of it was determined to make sure than an attack could not possibly be stopped ?

It seems a rather over-the-top technology for a weapon to be used against terrorist factions, for example, where you'd not expect their capabilities to come close to matching your own. So -- what other, higher grade, power did you have in mind, during its development ?

[Gunny]

Interesting. Tyr started this thread about a bullet which had a fast speed and long range. Now, Balu, you're talking about an action taken by your country to target and, it seems, attack the Challenger shuttle ?!?

Wow.

So, tell me. What threat to 'mother Russia' did Challenger pose ?

The one 'saving grace' in all of this is that the now dead (rotted from within) Soviet empire was responsible for this apparent (certainly unbidden) attack. But it does still bring into sharp question just how belligerent the present-day Russian regime is intent upon being. Just talk about a fast bullet has you responding, apparently with pride, about your country's offensive capabilities. Why, Balu, would you ever need to develop an un-interceptable missile ? Surely, such a design and planned-for capability best has its uses as a purely offensive weapon, where the launcher of it was determined to make sure than an attack could not possibly be stopped ?

It seems a rather over-the-top technology for a weapon to be used against terrorist factions, for example, where you'd not expect their capabilities to come close to matching your own. So -- what other, higher grade, power did you have in mind, during its development ?You know, if Balu would knock pff all his playground one-upsmanship crap and discuss something interesting besides how tough his country is, might be worth the read.

As it stands ... November 1963 - USA 1 USSR 0

And if their weaponry is so "high tech", why is Assad using chlorine gas against farmers?

[Drummond]

You know, if Balu would knock pff all his playground one-upsmanship crap and discuss something interesting besides how tough his country is, might be worth the read.

As it stands ... November 1963 - USA 1 USSR 0

And if their weaponry is so "high tech", why is Assad using chlorine gas against farmers?

It's a pity that Balu has such a need to advertise a belligerent mindset - an overriding desire to push the idea of the West being forever 'bested', militarily - when it would be a far more productive exercise to just discuss, swap ideas and perspectives, in a calm, reasonable, and dispassionate manner.

What good is all this 'us v them' confrontational talk ? Except to maybe convince us that Russia cannot be considered to be anything other than a rival power, one to be forever guarded against ?

Well ... if that must be the reality in play, so be it. But it's something of a pity. Balu has an opportunity here in his interactions with other board members. To squander it, instead, on playground one-upmanship nonsense achieves precisely nothing of any value.

[Gunny]

It's a pity that Balu has such a need to advertise a belligerent mindset - an overriding desire to push the idea of the West being forever 'bested', militarily - when it would be a far more productive exercise to just discuss, swap ideas and perspectives, in a calm, reasonable, and dispassionate manner.

What good is all this 'us v them' confrontational talk ? Except to maybe convince us that Russia cannot be considered to be anything other than a rival power, one to be forever guarded against ?

Well ... if that must be the reality in play, so be it. But it's something of a pity. Balu has an opportunity here in his interactions with other board members. To squander it, instead, on playground one-upmanship nonsense achieves precisely nothing of any value.I like listening to people from other countries. I don't want to hear how tough they are. I'm a US Marine. Start talking junk and you'll get twice as much back. Had a Turk on a board I ran awhile back who was the same way. Always trying to impress everyone with how great Turkey is. Just another Iraq under Saddam Hussein by another name.

This is how Balu plays: After you beat his trash-talking so many times, he puts you on ignore. Makes him no better than an Antifa thug. Silence your critics. If you can't stand the heat, don't start a fire. I refuse to use ignore. Want to talk crap? I want to see what the enemy is up to, not pretend he's not there. I certainly hope his military is smarter than he is.

[Drummond]

I like listening to people from other countries. I don't want to hear how tough they are. I'm a US Marine. Start talking junk and you'll get twice as much back. Had a Turk on a board I ran awhile back who was the same way. Always trying to impress everyone with how great Turkey is. Just another Iraq under Saddam Hussein by another name.

This is how Balu plays: After you beat his trash-talking so many times, he puts you on ignore. Makes him no better than an Antifa thug. Silence your critics. If you can't stand the heat, don't start a fire. I refuse to use ignore. Want to talk crap? I want to see what the enemy is up to, not pretend he's not there. I certainly hope his military is smarter than he is.

Yep -- well said.

Me -- I also hate the 'ignore' option. Those who need to use it are basically those who can't stand the heat. Those who have weak arguments, or just can't stand to take good opposition to what is said. I have precisely ONE person on 'ignore' on this forum, and it took literally years of useless argument to convince me that no other useful option existed.

Propagandists, it seems to me, need to use that option on a regular basis.

[aboutime]

Yep -- well said.

Me -- I also hate the 'ignore' option. Those who need to use it are basically those who can't stand the heat. Those who have weak arguments, or just can't stand to take good opposition to what is said. I have precisely ONE person on 'ignore' on this forum, and it took literally years of useless argument to convince me that no other useful option existed.

Propagandists, it seems to me, need to use that option on a regular basis.

Gunny, and Sir Drummond. I didn't see the talk about the Challenger. But I wonder if Balu even knows...All of our Space Shuttles were traveling at little more than 25,000 Miles Per Hour?

The Earth Spins at 25k, and in order for the Shuttle to meet up with the SPACE STATION, at it's level, and speed. It must travel weightlessly....at 25k. Much faster than Balu's FAST ROCKET.

But, at no time is anything MAN MADE capable of traveling faster than THE SPEED OF LIGHT.
It's just a FACT.