What is the current definition of a sexual harasser?

[Russ]

I'm wondering what the new threshold is before a political figure is considered a sexual harasser. I don't think a conviction is required any more. Is one accusation enough, or does it take multiple? Is there a magic number? Are three accusations not enough, but four accusations does it? Five, anyone?

In regard to Roy Moore, who seems to be patient zero in the current new cycle, I finally got tired of hearing the media make insinuations with no actual details, and I tried looking it up to see what the facts are. The results - the only facts I've heard is that there are several accusers, but what they are accusing him of is kind of sketchy. And I literally can't find an article about it that doesn't sound obviously politically motivated. Does anyone have a link to a straightforward article? If so, please give me a reply here with a link.

In regard to Bill Clinton, who is the real patient zero, it seems like no amount of stained cocktail dresses, or harassment accusations, or even rape accusations was ever enough for most of the media.


By the way, most of the media doesn't want to talk about Al Franken or John Conyers, but they love talking about Roy Moore. What's the difference? Hmmm. It couldn't be political party, could it?

[NightTrain]

I don't know. It's kind of a tough subject.

I know that back in the day when I was a sales rep wearing a suit & tie every day, the Sales Manager - my boss - was a woman. One of her favorite sayings was : "Sexual harassment will not be reported. It will, however, be graded." That was pretty funny, and there were sexual jokes flying all over the place when it was just us sales reps in the office. No one took it personally or even thought to report it - and the lone woman in the office, our boss, was the worst of all of us. It was just funny to joke about it to get a laugh, and we laughed a lot.

I can totally see someone making a joke and getting raked over the coals for it, these days. Throw in a couple of Gloria Allreds and you've got a company paying millions in damages.



I'm not buying the Roy Moore allegations. The timing was very suspicious and the more it gets investigated, the more the details don't add up : the yearbook signature isn't his, she didn't have a phone in her room according to her mother, the supposed rendezvous place was a mile away from her house where he picked her up, the restaurant never closed at 10 like she said, her ex-boyfriend doesn't believe her, her stepson doesn't believe her, etc. Add Gloria Allred to that mix and it screams payday.

I don't know much about the other accusers, but that one was the first one and it stinks to high heaven.


Al Franken, on the other hand... well, a sitting US Senator groping for a set of boobs on a sleeping woman while posing for a picture is pretty tacky. Grabbing a woman's ass while her husband is standing right there is a quick way to earn a broken nose and it's too bad the husband didn't give him one. He's dirty and needs to be removed.

He won't step down, though. He's keeping his head down and trying to weather the storm.

[tailfins]

Sexual harasser: Some who doesn't let a feminist exercise her "pussy privilege". That's up to and including disqualifying unacceptable political candidates.

[NightTrain]

Sexual harasser: Some who doesn't let a feminist exercise her "pussy privilege". That's up to and including disqualifying unacceptable political candidates.


This is a subject that you should avoid like the plague.

[aboutime]

Anything, anybody, says, does, looks at, frowns at, laughs at, smiles at, compliments, ignores, sneaks a peek at, pretends not to see, does not comment to, or about, or has any possibility of insulting, offending, bothering, anyone, or anybody who finds other human beings to be insulting, offensive, funny, sad, stupid, ignorant, or INVADING of PERSONAL SAFE SPACES....designated by ignorant, spoiled, lazy, Americans who have no common sense, but are infected with TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME.

[tailfins]

This is a subject that you should avoid like the plague.


Nah, just avoid potential accusers like the plague.

[Abbey Marie]

I have a Dem friend who said that of all the sex harasser stories in the news, the only allegations she believes are the ones against Roy Moore and Trump. This includes not believing the actions of the photographed-in-the-act harasser Al Franken, and the DNA proved intern- abuser Bill Clinton. That tells me all I need to know about the partisan hypocrisy of this subject.

As for the other type of comment in this thread, what we are actually seeing here is d*ck privilege.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Sexual harasser: Some who doesn't let a feminist exercise her "pussy privilege". That's up to and including disqualifying unacceptable political candidates.

So according to you it is not men that are truly guilty of sexual harassment?????
Are you that daft, as to think that many men do not do so , especially when they hold any power/authority of the female they accost?
Or they dealings with, especially in cases where no other person is there to witness.
Hell, over these many years and long ago, I HAVE SEEN BOSSES OPENLY DO SO TO WOMEN.
Once , I even had a private ""talk"" with a boss, about how and why he had better cease doing that to a friend of mine at work.
Do not act as if it does not occur or that its all to be blamed on the women..
Any man doing such to my wife or one of my sisters would sooner or later, find me stomping the living hell out of him.. A damn Fact.
I am not talking about innocent flirting, I am speaking about true harassment.-Tyr

[NightTrain]

Nah, just avoid potential accusers like the plague.


So, once you've identified a woman who will keep her mouth shut, full speed ahead, right?

[tailfins]

So according to you it is not men that are truly guilty of sexual harassment?????
Are you that daft, as to think that many men do not do so , especially when they hold any power/authority of the female they accost?
Or they dealings with, especially in cases where no other person is there to witness.
Hell, over these many years and long ago, I HAVE SEEN BOSSES OPENLY DO SO TO WOMEN.
Once , I even had a private ""talk"" with a boss, about how and why he had better cease doing that to a friend of mine at work.
Do not act as if it does not occur or that its all to be blamed on the women..
Any man doing such to my wife or one of my sisters would sooner or later, find me stomping the living hell out of him.. A damn Fact.
I am not talking about innocent flirting, I am speaking about true harassment.-Tyr


I have been in the corporate environment for nearly 30 years and never saw a woman sexually harassed. Maybe in your blue collar world it happens. From the very beginning of my first professional job, there was a common motto of "don't shit where you eat". That means that you don't fraternize with women at.work. What I have seen from colleagues in the workplace is women that walk up to guys and say things like "hey nerd/geek/dweeb, I want this fixed/done now".

[jimnyc]

I have a Dem friend who said that of all the sex harasser stories in the news, the only allegations she believes are the ones against Roy Moore and Trump. This includes not believing the actions of the photographed harasser Al Franken, and the DNA proved intern- abuser Bill Clinton. That tells me all I need to know about the partisan hypocrisy of this subject.

As for the other type of comment in this thread, what we are actually seeing here is d*ck privilege.

I've seen the same. Finding a way to absolve or minimize any actions of those on the left, while calling for the death penalty, figuratively of course, for anyone on the right - regardless of ANY proof.

[jimnyc]

I have been in the corporate environment for nearly 30 years and never saw a woman sexually harassed. Maybe in your blue collar world it happens. From the very beginning of my first professional job, there was a common motto of "don't shit where you eat". That means that you don't fraternize with women at.work. What I have seen from colleagues in the workplace is women that walk up to guys and say things like "hey nerd/geek/dweeb, I want this fixed/done now".

You fail to pay attention or are very one sided in your views. Or you have zero friends that hang as a group where they actually talk among one another.

I'm biting my fingernails while reading FB and twitter, waiting to see someone I used to work with to write "#Me too" LOL

Always worked in great groups in the IT field, and there were some women sprinkled in with us. Then in the corporate world, the IT department as a whole would be almost 50/50 in gender. So many of us got the pleasure of working together.

When just the guys, we were pretty much pigs, and often!! I tried to scold and hold them bastards in line the best I could... :laugh:

Then the angelic women we worked with would eventually open up, and then I would have to show them my angelic side as well. https://i.imgur.com/zdN7KwT.gif

And it's not like my asking to perhaps someday see some boobies, didn't start here or at the old digs. And no, I have never gotten to see them in real life either. Well, I mean in that manner anyway. :)

What we all called fun, working together, messing with one another - others may have seen as sexual harassment. Party poopers!! LOL

Twas always in good fun, NEVER once in a "wrong" manner, and I truly believe everyone knows darned well what I mean by that. Messing around with friends and actually sexually harassing someone is 2 totally different ballgames.

[tailfins]

You fail to pay attention or are very one sided in your views. Or you have zero friends that hang as a group where they actually talk among one another.

I'm biting my fingernails while reading FB and twitter, waiting to see someone I used to work with to write "#Me too" LOL

Always worked in great groups in the IT field, and there were some women sprinkled in with us. Then in the corporate world, the IT department as a whole would be almost 50/50 in gender. So many of us got the pleasure of working together.

When just the guys, we were pretty much pigs, and often!! I tried to scold and hold them bastards in line the best I could... :laugh:

Then the angelic women we worked with would eventually open up, and then I would have to show them my angelic side as well. https://i.imgur.com/zdN7KwT.gif

And it's not like my asking to perhaps someday see some boobies, didn't start here or at the old digs. And no, I have never gotten to see them in real life either. Well, I mean in that manner anyway. :)

What we all called fun, working together, messing with one another - others may have seen as sexual harassment. Party poopers!! LOL

Twas always in good fun, NEVER once in a "wrong" manner, and I truly believe everyone knows darned well what I mean by that. Messing around with friends and actually sexually harassing someone is 2 totally different ballgames.


Why take the chance? What's interesting and fortunate is that the office Harpies disappear when the social events are either LAN parties or Chess competitions. You know as well as I do that we in the "pocket protector" crowd (cell phone is the front shirt pocket is the modern equivalent) are the one's that get things done and make things work. With a few exceptions, women are a distraction, problem and an annoyance. When I wanted to date back when I was single, the cleaning girl or cashier at a corner restaurant or food counter was all I needed. The local Latin American mission was also a good place to get dates. Again: Don't shit where you eat. I will give you this much: Nerds know they're nerds and know not to do anything that would even remotely be considered sexual harassment. Being a grump to women and keeping women away is a solid strategy to avoid being accused of sexual harassment.

You almost seem to communicate that women want to be sexually harassed, just not too much and only by men that they like. That then brings the question: What if a man sexually harasses a woman that wants it today, but decided after that fact that she didn't want it?

Thinking about this topic makes me remember my Graduate Statistics professor. He used to tell me that dating was a waste of time and needless frustration. He offered to take me to India where I would return with a responsible, reliable wife. However, I just wasn't interested in a Hindu wife.

[Abbey Marie]

Why take the chance? What's interesting and fortunate is that the office Harpies disappear when the social events are either LAN parties or Chess competitions. You know as well as I do that we in the "pocket protector" crowd (cell phone is the front shirt pocket is the modern equivalent) are the one's that get things done and make things work. With a few exceptions, women are a distraction, problem and an annoyance. When I wanted to date back when I was single, the cleaning girl or cashier at a corner restaurant or food counter was all I needed. The local Latin American mission was also a good place to get dates. Again: Don't shit where you eat. I will give you this much: Nerds know they're nerds and know not to do anything that would even remotely be considered sexual harassment. Being a grump to women and keeping women away is a solid strategy to avoid being accused of sexual harassment.

You almost seem to communicate that women want to be sexually harassed, just not too much and only by men that they like. That then brings the question: What if a man sexually harasses a woman that wants it today, but decided after that fact that she didn't want it?

Thinking about this topic makes me remember my Graduate Statistics professor. He used to tell me that dating was a waste of time and needless frustration. He offered to take me to India where I would return with a responsible, reliable wife. However, I just wasn't interested in a Hindu wife.

Russ and I met at work. In the computer field, no less. Happily married for 28 years, and we are probably more in love now than ever.
Maybe your problem is that the only way you could imagine interacting with a woman is equivalent to sh*t?

[Russ]

I don't know. It's kind of a tough subject.

I know that back in the day when I was a sales rep wearing a suit & tie every day, the Sales Manager - my boss - was a woman. One of her favorite sayings was : "Sexual harassment will not be reported. It will, however, be graded." That was pretty funny, and there were sexual jokes flying all over the place when it was just us sales reps in the office. No one took it personally or even thought to report it - and the lone woman in the office, our boss, was the worst of all of us. It was just funny to joke about it to get a laugh, and we laughed a lot.



Your sales manager sounds like quite a character. :laugh: Reminds me of my boss at my last job - possibly the least politically-correct human being currently in corporate America, because of his constant dirty jokes. He had quite the knack for getting people to grit their teeth on one side of their mouth while laughing out of the other side of their mouth. At one point his office got moved to another floor where there were mostly 30 to 50 year old administrative women just outside his office, and we were taking bets on how many days it would take before he had a sexual harassment complaint against him. Strangely, two weeks later a couple of us were in his office and he told a couple of off-color jokes - and two of the women sitting outside his office were guffawing like drunken sailors. Go figure.

[Gunny]

You fail to pay attention or are very one sided in your views. Or you have zero friends that hang as a group where they actually talk among one another.

I'm biting my fingernails while reading FB and twitter, waiting to see someone I used to work with to write "#Me too" LOL

Always worked in great groups in the IT field, and there were some women sprinkled in with us. Then in the corporate world, the IT department as a whole would be almost 50/50 in gender. So many of us got the pleasure of working together.

When just the guys, we were pretty much pigs, and often!! I tried to scold and hold them bastards in line the best I could... :laugh:

Then the angelic women we worked with would eventually open up, and then I would have to show them my angelic side as well. https://i.imgur.com/zdN7KwT.gif

And it's not like my asking to perhaps someday see some boobies, didn't start here or at the old digs. And no, I have never gotten to see them in real life either. Well, I mean in that manner anyway. :)

What we all called fun, working together, messing with one another - others may have seen as sexual harassment. Party poopers!! LOL

Twas always in good fun, NEVER once in a "wrong" manner, and I truly believe everyone knows darned well what I mean by that. Messing around with friends and actually sexually harassing someone is 2 totally different ballgames.My experience was the opposite. For one, I was married to a WM (woman Marine). I used to hear from her and/or her friends all the stupid little games. At the same time, PC was coming to the front in the Corps.

I always got accused of treating WMs like men. The was "Yep. I treat them like Marines. Are you saying they are different and I shouldn't?"

[SassyLady]

I have been in the corporate environment for nearly 30 years and never saw a woman sexually harassed. Maybe in your blue collar world it happens. From the very beginning of my first professional job, there was a common motto of "don't shit where you eat". That means that you don't fraternize with women at.work. What I have seen from colleagues in the workplace is women that walk up to guys and say things like "hey nerd/geek/dweeb, I want this fixed/done now".

You are full of shit! My entire life was in corporate white collar world and it is considered an occupational hazard because it's more the norm than not.

[Gunny]

You are full of shit! My entire life was in corporate white collar world and it is considered an occupational hazard because it's more the norm than not.Y'know, I used to think I was dumb about girls. Well, because I am. Apparently incurable :laugh:. But THIS guy (TF) makes me feel like an absolute genius:laugh2:

[aboutime]

After reading many of the posts that tf responded to. Does anyone suspect, or know how long tf has been an active member of the VILLAGE PEOPLE?

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First time I ever saw anyone admit to hating women so much online!

[tailfins]

You are full of shit! My entire life was in corporate white collar world and it is considered an occupational hazard because it's more the norm than not.

When you seek out groups that get stuff done, everyone is too focused on producing to give or receive sexually harassment. Solution to sexual harassment: stop goofing off. People are at work to work, not socialize, that's why it's called work.