Stolen Valor: Man Fraudulently Poses as Green Beret...

[jimnyc]

Oh man, Tyr-Ziu Saxnot is just going to LOVE this one!! 25 years, huh? Talk about embellishment! I've added some military names to get some feedback from those that I know have served. If I forgot someone, my bad!!

aboutime
Gunny
CSM
Bilgerat
darin
High_Plains_Drifter

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Stolen Valor: Man Fraudulently Poses as Green Beret to Worm Way into New York Society

A New York man who served in the army for only eight years as a driver far from any battle zone is accused of taking on the fraudulent mantle of a 25-year veteran Green Beret with a chest full of medals. The deception was designed to help him worm his way into New York society events, a report reveals.

Brooklyn Army veteran Papotia Reginald Wright seemed to have a very impressive pedigree in the U.S. armed forces. He claimed to have a Purple Heart, was a 25-year army vet, and even said he became a member of the elite Green Berets. The resume gave him access to numerous events in the Big Apple, including events with the New York Giants, the New York Post reported.

Wright even helped start a veteran’s group that served veterans and their families.

But it has now been alleged that he lied about his army career. According to reports, Wright never rose above the rank of “specialist,” served only eight years (1982 to 1990) instead of 25, and never served in any battle zone to earn a Purple Heart. Indeed, nearly all the medal he has worn at numerous events were bought second hand and were not earned in service.

Indeed, instead of serving in any battle zone, Wright served as a driver in very safe places such as Alaska, Georgia, Texas, and a short stint in Egypt according to documents provided by the government.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUTlo87IL50

Wright did help his fellow vets by starting the 8th Special Forces Regiment New York Honor Guard, a group that offers an honor guard at funerals for service members and veterans. As part of this group, Wright became an active and well-liked member of the New York veteran community.

Photos show Mr. Wright at a New York Giants game wearing a full Green Beret uniform.

But, now Wright is being investigated for possible violations of the Stolen Valor Act.

The Stolen Valor Act maintains that any person who rewrites “provisions relating to fraudulent claims about military service were subject to a fine, imprisonment up to a year or both.”

The veterans group Wright started said that they began looking into Wright’s possible violations when people alerted them to the incongruities in Wright’s story.

“It bothers us. Stolen valor is an epidemic. We cannot keep up with the cases sent to us,” a member of the veteran’s group told the paper. “Wearing fake stuff — wearing a Ranger tab, Special Forces tab, those things are hard to earn. Wearing a Purple Heart…that stuff’s unforgivable there.”

Army veteran Jeff Johnson, who is a member of Wright’s veteran group, said he felt like he was “played for a f***ing fool” after the questions about Wright were made public. Johnson also noted that Wright had told people he was “living off half a kidney,” too.

“He’s an amazing storyteller because he will get into details,” Johnson confessed.

Members of Wright’s group said that they are suspending their activities while they investigate the allegations about his service.

There is no word if Wright will face any legal consequences for his alleged ruse.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/12/15/stolen-valor-man-fraudulently-poses-green-beret-worm-way-new-york-society/

[Gunny]

I guess they could burn him. The damage is already done to both he and veterans. He's a done deal unless he gets a whole new identity somewhere else. Even civilians don't like frauds (except Democrats) and are hesitant to hire them. Who wants to hire a fraud?

As far as "stolen valor" goes, he disrespected everyone that ever wore a uniform and EARNED the right to wear it and earned the decorations the hard way. I say lock him in a room with the rest of the real vets in his unit and let THEM "discuss" it with his sorry ass.

I don't know that they can do anything to civilians for impersonating military personnel, especially impersonating former or no longer active military personnel. If he was on active duty, the Army would probably fix his ass right up. The Marines would be a guaranteed max punishment and at least General under other than honorable conditions discharge and a reenlistment code of RE4 (undesirable for service).

I don't get the point to it, myself. These guys work harder at pretending to be something they weren't than if they just went and took the job.

[Black Diamond]

Not much lower than that. IMHO

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Oh man, Tyr-Ziu Saxnot is just going to LOVE this one!! 25 years, huh? Talk about embellishment! I've added some military names to get some feedback from those that I know have served. If I forgot someone, my bad!!

aboutime
Gunny
CSM
Bilgerat
darin
High_Plains_Drifter

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Stolen Valor: Man Fraudulently Poses as Green Beret to Worm Way into New York Society

A New York man who served in the army for only eight years as a driver far from any battle zone is accused of taking on the fraudulent mantle of a 25-year veteran Green Beret with a chest full of medals. The deception was designed to help him worm his way into New York society events, a report reveals.

Brooklyn Army veteran Papotia Reginald Wright seemed to have a very impressive pedigree in the U.S. armed forces. He claimed to have a Purple Heart, was a 25-year army vet, and even said he became a member of the elite Green Berets. The resume gave him access to numerous events in the Big Apple, including events with the New York Giants, the New York Post reported.

Wright even helped start a veteran’s group that served veterans and their families.

But it has now been alleged that he lied about his army career. According to reports, Wright never rose above the rank of “specialist,” served only eight years (1982 to 1990) instead of 25, and never served in any battle zone to earn a Purple Heart. Indeed, nearly all the medal he has worn at numerous events were bought second hand and were not earned in service.

Indeed, instead of serving in any battle zone, Wright served as a driver in very safe places such as Alaska, Georgia, Texas, and a short stint in Egypt according to documents provided by the government.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUTlo87IL50

Wright did help his fellow vets by starting the 8th Special Forces Regiment New York Honor Guard, a group that offers an honor guard at funerals for service members and veterans. As part of this group, Wright became an active and well-liked member of the New York veteran community.

Photos show Mr. Wright at a New York Giants game wearing a full Green Beret uniform.

But, now Wright is being investigated for possible violations of the Stolen Valor Act.

The Stolen Valor Act maintains that any person who rewrites “provisions relating to fraudulent claims about military service were subject to a fine, imprisonment up to a year or both.”

The veterans group Wright started said that they began looking into Wright’s possible violations when people alerted them to the incongruities in Wright’s story.

“It bothers us. Stolen valor is an epidemic. We cannot keep up with the cases sent to us,” a member of the veteran’s group told the paper. “Wearing fake stuff — wearing a Ranger tab, Special Forces tab, those things are hard to earn. Wearing a Purple Heart…that stuff’s unforgivable there.”

Army veteran Jeff Johnson, who is a member of Wright’s veteran group, said he felt like he was “played for a f***ing fool” after the questions about Wright were made public. Johnson also noted that Wright had told people he was “living off half a kidney,” too.

“He’s an amazing storyteller because he will get into details,” Johnson confessed.

Members of Wright’s group said that they are suspending their activities while they investigate the allegations about his service.

There is no word if Wright will face any legal consequences for his alleged ruse.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/12/15/stolen-valor-man-fraudulently-poses-green-beret-worm-way-new-york-society/

You are right Jim....
I'd hit that SOB SO DAMN HARD HE PROBABLY WOULDNT SEE DAYLIGHT FOR A WEEK...
I make no bones about admitting that I never served in the military and it pisses me off when these types go around lying about their service.--Tyr

[High_Plains_Drifter]

All anyone has to do if they wonder about someone's military service story, is ask to see their DD-214. It's all on there.

This turd should go to jail. He's probably an obama voter and just the latest example of how democrats aren't afraid to lie about just about anything. What is it with these people? Sickening bastards.

[Gunny]

All anyone has to do if they wonder about someone's military service story, is ask to see their DD-214. It's all on there.

This turd should go to jail. He's probably an obama voter and just the latest example of how democrats aren't afraid to lie about just about anything. What is it with these people? Sickening bastards.Probation. That way he has to stay within the jurisdiction he is sentenced, and where he committed the crime (fraud). Make him face daily the people he lied to.

It's bad form (insulting) to ask someone for their DD 214. Your word still means something in some places (like here) for the most part. Again, Dems are disqualified from THAT. The way around it is to make it an administrative requirement for things like starting your own veteran's group.

These people understand the game. No one questions high ranking people. That's why these frauds are all wannabe Admirals, Generals and Sergeant Majors. One guy passed himself off as a retired Rear Admiral (Upper) and the son of Bull Halsey or Chester Nimitz for years and got away with it. Never served a day. Memory's hazy, but I think he was related somehow.

So, do you insult the whole for the crimes of the few? Our entire society is now permeated with stupid rules and laws because of the exceptions, not the average every day people.

[aboutime]

There are possibly Thousands of these wannabe Imposters out there. Most of us Vets have been aware of them, and talked about them here in the past.
Wanna really get pissed? Go to Youtube, and simply type STOLEN VALOR.

Nobody should like what you find.
I know the Senior Chief (Retired) Don Shipley,(video) A Retired SEAL who has made it his life's work to EXPOSE these rotten, wannabe hero's of nothing. If you think about it. They actually were the FIRST to start FAKE NEWS online....their own.


http://youtu.be/83e7iWkSUl4

[Gunny]

There are possibly Thousands of these wannabe Imposters out there. Most of us Vets have been aware of them, and talked about them here in the past.
Wanna really get pissed? Go to Youtube, and simply type STOLEN VALOR.

Nobody should like what you find.
I know the Senior Chief (Retired) Don Shipley,(video) A Retired SEAL who has made it his life's work to EXPOSE these rotten, wannabe hero's of nothing. If you think about it. They actually were the FIRST to start FAKE NEWS online....their own.

Immediately thought of John Kerry. Oh yeah ... he's a Dem. They're allowed to do that and still get votes.

[aboutime]

All anyone has to do if they wonder about someone's military service story, is ask to see their DD-214. It's all on there.

This turd should go to jail. He's probably an obama voter and just the latest example of how democrats aren't afraid to lie about just about anything. What is it with these people? Sickening bastards.


High_Plains: Sad truth is. They cannot be arrested, or punished UNLESS they attempt to make money, or extort money under fraudulent circumstances. The only thing anyone can do...IF YOU DISCOVER THEM is...Expose them publicly. But they don't get embarrassed very easily because...Like Liberals, they are living a LIE they are convinced, they can fool other people every time. They want attention, and will do anything to get somebody to PAT THEM ON THE BACK, and Thank Them for something they never did.

Vets have easy ways of exposing these assholes. We know what to ask them, then tell them...UP FRONT, they are F'in LIARS, and PHONIES.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

It's bad form (insulting) to ask someone for their DD 214.
I'm not saying make it common practice, but if you have someone telling stories about being mister big time GI war hero with ribbons all over his chest, and you as a true veteran don't think his stories are adding up, I'd say ask him to prove it, insult or not to ask for the DD-214, which to be truthful, I've never heard of that. I've had to produce many times and never felt insulted, and I've shown it other veterans as well. I was always proud to back up service.

[aboutime]

I'm not saying make it common practice, but if you have someone telling stories about being mister big time GI war hero with ribbons all over his chest, and you as a true veteran don't think his stories are adding up, I'd say ask him to prove it, insult or not to ask for the DD-214, which to be truthful, I've never heard of that. I've had to produce many times and never felt insulted, and I've shown it other veterans as well. I was always proud to back up service.


You don't need to ask them for a DD-214. Fact is. Most of them have no idea what a DD-214 is. Unless the person has honestly served, in whatever they claim to have served. We have simple ways to expose them, almost instantly.
In case some of them happen to read this. I will not share all of the tricky little secrets we can use. But most of us, as Veterans, already know how to get around phonies. Most of us have served with them, and seen them either kicked out, busted, or given a place to live...like a Brig. Truth is. Most of the phonies may have been in the military, but they had bad experiences, and didn't complete their contract, or they were given Other Than Honorable Discharges...and are trying to keep that secret by pretending to be GREEN BERET'S. RANGERS, SPECIAL FORCES, or SEALS.
They also instantly declare that whatever they did was HIGHLY CLASSIFIED, and they can't talk about it. THAT'S ALL FALSE from the get-go when asked simple questions.
Don't worry about them. LIARS never win, and WINNERS never lie.

SECRET.....Anyone who WAS, or IS in the military....HAS EITHER A GREEN, OR BLUE "ID" card.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I don't know if anyone can see this, but I can't. This thread is abruptly cut off at the bottom of Gunny's post #8, and even that isn't all there at the bottom.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

You don't need to ask them for a DD-214. Fact is. Most of them have no idea what a DD-214 is. Unless the person has honestly served, in whatever they claim to have served. We have simple ways to expose them, almost instantly.
In case some of them happen to read this. I will not share all of the tricky little secrets we can use. But most of us, as Veterans, already know how to get around phonies. Most of us have served with them, and seen them either kicked out, busted, or given a place to live...like a Brig. Truth is. Most of the phonies may have been in the military, but they had bad experiences, and didn't complete their contract, or they were given Other Than Honorable Discharges...and are trying to keep that secret by pretending to be GREEN BERET'S. RANGERS, SPECIAL FORCES, or SEALS.
They also instantly declare that whatever they did was HIGHLY CLASSIFIED, and they can't talk about it. THAT'S ALL FALSE from the get-go when asked simple questions.
Don't worry about them. LIARS never win, and WINNERS never lie.

SECRET.....Anyone who WAS, or IS in the military....HAS EITHER A GREEN, OR BLUE "ID" card.
I do recall my active duty ID being green. My DOD DAV ID I have now is brown.

I had a Top Secret clearance and a line badge to prove it. I was also temporarily cleared for Krypto when I went to Area 51, twice. I was sworn to silence for 20 years so I assume talking about my experiences at Area 51 would be OK now, it was over 30 years ago anyway, and really, it wasn't anything extraordinary. I never saw any flying saucers or little gray beings with big black eyes. I was, however, as were all of us, followed around from the time we left the main gate to sign in by armed guards. Kind of strange to be followed around by your own people in the same uniforms armed to the teeth just to watch you. Makes me think there's a whole lot more there than what I saw.

But if I'm not mistaken, when I separated from the AF, they told me to take all the insignia off all my jackets and my fatigues except for my name and the Air Force badge because if I didn't, it was illegal and I could be arrested, and that's as a veteran and those were my hard earned patches. I could be arrested for wearing MY uniform. Course that was 1987. Has something changed that I don't know about? I guess we are allowed to wear our dress uniforms at certain events, like a funeral or in a parade, etc... as if I could fit in mine anyway... :rolleyes:

[Gunny]

I'm not saying make it common practice, but if you have someone telling stories about being mister big time GI war hero with ribbons all over his chest, and you as a true veteran don't think his stories are adding up, I'd say ask him to prove it, insult or not to ask for the DD-214, which to be truthful, I've never heard of that. I've had to produce many times and never felt insulted, and I've shown it other veterans as well. I was always proud to back up service.That's just it ... people full of war stories always raise an eyebrow with me first. Sure, we let stuff slip here and there on the board over the YEARS, but we aren't constantly wearing our medals under everyone's noses.

I've NEVER met a vet in a bar that wasn't Marine Recon, A SEAL, or a Green Beret/Ranger. THAT is what offends me about the stolen valor bullshit. They cheapen my MOS, and if I bother to tell anyone what it was (which I really don't), you get looked at like you're just another full of shit bar hero. Assholes like this guy ruined any of that for me eons ago. Someone comes up to me and tell me they are a vet (I usually wear a Marines ball cap) , I buy 'em a beer and change the subject. They usually leave quick enough because they want to brag about something they never did and I'm not interested is stamped on MY forehead.

This clown will at least have to move after he gets done being hammered. I'm quite sure he is going to have to account for some funding for his "unit". It's a shame for those guys and I hope they can keep their unit after he's wiped off the chalkboard.

[Gunny]

Y'know, had I been MotorT ... I'd have a sign in front of my garage "Gunny's Motor" - Automotive Repairs/State Inspections. That's a skill you can actually use and sell in the real world.

[CSM]

These stolen valor guys just piss me off. If I had a nickel for every "Rambo" I have met over the years I could retire to my own Caribbean Island in the style I would love to become accustomed to. In fact, I have met or heard about so many of these supposed heroes, it makes me wonder where the hell the REAL veterans are. You know, the guy or gal that served 4 years as a cook, truck driver or clerk. They are more a hero than the pukes pretending to have fought off the entire enemy horde with a pen knife and 550 cord.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

That's just it ... people full of war stories always raise an eyebrow with me first. Sure, we let stuff slip here and there on the board over the YEARS, but we aren't constantly wearing our medals under everyone's noses.

I've NEVER met a vet in a bar that wasn't Marine Recon, A SEAL, or a Green Beret/Ranger. THAT is what offends me about the stolen valor bullshit. They cheapen my MOS, and if I bother to tell anyone what it was (which I really don't), you get looked at like you're just another full of shit bar hero. Assholes like this guy ruined any of that for me eons ago. Someone comes up to me and tell me they are a vet (I usually wear a Marines ball cap) , I buy 'em a beer and change the subject. They usually leave quick enough because they want to brag about something they never did and I'm not interested is stamped on MY forehead.

This clown will at least have to move after he gets done being hammered. I'm quite sure he is going to have to account for some funding for his "unit". It's a shame for those guys and I hope they can keep their unit after he's wiped off the chalkboard.
I hear ya there. I only spent 8 years in the AF. Was planning on lifing it but got out because of medical problems that are still with me today. But I spent 4 years at Nellis AFB, Las Vegas, NV, and 4 years at MacDill AFB in Tampa, FL, and I've talked to enough veterans that I know were only in one term, and they have endless stories, they go on and on and on, and it DOES leave me thinking, I'll bet only a fraction of this shit is true. Yes I have a few stories after 8 years of service, but every stinking day of active duty wasn't note worthy. It was the same shit, different day. Go to work, fix the jets, go home.

One of these people is my nieces husband who spent 10 years in the Air Force and was deployed to Iraq, but he has stories on top of stories on top of stories, and I mean even stories that include being in COMBAT. NEVER heard of such of thing in the AF. My brother in Law who's a Marine like yourself, he and I both pretty much figure mister AF combat man is spreading it a little THICK. I like the guy so for the sake of keeping the peace, we just let him ramble on.

My older brother spent two tours in Vietnam in the Army as a canon cocker, God rest his soul. When he got out he didn't want to say SHIT about it. Most veterans I know that have been in actual combat DON'T want to talk about.

[Abbey Marie]

I really don't want to be offensive here, and I DO get why you are angry, but- does his honor guard work ameliorate any of this? We just had a military honor guard at my WWII veteran Dad's funeral, and it really was much loved by everyone. We all agreed it was the most touching and important moment of the day.

[Gunny]

I really don't want to be offensive here, and I DO get why you are angry, but- does his honor guard work ameliorate any of this? We just had a military honor guard at my WWII veteran Dad's funeral, and it really was much loved by everyone. We all agreed it was the most touching and important moment of the day.No forgiveness. The crime outweighs anything he might have done. His honor guard work was done under false pretenses. That means everyone who used that honor guard until he got busted is going to feel deceived and cheated. At a minimum, there will always be a ? in their minds when dealing with anything that has to do with veterans. He stole their trust.

He stole the trust of the actual veterans he deceived into becoming art of the honor guard. Just as bad, he laso gave the media something to blow out of proportion and beat to death and portray the military in a negative way.

Let me turn the question around: How would YOU feel if you found out "the most touching and imortant moment of the day" was led by a fraud? Someone who should not have been there and did not EARN the right to be there as he presented himself?

Here's the kicker ... this guy had 8 years active duty? He could have legitimately started an honor guard through the VFW and/or VA with a HONEST request. But then, he wouldn't have been big man on campus the right way. The ranking person would be in charge. That wouldn't do for someone whose main point is his own ego and being adored even if the adoration is for a lie.

[aboutime]

I really don't want to be offensive here, and I DO get why you are angry, but- does his honor guard work ameliorate any of this? We just had a military honor guard at my WWII veteran Dad's funeral, and it really was much loved by everyone. We all agreed it was the most touching and important moment of the day.

Abbey. No offense taken. His intent was purely honorable, but veterans who know he is just a pretender do not want to take away from the Day. Behind the scenes. People like him dishonor those who he pretends to honor in his false way...designed only to be welcomed, or thanked for what he is doing. That, in itself is a Dishonor to other Real Veterans. That's just how we see it. Hope you see how we feel as well.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Obviously... there's good and bad in this situation.

It's sad... the man let his ego ruin his good intentions.

[Gunny]

Obviously... there's good and bad in this situation.

It's sad... the man let his ego ruin his good intentions.I don't believe he had any good intention. I think his "good intentions" are incidental to his seeking more adulation from others.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I don't believe he had any good intention. I think his "good intentions" are incidental to his seeking more adulation from others.
Good point.

[GravyBoat]

There's no such thing as "stolen valor" and unless it can be proven that he profited financially the law will hold him blameless. If he was "well liked" and established a color guard, that shows his innocence. All of those military trinkets mean essentially nothing, life is just a one-act play and this guy was simply fulfilling a role, he really did nothing wrong.

[Gunny]

There's no such thing as "stolen valor" and unless it can be proven that he profited financially the law will hold him blameless. If he was "well liked" and established a color guard, that shows his innocence. All of those military trinkets mean essentially nothing, life is just a one-act play and this guy was simply fulfilling a role, he really did nothing wrong.Trolls must troll.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

There's no such thing as "stolen valor" and unless it can be proven that he profited financially the law will hold him blameless. If he was "well liked" and established a color guard, that shows his innocence. All of those military trinkets mean essentially nothing, life is just a one-act play and this guy was simply fulfilling a role, he really did nothing wrong.
OH... MY... FUCKING... GAWD... http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/hand-gestures/facepalm-hand-gesture-smiley-emoticon.gif (http://www.sherv.net/)

Negged...

[High_Plains_Drifter]

There's no such thing as "stolen valor" and unless it can be proven that he profited financially the law will hold him blameless. If he was "well liked" and established a color guard, that shows his innocence. All of those military trinkets mean essentially nothing, life is just a one-act play and this guy was simply fulfilling a role, he really did nothing wrong.
Ain't no way in hell you were ever in the Army.

[Black Diamond]

Ain't no way in hell you were ever in the Army.
I don't Think Oliver Stone would even talk like that.

[CSM]

There's no such thing as "stolen valor" and unless it can be proven that he profited financially the law will hold him blameless. If he was "well liked" and established a color guard, that shows his innocence. All of those military trinkets mean essentially nothing, life is just a one-act play and this guy was simply fulfilling a role, he really did nothing wrong.

"Military trinkets"? Are you shitting me??? Obviously you have no fucking idea what the hell you are talking about! Some of those "trinkets" represent far more honor, integrity and service than you will ever know. If you don't know what those words mean...google them and educate yourself...

and yes, you have managed to piss me off... and that is not easy to do.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

"Military trinkets"? Are you shitting me??? Obviously you have no fucking idea what the hell you are talking about! Some of those "trinkets" represent far more honor, integrity and service than you will ever know. If you don't know what those words mean...google them and educate yourself...

and yes, you have managed to piss me off... and that is not easy to do.
Obviously the "ARMY" logo that has been put by his board name was put there by mistake.

I don't believe ANY veteran, of ANY branch, would say something so ASININE.

[CSM]

Obviously the "ARMY" logo that has been put by his board name was put there by mistake.

I don't believe ANY veteran, of ANY branch, would say something so ASININE.

I don't know about that but the fact that he (she) wrote that tells me everything I need to know about that person.

[Gunny]

"Military trinkets"? Are you shitting me??? Obviously you have no fucking idea what the hell you are talking about! Some of those "trinkets" represent far more honor, integrity and service than you will ever know. If you don't know what those words mean...google them and educate yourself...

and yes, you have managed to piss me off... and that is not easy to do.Was waiting on you, Sergeant Major. He claims to be one of yours ...

[CSM]

Was waiting on you, Sergeant Major. He claims to be one of yours ...

Ain't one of mine. Claiming and being are two different things. As you well know, there are a few "undesirables" in every branch. Besides, he strikes me a nothing more than a rock with lips....

[aboutime]

There's no such thing as "stolen valor" and unless it can be proven that he profited financially the law will hold him blameless. If he was "well liked" and established a color guard, that shows his innocence. All of those military trinkets mean essentially nothing, life is just a one-act play and this guy was simply fulfilling a role, he really did nothing wrong.


GravyBoat. Would you feel the same if he joined you at the VFW, and started bragging about how much of a hero he wanted everybody to believe he is?

If people like him want to play a roll..They should Go to Hollywood, dress up, and prove how PHONY they are. I would personally avoid talking to him. I knew many like him while I was on active duty for my 30 years. None of them deserved to wear any uniform, other than DOG catcher, or HEAD/LATRINE cleaners. Bottom line. THEY ARE ALL LIARS.
I despise LIARS, no matter who they pretend to be.

[GravyBoat]

GravyBoat. Would you feel the same if he joined you at the VFW, and started bragging about how much of a hero he wanted everybody to believe he is?

If people like him want to play a roll..They should Go to Hollywood, dress up, and prove how PHONY they are. I would personally avoid talking to him. I knew many like him while I was on active duty for my 30 years. None of them deserved to wear any uniform, other than DOG catcher, or HEAD/LATRINE cleaners. Bottom line. THEY ARE ALL LIARS.
I despise LIARS, no matter who they pretend to be.

About what I said earlier, trinkets is what he thinks, so he wears them like a bauble. And I've been to VSO clubs where they lie about their service, they admit as much, they all get together once a month and brag. And so much petty bickering, I was a member of American Legion and Disable American Veterans, and all they did was petty bicker about everything. The DAV chapter I joined, guys were using that to get free stuff all over town, claiming to "help vets" but they were just helping themselves.

I've sat in the VFW bar in town many times, one guy is knocking another guy about his service, the next night the other guy is in there knocking the first guy about his service, both accusing the other of lying.

And a lot of guys wear hats with their branch of service or boat with service ribbons on them, which is nothing more than bragging, although the Holy Bible taught me to avoid vainglory and not to be boastful. I never brag about my service, I rarely ever mention it, there's nothing there worth bragging about or mentioning, it was just another job to me.

Also, when I see someone wearing a lot of military ribbons, it doesn't impress me, I left the military nearly 30 years ago. And it doesn't bother me if some braggart wants to play dress-up. I don't care if someone is or was a Navy Seal, Green Beret, or Cook - we're all the same rank in God's army.

As for the stolen valor laws, unless someone creates a business deception then no law is broken. I realize my opinion is unpopular and you give me bad rep points, but free speech is intended to protect unpopular opinions.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

"Military trinkets"? Are you shitting me??? Obviously you have no fucking idea what the hell you are talking about! Some of those "trinkets" represent far more honor, integrity and service than you will ever know. If you don't know what those words mean...google them and educate yourself...

and yes, you have managed to piss me off... and that is not easy to do.

Woke up, had to take some meds-was on here just to read a short bit. But your excellent comment forced me to log in and respond.
Yes, any person that calls military service awards, purple hearts, etc, ""trinkets"" automatically becomes suspect in my book.
"" honor, integrity and service"" ,that is exactly what the stolen valor guy trashed by lying about his service.

And the comment belittling those award by calling them mere -""trinkets""- was by any standard an insult IMHO.
HELL, PISSED ME OFF TOO- AND I NEVER EVEN SERVED!
Good call CSM, GOOGLE WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE FOR GRAVY TO START, IMHO.. or a handy dictionary if he has one.-Tyr

[Abbey Marie]

About what I said earlier, trinkets is what he thinks, so he wears them like a bauble. And I've been to VSO clubs where they lie about their service, they admit as much, they all get together once a month and brag. And so much petty bickering, I was a member of American Legion and Disable American Veterans, and all they did was petty bicker about everything. The DAV chapter I joined, guys were using that to get free stuff all over town, claiming to "help vets" but they were just helping themselves.

I've sat in the VFW bar in town many times, one guy is knocking another guy about his service, the next night the other guy is in there knocking the first guy about his service, both accusing the other of lying.

And a lot of guys wear hats with their branch of service or boat with service ribbons on them, which is nothing more than bragging, although the Holy Bible taught me to avoid vainglory and not to be boastful. I never brag about my service, I rarely ever mention it, there's nothing there worth bragging about or mentioning, it was just another job to me.

Also, when I see someone wearing a lot of military ribbons, it doesn't impress me, I left the military nearly 30 years ago. And it doesn't bother me if some braggart wants to play dress-up. I don't care if someone is or was a Navy Seal, Green Beret, or Cook - we're all the same rank in God's army.

As for the stolen valor laws, unless someone creates a business deception then no law is broken. I realize my opinion is unpopular and you give me bad rep points, but free speech is intended to protect unpopular opinions.

I did not neg rep you. I'm not one to neg-rep people. I may have a couple of times in umpteen years, but those were for extremely foul-mouthed comments made directly to me.

I think it was the "trinkets" comment that got to us. It was insensitive. My dad received a Bronze Star in WWII, in the Italian campaign, and I can tell you, it was the real deal. I would hate to hear someone refer to that as a trinket. These guys put their lives right on the line. A trinket to me is something more like, say, an Oscar.

And my father was the farthest thing from a braggart. We had to practically pull information out of him about his war experiences. My oldest brother served in Viet Nam, and only recently decided to talk about that experience.

[Gunny]

About what I said earlier, trinkets is what he thinks, so he wears them like a bauble. And I've been to VSO clubs where they lie about their service, they admit as much, they all get together once a month and brag. And so much petty bickering, I was a member of American Legion and Disable American Veterans, and all they did was petty bicker about everything. The DAV chapter I joined, guys were using that to get free stuff all over town, claiming to "help vets" but they were just helping themselves.

I've sat in the VFW bar in town many times, one guy is knocking another guy about his service, the next night the other guy is in there knocking the first guy about his service, both accusing the other of lying.

And a lot of guys wear hats with their branch of service or boat with service ribbons on them, which is nothing more than bragging, although the Holy Bible taught me to avoid vainglory and not to be boastful. I never brag about my service, I rarely ever mention it, there's nothing there worth bragging about or mentioning, it was just another job to me.

Also, when I see someone wearing a lot of military ribbons, it doesn't impress me, I left the military nearly 30 years ago. And it doesn't bother me if some braggart wants to play dress-up. I don't care if someone is or was a Navy Seal, Green Beret, or Cook - we're all the same rank in God's army.

As for the stolen valor laws, unless someone creates a business deception then no law is broken. I realize my opinion is unpopular and you give me bad rep points, but free speech is intended to protect unpopular opinions.Trinkets, huh? What's wrong? Don't have any?

They mean nothing to anyone but me, and I don't feel the need to share, so mine are in the closet in the box where they went when I retired. I also do not go places where displaying them would be appropriate for the occasion. I have one Marine Vietnam vet friend in my little circle. Everyone else is a civilian. When I go on base every 3-4 years, my name is Gunnery Sergeant and I have the ID card to flash at the appropriate occasion.

Point being ... I don't go anywhere that they would matter IF I chose to display them. I did however earn every damned one the hard way. That you relegate them to "trinkets" tells me a LOT if you actually served.

YOU on the other hand appear by your own statements to frequent places where veterans congregate and displaying such things as unit patches, awards and such and where they are considered appropriate. If you go to the VFW where everyone and his 2 month old puppy KNOWS veterans hang out and swap sea stories why act all butt hurt because what you find is veterans swapping sea stories, displaying their service/units/awards? Seems to me you'd be happier at an antifa gathering where you can disrespect any-and-everything.

Yes, you have the freedom of speech those vets bought you. So do we. Your Right does not negate ours. I don't know a thing about the negs, but it stands to reason that just like you going to the VFW, you walked into the wrong place to display your attitude. Common sense is also a privilege you have every Right to exercise.

[aboutime]

Gravy. "TRINKETS" are what John (Vietnam War Hero) called the ribbons he threw over the White House Fence, after bowing down, and kissing "NotsoFonda Jane's" butt after she BETRAYED American prisoners of War in The Hanoi Hilton.

Anybody who awards themselves....Like Kerry did, with his 3 (self appointed) Purple Hearts is....GUILTY OF STOLEN VALOR!

He is a Phony War Hero...in his own Liberal, sick-ass, Empty mind who became the new Millennial VERSON of NEVILE CHAMBERLAIN who helped Obama sell this nation down the river of HATE with the IRAN deal.
So...anybody who calls them TRINKETS, needs to stick them up their ARSE if they really wanna be seen as Hero's.

[GravyBoat]

Trinkets, huh? What's wrong? Don't have any?

They mean nothing to anyone but me, and I don't feel the need to share, so mine are in the closet in the box where they went when I retired. I also do not go places where displaying them would be appropriate for the occasion. I have one Marine Vietnam vet friend in my little circle. Everyone else is a civilian. When I go on base every 3-4 years, my name is Gunnery Sergeant and I have the ID card to flash at the appropriate occasion.

Point being ... I don't go anywhere that they would matter IF I chose to display them. I did however earn every damned one the hard way. That you relegate them to "trinkets" tells me a LOT if you actually served.

YOU on the other hand appear by your own statements to frequent places where veterans congregate and displaying such things as unit patches, awards and such and where they are considered appropriate. If you go to the VFW where everyone and his 2 month old puppy KNOWS veterans hang out and swap sea stories why act all butt hurt because what you find is veterans swapping sea stories, displaying their service/units/awards? Seems to me you'd be happier at an antifa gathering where you can disrespect any-and-everything.

Yes, you have the freedom of speech those vets bought you. So do we. Your Right does not negate ours. I don't know a thing about the negs, but it stands to reason that just like you going to the VFW, you walked into the wrong place to display your attitude. Common sense is also a privilege you have every Right to exercise.

I never said I was butt hurt. Nor did I say you'd no right to complain. You've gotten much exercise here, jumping to conclusions and flying off the handle. All I said was that the law doesn't recognize "stolen valor" as a crime, nobody can steal such a thing. And they've asked me many times to join the VFW but I'm not going to go through all that again.

Napoleon said with enough ribbon he could conquer the world, but such things don't mean anything to me any longer, as a Born Again Christian I see Militarism as a severe mental illness, war is nothing but a folly. Militarism and war appeals to those who enjoy living in the past, living to create a world where the follies of history are destined to repeat.

[Gunny]

I never said I was butt hurt. Nor did I say you'd no right to complain. You've gotten much exercise here, jumping to conclusions and flying off the handle. All I said was that the law doesn't recognize "stolen valor" as a crime, nobody can steal such a thing. And they've asked me many times to join the VFW but I'm not going to go through all that again.

Napoleon said with enough ribbon he could conquer the world, but such things don't mean anything to me any longer, as a Born Again Christian I see Militarism as a severe mental illness, war is nothing but a folly. Militarism and war appeals to those who enjoy living in the past, living to create a world where the follies of history are destined to repeat.Speaking of jumping to conclusions ... try not to assume YOU are worth flying off the handle.

I merely responded to YOUR words; which, I will do again ... you did NOT merely state the law doesn't recognize stolen valor as a crime. You had to denigrate military people and their awards in the process. Then you respond to a non sequitur ... that stolen valor is a an actual crime punishable by law. No one has said that it is.

"Stolen valor" IS the term coined to describe defrauding people by posing as some kind of a hero, no specifically military, when in reality they are not.

Militarism is a reality in the world in which you breathe. It and the people behind it could care less what you think of it, and/or whether nor not you breathe frankly. It's decided every argument since Man first decided to fight over what each other had. Too bad if you don't like it.

I am not a member of ANY veterans groups and could care less whether or not you are. Your generic description of stereotypical veterans doesn't answer the question mark YOU placed over your own head. If none of it matters, why does it say "US Army" by your userID? You have to provide the info for it to be there. Guess it mattered?

Blow smoke up someone else's ass, huh? Playing semantics may work at we-both-know-where-you-came-here-from, but I don't see any of those people's graveyards over here. Just their graves.

[GravyBoat]

You should get a job on a hot air balloon, just talk underneath the balloon and there's no need for propane tanks, so much hot air, you'd be in outer space before too long.

[Gunny]

You should get a job on a hot air balloon, just talk underneath the balloon and there's no need for propane tanks, so much hot air, you'd be in outer space before too long.I hope the 3rd grader you stole THAT from isn't subject to YOUR "intellect" on a regular basis.:rolleyes:

[High_Plains_Drifter]

About what I said earlier, trinkets is what he thinks, so he wears them like a bauble. And I've been to VSO clubs where they lie about their service, they admit as much, they all get together once a month and brag. And so much petty bickering, I was a member of American Legion and Disable American Veterans, and all they did was petty bicker about everything. The DAV chapter I joined, guys were using that to get free stuff all over town, claiming to "help vets" but they were just helping themselves.

I've sat in the VFW bar in town many times, one guy is knocking another guy about his service, the next night the other guy is in there knocking the first guy about his service, both accusing the other of lying.

And a lot of guys wear hats with their branch of service or boat with service ribbons on them, which is nothing more than bragging, although the Holy Bible taught me to avoid vainglory and not to be boastful. I never brag about my service, I rarely ever mention it, there's nothing there worth bragging about or mentioning, it was just another job to me.

Also, when I see someone wearing a lot of military ribbons, it doesn't impress me, I left the military nearly 30 years ago. And it doesn't bother me if some braggart wants to play dress-up. I don't care if someone is or was a Navy Seal, Green Beret, or Cook - we're all the same rank in God's army.

As for the stolen valor laws, unless someone creates a business deception then no law is broken. I realize my opinion is unpopular and you give me bad rep points, but free speech is intended to protect unpopular opinions.
You'll have to excuse me, but the skeptic in me thinks this story is bull shit.

I don't believe you were in the military, I don't believe you've been in a VFW bar, and I don't believe you've ever been a Legion or DAV member.

You're very short on specifics and long on the insults, which just conveniently fits right in with your constant SHITTING on the military. I've been in PLENTY American Legion bars and NEVER heard two veterans bickering about medals or back stabbing themselves when the other isn't around. That's pure horse shit. In fact, VETERANS are some of the best friends I've ever had, and since less than 1% of the public is a veteran or ever joins the military, we're a pretty select crowd, and as far as I've ever seen, we all get along pretty damn good too. So you're stories just sound like BULL CRAP.

You're a fraud and a troll.

[Elessar]

I guess they could burn him. The damage is already done to both he and veterans. He's a done deal unless he gets a whole new identity somewhere else. Even civilians don't like frauds (except Democrats) and are hesitant to hire them. Who wants to hire a fraud?

As far as "stolen valor" goes, he disrespected everyone that ever wore a uniform and EARNED the right to wear it and earned the decorations the hard way. I say lock him in a room with the rest of the real vets in his unit and let THEM "discuss" it with his sorry ass.

I don't know that they can do anything to civilians for impersonating military personnel, especially impersonating former or no longer active military personnel. If he was on active duty, the Army would probably fix his ass right up. The Marines would be a guaranteed max punishment and at least General under other than honorable conditions discharge and a reenlistment code of RE4 (undesirable for service).

I don't get the point to it, myself. These guys work harder at pretending to be something they weren't than if they just went and took the job.

He could be recalled to Active duty to face the appropriate punishment. That option is always
on the table!

[Elessar]

I really don't want to be offensive here, and I DO get why you are angry, but- does his honor guard work ameliorate any of this? We just had a military honor guard at my WWII veteran Dad's funeral, and it really was much loved by everyone. We all agreed it was the most touching and important moment of the day.

Sweet Abbey....

All of this clown's gestures after the fact do NOT lessen his disregard for those he tends to honor.

Fact is, he is a POSER and FAKE, wanting to fit in where he does not belong!

[Elessar]

There's no such thing as "stolen valor" and unless it can be proven that he profited financially the law will hold him blameless. If he was "well liked" and established a color guard, that shows his innocence. All of those military trinkets mean essentially nothing, life is just a one-act play and this guy was simply fulfilling a role, he really did nothing wrong.

Again, You are deluded.

Doug, You are smarter than this. You have had a hard-on for the military for ages.
Settle down and let these guys rant.

TopGunny in military.com was a poser. Was an E-5 Marine, posed as a Master Gunnery SGT.
I busted him to Vince Patton.

He is my RL Brother, so don't get froggy with me.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

... let these guys rant.

Let these guys rant?

[GravyBoat]

Many are upset about this stolen valor thing, but many of those same people will see a Hollywood portrayal of war and think it's the greatest thing ever. It's called brainwashing.

It seems this guy won't be charged since he didn't benefit financially, I can accept that. I'm not saying he did nothing wrong, but he did nothing illegal. Thank God for judges who put limits on government overreach, there's too many of us in their for-profit prisons. Freedom is our ultimate valor and it belongs to all of us equally. And you can't die for freedom, you can only live for freedom.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Many are upset about this stolen valor thing, but many of those same people will see a Hollywood portrayal of war and think it's the greatest thing ever. It's called brainwashing.

It seems this guy won't be charged since he didn't benefit financially, I can accept that. I'm not saying he did nothing wrong, but he did nothing illegal. Thank God for judges who put limits on government overreach, there's too many of us in their for-profit prisons. Freedom is our ultimate valor and it belongs to all of us equally. And you can't die for freedom, you can only live for freedom.
Are you now or have you ever been in a mental ward?

[Elessar]

Let these guys rant?

Aye! Let them rant, and pick on them as You feel!

[GravyBoat]

Again, You are deluded.

Doug, You are smarter than this. You have had a hard-on for the military for ages.
Settle down and let these guys rant.

TopGunny in military.com was a poser. Was an E-5 Marine, posed as a Master Gunnery SGT.
I busted him to Vince Patton.

He is my RL Brother, so don't get froggy with me.

No, I'm not deluded. Have you seen what's going on at VA hospitals? Guys are coming back so screwed up, I mean really messed up in the head, really angry. Combat troops are being dosed with ketamine. That's why ketamine is now a "wonder drug" to treat PTSD, because troops are getting dosed in the field; I saw this being studied on primates 30 years ago, it seems to have been deployed. You know what ketamine does to a person? They get shot and keep going. Complete the mission, that's all that matters in war.

The Yinon Plan For Greater Israel needs bodies so desperately, Uncle Sam now takes sexual deviants and drug addicts. Understand, I don't care about this stolen valor thing, because I don't care about war. If some clown wants to play dress up, I think it's sad, but I don't get angry about it, I have compassion.

What's sad is people so impressed with military uniforms, it promotes war, it makes war somehow noble; but war isn't noble, war is mankind's ultimate folly. Gen. Smedley Butler wrote "War Is a Racket" that I suggest everyone read. Guys here can rant all they want, but what I'm saying is that it's not worth getting upset about, have compassion instead.

I made a remark about trinkets, some of you got so incensed, so let me say this. One thousand years from now, after the United States has gone the way of Carthage and Rome, with all of their war monuments and cemeteries crumbled and gone. In one thousand years, Arlington National Cemetery will be nothing but a faded memory, the people of that time will walk over it and say, "Gee, didn't a failed empire once bury their dead soldiers here?" Then a little boy with no religion reaches down, picking up a military decoration that's worked it's way up though the soil. He hands it to his father and asks, "What's this dad?" And dad says, "Oh, it's just a trinket" and throws it aside. That "trinket" is a Medal of Honor.

Wake up, unless mankind stops warring and worshiping uniforms over peace and love, we're going to make ourselves extinct.

[GravyBoat]

Are you now or have you ever been in a mental ward?

Listen, you're going to understand my point of view on this thing before too long. Instant karma's gonna get you.

[jimnyc]

Respect.

A lot of folks don't understand why the majority are upset at the few NFL players that kneel or ignore the anthem/flag somehow.

Some will not understand how others feel disrespected about "trinkets", and what certain things mean to fellow veterans.

I can only say so much, I only feel qualified to say so much, being someone who never served. But I have an awful lot of respect for those who have served. I'm the type to buy a meal for a veteran or a currently serving person, just because. I'd sure hate to think I'd ever been duped based on a uniform or a medal. I don't ask about them, that's their business, I just respect them.

[aboutime]

Many are upset about this stolen valor thing, but many of those same people will see a Hollywood portrayal of war and think it's the greatest thing ever. It's called brainwashing.

It seems this guy won't be charged since he didn't benefit financially, I can accept that. I'm not saying he did nothing wrong, but he did nothing illegal. Thank God for judges who put limits on government overreach, there's too many of us in their for-profit prisons. Freedom is our ultimate valor and it belongs to all of us equally. And you can't die for freedom, you can only live for freedom.

Bottom line you overlooked, or ignored Gravy. Without the military, and Americans in uniform prepared to Protect the nation..."Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."(B. Franklin)
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[High_Plains_Drifter]

Listen, you're going to understand my point of view on this thing before too long. Instant karma's gonna get you.
No I won't. I see a bitter old man that's probably had the shit scared out of him that's now turned into a ranting, anti military pacifist.

Fine and dandy with me, and let me know when you find this freakin' compassionate utopia, OK? I'd really like to see it. In the meantime, I'll stick to the reality of the world as it is, good, bad or indifferent, and I won't be tattooing "JUST SHOOT ME" on my forehead like you must have.

Instant karma my ass, whatever the fuck that is anyway.

[Gunny]

Again, You are deluded.

Doug, You are smarter than this. You have had a hard-on for the military for ages.
Settle down and let these guys rant.

TopGunny in military.com was a poser. Was an E-5 Marine, posed as a Master Gunnery SGT.
I busted him to Vince Patton.

He is my RL Brother, so don't get froggy with me.WHAT THE FUCK is a "TopGunny"? Sounds like some sort of Promethean experiment. In no WAY, SHAPE, nor FORM is ANYTHING or ANYONE called a "TopGunny". A Master Gunnery Sergeant is as addressed as "Master Gunnery Sergeant", "Master Guns" or IF he lets you, "Top". They mostly DON'T "let you".

At NO POINT does "Gunny" and "E-9 MGySgt" meet, unless it's at the coffee pot. And you say this dumbass was a Sgt? BIGGER dumbass. He should known the rank.

[Gunny]

Many are upset about this stolen valor thing, but many of those same people will see a Hollywood portrayal of war and think it's the greatest thing ever. It's called brainwashing.

It seems this guy won't be charged since he didn't benefit financially, I can accept that. I'm not saying he did nothing wrong, but he did nothing illegal. Thank God for judges who put limits on government overreach, there's too many of us in their for-profit prisons. Freedom is our ultimate valor and it belongs to all of us equally. And you can't die for freedom, you can only live for freedom.Bullshit. Tell that pussy shit to my Corporal. I can give you a plot # where you can speak directly to him.

What a loser. He died so YOU could be free? Piss-poor trade from where I'm sitting.

[Gunny]

No, I'm not deluded. Have you seen what's going on at VA hospitals? Guys are coming back so screwed up, I mean really messed up in the head, really angry. Combat troops are being dosed with ketamine. That's why ketamine is now a "wonder drug" to treat PTSD, because troops are getting dosed in the field; I saw this being studied on primates 30 years ago, it seems to have been deployed. You know what ketamine does to a person? They get shot and keep going. Complete the mission, that's all that matters in war.

The Yinon Plan For Greater Israel needs bodies so desperately, Uncle Sam now takes sexual deviants and drug addicts. Understand, I don't care about this stolen valor thing, because I don't care about war. If some clown wants to play dress up, I think it's sad, but I don't get angry about it, I have compassion.

What's sad is people so impressed with military uniforms, it promotes war, it makes war somehow noble; but war isn't noble, war is mankind's ultimate folly. Gen. Smedley Butler wrote "War Is a Racket" that I suggest everyone read. Guys here can rant all they want, but what I'm saying is that it's not worth getting upset about, have compassion instead.

I made a remark about trinkets, some of you got so incensed, so let me say this. One thousand years from now, after the United States has gone the way of Carthage and Rome, with all of their war monuments and cemeteries crumbled and gone. In one thousand years, Arlington National Cemetery will be nothing but a faded memory, the people of that time will walk over it and say, "Gee, didn't a failed empire once bury their dead soldiers here?" Then a little boy with no religion reaches down, picking up a military decoration that's worked it's way up though the soil. He hands it to his father and asks, "What's this dad?" And dad says, "Oh, it's just a trinket" and throws it aside. That "trinket" is a Medal of Honor.

Wake up, unless mankind stops warring and worshiping uniforms over peace and love, we're going to make ourselves extinct..Shut up, pussy. You're damned right we come back angry. .All it takes is a special little disrespectful piece of shit to bring that anger out.

Nobody's being dosed with shit, Frankenstein. Try going to a VA hospital or military hospital and talking to someone with a clue instead of spreading leftwingnut lies. You are one Hell of a piece of work.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Have you seen what's going on at VA hospitals? Guys are coming back so screwed up, I mean really messed up in the head, really angry. Combat troops are being dosed with ketamine. That's why ketamine is now a "wonder drug" to treat PTSD,
I've been going to VA hospitals for 35 YEARS now, was at the Madison VA hospital two days ago, and I personally know a fair number of combat troops WITH PTSD from as far back as VIETNAM, and I have NEVER heard of this drug, EVER, and that would INCLUDE my own brother, two tours in Vietnam, took his own life because of PTSD back in '86, God rest his soul, and I know for a fact they never gave him any of this whateverthefuck drug. My neighbors son, Marine, combat Iraq, PTSD, I know him WELL, and I know for a FACT he was never given this crap.

You sound like a real conspiracy theory nut case. I still very much doubt you're a veteran. I think you're just a whack job.

[aboutime]

I have been using VA hospitals, Doctors, Nurses, Ombudsman, and volunteers who serve for nothing since I retired in 1995. You must live on another planet, or are simply talking, using the complaints of others like you WHO ONLY SURVIVE by complaining all the time. NEVER, have I had a bad visit, treatment, or Physical Therapy that has been anything other than wonderful.
So. My gift to you is this....simply...
<img src="https://media.makeameme.org/created/You-have-no-jns33m.png">

Merry Christmas!

[Gunny]

I've been going to VA hospitals for 35 YEARS now, was at the Madison VA hospital two days ago, and I personally know a fair number of combat troops WITH PTSD from as far back as VIETNAM, and I have NEVER heard of this drug, EVER, and that would INCLUDE my own brother, two tours in Vietnam, took his own life because of PTSD back in '86, God rest his soul, and I know for a fact they never gave him any of this whateverthefuck drug. My neighbors son, Marine, combat Iraq, PTSD, I know him WELL, and I know for a FACT he was never given this crap.

You sound like a real conspiracy theory nut case. I still very much doubt you're a veteran. I think you're just a whack job.It's anesthesia used mostly by veterinarians. I guess we're dogs now, too.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

It's anesthesia used mostly by veterinarians. I guess we're dogs now, too.
I'd never heard of it, but there is some very interesting reading about it online. I didn't know it's the DATE RAPE drug because taken in large doses it produces what they call a "K-HOLE," and you're just out of it, hallucinating, or having an out of body experience, or it kills ya.

Sounds dangerous as hell to me, but it appears the Army has been screwing around with it... learn something new every day...

http://www.drugfreeworld.org/drugfacts/prescription/ketamine.html

http://www.usmedicine.com/agencies/department-of-defense-dod/no-longer-just-a-horse-drug-ketamine-increasingly-used-for-military-pain-management/

[Gunny]

I'd never heard of it, but there is some very interesting reading about it online. I didn't know it's the DATE RAPE drug because taken in large doses it produces what they call a "K-HOLE," and you're just out of it, hallucinating, or having an out of body experience, or it kills ya.

Sounds dangerous as hell to me, but it appears the Army has been screwing around with it... learn something new every day...

http://www.drugfreeworld.org/drugfacts/prescription/ketamine.html

http://www.usmedicine.com/agencies/department-of-defense-dod/no-longer-just-a-horse-drug-ketamine-increasingly-used-for-military-pain-management/Who knows what they're doing? I doubt it is in the negative light as portrayed. Just MAYBE the Army is trying to help someone? There's a thought ...