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jimnyc
12-06-2017, 05:23 PM
Six Palestinian Lies About Trump’s Decision to Recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s Capital

President Donald Trump on Wednesday declared that “it is time to officially recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel,” calling the move “a long overdue step to advance the peace process.”

In response to the move, the Palestinian Authority and numerous Arab nations have launched a propaganda offensive based on lies and misinformation. Most of the dishonest talking points have not been countered by the news media. Below, in no particular order, are six of those lies that must be called out.

1 – The embassy move does not impact the PA’s ability to create a state.

Contrary to the Palestinian Authority’s propaganda claim that Trump’s move negates their ability to form a Palestinian state with a capital in Jerusalem, the U.S. moving its embassy to the city does no such thing. It is illogical to argue that the presence of a U.S. embassy in Jerusalem impacts the PA’s statehood plans in any way.

The only thing standing in the way of the PA having a state is the Palestinians’ own abject refusal to accept numerous statehood offers while rejecting Israel’s very existence. Indeed, the Palestinian Authority has rejected every single Israeli offer of a state. Those state offers were made at Camp David in 2000, Taba in 2001, the Annapolis Conference in 2007 and more offers were made in 2008. It was recently reported that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu quietly made another such offer in 2014. Most of the statehood offers included a Palestinian capital in eastern sections of Jerusalem.

In all of these cases, the PA not only refused generous Israeli offers of statehood and bolted negotiations without counteroffers. In some cases, they responded with major escalations of violence, infamously including the murderous Second Palestinian Intifada in 2001.

Far from impeding their statehood claims, Trump’s embassy move might serve to pressure the PA into negotiations, understanding that momentum is moving away from their direction if they don’t act. Of course, if the PA wanted a state living in peace alongside Israel they would not need to be pressured into accepting such a concept given that Israel has always been a willing partner for peace and has already made offers numerous times.

2 – Abbas claims that Trump withdrew from the so-called peace process when he did no such thing.

Abbas dishonestly claimed that Trump’s decision was a “declaration of the withdrawal of the United States” from the so-called peace process.

Perhaps Abbas didn’t catch Trump’s actual speech, in which he explained the move was meant to further the so-called peace process.

Trump stated: “I’ve judged this course of action to be in the best interests of the United States of America and the pursuit of peace between Israel and the Palestinians. This is a long overdue step to advance the peace process. And to work towards a lasting agreement.”

I further responded to Abbas’s “withdrawal” claim on Twitter:

https://i.imgur.com/Jp6dqKo.png

3 – PA warnings about violence are really threats against the U.S.

The PA and numerous Arab countries have been warning that Trump’s Jerusalem decision could lead to an escalation of violence. These “warnings” seem not only to justify a violent reaction but to almost encourage violence in response to Trump’s announcement. The statements serve as implied threats against U.S. interests and should not be tolerated. The warnings only serve to expose the radicalism of those who annunciate such barely veiled threats.

4 – The embassy move will not isolate the U.S.

Israeli Education Minister Naftali Bennett correctly pointed out in a statement emailed to Breitbart News:

On May 15, 1948, the United States, led by President Truman, was the first nation to recognize the newly declared State of Israel. The rest of the world quickly followed. The President did so despite the huge pressures from within.

Today, Trump showed real leadership and I fully expect allies of Israel to eventually follow the president’s example. Already, the speaker of the National Assembly of Tanzania, Job Ndugai, stated of Trump’s decision, “I believe it will be followed suit by several African countries, Tanzania included, to move said quarters from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.”

5 – The Palestinians claim Trump’s decision to recognize Israel’s capital will change facts on the ground.

This while hypocritically constructing illegal housing units on Jewish-owned property that have already changed facts on the ground by grabbing land in Jerusalem.

While Trump’s decision does not impede the Palestinians’ statehood bid (see #1 above), the Palestinians have been busy constructing illegally on Jewish-owned property in Jerusalem.

The illegal Palestinian construction has worked to generate facts on the ground, creating de facto Palestinian neighborhoods inside peripheral Jerusalem that are virtual no-go zones for Israeli civilians. The illegal housing has impacted previous Israeli-Palestinian negotiations. Numerous Israeli-Palestinian peace proposals designated these very areas future Palestinian territory due to the large concentrations of Palestinians living in them.

In 2007, this reporter extensively investigated those areas and found Jewish-owned land was utilized to illegally construct Palestinian apartment buildings, a refugee camp and a United Nations school.

I reported at the time:


The properties in question include about 270 acres in the northern Jerusalem neighborhoods of Qalandia and Kfar Akev, located near an old Israeli airport, and about 50 acres in a north Jerusalem suburb known as Shoafat, which is adjacent to the Jewish neighborhood of Pisgat Zeev.

The lands were legally purchased on behalf of JNF using Jewish donations in the early 1900s, immediately after the organization was founded in 1901 with the specific charge of repurchasing and developing the land of Israel for Jewish settlement.

A tour of Qalandiya and Kfar Akev found dozens of Arab apartment complexes, a Palestinian refugee camp and a United Nations school for Palestinians constructed on the land.

I also reported in 2009 these de facto Palestinian enclaves in peripheral Jerusalem neighborhoods have become virtual no-go zones for Jewish Israelis due to security concerns. The Jerusalem police confirmed at the time that security arrangements discourage Israeli Jews from entering the neighborhoods. Those security arrangements are still in effect today.

6 – The Al Aqsa Mosque is not threatened by Trump’s Jerusalem announcement.

The Palestinians have been making this ludicrous claim in their protests against the U.S. policy pronouncement. They don’t explain how an embassy move – in a few years from now, and to an unknown location as of today – threatens the mosque located on the Temple Mount.

The only threat to the Mosque complex are the Palestinians themselves, at least as far as freedom of worship. Israel allows the Jordanian and Palestinian-controlled Waqf to serve as custodians of the Temple Mount and grants Muslim worshipers access to the Mount 24 hours per day, seven days a week with the exception of rare instances of security threats.

Jewish and Christian visitors, however, are restricted by the Waqf from visiting the Mount except on small tours for about two hours per day. The Waqf does not allow non-Muslims to pray on the Mount or bring holy objects to the site; whereas Muslim prayer is unrestricted. Waqf representatives closely monitor non-Muslim visitors to the site and are known to boot those engaging in prayer.

http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017/12/06/four-palestinian-lies-trumps-decision-recognize-jerusalem-israels-capital/

pete311
12-06-2017, 08:16 PM
TRUMP’S JERUSALEM DECISION IMMEDIATELY PROMPTS PROTESTS AFTER HE CLAIMED IT WOULD “ADVANCE THE PEACE PROCESS”

http://www.newsweek.com/trumps-jerusalem-decision-immediately-prompts-protests-after-he-claimed-it-740273


White House admits Trump's Jerusalem decision hurts peace process

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/06/politics/jerusalem-peace-process-white-house/index.html

High_Plains_Drifter
12-06-2017, 08:42 PM
TRUMP’S JERUSALEM DECISION IMMEDIATELY PROMPTS PROTESTS AFTER HE CLAIMED IT WOULD “ADVANCE THE PEACE PROCESS”

http://www.newsweek.com/trumps-jerusalem-decision-immediately-prompts-protests-after-he-claimed-it-740273


White House admits Trump's Jerusalem decision hurts peace process

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/06/politics/jerusalem-peace-process-white-house/index.html
What peace process?

pete311
12-06-2017, 11:51 PM
What peace process?

Ask the white house.

LongTermGuy
12-07-2017, 01:31 AM
TRUMP’S JERUSALEM DECISION IMMEDIATELY PROMPTS PROTESTS AFTER HE CLAIMED IT WOULD “ADVANCE THE PEACE PROCESS”

http://www.newsweek.com/trumps-jerusalem-decision-immediately-prompts-protests-after-he-claimed-it-740273


White House admits Trump's Jerusalem decision hurts peace process

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/06/politics/jerusalem-peace-process-white-house/index.html



You need to put things in Prospective ...Isreal can do what ever it wants on its own land....


1) The muzzies will always hate Israel...


2) CNN is a load of horse shit full off twist...spin and lies.."Americans know this already

"White House officials"

"Two senior White house"officials"


^^^^^^^^^^
Typical `CNN` and leftist Media..never mentioning names ..always "hearsay"....and painting with a wide brush..to make it sound like its true...to keep their Lemming readers happy...No wonder they have a very LOW rating....



​Most are happy with Trumps decision...and its about time...!!

**Muslims will always riot...Muslims will always Kill...Nothing new here @pete...

Thank God Trump did this!

*Hey pete...listen-up...>> God Bless Israel....and God Bless America...:salute:

Black Diamond
12-07-2017, 01:34 AM
I am glad we are back to siding with Israel.

jimnyc
12-07-2017, 11:14 AM
TRUMP’S JERUSALEM DECISION IMMEDIATELY PROMPTS PROTESTS AFTER HE CLAIMED IT WOULD “ADVANCE THE PEACE PROCESS”

http://www.newsweek.com/trumps-jerusalem-decision-immediately-prompts-protests-after-he-claimed-it-740273


White House admits Trump's Jerusalem decision hurts peace process

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/06/politics/jerusalem-peace-process-white-house/index.html


Ask the white house.

Newsweek - just bring up their articles from the past 6 months - VERY liberal. But still proper news and I'll answer. DUH! Trump claimed it would ultimately advance the peace process. But there are some protests immediately after the decision. So what, does Newsweek and others then declare this a loss, because people are protesting? LOL

This WH simply made a decision that past administrations were too scared to make - or past administrations were not solidly behind our ally Israel. Folks like Pete will declare this a total loss, because people will be protesting this decision.

This is where it SHOULD be, and it's THEIR LAND. It IS historic. If you want to point to the WH and make this a problem, a loss or whatever - so be it. I'm glad and proud for Israel, consequences and all. If the liberals don't like it, don't like to see Israel getting their capital in the appropriate place, and have an issue with what an ally of ours does and wants, well then oh well. :dunno:

But thumbs up for Israel and Netanyahu!! :thumb:

pete311
12-07-2017, 11:29 AM
Newsweek - just bring up their articles from the past 6 months - VERY liberal.

And? You post from extremely right wing sites. Facts are reported in each. Either there are or aren't protests. Either the white house made a claim or they didn't.

jimnyc
12-07-2017, 11:58 AM
And? You post from extremely right wing sites. Facts are reported in each. Either there are or aren't protests. Either the white house made a claim or they didn't.

I sure do, but most are slightly to the right, and then a few hard right. I never denied it. But I check on the facts each and every time before I post it. So it's usually the facts, along with admittedly a nitwit rightie writer.

What did they claim so inappropriately? This is a part of the ultimate peace process. Yes, some folks immediately protested. And quite frankly, I'm sure we'll see protests for some time to come. Not everyone will agree with this decision. But he did NOT remove the USA from any processes ongoing.

Mainly, what is next, and will be shown to the world - how do MUSLIMS respond to this. Will THEY act appropriately and protest like humans should they disagree in some fashion? Will they take it to the proper places to protest if they disagree and want it changed? Will they ultimately accept this? Will they get violent when no one is getting violent with them? DO NOT attempt to blame any future violence on Trump and/or the USA for the actions of muslims, or worse, terrorists that disagree. And let's not mince words - Hamas are terrorists. If they attack Jerusalem, or anyone in anyway due to this change, then it should be seen as terrorist attacks.

Black Diamond
12-07-2017, 11:59 AM
And? You post from extremely right wing sites. Facts are reported in each. Either there are or aren't protests. Either the white house made a claim or they didn't.
Sounds good. I'll start posting facts from the onion.

jimnyc
12-07-2017, 12:03 PM
See Pete, for example, this is NOT a proper response - and is NOT Trump's fault, nor the USA.

The amazing thing is, at times like this - folks will call out Trump, blame Trump because of his decision, blame the USA for supporting Israel and all kinds of other crap - but many will fail to recognize and/or call out these types of scumbags, and these types may very well end up being terrorists.
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'Death to Israel' Calls Published on Twitter after President Trump’s Jerusalem Announcement

In the wake of President Trump’s announcement to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, anti-Semitic tweets calling for the extermination of America’s strongest allies in the Middle East have been posted to the social media platform Twitter — with some posts addressed directly to the president at his personal Twitter account @realDonaldTrump. Tweets also included calls for "death to America."

PJ Media uncovered the following tweets on the microblogging site:

https://i.imgur.com/CgZhQDN.png

https://i.imgur.com/M1PEG6h.png

https://i.imgur.com/xXf8SPJ.png

https://i.imgur.com/4xBgFhl.png

https://i.imgur.com/KR2RkiT.png

Twitter gives users the ability to report tweets that are “abusive or harmful.” Furthermore, the platform allows users to detail reasons for the abusive and harmful nature of such tweets, including but not limited to posts that threaten “violence or physical harm,” direct “hate against a race, religion, gender, or orientation,” include “targeted harassment,” and posts that could be considered “disrespectful or offensive.”

As of this writing, the posts embedded here have not been removed. Also as of this writing, PJ Media terrorism expert and foreign policy reporter Bridget Johnson remains suspended from the social media platform for reasons yet to be given by the company.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/death-israel-calls-published-twitter-president-trumps-jerusalem-announcement/

Black Diamond
12-07-2017, 12:22 PM
See Pete, for example, this is NOT a proper response - and is NOT Trump's fault, nor the USA.

The amazing thing is, at times like this - folks will call out Trump, blame Trump because of his decision, blame the USA for supporting Israel and all kinds of other crap - but many will fail to recognize and/or call out these types of scumbags, and these types may very well end up being terrorists.
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'Death to Israel' Calls Published on Twitter after President Trump’s Jerusalem Announcement

In the wake of President Trump’s announcement to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, anti-Semitic tweets calling for the extermination of America’s strongest allies in the Middle East have been posted to the social media platform Twitter — with some posts addressed directly to the president at his personal Twitter account @realDonaldTrump. Tweets also included calls for "death to America."

PJ Media uncovered the following tweets on the microblogging site:

https://i.imgur.com/CgZhQDN.png

https://i.imgur.com/M1PEG6h.png

https://i.imgur.com/xXf8SPJ.png

https://i.imgur.com/4xBgFhl.png

https://i.imgur.com/KR2RkiT.png

Twitter gives users the ability to report tweets that are “abusive or harmful.” Furthermore, the platform allows users to detail reasons for the abusive and harmful nature of such tweets, including but not limited to posts that threaten “violence or physical harm,” direct “hate against a race, religion, gender, or orientation,” include “targeted harassment,” and posts that could be considered “disrespectful or offensive.”

As of this writing, the posts embedded here have not been removed. Also as of this writing, PJ Media terrorism expert and foreign policy reporter Bridget Johnson remains suspended from the social media platform for reasons yet to be given by the company.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/death-israel-calls-published-twitter-president-trumps-jerusalem-announcement/
You're just intolerant of Muslims, Jim.

pete311
12-07-2017, 12:50 PM
See Pete, for example, this is NOT a proper response

Agreed, and? Would you like me to easily dig up what some shit head alt rights said about obama on twitter?

Black Diamond
12-07-2017, 12:54 PM
Agreed, and? Would you like me to easily dig up what some shit head alt rights said about obama on twitter?
False equivalency in 5...4....3....

jimnyc
12-07-2017, 01:33 PM
Agreed, and? Would you like me to easily dig up what some shit head alt rights said about obama on twitter?

Seriously, are you fucking slightly retarded? Can you not converse properly with someone? I find it odd, quite frankly.

Nothing folks on the right said in the past has ANYTHING to do with this, number one.

We are talking about this move to Jerusalem, and responses, and the lies from the Palestinians right off the bat. Then it went into the "peace process". Trump's idea down the road is to further the peaceful process between the Israeli's and the Palestinians. They've been fighting since the first fossils were created, so I wish them the best of luck.

Then I pointed out how some folks have responded to this move, and how they feel about Israel and/or the United States. I further pointed out, that IF there is violence, or worse, a terror attack of sorts, that these actions are the responsibility of those committing the violence, not Trump or the USA of course, nor Israel.

Then for some odd reason, you come back with talk of finding old twitter stuff directed at Obama? Whatever.