The Bible is Mistranslated - Sin Means Monetary Debt

[GravyBoat]

Professor and researcher, Michael Hudson, says the Holy Bible has been mistranslated for a long time. He says that "sin" means monetary debt, and that the "forgiveness of sins" means a debt jubilee, like they did in ancient times, which is like bankruptcy today. Sin doesn't mean a moral interpretation of right and wrong. Therefore, Jesus died for our monetary debts.

I've long said, religion is nothing more than man's attempt to deny himself the importance of money. I've never believed in the concept of "Original Sin" or that I'm condemned for not accepting Jesus. Then consider the weird mushroom cult stuff of Ancient Hebrews and Churches, today's churches and synagogues are even weirder because their legacy is forgotten.

Also, because they don't know where they came from, many churches are split by schisms; abortion, gay marriage, gay ministry, differing biblical interpretations. The Church of England will soon split over the issue of sodomy. Although you don't have to be religious to know that sodomy is wrong, you just have to be a pervert to know that sodomy is right.

Here's some recent populist nonsense you'll hear in many churches: "God hates the sin but loves the sinner." Wrong. That's like saying, "God loves purple but red and blue." Churches have become schizophrenic. Ever since the burning of the Library in Alexandria, the single most disastrous event in human history, nothing's been the same.

Anyway, here's the link to Michael Hudson and the real meaning of sin:

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/12/michael-hudson-died-debt-not-sins.html

[darin]

he's wrong too. his premise is ridiculous.

(shrug)

Luke uses 'hamartía' - which means in essence 'a self-created failure - to miss the mark, to fail, a failure or failures." In the context of the prayer it's rightly translated as 'sin'.

Mathew prefered opheiletēs - in talking about those who owe us by means of them failing us. In the context of the prayer it's rightly translated as 'those who sin against us'

But taking specific words without considering common use and context shows intellectual dishonesty.

More silliness in that link:

"...Crucifixion being a punishment reserved especially for political dissidents."

Such bullshit because to the Romans anything counter-roman-law was 'political dissidence' in a way. It's like saying "They did that only for criminals!" Stupid. Written account tells us Romans crucified as a punishment for traitors, rebels, robbers and criminal slaves. Rudimentary research would have brought that to light before the guy wrote his dribble.


Adding to that - if one believes scripture, one knows 'sin' or 'debts' are already paid and over-with. The ending has already happened or is-happening in one big cosmic 'now' as God resides outside of time itself. Thus, everything that 'will' happen from our perspective has already happened from another perspective. And sin and death are no-more and there is nothing to stress, debate, worry, accuse, or feel guilty about.

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[Abbey Marie]

he's wrong too. his premise is ridiculous.

(shrug)

...
More silliness in that link:

"...Crucifixion being a punishment reserved especially for political dissidents."

Such bullshit because to the Romans anything counter-roman-law was 'political dissidence' in a way. It's like saying "They did that only for criminals!" Stupid. Written account tells us Romans crucified as a punishment for traitors, rebels, robbers and criminal slaves. Rudimentary research would have brought that to light before the guy wrote his dribble.
...


Yup. I thought everyone knew the Bible says there was plain ol' thief on one side of Jesus.

[aboutime]

GRAVY BOAT IS SIN...in his own words.

[GravyBoat]

I see the peanut gallery has made their showing, all nuts, all the time, no waiting.

:laugh:

[Black Diamond]

I see the peanut gallery has made their showing, all nuts, all the time, no waiting.

:laugh:
Says the anti-American self loathing Anti-Semitic Jew who thinks the World Trade Center collapsing is a joke.

[Abbey Marie]

I see the peanut gallery has made their showing, all nuts, all the time, no waiting.

:laugh:


Yes, we long-time members who post here all the time wouldn't be so rude as to ignore you. We have sooo much to teach you. But I suspect it is just pearls before swine in your case.

However, do tell me, do you think the collapse of the WTC is funny, or are you that confused choosing avatars? It's kinda important, so please do answer.

[Gunny]

I see the peanut gallery has made their showing, all nuts, all the time, no waiting.

:laugh:Peanut gallery? Looks to me like the person you completely failed to respond to - darin - hammered your lame ass into peanut butter. :buttkick:

[GravyBoat]

Yes, we long-time members who post here all the time wouldn't be so rude as to ignore you. We have sooo much to teach you. But I suspect it is just pearls before swine in your case.

However, do tell me, do you think the collapse of the WTC is funny, or are you that confused choosing avatars? It's kinda important, so please do answer.

No, of course the collapse of the WTC isn't funny, I didn't realize y'all were so offended by it. Do you think I should get a new one?

[GravyBoat]

Peanut gallery? Looks to me like the person you completely failed to respond to - darin - hammered your lame ass into peanut butter. :buttkick:

No, I responded to Darin. See where I said "all nuts, all the time". And that goes for you, too.

:dance:

[Gunny]

No, I responded to Darin. See where I said "all nuts, all the time". And that goes for you, too.

:dance:Incorrect. Had you responded to Darin in kind there would be something semi-intelligent spewing forth from your over-used probably in both directions suck. Your response translates into: "Wah! I just took the big green one high and hard in the bobo by one of my betters."

As far as it going for "me too", that's nice. I didn't bother to respond to your blather as it is some goofball's fantasy from the first sentence; therefore, your cheese-dick response would NOT apply to me.

But you keep on trying shit for brains. Didn't momma hug you enough as a baby? Or'd you get dropped on your grape into a sewer?

[aboutime]

GRAVY BOATS equate to Trolls, floating in cesspool water, treated with Liberal amounts of DNC generated Lies. The outcome will finally be the result of DRAINING GRAVY BOATS from the SWAMP of IGNORANCE, HATRED, AND STUPIDITY.

The entertainment factor of members like GRAVY are as funny as Roadkill on I-95.

REST IN PEACE GRAVY....https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSImb51QynyI5NaEhR2DW8GKb4LCVh4h 2RQgb2RWsqcQy7vR8Wn

[Abbey Marie]

No, of course the collapse of the WTC isn't funny, I didn't realize y'all were so offended by it. Do you think I should get a new one?

So what did the avatar mean then? Maybe I am missing the point...

[Gunny]

So what did the avatar mean then? Maybe I am missing the point...Looked prety anti-US and disrespectful toward victims' families from where I sit.

[GravyBoat]

So what did the avatar mean then? Maybe I am missing the point...

It was Sideshow Bob from 'The Simpsons' is what it means.

[Russ]

Professor and researcher, Michael Hudson, says the Holy Bible has been mistranslated for a long time. He says that "sin" means monetary debt, and that the "forgiveness of sins" means a debt jubilee, like they did in ancient times, which is like bankruptcy today. Sin doesn't mean a moral interpretation of right and wrong. Therefore, Jesus died for our monetary debts.


This has to be one of the stupidest and most offensive ideas posted all year. And with this being December 28th, I have to hand it to you, GB, you stole the trophy for "Year's Stupidest and Most Offensive Post" at the absolute eleventh hour. Of course, you may have just stolen it from one of your own previous posts - I'll have to go back and check on that.

This is just a Marxist Economics professor trying to sell books by making outrageous claims about Christianity, something which he has no education or knowledge of, and probably has some resentment toward, for some reason. It's not even worth reading.

[Abbey Marie]

It was Sideshow Bob from 'The Simpsons' is what it means.

Yes. And why is he in front of the WTC while it's on fire?

[GravyBoat]

Yes. And why is he in front of the WTC while it's on fire?

Why? How should I know, but that was his hair. Look, it's just a cartoon not real.

[GravyBoat]

Also, did someone here change my signature before, like yesterday? If so, the courteous thing to do is ask me to change it or tell me about it.

[Gunny]

Also, did someone here change my signature before, like yesterday? If so, the courteous thing to do is ask me to change it or tell me about it.?

[Black Diamond]

Why? How should I know, but that was his hair. Look, it's just a cartoon not real.
it is dispicable. Real or not.

[Gunny]

it is dispicable. Real or not.No impartiality at all here. I hate the Simpson. NO WAY were my kids watching that smartass little shit for brains and giving them any ideas. I already had to deal with what they learned from people at school.

[Abbey Marie]

Why? How should I know, but that was his hair. Look, it's just a cartoon not real.

Then poor judgment at best.

[Abbey Marie]

Also, did someone here change my signature before, like yesterday? If so, the courteous thing to do is ask me to change it or tell me about it.

Only staff can do that, and I did not. Nor have I heard anyone mention it.

[GravyBoat]

Only staff can do that, and I did not. Nor have I heard anyone mention it.

Okay, I'll try again sometime.

[Gunny]

Okay, I'll try again sometime.Try "WHAT AGAIN", exactly? That is a serious accusation, and you KNOW what the implication and signal is to others when you post some shit like that on a message board. Did you think one of us was not going to pursue the issue?

We don't screw with your personal shit unless it violates board policy or is just WAY over the top. Take your avatar for example. You were questioned about it and given some rather blunt feedback on what people thought of it. YOU changed it. No one made you. No one changed your sig line and I DID ask.

Now, I consider pulling that chicken little shit on the other members of the board unacceptable behavior.

So, if trying to plant your little seeds of mistrust among members of the board is what you are going to "try again", I suggest not.

If you have a legitimate complaint you can PM any admin/mod with it, or report the post and it WILL BE addressed. Hope that's all clear enough for you.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

People... this gravy fucker is a waste of your time.

Google "lost cause," and you'll find him.

[GravyBoat]

This is just a Marxist Economics professor trying to sell books by making outrageous claims about Christianity, something which he has no education or knowledge of, and probably has some resentment toward, for some reason. It's not even worth reading.

Oh gosh, he's a Marxist professor. Golly, we better bomb all the campuses because the Domino Effect. Beware the Marxists, woe.

Russ, do you see Communist plots throughout your day? It means your tinfoil hat is slipping. A little lithium wouldn't hurt either.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

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[aboutime]

We used what the navy, and international comms call Q & Z signals to abbreviate long words, or sentences. Then I remembered how WE comm people would describe people like GRAVY. Figure it out for yourself Gravy.

There was an electronic circuit called..."India Delta 10 Tango" it applies so well here for you Gravy.
It could be sent in Morse Code Key, or Flashing Light, Teletype, and Semaphore

[Gunny]

Oh gosh, he's a Marxist professor. Golly, we better bomb all the campuses because the Domino Effect. Beware the Marxists, woe.

Russ, do you see Communist plots throughout your day? It means your tinfoil hat is slipping. A little lithium wouldn't hurt either.Tinfoil hat? Like the one that tells you that you are even a lousy satirist?

[GravyBoat]

Try "WHAT AGAIN", exactly? That is a serious accusation, and you KNOW what the implication and signal is to others when you post some shit like that on a message board. Did you think one of us was not going to pursue the issue?

We don't screw with your personal shit unless it violates board policy or is just WAY over the top. Take your avatar for example. You were questioned about it and given some rather blunt feedback on what people thought of it. YOU changed it. No one made you. No one changed your sig line and I DID ask.

Now, I consider pulling that chicken little shit on the other members of the board unacceptable behavior.

So, if trying to plant your little seeds of mistrust among members of the board is what you are going to "try again", I suggest not.

If you have a legitimate complaint you can PM any admin/mod with it, or report the post and it WILL BE addressed. Hope that's all clear enough for you.

Gunny, I said "try again" to mean I'd try uploading the signature again, that's all. How that pertains to what you said is beyond my level of comprehension. You see, you speak at such a high level of genius it's easy for me to misunderstand you, because I've only an IQ of 140, so I'm not a certified genius like you, I'm just a certified sub-genius. So please excuse my ignorance and thank you for understanding.

GravyBoat, CSG (Certified Sub-Genius)

[Gunny]

Gunny, I said "try again" to mean I'd try uploading the signature again, that's all. How that pertains to what you said is beyond my level of comprehension. You see, you speak at such a high level of genius it's easy for me to misunderstand you, because I've only an IQ of 140, so I'm not a certified genius like you, I'm just a certified sub-genius. So please excuse my ignorance and thank you for understanding.

GravyBoat, CSG (Certified Sub-Genius)Save it. Where the board is concerned, the Gunny don't play. I'm sure your wannabe genius ass got my point loud and clear. Don't like it? Write your Congressman,

[Drummond]

Professor and researcher, Michael Hudson, says the Holy Bible has been mistranslated for a long time. He says that "sin" means monetary debt, and that the "forgiveness of sins" means a debt jubilee, like they did in ancient times, which is like bankruptcy today. Sin doesn't mean a moral interpretation of right and wrong. Therefore, Jesus died for our monetary debts.

I've long said, religion is nothing more than man's attempt to deny himself the importance of money. I've never believed in the concept of "Original Sin" or that I'm condemned for not accepting Jesus. Then consider the weird mushroom cult stuff of Ancient Hebrews and Churches, today's churches and synagogues are even weirder because their legacy is forgotten.

Also, because they don't know where they came from, many churches are split by schisms; abortion, gay marriage, gay ministry, differing biblical interpretations. The Church of England will soon split over the issue of sodomy. Although you don't have to be religious to know that sodomy is wrong, you just have to be a pervert to know that sodomy is right.

Here's some recent populist nonsense you'll hear in many churches: "God hates the sin but loves the sinner." Wrong. That's like saying, "God loves purple but red and blue." Churches have become schizophrenic. Ever since the burning of the Library in Alexandria, the single most disastrous event in human history, nothing's been the same.

Anyway, here's the link to Michael Hudson and the real meaning of sin:

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/12/michael-hudson-died-debt-not-sins.html

This is more than ridiculous. It's also hilarious ... there's some definite comedy mileage to be had from this ....

Ok, then. Christian churches are ... what ? Havens of 'believers' in a force opposing debt ?

I have in mind preachers going around, visiting debt collection agencies, trying to convert their staff to Christianity.

Do their offices regularly get sprinkled with holy water ? Or burned down, by the zealous Christian ? Do debt collectors flinch away, much as Dracula 'does', upon production of a crucifix ?

Does a Christian who incurs a debt go to his priest for absolution ?

Then again ....


religion is nothing more than man's attempt to deny himself the importance of money.

Is a bank manager incapable of being a Christian ?

Is the US Treasury Dept (not to be confused with their existence under the Obama Administration) America's answer to the pits of hell ... ??

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/donors/Jeb%20Thurmond/THE%20PIT%20OF%20HELL!.htm


As you leave your body — you realize something is happening. You hear a sound. . . getting louder and louder. . . screaming . . .weeping. . . wailing. Terror and fear beyond anything you could imagine overtakes you. "This can't be happening!" you scream. Your nostrils are filling with the awful stench of burning souls. Your face ignites from the heat. Flames are now blazing from your eyes, nostrils, ears, mouth — every opening in your body, flames are roaring out. Your body is sizzling and crackling from the flames.

Your body is now madly thrashing and convulsing from the horrible pain. "Why don't I die?", you scream. You begin weeping and gnashing your teeth with the millions. "When will this pain stop?" But you know it will never stop. . .

The darkness is so terrifying, it begins engulfing you. You feel something moving in the darkness. . . something horrible is happening. "No! No! This can't be happening" you scream!

... yes. An IRS inspector is calling ...... :lmao::lmao::omg::devil2:

[Elessar]

Oh gosh, he's a Marxist professor. Golly, we better bomb all the campuses because the Domino Effect. Beware the Marxists, woe.

Russ, do you see Communist plots throughout your day? It means your tinfoil hat is slipping. A little lithium wouldn't hurt either.

Back Off!

[jimnyc]

Also, did someone here change my signature before, like yesterday? If so, the courteous thing to do is ask me to change it or tell me about it.

The courteous thing to do is follow the rules. But you ARE correct, I should have sent you a message telling you I removed it. The dimensions were much larger than what the rules allow for. Not to mention, signatures shouldn't me used as ways to fight/flame with others. If someone places you on ignore, so be it, let them do so and move on.

[jimnyc]

Gunny, I said "try again" to mean I'd try uploading the signature again, that's all. How that pertains to what you said is beyond my level of comprehension. You see, you speak at such a high level of genius it's easy for me to misunderstand you, because I've only an IQ of 140, so I'm not a certified genius like you, I'm just a certified sub-genius. So please excuse my ignorance and thank you for understanding.

GravyBoat, CSG (Certified Sub-Genius)

Geniuses understand/comprehend the rules. Folks that brag about how high there IQ's are? - I've yet to see ONE person actually have such scores. To each their own when folks want to brag about how smart they are. I'll remember that when folks are called to the mat for one on one debates, and then the excuses flow. Ain't my cup of tea, but again, to each their own.

Why this came from the removal of a signature is beyond me. The sig was being used to poke at another member AND it was outside of the allowed dimensions. Big deal. Place another up, use writing preferably, and move on and destroy everyone here with your superior intellect! I'd actually love to see even a remote sight of that, and would participate more, more so than when folks toss out lame names and rhetoric so as to avoid the facts. :dunno:

[GravyBoat]

Back Off!

I was just ribbing the guy. He was ribbing me so I ribbed him back. I didn't mean anything by it. Just a ribbing. I hate being ribbed. My brother ribbed me nearly five years ago and I ain't spoken to him since. Ain't planning on it neither. He shouldn't have ribbed me like that. So I backed off.

[Drummond]

I was just ribbing the guy. He was ribbing me so I ribbed him back. I didn't mean anything by it. Just a ribbing. I hate being ribbed. My brother ribbed me nearly five years ago and I ain't spoken to him since. Ain't planning on it neither. He shouldn't have ribbed me like that. So I backed off.

This isn't my fight. But I can't help but notice the hypocritical stance of ribbing someone, when said person says they hate having it done to themselves.

What gives YOU the right to do something that you won't take from others ? Do you operate by different rules & standards to the rest of us ?

[aboutime]

Save it. Where the board is concerned, the Gunny don't play. I'm sure your wannabe genius ass got my point loud and clear. Don't like it? Write your Congressman,


Gunny. I just caught what he said. It reminded me of an expression from my navy days, you might remember too!
If anyone said (Certified Sub Genius) back then. It meant they spent most of their time on their Knee's, kissin' butt....better known as "A BROWN NOSE'R WITH PERFECT AIM!"

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