No Wall, No DACA

[jimnyc]

I hope he stands his ground on this one.

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'No Wall, No DACA' - Trump Speaks from Camp David

President Donald J. Trump’s wall along the southern border will cost at least $18 billion, per a Congressional source first reported by The Wall Street Journal. But, President Trump insists that Mexico will pay for the wall and that Democrats will agree to it.

According to The Wall Street Journal's source, the Department of Homeland Security has requested 316 miles of new fencing plus an additional 407 miles of reinforcing fencing to be built over the next decade, costing taxpayers $18 billion.

According to NBC News, Democrats are already condemning the plan. Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois, the minority whip, called the request "outrageous."


"President Trump has said he may need a good government shutdown to get his wall. With this demand, he seems to be heading in that direction," Durbin said in a statement. He said that the administration was undercutting bipartisan efforts to help those protected by DACA with the $18 billion request and other immigration demands.

This figures comes as President Trump stated again today that he believes Mexico will pay for the wall. Trump was speaking to reporters from Camp David, where he is planning his 2018 agenda with Republican leaders this weekend.

“I believe Mexico will pay for the wall. I have a very good relationship with Mexico,” Mr. Trump told reporters.

He also added that construction of the border wall, a key tenant of his campaign, is absolutely necessary for any sort of deal on President Obama’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program. DACA has allowed thousands of illegal aliens brought into the country by their parents as children to stay in the United States, despite lack of proper citizenship.

It seems now that Trump is willing to compromise or grant amnesty to DACA recipients in exchange for the wall. “We want the wall,” Trump said. “The wall is going to happen, or we’re not going to have DACA.”

As noted by the Washington Post, for years Democrats have supported strong border security and even funding of a wall or fence along the border:


On the other side of the debate, wall proponents are perplexed why Democrats are voicing such vociferous opposition.

In 2006, President George W. Bush signed into law the Secure Fence Act, a bill that authorized the construction of hundreds of miles of fencing along the border. That legislation was approved with broad bipartisan support, including, in the Senate, by such Democratic luminaries as Barack Obama (Ill.), Hillary Clinton (N.Y.), Joe Biden (Del.) and Charles E. Schumer (N.Y.), now the Senate minority leader.

“Where I don’t understand the pushback is, in 2013 if everybody was for the 700 miles of double fencing, but now they’re not for it because Trump calls it a wall — to me that does not make sense,” said Brandon Judd, president of the National Border Patrol Council, the labor union for the border patrol agents. “Whether we call it a fence or call it a wall, it acts as the exact same thing — a physical barrier that makes it more difficult to enter the United States illegally. I don’t understand the whole fight over this.”

Rest - https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2018/01/06/trump-demands-full-border-wall-funding-and-security-in-daca-negotiations-n2430929

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I hope he stands his ground on this one.

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'No Wall, No DACA' - Trump Speaks from Camp David

President Donald J. Trump’s wall along the southern border will cost at least $18 billion, per a Congressional source first reported by The Wall Street Journal. But, President Trump insists that Mexico will pay for the wall and that Democrats will agree to it.

According to The Wall Street Journal's source, the Department of Homeland Security has requested 316 miles of new fencing plus an additional 407 miles of reinforcing fencing to be built over the next decade, costing taxpayers $18 billion.

According to NBC News, Democrats are already condemning the plan. Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois, the minority whip, called the request "outrageous."



This figures comes as President Trump stated again today that he believes Mexico will pay for the wall. Trump was speaking to reporters from Camp David, where he is planning his 2018 agenda with Republican leaders this weekend.

“I believe Mexico will pay for the wall. I have a very good relationship with Mexico,” Mr. Trump told reporters.

He also added that construction of the border wall, a key tenant of his campaign, is absolutely necessary for any sort of deal on President Obama’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program. DACA has allowed thousands of illegal aliens brought into the country by their parents as children to stay in the United States, despite lack of proper citizenship.

It seems now that Trump is willing to compromise or grant amnesty to DACA recipients in exchange for the wall. “We want the wall,” Trump said. “The wall is going to happen, or we’re not going to have DACA.”

As noted by the Washington Post, for years Democrats have supported strong border security and even funding of a wall or fence along the border:



Rest - https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2018/01/06/trump-demands-full-border-wall-funding-and-security-in-daca-negotiations-n2430929

723 miles of fencing plus maintenance and guards ,for 18 billions comes 2,489,626,556 dollars per mile,if even projected to cover the ten years that is at least 24.8 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR PER MILE!
NUMBERS SEEM WAY, WAY WAY TOO HIGH IN MY OPINION.
Question is, are they inflated so greatly to give pause and cause to use by the camp against building the wall or inflated so that special entities can rape the taxpayers??

[Gunny]

Mistake. Trump's original sell was the "Wall" AND no DACA. If he caves on DACA for a wall that will certainly be stalled until the Dems regain power, he's going to have a lot of people to answer to. The Wall and DACA are both points that got him elected.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Mistake. Trump's original sell was the "Wall" AND no DACA. If he caves on DACA for a wall that will certainly be stalled until the Dems regain power, he's going to have a lot of people to answer to. The Wall and DACA are both points that got him elected.

True but it is his own party , the RINO Repubs that are forcing a compromise IMHO.
AS IF THEY ARE WANTING HIM TO NOT GET A SECOND TERM--WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT MANY OF THE BASTARDS WANT!
THEY ARE FFING MAGGOTS, IMHO
NOT EVEN WORTH THE COST OF THE GUNPOWDER THAT IT WOULD TAKE TO BLOW THEIR FFING BRAINS OUT WITH.
I have no sympathy for such ffing vermin.
If ever there were to be a future civil war here(God Forbid), they should be the first ones stood up against a wall, IMHO.-Tyr

[hjmick]

$18,000,000,000.00?


I thought Mexico was going to pay for the wall? Why the fuck is he asking Congress for $18,000,000,000.00?

[Gunny]

True but it is his own party , the RINO Repubs that are forcing a compromise IMHO.
AS IF THEY ARE WANTING HIM TO NOT GET A SECOND TERM--WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT MANY OF THE BASTARDS WANT!
THEY ARE FFING MAGGOTS, IMHO
NOT EVEN WORTH THE COST OF THE GUNPOWDER THAT IT WOULD TAKE TO BLOW THEIR FFING BRAINS OUT WITH.
I have no sympathy for such ffing vermin.
If ever there were to be a future civil war here(God Forbid), they should be the first ones stood up against a wall, IMHO.-TyrDon't know where you came up with that idea. Why would the Republicans want Trump to lose? That would be just stupid. They have no one to run against him for one thing, and traditionally, the party in power does not run against their own incumbent.

Regardless what all the la-la land dwellers in their rose colored glasses want to believe, the Dems are going to come for blood. Trump will be lucky to win as it is. The only thing the Republicans have going this minute is the Dimbulbs don't have anyone to shove out in front worth a fuck, even to Dimbulbs. Lest we forget though, Obama came out of nowhere.

There's no secret here. I'd as soon vote for anyone BUT Trump. Except a leftwingnut, fascist Dem. The hard cold truth minus a miracle is the right is stuck with Trump if they want even a chance to win.

Don't leave out the Trump supporters when it comes to creating a loss, either. There's a thread on here I chose to not respond to that is nothing but an insult to those who don't like Trump. "We just don't get it". That's the game the left has always played against the right that the right has bitched about for decades. Suddenly it's cool to play against your own? THERE's a brilliant way to win the hearts and minds of voters, and Trump is going to need every single one he can get.

Yes, we DO get it. A lot of us voted for Trump even if we had to hold our noses to do it. What do we get? Lumped in with some insulting, patronizing name like "nevertrumper" which is NOT name calling while calling a Trump supporter a Trumpee is. Go figure.

There's a LOT of people that need to pull their heads out of their asses to make this work or we can might as well resign ourselves to another Czar posing as President.

[Gunny]

$18,000,000,000.00?


I thought Mexico was going to pay for the wall? Why the fuck is he asking Congress for $18,000,000,000.00?That was never a straight up deal. It's a smoke-n-mirror promise. We foot the bill. IIRC (and don't attribute this to Trump as I don't remember where I heard it), we pay initial cost. We get our money back by keeping illegals out and our money here; and, drug bust forfeitures.

In other words, we're paying for the Wall, if there ever is one, and always were. You didn't :read:

[High_Plains_Drifter]

1. BUILD THE WALL
2. END CHAIN MIGRATION
3. END THE VISA LOTTERY
4. END ANCHOR BABIES
5. VOTER ID
6. Dems have a REALLY hard time EVER winning another election.

If the republicans in Washington are too STUPID to see that this is a GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY to STAY IN POWER, then they're truly some IGNORANT, WORTHLESS sons a bitches.

[Gunny]

1. BUILD THE WALL
2. END CHAIN MIGRATION
3. END THE VISA LOTTERY
4. END ANCHOR BABIES
5. VOTER ID
6. Dems have a REALLY hard time EVER winning another election.

If the republicans in Washington are too STUPID to see that this is GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY to STAY IN POWER, then they're truly some IGNORANT, WORTHLESS sons a bitches.I think I just said that. I'd like to see a list of holders from the 90s Contract with America/lifer crew, and how many of them are still worth a flip.

We should have run them out long ago. "We" being the voters. We've had time to start over more than once since their failure to accomplish anything.

[del]

$18,000,000,000.00?


I thought Mexico was going to pay for the wall? Why the fuck is he asking Congress for $18,000,000,000.00?

he'd never lie to you


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yfIxBjOw3o

:laugh:

he's a very stable genius, you know


:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:: laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:


p.t. barnum was right

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

he'd never lie to you


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yfIxBjOw3o

:laugh:

he's a very stable genius, you know


:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:: laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:


p.t. barnum was right

This nation has ways to force MEK E-KO to pay, you and your kind are just afraid he will get enough support from his own party to do so.
Myself, start shooting them as they cross would only take one day to stop it. Try illegally crossing borders in those socialist nations that you and your kind so glorify and see how fast you get arrest/or shot.
P. T. Barnum was speaking about people like you, IMHO.
Dedicated liberal/socialist/dem partisans that basically haven't a damn clue.-TYR

[Black Diamond]

I thought it had been explained that it would be paid for via tariffs and other trade instruments (shrug)

[High_Plains_Drifter]

And obama said, "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor," and that was a bald faced lie, and he KNEW it.

But the demtwits CONVENIENTLY forget about the kenyan's many gargantuan lies.

There's lots of ways and lots of time yet for president Trump to get Mexico to pay for the wall. The fat lady hasn't even cleared her throat yet.

[jimnyc]

I thought it had been explained that it would be paid for via tariffs and other trade instruments (shrug)

He stated as much a few times to a few thousand times. But did you expect liberals and Trump haters to listen and/or comprehend?

[Black Diamond]

And obama said, "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor," and that was a bald faced lie, and he KNEW it.

But the demtwits CONVENIENTLY forget about the kenyan's many gargantuan lies.

There's lots of ways and lots of time yet for president Trump to get Mexico to pay for the wall. The fat lady hasn't even cleared her throat yet.
When Hillary sings it's all over ? Or Rosie ?

[Elessar]

When Hillary sings it's all over ? Or Rosie ?

A Duet?:laugh:

[Gunny]

I thought it had been explained that it would be paid for via tariffs and other trade instruments (shrug)That's why you haven't seen any new trade tariffs but you HAVE seen a request to Congress for funding. We'll pay for it.

Doesn't matter either way. A wall is obsolete as it sits on the drawing board. They wetbacks will have a better subway system under that thing than NYC before it's complete. A static line is nothing more than an obstacle to negotiate. Wetbacks give their entire lives, families, possessions - to come here and go through Hell just to get TO the border. You think one more fence means shit to them?

Tyr's got the right idea, but it's too messy for pussies that want to hide behind a wall and declare the job done. Man the border with US troops. And that posse comitatus BS the left always tries to pull should not apply. If those troops are facing OUTBOARD, defending our sovereign border, they are NOT being deployed against citizens of the US.

The Federal Government has the authority to withhold funding from states not in compliance with Federal law. They've been threatening states with withholding highway funds for decades. Congress, the President and/or the Supreme Court ALL have the authority to put that US Circuit Court judge in his place. Getting them to do it is the hard part. Was I Trump, I'd take it to the Supreme Court. Illegal immigration IS a matter of National security simply by its existence.

Trump himself however, is secondary to the issue of enforcing immigration laws. They were here before him and they'll be here after he's gone.