Jilted Never Trumpers Want You To Care They’re Losing

[jimnyc]

It's weird to see some on the right being welcomed with open arms by some liberals. Of course for different reasons, but the liberals don't care about that of course.

We have folks no longer wanting to be 'republicans' as a result of Trump. Then others stay for the 'greater good', to give some leeway on things we don't like and/or disagree with, in order to get more done overall. It's a balancing act, IMO, and not every person on the right are going to be in agreement on all issues this go 'round. I can handle that, I'm cool with that. Sometimes a little compromise is necessary to get to that greater good as well.

Now personally, I hate to see the party suffer overall, or see congress losing seats instead of compromising to keep folks and help other things get done as a result. Surely giving up congress is something none of us wants to see. At the same time, I understand folks and principles and remaining to that. As I said, it's a balancing act. It is what it is in those cases, I hold no ill will towards folks that are still wanting conservative issues completed.

Whether folks help out in this direction, or some helping out going the other direction - it sucks to see liberals laughing and knowing that it doesn't have to be that way, and they will pounce and take advantage. :(

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Jilted Never Trumpers Want You To Care They’re Losing

Jeff Flake no longer wants to be a senator.

On Tuesday, the Republican senator and frequent Donald Trump critic delivered a grandstanding speech on why he decided to throw in the towel on campaigning for another term in office.

“There are times where we must risk our careers in favor of our principles,” Flake declared. “Now is such a time.”

“It must also be said that I arise today with no small amount of regret,” he continued. “Regret because of the state of our disunion…Regret because of the coarseness of our leadership. Regret because of the compromise of our moral authority and by our–and I mean all of our–complicity in this alarming and dangerous state of affairs.”

Flake urged his Republican colleagues to stand up against the president undermining American democracy and resist the “new normal.”

His speech was typical of his recent commentary on the president — the now-retiring senator even wrote a whole book about how his principled conservative self couldn’t stand Trump.

But to several liberal journalists, Flake’s speech was one of the greatest in the Senate’s history and Americans will remember it for generations.

In all likelihood, we’re going to forget about his resignation speech next week, but that won’t stop CNN from trying to get a temporary ratings boost out of it.

One of the oddest things about the coverage of Flake’s resignation is how the media tried to spin it as a loss for the president. A prominent critic of Trump deciding to leave office does not sound like a loss for POTUS, no matter how many lame barbs Flake lobbed at him during his “defiant” surrender.

Flake’s resignation is the epitome of a trend that began when Trump first secured his party’s nomination for president — various conservatives melodramatically announcing their exit from the GOP or even the right-wing itself.

Just a day before the Arizona senator made his announcement, MSNBC-approved conservative Charlie Sykes wrote a whole column about how he was no longer going to associate with a conservative movement dominated by Trumpism.

Proudly calling himself an independent conservative, Sykes declares, “If the conservative movement wishes to be defined by the nativist, authoritarian, post-truth culture of Trump-Bannon-Drudge-Hannity-Palin, then I’m out.”

The former radio host believes it is imperative for conservatives to return to those oh-so precious principles — such as free markets, limited government and the very right-wing idea of inclusion — for the movement to keep an important man such as Charlie Sykes in the fold.

Sykes also outlines how conservatism can accomplish the important task of keeping himself happy. The guidelines include purging anyone he deems to be a racist and magically winning over minority voters with Paul Ryan’s agenda.

It’s a real mystery why NBC publishes this guy’s opinions…

Sykes is surely not alone in breaking up with the GOP and conservative movement over Trump. Neoconservatives like Bill Kristol and Max Boot have repeated their departures ad nauseam. MSNBC host Joe Scarborough managed to grab a lot of headlines for saying he is no longer a Republican.

Liberals love these kinds of stories because it contributes to their narrative that Trump is destroying the GOP. The conservatives departing love to engage in this behavior because it nets them positive press coverage and strange new respect from their liberal colleagues — a respectable conservative’s biggest dream!

But do average Republicans care? The answer seems to be a strong no.

Rest - http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/25/jilted-never-trumpers-want-you-to-care-theyre-losing/

[Abbey Marie]

Re: Flake
Have you ever seen a Dem leave because of the actual coarseness of Bill Clinton's Presidency?
No, you didn't.

Bet he thinks he would lose.

[Gunny]

I'd quit before bowing down to Trump. Laugh now. We are ALL going to pay later.

[NightTrain]

Flake going is a good thing. Now McCain and Sasse need to head for the door.

Murkowski and Collins too.

[Black Diamond]

Re: Flake
Have you ever seen a Dem leave because of the actual coarseness of Bill Clinton's Presidency?
No, you didn't.

Bet he thinks he would lose.
Yeah. 25 points down so rip trump (again) and curl up with tapper.

[jimnyc]

I'd quit before bowing down to Trump. Laugh now. We are ALL going to pay later.

One can pay less when they compromise and work together. Trump is already in office, I think you can let that one go now. :) Keeping the liberals happy tells a little story in itself. And no one said anything about bowing to anyone. :rolleyes: You're kinda helping prove my point. Folks obsessed with hatred for Trump, and that hatred is hurting things going forward. I think folks are going against a lot of issues, because it's what Trump wants. Or folks won't even look at candidates, because Trump is involved, or Bannon somehow. And yup, you are right, we all pay somehow, whether right now or down the road.

[jimnyc]

Yeah. 25 points down so rip trump (again) and curl up with tapper.

And not to mention an 18 point approval rating. Him retiring is all of his own doing. Who will take his place, if possible, is yet to be determined. Hopefully it'll work out, folks work together and a candidate can be followed and keep the R's on top in Arizona if possible.

[Black Diamond]

And not to mention an 18 point approval rating. Him retiring is all of his own doing. Who will take his place, if possible, is yet to be determined. Hopefully it'll work out, folks work together and a candidate can be followed and keep the R's on top in Arizona if possible.
Yes. The President pointed out the approval rating on Twitter. :laugh:

[NightTrain]

I'd quit before bowing down to Trump. Laugh now. We are ALL going to pay later.


Pfffft. The only thing I'm going to pay is less taxes.

[Kathianne]

Here's my take, which is likely different than most. Flake may well have lost if he'd stayed tried to be reelected. He alienated Trump supporters, who really didn't care that his voting record in agreeing with Trump was higher than many in the GOP, that he wouldn't laud him because of behavior broke the ties. He also lost many moderate/certainly liberals, by those votes that were in agreement with Trump. He managed to triangulate himself into a lose/lose position.

I think he made principled stands against Trumps behavior, from the primaries until yesterday. He still voted the same principles on issues that he had previously. He's a small government guy, which neither Trump nor the democrats are.

I really don't know many folks that agree with him or myself, though I know many that really dislike the Trump behaviors, his take no prisoners tweets and oftentimes speeches to his core. Still they voted for him and may well do so in 2020.

Yeah, I agree with Flake that this new party under the banner of GOP, isn't one I'm comfortable with, so I became Independent. Yep, for silly principles on issues and behavior. Having watched the rest of former candidates that I would have voted for over a year ago, I no longer feel that way. Not sure how I'll vote in the future, but populism and bullying is not something I'll ever be comfortable with. Not in my life, not in government.

[jimnyc]

The sucky shitty all caps was not from me, it's part of the article. And he makes it all sound as if he is bowing out for any other reason other than he is getting stomped on in the polls.

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RINO #NeverTrumper Jeff Flake Is a Douche – But This Line from His Crazy Speech Was Great…

RINO #NeverTrumper Jeff Flake is an angry egotistical douche.

Jeff Flake was down by 26 points in a PRIMARY race in Arizona and had an approval rating of 18% in his home state.

So Tuesday he took to the Senate floor to audition for a future gig on MSNBC.

The outspoken #NeverTrumper trashed the Republican president and Republican voters.
(And he’s too stupid to know why they reject him!)

But he did drop a couple truth-bombs in his whiny lecture.
Flake is angry because he knows the Republican party has changed.

GOP voters reject amnesty and open borders, reject ruinous free trade agreements and have no respect for pompous ignorant politicians who say one thing during the campaign and then ignore voters once they get in office.

And Republican voters don’t appreciate an out of touch loon who lectures them every other week.

Here are the best lines from Flake’s annoying screed.

Via The Hill: (http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/356932-transcript-flake-announces-retirement-from-senate-floor)


I DECIDED THAT I WOULD BE BETTER ABLE TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE OF ARIZONA AND TO BETTER SERVE MY COUNTRY AND MY CONSCIENCE BY FREEING MYSELF OF THE POLITICAL CONSIDERATION THAT CONSUMED FAR TOO MUCH BANDWIDTH AND CAUSE ME TO COMPROMISE FAR TOO MANY PRINCIPLES.

TO THAT END I’M ANNOUNCING TODAY THAT MY SERVICE IN THE SENATE WILL CONCLUDE AT THE END OF MY TERM IN EARLY JANUARY, 2019.

IT IS CLEAR AT THIS MOMENT THAT A TRADITIONAL CONSERVATIVE WHO BELIEVES IN LIMITED GOVERNMENT AND FREE MARKETS, WHO IS DEVOTED TO FREE TRADE, WHO IS PRO-IMMIGRATION HAS A NARROWER AND NARROW PATH TO NOMINATION IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, THE PARTY THAT HAS SO LONG DEFINED ITSELF BY ITS BELIEF IN THOSE THINGS.

IT IS ALSO CLEAR TO ME FOR THE MOMENT THAT WE HAVE GIVEN IN OR GIVEN UP ON THE CORE PRINCIPLES IN FAVOR OF A MORE VISCERALLY SATISFYING ANGER AND RESENTMENT.

TO BE CLEAR TO THE ANGER AND RESENTMENT THAT THE PEOPLE FEEL AT ROYAL MESS THAT WE’VE CREATED ARE JUSTIFIED.

BUT ANGER AND RESENTMENT ARE NOT THE GOVERNING PHILOSOPHY.

THERE IS AN UNDENIABLE POTENCY TO A POPULIST APPEAL BY MISCHARACTERIZING OR MISUNDERSTANDING OUR PROBLEMS AND GIVING IN TO THE IMPULSE TO SCAPEGOAT AND BELITTLE — THE IMPULSE TO SCAPE COAT AND BELITTLE THREATENS TO TURN US INTO A FEARFUL BACKWARD LOOKING PEOPLE.

IN THE CASE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, THOSE THINGS ALSO THREATEN TO TURN US INTO A FEARFUL, BACKWARD-LOOKING MINORITY PARTY.

WE WERE NOT MADE GREAT AS A COUNTRY BY INDULGING IN OR EVEN EXALTING OUR WORST IMPULSES, TURNING AGAINST OURSELVES, GLORIFYING IN THE THINGS THAT DIVIDE US AND CALLING FAKE THINGS TRUE AND TRUE THINGS FAKE.

AND WE DID NOT BECOME THE BEACON OF FREEDOM IN THE DARKEST CORNERS OF THE WORLD BY FLOUTING OUR INSTITUTIONS AND FAILING TO UNDERSTAND JUST HOW HARD WON AND VULNERABLE THEY ARE.

THIS SPELL WILL EVENTUALLY BREAK.

This guy is such a bitter clown.
Go away Jeff Flake.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10/rino-nevertrumper-jeff-flake-douche-line-crazy-speech-great/

[Kathianne]

This guy is such a bitter clown.
Go away Jeff Flake.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10/rino-nevertrumper-jeff-flake-douche-line-crazy-speech-great/


He is, he said so, yesterday.

[NightTrain]

I guess he could always rebrand himself as a Democrat and be true to his love of immigration, bad trade agreements and lusty backstabbing. He might win Mayor somewhere in Oregon. Anyhoo, enough about that loser.


So who's our new favorite GOP frontrunner? Kelli Ward?

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Flake is like the petulant little child throwing a fit because he can't win at something as he slams his bedroom door behind him.

And now today being interviewed by all his new democrat propaganda wing BFF's he had to admit that he couldn't win another election, and all that talk of impeachment or getting rid of president Trump because he's mentally unstable is just pretty much crazy talk, so he had to back peddle today, probably because his constituents have all asked him what in the fuck he thinks he's doing?

He started something he couldn't finish. He's a moron, he's a RINO, he's no help to the republican party, and this is what draining the swamp looks like.

Fuck him... fuck Corker... fuck McLame...

[jimnyc]

I guess he could always rebrand himself as a Democrat and be true to his love of immigration, bad trade agreements and lusty backstabbing. He might win Mayor somewhere in Oregon. Anyhoo, enough about that loser.


So who's our new favorite GOP frontrunner? Kelli Ward?

I'm not sure the feeling around the state, never followed their area before. I know Flake wasn't exactly reeling in the numbers. Seems like his numbers are pretty close to the approval rating of congress!

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I'm not sure the feeling around the state, never followed their area before. I know Flake wasn't exactly reeling in the numbers. Seems like his numbers are pretty close to the approval rating of congress!
From what I've heard he's getting spanked in AZ, and had no chance of winning again.

I think if the swamp continues to be drained, and they actually get something done, and it is all on the senate, congress seems to be doing their job, that the approval rating might just start to come up.

[Gunny]

One can pay less when they compromise and work together. Trump is already in office, I think you can let that one go now. :) Keeping the liberals happy tells a little story in itself. And no one said anything about bowing to anyone. :rolleyes: You're kinda helping prove my point. Folks obsessed with hatred for Trump, and that hatred is hurting things going forward. I think folks are going against a lot of issues, because it's what Trump wants. Or folks won't even look at candidates, because Trump is involved, or Bannon somehow. And yup, you are right, we all pay somehow, whether right now or down the road.Let WHAT go? That your short-term one-upsmanship carnival is going to work out for conservatives in the long term? Not going to happen.

I don't hate Trump, but you prove time and again that you either for Trump or you're wrong, in YOUR opinion. I either love Trump or I hate him. No, I think he is unqualified to be President of the US, too immature for the job, and has accomplished nothing. You call all these EOs accomplishing something? For the duration. The next President can tear them up as fast as he has Obama's. What has he gotten signed into LAW? You know ... the permanent shit that actually counts? Nothing. Maybe it's Trump who should have done some compromising with someone besides Democrats?

I'm a voter, not a candidate. I don't have to compromise. Whatever Trump is, it isn't conservative and I don't want to be one. Especially the kindergarten bully on twitter part. Everything he has done is just an illusion and can be gone with the stroke of a pen the same way it got there. You're willing to accept that. Half a win now - long-term loss. I want a WHOLE win now and nothing but crying by the left down the road. Simple strategy.

[jimnyc]

Let WHAT go? That your short-term one-upsmanship carnival is going to work out for conservatives in the long term? Not going to happen.

I don't hate Trump, but you prove time and again that you either for Trump or you're wrong, in YOUR opinion. I either love Trump or I hate him. No, I think he is unqualified to be President of the US, too immature for the job, and has accomplished nothing. You call all these EOs accomplishing something? For the duration. The next President can tear them up as fast as he has Obama's. What has he gotten signed into LAW? You know ... the permanent shit that actually counts? Nothing. Maybe it's Trump who should have done some compromising with someone besides Democrats?

I'm a voter, not a candidate. I don't have to compromise. Whatever Trump is, it isn't conservative and I don't want to be one. Especially the kindergarten bully on twitter part. Everything he has done is just an illusion and can be gone with the stroke of a pen the same way it got there. You're willing to accept that. Half a win now - long-term loss. I want a WHOLE win now and nothing but crying by the left down the road. Simple strategy.

I wan't an entire win too. But when it boils down to taking half a win - or no win - I'll go with the half a win, the party & keeping a democrat out of congress every single time.

Don't like what he's doing? :crying2:

So go ahead, make your point, carry the principles and carry a democrat. I'll go with someone on the right, even if it's not fully someone I enjoy - to get half of what I want and to prevent damage from entering congress.

Funny though how even when candidates are being spoken of for congress, you get hooked entirely on Trump. So maybe you don't hate him as you say. But you're definitely a member of the so called Trump Derangement Syndrome. :laugh2:

[jimnyc]

Btw, I still love you, my shiny headed friend. :thumb::beer:

[High_Plains_Drifter]

What has he gotten signed into LAW? You know ... the permanent shit that actually counts? Nothing. ....... Everything he has done is just an illusion and can be gone with the stroke of a pen the same way it got there.
Really?

You're not sounding very rational there, Gunny. In fact you talked a lot of shit. Didn't know you really hated president Trump bad enough to just spew hyperbole... better check out what he actually has signed into law, "the permanent shit that actually counts," and the list is considerable...

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/signed-legislation

[Black Diamond]

I wan't an entire win too. But when it boils down to taking half a win - or no win - I'll go with the half a win, the party & keeping a democrat out of congress every single time.

Don't like what he's doing? :crying2:

So go ahead, make your point, carry the principles and carry a democrat. I'll go with someone on the right, even if it's not fully someone I enjoy - to get half of what I want and to prevent damage from entering congress.

Funny though how even when candidates are being spoken of for congress, you get hooked entirely on Trump. So maybe you don't hate him as you say. But you're definitely a member of the so called Trump Derangement Syndrome. :laugh2:
Trump seems to have that effect. People can't help but talk about him. Ask the media who essentially gave him free advertising via interviews and coverage and then cried when he won. Hmmmm

[aboutime]

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[Gunny]

I wan't an entire win too. But when it boils down to taking half a win - or no win - I'll go with the half a win, the party & keeping a democrat out of congress every single time.

Don't like what he's doing? :crying2:

So go ahead, make your point, carry the principles and carry a democrat. I'll go with someone on the right, even if it's not fully someone I enjoy - to get half of what I want and to prevent damage from entering congress.

Funny though how even when candidates are being spoken of for congress, you get hooked entirely on Trump. So maybe you don't hate him as you say. But you're definitely a member of the so called Trump Derangement Syndrome. :laugh2:See here's the problem with you fucking Trumpies. I DON'T like what he's doing. I'm damned sure not crying about it. Either love the moron or you hate him and you're crying. So WHAT EEXACTLY was all that bullshit YOU Trumpies posted about Obama for 8 years? Crying? Whining? Or is it only if yoou don't like Trump you're crying?

I have no derangement syndrome. I'm not the one deranged enough to believe anything good is going to come of Trump in the end. Is "derangement syndrome" what you calling "calling it like you see it"? Because I can LMAO at the left, which I will continue to do, and I can post something good about Trump and it's thanked, liked and repped up the ass. POST ONE THREAD critical of his behavior and I'm suddenly deranged :rolleyes: Bullshit. I'm not the one that's so wrapped up in shit I can't control that I take personal affront to someone "not liking my favorite show". I insulted no one but Trump, as I intended.

I don't like him. Never have since the 80s. Never said I like him so barring a miracle -- like you put someone else's personality in his body -- I'm not going to. Been pretty clear about it from Day One. He's a loud-mouthed punk. Nothing's changed. I don't like him every bit as much as Kathianne, the difference being I despise Democrats and did my part to keep them out and she sees differently. He'd get his ass kicked around me. Would just be a matter of time.

So this guy Flake doesn't want to work with him, minus all the "Flake's a loser excuses dripping off this page", I said I wouldn't either. If I'd had enough time in, I'd have put my papers in on Clinton. Had I stayed in, my retirement date would be the same as Obama's inauguration date. I'm not working for some punk ass bitch by choice.

Better hope y'all's little pipe dream that the seats lost because of Trump all come back GOP or the GOP will lose Congress. That'll sure help.

[Black Diamond]

See here's the problem with you fucking Trumpies. I DON'T like what he's doing. I'm damned sure not crying about it. Either love the moron or you hate him and you're crying. So WHAT EEXACTLY was all that bullshit YOU Trumpies posted about Obama for 8 years? Crying? Whining? Or is it only if yoou don't like Trump you're crying?

I have no derangement syndrome. I'm not the one deranged enough to believe anything good is going to come of Trump in the end. Is "derangement syndrome" what you calling "calling it like you see it"? Because I can LMAO at the left, which I will continue to do, and I can post something good about Trump and it's thanked, liked and repped up the ass. POST ONE THREAD critical of his behavior and I'm suddenly deranged :rolleyes: Bullshit. I'm not the one that's so wrapped up in shit I can't control that I take personal affront to someone "not liking my favorite show". I insulted no one but Trump, as I intended.

I don't like him. Never have since the 80s. Never said I like him so barring a miracle -- like you put someone else's personality in his body -- I'm not going to. Been pretty clear about it from Day One. He's a loud-mouthed punk. Nothing's changed. I don't like him every bit as much as Kathianne, the difference being I despise Democrats and did my part to keep them out and she sees differently. He'd get his ass kicked around me. Would just be a matter of time.

So this guy Flake doesn't want to work with him, minus all the "Flake's a loser excuses dripping off this page", I said I wouldn't either. If I'd had enough time in, I'd have put my papers in on Clinton. Had I stayed in, my retirement date would be the same as Obama's inauguration date. I'm not working for some punk ass bitch by choice.

Better hope y'all's little pipe dream that the seats lost because of Trump all come back GOP or the GOP will lose Congress. That'll sure help.
the difference is flake is 25 points behind his primary challenger. I hardly think he is quitting on general principle. If he had a 25 point lead he wouldn't have a moment of clarity/conscience. He would stay in his cushy job until he is 80 just like his buddy mclame

[Gunny]

the difference is flake is 25 points behind his primary challenger. I hardly think he is quitting on general principle. If he had a 25 point lead he wouldn't have a moment of clarity/conscience. He would stay in his cushy job until he is 80 just like his buddy mclameMaybe. Who knows? There ARE people who dislike Trump enough to want no part of him (in case you missed I'd be one of them. And unlike lamenuts' accusation, once again, you can't have a thread about "why" when the reason is "trump" without saying "Trump".

The fact is, he's quitting, and a UFO-watcher is his likely replacement and whatever part of the GOP is "Trump's Party" will gladly take a kook that says yes. Might as well be Democrats.

[Black Diamond]

Maybe. Who knows? There ARE people who dislike Trump enough to want no part of him (in case you missed I'd be one of them. And unlike lamenuts' accusation, once again, you can't have a thread about "why" when the reason is "trump" without saying "Trump".

The fact is, he's quitting, and a UFO-watcher is his likely replacement and whatever part of the GOP is "Trump's Party" will gladly take a kook that says yes. Might as well be Democrats.
Maybe you would but this guy looks like a whiny sore loser. And I can't see you running to tapper like he flake did. In fact I know you wouldn't.

[pete311]

From what I've heard he's getting spanked in AZ, and had no chance of winning again.

I think if the swamp continues to be drained, and they actually get something done, and it is all on the senate, congress seems to be doing their job, that the approval rating might just start to come up.

During the tea party movement. How many of them worked out. What exactly did they do. What is different now?

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Am I 100% on board with everything Trump says? No. I think he says some stupid shit too.
Am I 100% on board with all Trumps tweets? No. I'd say about half of them sound like he's a grade schooler.

But do I think Trump loves America? Yes.
Do I think Trump wants to do what's best for America, as in put America first? Not only yes, but that's exactly what he's doing.
Do I like the way Trump doesn't take any shit? You bet, because we've seen nothing but spineless, gutless, yellow bellied do nothing lay down and take it pussies in the republican party for far, FAR too long.

President Trump may not be perfect, but he's damn sure not in Washington to join the good ole boys club, or kick the can down the road, or start with the business as usual, and he can't be bought. The man is a workaholic, and he wants all those establishment HACKS to get off their vacation taking, lying, procrastinating, worthless asses and GET SOMETHING DONE, like they fucking PROMISED to do for YEARS AND YEARS.

Enough of this SWAMP SHIT. Our government is so sons a bitchin' DYSFUNCTIONAL it's PATHETIC. They've all been BOUGHT OFF by big business lobbyist cash, and they have entirely forgotten, or didn't forget and just don't GIVE A FUCK, what we sent them there to do and what they PROMISED THEY'D DO. In that respect, president Trump is an absolute BREATH OF FRESH AIR, and I'm behind him 100%.

I'll take a smart ass cad that works his ass off and gets things done and doesn't take any shit over a pussy that knuckles under to the first fucking leftist media propaganda attack and apologizes for everything and backs down at every turn, and day of the week.

That's how I explain where I stand on president Trump.

And nothing personal meant to you, Gunny. If you don't like the guy, I really don't give a rats ass. But if you're going to criticize him, all I care about is are you being fair and/or truthful. Other than that, hate the guy all you want. Go stand outside and scream with the rest of the people, makes no difference to me.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

During the tea party movement. How many of them worked out. What exactly did they do. What is different now?
You don't have google search?

[Kathianne]

the difference is flake is 25 points behind his primary challenger. I hardly think he is quitting on general principle. If he had a 25 point lead he wouldn't have a moment of clarity/conscience. He would stay in his cushy job until he is 80 just like his buddy mclame

He spoke out about Trump during the primaries, during the election, after Trump won, after Trump became president. He also voted with Trump over 90% of the time. Doesn't matter at all, not to those that only think that Trump is the be all and end all. (Cueing up for 'Not at all, we've criticized the tweets when not applauding his getting in 'their' faces.)

He's 25 or more or less points behind BECAUSE he wasn't on the train. Repeating, it has no one damn thing to do with the issues, he's voted the way Trump wanted. He just loathes the man, for good reasons. Such as civil society, though it's obvious that doesn't matter to most any more.

[jimnyc]

See here's the problem with you fucking Trumpies. I DON'T like what he's doing. I'm damned sure not crying about it. Either love the moron or you hate him and you're crying. So WHAT EEXACTLY was all that bullshit YOU Trumpies posted about Obama for 8 years? Crying? Whining? Or is it only if yoou don't like Trump you're crying?

I have no derangement syndrome. I'm not the one deranged enough to believe anything good is going to come of Trump in the end. Is "derangement syndrome" what you calling "calling it like you see it"? Because I can LMAO at the left, which I will continue to do, and I can post something good about Trump and it's thanked, liked and repped up the ass. POST ONE THREAD critical of his behavior and I'm suddenly deranged :rolleyes: Bullshit. I'm not the one that's so wrapped up in shit I can't control that I take personal affront to someone "not liking my favorite show". I insulted no one but Trump, as I intended.

I don't like him. Never have since the 80s. Never said I like him so barring a miracle -- like you put someone else's personality in his body -- I'm not going to. Been pretty clear about it from Day One. He's a loud-mouthed punk. Nothing's changed. I don't like him every bit as much as Kathianne, the difference being I despise Democrats and did my part to keep them out and she sees differently. He'd get his ass kicked around me. Would just be a matter of time.

So this guy Flake doesn't want to work with him, minus all the "Flake's a loser excuses dripping off this page", I said I wouldn't either. If I'd had enough time in, I'd have put my papers in on Clinton. Had I stayed in, my retirement date would be the same as Obama's inauguration date. I'm not working for some punk ass bitch by choice.

Better hope y'all's little pipe dream that the seats lost because of Trump all come back GOP or the GOP will lose Congress. That'll sure help.

My little pipe dream already happened and is happening. :) Someone who has a crappy approval ratings and getting hammered in the polls. His leaving doesn't bother me in the slightest. I'm confident in whomever comes out of the fray on top.

:blah:

TDS!

:poke:

[Black Diamond]

My little pipe dream already happened and is happening. :) Someone who has a crappy approval ratings and getting hammered in the polls. His leaving doesn't bother me in the slightest. I'm confident in whomever comes out of the fray on top.

:blah:

TDS!

:poke:
:laugh:

[Gunny]

My little pipe dream already happened and is happening. :) Someone who has a crappy approval ratings and getting hammered in the polls. His leaving doesn't bother me in the slightest. I'm confident in whomever comes out of the fray on top.

:blah:

TDS!

:poke:You can tell me all about it when Trump gets hammered in 20. The only ones that can beat the Dems right now are the Dems and it sounds to me like they'll vote for anything that breathes in lock step, just to A) win and B) vote against Trump. Trump can't come anywhere near commanding the numbers the Dems can. He didn't last time. He got lucky even some of her own constituents hated Hillary and voted against her in the EC. He lost the popular vote. Wouldn't count on that happening again.

Yes, it's fun to make fun of Dems melting down. But it isn't worth losing the future over. It also means quite simply, the GOP as representative of a conservative base, will no longer exist. There goes even more votes. And all those "what the fuck ever a never Trumper " is? They'll sit home just to f*ck him, or even vote against him.

So enjoy your moment. They're fleeting. Then reality smacks you in the ass.

[Black Diamond]

You can tell me all about it when Trump gets hammered in 20. The only ones that can beat the Dems right now are the Dems and it sounds to me like they'll vote for anything that breathes in lock step, just to A) win and B) vote against Trump. Trump can't come anywhere near commanding the numbers the Dems can. He didn't last time. He got lucky even some of her own constituents hated Hillary and voted against her in the EC. He lost the popular vote. Wouldn't count on that happening again.

Yes, it's fun to make fun of Dems melting down. But it isn't worth losing the future over. It also means quite simply, the GOP as representative of a conservative base, will no longer exist. There goes even more votes. And all those "what the fuck ever a never Trumper " is? They'll sit home just to f*ck him, or even vote against him.

So enjoy your moment. They're fleeting. Then reality smacks you in the ass.
We heard that all last year.

[NightTrain]

We heard that all last year.


Truth.

[aboutime]

Because this is a PUBLIC forum. I, like everyone else, is free to offer our opinions, and agree, or disagree with each other about everything, or nothing.
The 1st amendment allows me to say. I am proud of our new President for speaking the truth....despite so many being upset, and accusing him of lying.
IMO Trump is the best thing that has happened to this nation...JUST IN TIME, since I have been old enough to understand how important..BEING AN AMERICAN really is.

Anyone who doesn't like Trump is free to do so, and I honestly DON'T GIVE A SHIT.

Keeping our country safe, my wife, sons, and our six grandchildren feeling there is something GOOD that will come from Trump's idea's, in whatever form is all I need.

Fellow Americans who must always find fault with others due to lack of being honestly informed WILL NEVER END. But...while Trump is our President...just like we were told to accept OBAMA for 8 years....YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT IT BECAUSE IT WON'T CHANGE.
If you don't see the good coming from Trump...feel free to return any improvements to the IRS whenever you like. Or Send them to me.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Such as civil society, though it's obvious that doesn't matter to most any more.
Well, when we have such NASTY FILTH like most on the left, with their BLOODY TRUMP HEADS and KNIFING HIM UP NIGHTLY in a BLOODY PLAY or talking about BLOWING UP THE WHITE HOUSE and the nasty filth that comes out of leftists mouths, it's kinda nice to see this trash get a load of their damn medicine.

The left has ZERO high ground to talk about DECORUM... NONE... AT ALL.

Go talk about civil society the next time ANTIFA comes to a peaceful march dressed in COMBAT GEAR and starts BEATING ON PEOPLE, or here's a good one, tell all the snowflakes about civility the night they all plan on going outside and SCREAMING... pfft... leftist ARE the trash.

[Kathianne]

Well, when we have such NASTY FILTH like most on the left, with their BLOODY TRUMP HEADS and KNIFING HIM UP NIGHTLY in a BLOODY PLAY or talking about BLOWING UP THE WHITE HOUSE and the nasty filth that comes out of leftists mouths, it's kinda nice to see this trash get a load of their damn medicine.

The left has ZERO high ground to talk about DECORUM... NONE... AT ALL.

Go talk about civil society the next time ANTIFA comes to a peaceful march dressed in COMBAT GEAR and starts BEATING ON PEOPLE, or here's a good one, tell all the snowflakes about civility the night they all plan on going outside and SCREAMING... pfft... leftist ARE the trash.

Exactly. We now have the 'right' acting like the left with incivility; led by a bully and supported by many. It's only a matter of time to find a 'right' alternative to antifa. Good times.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Exactly. We now have the 'right' acting like the left with incivility;
Not quite, Kath... not by a long shot... and president Trump isn't a bully. He punches back, which the left is NOT used to, and that's they label him a bully, because he doesn't take their crap. He's supposed to just TAKE IT, like all the rest of the gutless republicans do... so it's understandable the level of frustration the left must have. They've thrown everything they have at him for a year, but the man is still standing and he still won't take any of their shit. It's a thing of beauty, and why his supporters are standing strong behind him.

[Kathianne]

Not quite, Kath... not by a long shot... and president Trump isn't a bully. He punches back, which the left is NOT used to, and that's they label him a bully, because he doesn't take their crap. He's supposed to just TAKE IT, like all the rest of the gutless republicans do... so it's understandable the level of frustration the left must have. They've thrown everything they have at him for a year, but the man is still standing and he still won't take any of their shit. It's a thing of beauty, and why his supporters are standing strong behind him.

We disagree. He is a bully, always has been.

If he and Bannon have their way all the 'gutless republicans' will be good, leaving him with the brave.

[NightTrain]

Exactly. We now have the 'right' acting like the left with incivility;

No. Not even close.

The scale and level of despicable behavior are worlds apart.


led by a bully and supported by many.

No. Trump is fighting back as he should against a coordinated howling mob of leftists impeding and smearing as much as possible with no regard for the legality of their actions in their quest to change the election.

Haven't you been paying attention the last few days? How can you not see what's going on?

Would you rather he smile stupidly at his attackers and remain silent? To hell with that.

We didn't elect a simpering sissy, we elected a brawler to get in there and start kicking ass, fix things and implement the policies that he's implementing.

He's doing a great job.


It's only a matter of time to find a 'right' alternative to antifa. Good times.

Doubtful. The antifa animals are a whisker away from being officially on the terrorist list. And that will be a fine day indeed.

[Kathianne]

No. Not even close.

The scale and level of despicable behavior are worlds apart.



No. Trump is fighting back as he should against a coordinated howling mob of leftists impeding and smearing as much as possible with no regard for the legality of their actions in their quest to change the election.

Haven't you been paying attention the last few days? How can you not see what's going on?

Would you rather he smile stupidly at his attackers and remain silent? To hell with that.

We didn't elect a simpering sissy, we elected a brawler to get in there and start kicking ass, fix things and implement the policies that he's implementing.

He's doing a great job.



Doubtful. The antifa animals are a whisker away from being officially on the terrorist list. And that will be a fine day indeed.


Oh I've been watching, reading the past few days, shocking I know. I'm hoping that the DNC and Hillary and FBI get what's coming to them.

If this was the type of thing that Trump reacted to, might be a compelling argument, but it's not. Just not agreeing with his behaviors is enough to bring on the bully. It comes even when not in his own self-interests. He cannot control it.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

We disagree. He is a bully, always has been.

If he and Bannon have their way all the 'gutless republicans' will be good, leaving him with the brave.
Yep, we totally disagree, president trump is no bully.

The republican party has needed a purge of RINO's and establishment trash for a long time.

The democrats need an even bigger make over, but that won't happen. They're just too trashy to be able to take out their own trash.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Oh I've been watching, reading the past few days, shocking I know. I'm hoping that the DNC and Hillary and FBI get what's coming to them.

If this was the type of thing that Trump reacted to, might be a compelling argument, but it's not. Just not agreeing with his behaviors is enough to bring on the bully. It comes even when not in his own self-interests. He cannot control it.
If you consider president Trump a bully, Kath, then the entire leftist democrat propaganda wing would be some kind of ultra superpower bully of epic proportions.

Either that or you have a huge double standard.

[Kathianne]

Pretty much I'm not doing politics here now, part of the reason being I don't want to alienate people I really like. I post something that interests me, but for the most part don't follow up. If I did, would lead to serious disagreements in most cases.

Just ran across this NR piece, pretty close to what I think now and also when I left the GOP regarding my registration-I could not be part of a party that was led by Trump. It wasn't easy, as I don't disagree with many of his current stances, which puts me pretty damn close to Flake's voting record:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/453098/towering-jeff-flake-praise-arizona-senator?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Nordlinger

[NightTrain]

Oh I've been watching, reading the past few days, shocking I know. I'm hoping that the DNC and Hillary and FBI get what's coming to them.

If this was the type of thing that Trump reacted to, might be a compelling argument, but it's not. Just not agreeing with his behaviors is enough to bring on the bully. It comes even when not in his own self-interests. He cannot control it.


You are ignoring the fact that he's been saying all along that this Russian thing was bullshit and he had nothing to do with it. All of the chaos stems from Fusion GPS in one way or another.

He was completely correct in fighting back - and now we see that his biggest attackers were the ones who created the lies.


So, Kathi, who was the righteous one here? Trump or the Democrats?

[Kathianne]

You are ignoring the fact that he's been saying all along that this Russian thing was bullshit and he had nothing to do with it. All of the chaos stems from Fusion GPS in one way or another.

He was completely correct in fighting back - and now we see that his biggest attackers were the ones who created the lies.


So, Kathi, who was the righteous one here? Trump or the Democrats?

Again, I'm not disagreeing with the Russian thing. I hope the trail brings consequences to all that acted unlawfully-which are legion in all likelihood.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Pretty much I'm not doing politics here now, part of the reason being I don't want to alienate people I really like. I post something that interests me, but for the most part don't follow up. If I did, would lead to serious disagreements in most cases.

Just ran across this NR piece, pretty close to what I think now and also when I left the GOP regarding my registration-I could not be part of a party that was led by Trump. It wasn't easy, as I don't disagree with many of his current stances, which puts me pretty damn close to Flake's voting record:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/453098/towering-jeff-flake-praise-arizona-senator?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Nordlinger
I left the republican party when they ran McLame. I'm a registered independent, and I think I'll stay that way.

[aboutime]

If the President is now being called a BULLY. Then I guess...I LIKE BULLY'S who have the courage to WALK THE WALK, and TALK THE TALK.

Trump is a totally different kind of Bully. Not the TRADITIONAL kind everyone hates.

Finally, and nobody can deny this. WE FINALLY HAVE SOMEONE WITH GONADS in the White House who isn't afraid to TELL THE TRUTH...even if it hurts somebody's feelings.