UK Church Holds Joint Birthday Celebration for Muhammad and Jesus

[jimnyc]

This is why you don't hold your hands out and expect to make miraculous connections and that "coexist" stuff. If anything, you could do this week after week for years and years - and all that will happen is that eventually the radical muslims would use this to learn and try to convert all the christians. You're an infidel and that's that. You can get kindness from some, but surely don't expect rational discussions or anything like that - their way is the only way.

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UK Church Holds Joint Birthday Celebration for Muhammad and Jesus

All Saints Church in Kingston-upon-Thames last week held a “Milad, Advent and Christmas Celebration.” The flier advertising the event said that it was “Marking the birthday of Prophet Mohammed and looking forward to the birthday of Jesus.”

Yes, that’s right: “the Prophet Mohammed,” but just “Jesus,” without any title that might give one the impression that the host of the event was actually a Christian church. And the wholesale cultural abdication and surrender in Britain continues.

No mosque, of course, held a reciprocal event. As is universally the case with “interfaith outreach,” the reaching-out was all one-way. No mosque would have a Christmas celebration if it featured traditional elements of Christian belief about Jesus, because many of those elements contradict Islamic belief. But that should go the other way as well: since Muhammad taught that many basic elements of traditional Christianity are false, why is All Saints Church in Kingston-upon-Thames proclaiming him a prophet and celebrating his birthday?

Muhammad, according to Islamic belief, was given the Qur’an from Allah, through the angel Gabriel. The Qur’an denies central tenets of Christianity in numerous ways. For example:

Jesus is not the Son of God, and belief in the Trinity is “excess”: “O People of the Book! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter anything concerning Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and his word which he conveyed to Mary, and a spirit from him. So believe in Allah and his messengers, and do not say “Three.” Cease! Better for you! Allah is only one Allah. Far is it removed from his transcendent majesty that he should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as defender.” — Qur’an 4:171

“It is not befitting to Allah that he should beget a son. Glory be to him! When he determines a matter, he only says to it, ‘Be,’ and it is.” — Qur’an 19:35

Jesus was not crucified: “And because of their saying: ‘We killed the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah’s messenger’ – they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared so to them; and those who disagree concerning it are in doubt about it; they have no knowledge of it except pursuit of a guess; they did not kill him for certain.” — Qur’an 4:157

Those who believe in the divinity of Christ are unbelievers: “They have certainly disbelieved who say that Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary.” — Qur’an 5:17

Christians have forgotten part of the divine revelations they received: “From those, too, who call themselves Christians, we took a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them from one another with enmity and hatred until the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done.” — Qur’an 5:14

Those who believe that Jesus is God’s Son are accursed: “The Jews call Ezra son of Allah, and the Christians call the Messiah the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; they just imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah’s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth! ” — Qur’an 9:30

Rest - https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/uk-church-holds-joint-birthday-celebration-muhammad-jesus/

[Black Diamond]

No offense. But I am guessing the pope approves.

[pete311]

Ultimately both religions worship the same god. What's the big deal.

[Black Diamond]

Ultimately both religions worship the same god. What's the big deal.
First off, I'll remember that next time some ragheads cuts Christians' heads off.

[LongTermGuy]

Ultimately both religions worship the same god. What's the big deal.


....pete what happened to you? :coffee:

surely you know the back ground of Mohammed ?
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/img/muhammad-sex-life-290.jpg


https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/muhammads-sex-life.aspx

[High_Plains_Drifter]

So now a (supposed) Christian church in the new muslim nation of U.K. is celebrating the birth of a pedophile... got it.

[aboutime]

Ultimately both religions worship the same god. What's the big deal.


Thank you Obama....I mean petey.

Just thought about how comical it would be if we heard you were DECAPITATED, while singing the praises of a Murderer, and Pedophile petey. Defending the people who would happily kill you...while you pretend to be nice to them....drip, drip, drip....on the floor. Like your hero's...in work related non-terrorist actions, per Obama.
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[mundame]

Mark Twain said that a liberal is someone who won't defend his own side of the argument. That seems to apply to these church people.

When the big invasion started in the summer of 2015, I said online that the Muslims would be blowing up the great cathedrals of Europe soon. They did assassinate a priest while saying mass at a large church in France the next year. I got a lot of horrified pushback from European leftists who couldn't believe that.

Putin just thanked Trump for our guys helping Russia stop a huge attack (large amounts of explosives and weapons and some 8 men organizing it) on St. Petersburg: one of the targets was the big cathedral. They were going to blow it up.

[LongTermGuy]

Mark Twain said that a liberal is someone who won't defend his own side of the argument. That seems to apply to these church people.

When the big invasion started in the summer of 2015, I said online that the Muslims would be blowing up the great cathedrals of Europe soon. They did assassinate a priest while saying mass at a large church in France the next year. I got a lot of horrified pushback from European leftists who couldn't believe that.

Putin just thanked Trump for our guys helping Russia stop a huge attack (large amounts of explosives and weapons and some 8 men organizing it) on St. Petersburg: one of the targets was the big cathedral. They were going to blow it up.


Ya heard about that....thank you mundame for the share.

[aboutime]

Ya heard about that....thank you mundame for the share.


LongTerm, and mundame....did you hear how the LIBS were screaming, and cheering about the phone call from Putin...proving COLLUSION?

"Liberals are trained idiots who are constantly stupid enough to fool themselves." (aboutime 2017)

[Black Diamond]

LongTerm, and mundame....did you hear how the LIBS were screaming, and cheering about the phone call from Putin...proving COLLUSION?

"Liberals are trained idiots who are constantly stupid enough to fool themselves." (aboutime 2017)
:laugh:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Ultimately both religions worship the same god. What's the big deal.

That statement proves that you are a blithering, ffkking idiot.
No doubt about it..
Did Allah have a Son that died for all mankind's sins thus offering his own life to gain their salvation?--NO
ISLAM DENIES THE DIVINITY OF CHRIST-- YOU FFING BLITHERING MORON!
Never ever meet me face to face, because if you ever do, I will spit right in your moronic face..-Tyr

[Abbey Marie]

Mark Twain said that a liberal is someone who won't defend his own side of the argument. That seems to apply to these church people.

When the big invasion started in the summer of 2015, I said online that the Muslims would be blowing up the great cathedrals of Europe soon. They did assassinate a priest while saying mass at a large church in France the next year. I got a lot of horrified pushback from European leftists who couldn't believe that.

Putin just thanked Trump for our guys helping Russia stop a huge attack (large amounts of explosives and weapons and some 8 men organizing it) on St. Petersburg: one of the targets was the big cathedral. They were going to blow it up.


You need to post more, Mundame.

:beer:

[Abbey Marie]

I've been saying on here for years that the main-line denominations are lost.

They are lost. And leading believers astray every single Sunday.

This will be happening here soon, if it isn't already.

Hurts my soul.

[Drummond]

Ultimately both religions worship the same god. What's the big deal.

The Christian God would've approved of Jesus marrying a nine year old girl ?

Or, perhaps He just 'approved' of Mohammed doing so ?

Do tell, Pete. I look forward to your evidence of my conclusion being right .. if, YOURS 'is' ......

[Gunny]

First off, I'll remember that next time some ragheads cuts Christians' heads off.Pretty simple. Muhammed is a piece of shit. He's a piece of shit who is not a Christian. Christmas -- short for CHRIST'S Mass NOT Muhammed's-- is to celebrate the birth of Christ. Not a piece of shit's.

[Black Diamond]

Pretty simple. Muhammed is a piece of shit. He's a piece of shit who is not a Christian. Christmas -- short for CHRIST'S Mass NOT Muhammed's-- is to celebrate the birth of Christ. Not a piece of shit's.
I'll go with that.

[aboutime]

Why do I feel we should be sending petey a wedding gift?

Petey, can you tell us where to find footwear for four legs, for your Goat?

You sound so dedicated to protecting, and defending the animals who want to kill Americans. The least we can do for you is give you a wedding surprise both of you will enjoy while WE celebrate Christmas, and you dream of MECCA!


CONGRATULATIONS petey....
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[Great warrior]

That what happens when you take a non-existent trinity as your god.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

That what happens when you take a non-existent trinity as your god.

The Father, the son and the Holy Spirit, all the same person, all God, and your stating it's non-existent is nothing more than a muslim insulting Christianity, which isn't shocking at all since you muslims are KILLING Christians everywhere around the world.

But maybe you could tell us why you worship a PEDOPHILE.

[darin]

Christians aren't able to be offended at silliness. If one is offended at this silliness i'd offer a couple questions to consider:

Firstly, does Christ need you to fight his battles? Sub-question: Why do you think Christ would give a shit about Christmas?

Secondly, is it better to celebrate the holiday that's important to some people than to correct them on the nature of their faith (that is to say, Islam is probably, largely wrong in terms of what it commands - yet since God said the single most important way to be is to love God first, then love people as much as you love yourself. (or more)).


For example....If I was friends with a muslim, and he had a 'christmas' and that made-up (as in, not directed, prescribed, practiced or mentioned by the foundations of their religion) holiday was important to him, would it not be Love to celebrate with him? Is it not love to be happy when HE is happy and sad when he is sad?


To quote the bard "Five letters. For everyone out there in (christiandom) and yourself today. R. E. L. A. X. Relax. We're gonna be okay"

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Christians aren't able to be offended at silliness. If one is offended at this silliness i'd offer a couple questions to consider:

Firstly, does Christ need you to fight his battles? Sub-question: Why do you think Christ would give a shit about Christmas?

Secondly, is it better to celebrate the holiday that's important to some people than to correct them on the nature of their faith (that is to say, Islam is probably, largely wrong in terms of what it commands - yet since God said the single most important way to be is to love God first, then love people as much as you love yourself. (or more)).


For example....If I was friends with a muslim, and he had a 'christmas' and that made-up (as in, not directed, prescribed, practiced or mentioned by the foundations of their religion) holiday was important to him, would it not be Love to celebrate with him? Is it not love to be happy when HE is happy and sad when he is sad?


To quote the bard "Five letters. For everyone out there in (christiandom) and yourself today. R. E. L. A. X. Relax. We're gonna be okay"
Would you still love that muslim as he was sawing off your head?

[darin]

Would you still love that muslim as he was sawing off your head?

Did jesus still love those italians and jews who nailed him to a fucking tree, then stabbed him with a spear?

[darin]

amount of outrage or offense is not inversely proportional to how much one loves god.

[Gunny]

Christians aren't able to be offended at silliness. If one is offended at this silliness i'd offer a couple questions to consider:

Firstly, does Christ need you to fight his battles? Sub-question: Why do you think Christ would give a shit about Christmas?

Secondly, is it better to celebrate the holiday that's important to some people than to correct them on the nature of their faith (that is to say, Islam is probably, largely wrong in terms of what it commands - yet since God said the single most important way to be is to love God first, then love people as much as you love yourself. (or more)).


For example....If I was friends with a muslim, and he had a 'christmas' and that made-up (as in, not directed, prescribed, practiced or mentioned by the foundations of their religion) holiday was important to him, would it not be Love to celebrate with him? Is it not love to be happy when HE is happy and sad when he is sad?


To quote the bard "Five letters. For everyone out there in (christiandom) and yourself today. R. E. L. A. X. Relax. We're gonna be okay"Can do what he wants in his own church.

[Gunny]

That what happens when you take a non-existent trinity as your god.You're what happens when you take a murdering pedophile as YOUR "God".

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Did jesus still love those italians and jews who nailed him to a fucking tree, then stabbed him with a spear?
Jesus... was GOD. He knew even though he was dying... WHY... he was dying.

Are you a God? Am I a God? No. We are mere mortal men, and if someone wants to nail me a to "fucking tree," (cross), and stab me with a spear, or saw my head off, I am NOT going to "love them."

I certainly DON'T want this to turn into a bitch fest or pissing contest, Darin. I think you're a damn good guy. We just appear to have different opinions about islam. I will vehemently argue my point though, cordially.

[aboutime]

It's CHRISTMAS day, not MOHAMMED day. PERIOD.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

You're what happens when you take a murdering pedophile as YOUR "God".
Just to clarify, their "prophet", Muhammad, is the pedophile, not their God. Regardless, they worship them both.

[Black Diamond]

Just to clarify, their "prophet", Muhammad, is the pedophile, not their God. Regardless, they worship them both.
They shouldn't have anything to do with a Christmas ceremony. But hey this is America. Desecrate all ya want.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

They shouldn't have anything to do with a Christmas ceremony. But hey this is America. Desecrate all ya want.
Facts should never be considered desecration.

[Black Diamond]

Facts should never be considered desecration.
You're not desecrating anything. That church is.

[Black Diamond]

You're not desecrating anything. That church is.
Lol. Forgot the thread title. This ain't America they are talking About

[High_Plains_Drifter]

You're not desecrating anything. That church is.
I think islam is a stone age, bloody, murdering, terroristic, dominant, intolerant, subjugating, FREAKY CULT... period.

[Gunny]

Just to clarify, their "prophet", Muhammad, is the pedophile, not their God. Regardless, they worship them both.Technically, Muhammed was not a "pedophile" by the standard of his time. People lived to be around 30-ish and they were "men and women" by 10-12. That was true even here in the US. The standard changed because society changed. I do not and never have been cool with judging people of other times by today's rules.

Geez, could you imagine? ALL of our ancestors would have been in prison by today's PC bullshit standard.

Muhammed is a POS for preaching hatred, intolerance and murder. Pedophile was a handy, spur of the moment word to toss out because I was decorating the NOT Muhammed tree. The "Muhammed tree" is in the back yard being "decorated" by the rat-weiler (half-Chihuahua half-dumbass):laugh:

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Technically, Muhammed was not a "pedophile" by the standard of his time. People lived to be around 30-ish and they were "men and women" by 10-12. That was true even here in the US. The standard changed because society changed. I do not and never have been cool with judging people of other times by today's rules.

Geez, could you imagine? ALL of our ancestors would have been in prison by today's PC bullshit standard.

Muhammed is a POS for preaching hatred, intolerance and murder. Pedophile was a handy, spur of the moment word to toss out because I was decorating the NOT Muhammed tree. The "Muhammed tree" is in the back yard being "decorated" by the rat-weiler (half-Chihuahua half-dumbass):laugh:
He married a SIX YEAR OLD... and HAMMERED HER when she was NINE... that's a pedophile by anyone's standards. She a was LITTLE PREPUBESCENT GIRL.

You'd have a PENIS like a PENCIL to even get it IN a nine year old... or cause considerable pain and damage, to be grossly blunt. That's sick.

[Gunny]

He married a SIX YEAR OLD... and HAMMERED HER when she was NINE... that's a pedophile by anyone's standards. She a was LITTLE PREPUBESCENT GIRL.

You'd have a PENIS like a PENCIL to even get it IN a nine year old... to be grossly blunt. That's sick.TMI, dude. I ALREADY wanted to kill him :laugh: . And ummm yeah ... couldn't be very well hung ...

[High_Plains_Drifter]

TMI, dude. I ALREADY wanted to kill him :laugh: . And ummm yeah ... couldn't be very well hung ...
I wish I'd had have been younger. I'd have liked to go over and KILL ME SOME MUSLIMS after 9/11.

And I really don't care if that triggers anyone. You come over here and kill 3,000 innocent Americans just because we're all INFIDELS, ya, then I want to kill me some muslims, big time.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Jesus... was GOD. He knew even though he was dying... WHY... he was dying.

Are you a God? Am I a God? No. We are mere mortal men, and if someone wants to nail me a to "fucking tree," (cross), and stab me with a spear, or saw my head off, I am NOT going to "love them."

I certainly DON'T want this to turn into a bitch fest or pissing contest, Darin. I think you're a damn good guy. We just appear to have different opinions about islam. I will vehemently argue my point though, cordially.

Same here with me. Christian faith says love your enemies.
I guess I am a very weak INJUN' myself. As I do not love evil and nothing represents evil on this planet more that that ffking cult named Islam.
They are the devil's own spawn as far as I am concerned..
And regardless of who says that the moham-bastard was not a child molester, I both say and know that the filthy bastard was.
He married her at age 6, raped her at age 9...
What other type sex acts did he force her to perform during that three year interval???
Clinton said oral sex is not sex, but nobody believed that lying bastard.
Mohammad was a damn pervert,murderer, rapist, liar, and lowlife ffing scum...
Realty says that in spades as does the history of the ffing bastard and the murdering cult that he founded...
If my citing the truth angers anybody, then tough shit....I bow to no man. A fact....
And am too damn old to start doing so now... Not after the very heavy price that I have already paid over these many decades living with that principle.--Tyr

[Abbey Marie]

Technically, Muhammed was not a "pedophile" by the standard of his time. People lived to be around 30-ish and they were "men and women" by 10-12. That was true even here in the US. The standard changed because society changed. I do not and never have been cool with judging people of other times by today's rules.

Geez, could you imagine? ALL of our ancestors would have been in prison by today's PC bullshit standard.

Muhammed is a POS for preaching hatred, intolerance and murder. Pedophile was a handy, spur of the moment word to toss out because I was decorating the NOT Muhammed tree. The "Muhammed tree" is in the back yard being "decorated" by the rat-weiler (half-Chihuahua half-dumbass):laugh:

Disagree. I've read that Mohammed married a 9 year old but waited some amount of time to sleep with her. Even he knew it was too young. But I'll bet you he didn't wait very long.

[Gunny]

Disagree. I've read that Mohammed married a 9 year old but waited some amount of time to sleep with her. Even he knew it was too young. But I'll bet you he didn't wait very long.I have no idea what was acceptable to those fruitloop towel heads in the 7th century. My concern is the here and now. Muhammed apparently drives people to slaughter innocents in his name; therefore, he has no place in civilized society. Anyone that believes he was in the right doesn't belong in civilized society either.

You destroy cancer by killing ALL of it. If it just goes into remission, it can always come back. The cancer of Muhammed and Islam has been beaten back on multiple occasions only to return and do the same old crap. It needs to be destroyed.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I have no idea what was acceptable to those fruitloop towel heads in the 7th century. My concern is the here and now.
They think it's STILL acceptable...

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/17/saudi.child.marriage/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfjbmq4vOWU

... and even MORE perveted...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5049199/Egyptian-cleric-says-men-marry-daughters.html

[Gunny]

They think it's STILL acceptable...

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/17/saudi.child.marriage/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfjbmq4vOWU

... and even MORE perveted...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5049199/Egyptian-cleric-says-men-marry-daughters.htmlYou're not getting the point though. Okay, they're pedophiles. I've seen how young their wives are. Our so-called "allies" in the ME have them too. We just pretend we don't see theirs for political reasons. I don't agree with a WHOLE BUNCH of what I've seen in the ME. When they bugged out of Kuwait City, they killed EVERYTHING. And I mean EVERYthing. No age limit. One of my best friends came home in a box.

And just to ensure they were on my "good" side, they hurt my daughter when she was over there. If I hadn't already retired, I'd have knocked on every door on CamPen to redeploy.

There's no love lost trust me. SO, add one more atrocity to their list of "attributes"? You can kill each one only once.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

And just to ensure they were on my "good" side, they hurt my daughter when she was over there. If I hadn't already retired, I'd have knocked on every door on CamPen to redeploy.

There's no love lost trust me. SO, add one more atrocity to their list of "attributes"? You can kill each one only once.
Let me know when you're ready... I'm with ya brother.

That little tidbit about them hurting your daughter just made me so mad it made my ears hot... and that's when you better look out.

[Abbey Marie]

It's CHRISTMAS day, not MOHAMMED day. PERIOD.

Exactly, AT.

Exactly.

[Gunny]

Let me know when you're ready... I'm with ya brother.

That little tidbit about them hurting your daughter just made me so mad it made my ears hot... and that's when you better look out.Hate to point this out, but we're too old. That AIN'T a young man's game.

Daughter's downstairs singing a Christmas carol, btw. :) Making cookies or something.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Hate to point this out, but we're too old. That AIN'T a young man's game.

Daughter's downstairs singing a Christmas carol, btw. :) Making cookies or something.
I can still put 3 shots inside an inch circle with my AK-47 at 50 yards with iron sites.

OK maybe 2 inches... :rolleyes: ... but still... I'm not too old to be damn good with a weapon.

[Gunny]

I can still put 3 shots inside an inch circle with my AK-47 at 50 yards with iron sites.

OK maybe 2 inches... :rolleyes: ... but still... I'm not too old to be damn good with a weapon.Your Air Force is showing. I can still shoot. That covers about maybe 15 whole minutes in 30 second increments. The rest of the time you are staring at sand, sucking sand, sleeping in sand, buried in sand, decked out in MOPP 3 in 120 degrees watching these giant black flies circling overhead like buzzards.

When you get water, you'll get your iron intake from the rust in it. Or it tastes like warm, melted plastic. There is no such thing as enough water. For ONCE in your deployed life you CAN'T WAIT to get back to that nice comfy ship with the hot chow and showers.:laugh:

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Your Air Force is showing. I can still shoot. That covers about maybe 15 whole minutes in 30 second increments. The rest of the time you are staring at sand, sucking sand, sleeping in sand, buried in sand, decked out in MOPP 3 in 120 degrees watching these giant black flies circling overhead like buzzards.

When you get water, you'll get your iron intake from the rust in it. Or it tastes like warm, melted plastic. There is no such thing as enough water. For ONCE in your deployed life you CAN'T WAIT to get back to that nice comfy ship with the hot chow and showers.:laugh:
I'm talking here in the US, bro.

But really... if it was WWIII... I'd still go if it was down to die or be taken over.

And hey, the Air Force chow halls have the best chow of ALL the branches... ;)

I heard that over and over from the guys that were at our bases TDY.

[Gunny]

I'm talking here in the US, bro.

But really... if it was WWIII... I'd still go if it was down to die or be taken over.

And hey, the Air Force chow halls have the best chow of ALL the branches... ;)

I heard that over and over from the guys that were at our bases TDY.I grew up in the Air Force. I am well aware of Air Force chow. When I was a kid, we LOVED to eat at the Airman's Club. That was like going to a restaurant for us (and about as close as we usually got). When we were at Iraklion AFB, Crete, that was lunch after church every Sunday. Air Force bases have the best dependent facilities period.

If you just wait long enough, they'll be here. Already are in some places.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I grew up in the Air Force. I am well aware of Air Force chow. When I was a kid, we LOVED to eat at the Airman's Club. That was like going to a restaurant for us (and about as close as we usually got). When we were at Iraklion AFB, Crete, that was lunch after church every Sunday. Air Force bases have the best dependent facilities period.

If you just wait long enough, they'll be here. Already are in some places.
I don't think I missed anymore than THREE breakfasts' all the while I was in, even after I moved off base and was on separate rats. I would smash my left nut with a hammer to have an AF chow hall breakfast again... :laugh:

I used to order a ham 'n cheese, onion, green pepper and mushroom omelet with hash browns and SOS over it, toast, 2 glasses of grape juice and 1 glass of OJ, and I'd tell them to start cooking me another omelet right now because by the time it's done, I'll be back in line to get it, and this cost like $2.35