What is your purpose for being?

[-Cp]

Why Were You Born?

[JohnDoe]

My mom and dad CHOSE to have me? ;)

[-Cp]

My mom and dad CHOSE to have me? ;)

No.... they chose to have a Baby - they had on idea it'd be "You" in the very unique sense....

[LiberalNation]

To live and die.

[manu1959]

Why Were You Born?

my parents had sex in the back of a 59 studebaker........you?

[typomaniac]

No one's life has any purpose: it just IS.

[avatar4321]

To dream the impossible dream
To fight the unbeatable foe
To bear the unbearable sorrow
To go where no man dare to go
To right the unrightable wrong
To love pure and chaste from afar
To try when my arms tired and weary
To reach the unreachable star

This is my quest
to follow that star
No matter how hopeless
No matter how far
To fight for the right without question or pause
To be willing to march into hell for a heavenly cause

You get the point;)

[hjmick]

To dream the impossible dream
To fight the unbeatable foe
To bear the unbearable sorrow
To go where no man dare to go
To right the unrightable wrong
To love pure and chaste from afar
To try when my arms tired and weary
To reach the unreachable star

This is my quest
to follow that star
No matter how hopeless
No matter how far
To fight for the right without question or pause
To be willing to march into hell for a heavenly cause

You get the point;)

The point is you like musicals?

[Gunny]

To dream the impossible dream
To fight the unbeatable foe
To bear the unbearable sorrow
To go where no man dare to go
To right the unrightable wrong
To love pure and chaste from afar
To try when my arms tired and weary
To reach the unreachable star

This is my quest
to follow that star
No matter how hopeless
No matter how far
To fight for the right without question or pause
To be willing to march into hell for a heavenly cause

You get the point;)

Your point to being is to sing songs from "The Man of La Mancha"?:laugh2:

[Dilloduck]

No one's life has any purpose: it just IS.

Since there is no purpose, do you suppose people just make up stuff to do to feel as if their lives mean something?

[Gunny]

Since there is no purpose, do you suppose people just make up stuff to do to feel as if their lives mean something?

Don't know about you, dillo, but the fact that I exist drives my EX insane. Justification enough.:laugh2:

[glockmail]

Why Were You Born? To carry on with God's work.

[PostmodernProphet]

No one's life has any purpose: it just IS.


that's sad.....would you like to borrow some of mine?....I have extra.......

[red states rule]

To carry on with God's work.

:clap:

[truthmatters]

To love and to stand for truth.

It is my choice to make these things why I was born.

Freewill or slavery is a choice, I chose freewill.

What makes man wonderful is the ability of freewill and the insight to choose a path which serves our brothers.

It can only be done with love and truth.

[glockmail]

To love and to stand for truth.

It is my choice to make these things why I was born.

Freewill or slavery is a choice, I chose freewill.

What makes man wonderful is the ability of freewill and the insight to choose a path which serves our brothers.

It can only be done with love and truth. Spoken like a religious loonie. :poke:

[JohnDoe]

Spoken like a religious loonie. :poke: yep!

TM doesn't realize how religiously insightful he really is.....uh oh, better watch out....God might be getting ready to grab TM, whether he's ready or not for the confrontation of truths...

(j/k u TM)

[truthmatters]

You hate people who dont believe the same as you huh?

[truthmatters]

Very telling you would find the ideas of Truth and Love as insanity.

[JohnDoe]

You hate people who dont believe the same as you huh?


Glock was poking fun, and I don't think it was meant to be in a "bad" way TM......?

[glockmail]

You hate people who dont believe the same as you huh?


Very telling you would find the ideas of Truth and Love as insanity.
Get a grip, man! :coffee:

[manu1959]

TM is a she.....and she is a christian she just doesn't know it yet....she was born that way.....

[truthmatters]

Do you see what you people are doing ?

You just cant seem to accept other beliefs can you?

[manu1959]

Do you see what you people are doing ?

You just cant seem to accept other beliefs can you?

neither can you ...... ironic isn't it

[truthmatters]

Where have I said that anyone should not be Christain or anything else?

Where have I sugested anyone is Born with a religious belief as you have?

[manu1959]

Where have I said that anyone should not be Christain or anything else?

Where have I sugested anyone is Born with a religious belief as you have?

It would seem you are reading quite a bit into my statements.....

i simply pointed out that you are attacking others for their beliefs while claiming you should not be attacked.....

it was i that suggested that one is born with their belief system in place....

i mean ... no one would choose to be christin given the amount of shit everyone gives them....

and lastly....your belief system sure seems to be that of a christian....well except for the tollerance and accepting of others part.....

[glockmail]

It would seem you are reading quite a bit into my statements.....
........
Amazing how devout liberals always do that. And we thought "unassuming" was a desireable trait. How intolerant of us. :rolleyes:

[truthmatters]

It would seem you are reading quite a bit into my statements.....

i simply pointed out that you are attacking others for their beliefs while claiming you should not be attacked.....

it was i that suggested that one is born with their belief system in place....

i mean ... no one would choose to be christin given the amount of shit everyone gives them....

and lastly....your belief system sure seems to be that of a christian....well except for the tollerance and accepting of others part.....


Please show where I attacked anyone????????

[truthmatters]

Spoken like a religious loonie. :poke:

look what has been said to me because of what I believe?

[darin]

Please show where I attacked anyone????????

Here's one place...


You hate people who dont believe the same as you huh?



(shrug)

[truthmatters]

That is a question for someone who called me a name for my beliefs.

That is not an attack.

[glockmail]

look what has been said to me because of what I believe?


That is a question for someone who called me a name for my beliefs.

That is not an attack. Don't be so damn pansy thin skinned. :slap:

[typomaniac]

Since there is no purpose, do you suppose people just make up stuff to do to feel as if their lives mean something?

Wouldn't surprise me. As children, we spend a long time thinking that life is simple and straightforward, because that's all we know how to understand. It's comforting.

When we figure out that it's all just a chaotic mess and nobody really knows squat, we try to reclaim some of that comfort in whatever ways we can.

[truthmatters]

Don't be so damn pansy thin skinned. :slap:


More Namecalling?

look I am putting a mirror up to you and you dot like what you see.

Who is the one who is resorting to namecalling instead of logic?

[glockmail]

More Namecalling?

look I am putting a mirror up to you and you dot like what you see.

Who is the one who is resorting to namecalling instead of logic? I'm sorry. I thought that I was dealing with an adult here. My apologies to you. Perhaps you should post on the Sesame Street site.

[darin]

That is a question for someone who called me a name for my beliefs.

That is not an attack.


But it's HIGHLY combative/aggressive. Don't play innocent, aight? Honesty is better.

[darin]

More Namecalling?

look I am putting a mirror up to you and you dot like what you see.

Who is the one who is resorting to namecalling instead of logic?

...and who is the one who hasn't used logic in this post, yet is is calling-out people for not using logic?

Sing with me....

"EYE_________________RIN_____________EEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!"

[GW in Ohio]

The purpose of my life?

To marry a Bush daughter and live comfortably for the rest of my life.

Any questions?

[GW in Ohio]

To love and to stand for truth.

It is my choice to make these things why I was born.

Freewill or slavery is a choice, I chose freewill.

What makes man wonderful is the ability of freewill and the insight to choose a path which serves our brothers.

It can only be done with love and truth.

Oh, Jesus......

Are you this barf-y in real life?

[darin]

Oh, Jesus......

Are you this barf-y in real life?

lol :)

:cheers2:

[Gaffer]

My purpose is for my remains to be found 5000 years from now and they can speculate about me.

[glockmail]

The purpose of my life?

To marry a Bush daughter and live comfortably for the rest of my life.

Any questions? http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z256/glockmail/bushtwins.jpg
You don't stand a chance with either, so you should just off yourself now and consider that your contribution to stop global warming! :laugh2:

[typomaniac]

You don't stand a chance with either, so you should just off yourself now and consider that your contribution to stop global warming! :laugh2:

Depends on how much money he has. I'm sure they'd whore themselves for the right price.

:ssex: :ssex:

[truthmatters]

[QUOTE=dmp;104383]...and who is the one who hasn't used logic in this post, yet is is calling-out people for not using logic?





What part of what I said was illogical?

You see this is why people resort to name calling ...its because the facts and logic fail them.

[truthmatters]

Oh, Jesus......

Are you this barf-y in real life?

Well some people come here to talk seriously.

Its fine with me if you find truth and love barfy but you should realise not all do.

[glockmail]

Depends on how much money he has. I'm sure they'd whore themselves for the right price.

......

Confirming once more that you are always wrong. :coffee:

[5stringJeff]

Why Were You Born?

"Fear God, and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man." Eccl. 12:13

[glockmail]

Well some people come here to talk seriously.

Its fine with me if you find truth and love barfy but you should realise not all do.


:puke3:

Get a grip, chic.

[typomaniac]

Confirming once more that you are always wrong. :coffee:

In what passes for your mind. :laugh2:

[darin]

...and who is the one who hasn't used logic in this post, yet is is calling-out people for not using logic?





What part of what I said was illogical?

You see this is why people resort to name calling ...its because the facts and logic fail them.

(sigh).

Why can't you simply be honest? seriously.

[GW in Ohio]

Well some people come here to talk seriously.

Its fine with me if you find truth and love barfy but you should realise not all do.

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to offend.

I just don't think an online forum like this is the place to bare your soul.

[truthmatters]

(sigh).

Why can't you simply be honest? seriously.


Have you ever studied any kind of debate?

It is the biggest sign of no arguement left.

I am serious.

[truthmatters]

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to offend.

I just don't think an online forum like this is the place to bare your soul.

Why not?

It was the F@#king topic of the thread!

[Pale Rider]

"Fear God, and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man." Eccl. 12:13

The only good answer in this thread, and it goes ignored.

I was going to say the question can not be answered by man. God put us here, only he truly knows why.

Back when the earth was a ball of molten rock and fire, ALL scientists agree, there was absolutely NO WAY LIFE could have existed on earth. It was simply too hot. In order for life to be present on earth, it had to be put here, AFTER the planet cooled. GOD put us here, ask him why.

[truthmatters]

What is your purpose for being?

[truthmatters]

The only good answer in this thread, and it goes ignored.

I was going to say the question can not be answered by man. God put us here, only he truly knows why.

Yet more pissing on others beliefs

[glockmail]

Why not?

It was the F@#king topic of the thread!GW apologized to you, he's a fellow liberal and you swear at him.

I figgered you as unstable and this confirms it.

[CockySOB]

My purpose? To make the world a better place... if only in my own little corner of it.

[truthmatters]

GW apologized to you, he's a fellow liberal and you swear at him.

I figgered you as unstable and this confirms it.


I didnt awear AT HIM.

Was it the topic of the thread ....YES

did he just get through telling me I shouldnt talk about such things on the internet.....yes

What does him having to be liberal have to do with it?

[glockmail]

I didnt awear AT HIM.

Was it the topic of the thread ....YES

did he just get through telling me I shouldnt talk about such things on the internet.....yes

What does him having to be liberal have to do with it?
Oh, oh, she's about to blow! :laugh2:

Being liberal means that you respond just as you do, with pure emotion and no logic.

[truthmatters]

and you have nothing to offer but to deny the truth?

Go back and look at the name of this thread and then tell me who is not recognising truth?

[Trigg]

My purpose? To make the world a better place... if only in my own little corner of it.

Love this reply :clap:

IMO a persons purpose changes as they get older. Right now my purpose is to raise my children to be the best adults they can be.

[Pale Rider]

Yet more pissing on others beliefs

So me simply stating my beliefs is "pissing" on others beliefs? You'd better explain that, and do a good job, otherwise I'm taking that comment as nothing more a cheap shot, once again, at Christians.

And you don't want to be on my shit list junior.

[truthmatters]

The problem with that answer is doing good is left up to Cocky's interpetation.

I have seen murders interviewed who thought their murders were making the world better.

[truthmatters]

So me simply stating my beliefs is "pissing" on others beliefs? You'd better explain that, and do a good job, otherwise I'm taking that comment as nothing more a cheap shot, once again, at Christians.

And you don't want to be on my shit list junior.



Quote:
Originally Posted by 5stringJeff
"Fear God, and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man." Eccl. 12:13

The only good answer in this thread, and it goes ignored.

I was going to say the question can not be answered by man. God put us here, only he truly knows why.

Back when the earth was a ball of molten rock and fire, ALL scientists agree, there was absolutely NO WAY LIFE could have existed on earth. It was simply too hot. In order for life to be present on earth, it had to be put here, AFTER the planet cooled. GOD put us here, ask him why.




In your post you imply anything that does not involve your interpitation of the world as NOT Good.

That is insulting others beliefs

[Trigg]

The problem with that answer is doing good is left up to Cocky's interpetation.

I have seen murders interviewed who thought their murders were making the world better.

So what's your answer to the question then?????????? Since the reasons given by Cocky and Pale just arn't good enough for you????


By the way the thread topic is "What is YOUR purpose for being" NOT "what is your purpose for being and it better be approved by Truthmatters"

[Gunny]

Well some people come here to talk seriously.

Its fine with me if you find truth and love barfy but you should realise not all do.

You wouldn't know what truth was if it weighed a hundred pounds, was made of iron, and sitting on your chest.

[truthmatters]

To love and to stand for truth.

It is my choice to make these things why I was born.

Freewill or slavery is a choice, I chose freewill.

What makes man wonderful is the ability of freewill and the insight to choose a path which serves our brothers.

It can only be done with love and truth.



I was then criticised by people for my answer.

[truthmatters]

You wouldn't know what truth was if it weighed a hundred pounds, was made of iron, and sitting on your chest.


hello Gunny

[Pale Rider]

Back when the earth was a ball of molten rock and fire, ALL scientists agree, there was absolutely NO WAY LIFE could have existed on earth. It was simply too hot. In order for life to be present on earth, it had to be put here, AFTER the planet cooled. GOD put us here, ask him why.


In your post you imply anything that does not involve your interpitation of the world as NOT Good.

That is insulting others beliefs

Give me a fucking BREAK. What a load of fucking CRAP!

If that insults YOU, because I hear no one else purporting that CRAP, then you have the thinnest skin I've ever encountered, online or otherwise. But I don't think it's a case of that. I just think you are a godless liberal, and you're fucking so USED TO BASHING CHRISTIANS, and Christians TAKING IT, that you pull out that STUPID BULLSHIT whenever religion is mentioned. Well it don't carry the fucking water with me. It's DOG SHIT.

So you couldn't explain it with ANY sort of REASON. Only your stinking liberal garbage. I expected that though. It is a RARE occasion when LIBERALS make ANY sort of sense.

[Trigg]

I was then criticised by people for my answer.

So ignore them, instead of then jumping on others for their answers. SIMPLE doncha think??

[truthmatters]

Give me a fucking BREAK. What a load of fucking CRAP!

If that insults YOU, because I hear no one else purporting that CRAP, then you have thinest skin I've ever encountered, online or otherwise. But I don't think it's a case of that. I just think you are a godless liberal, and you're fucking USED TO BASHING CHRISTIANS, and Christians TAKING IT, that you pull out that STUPID BULLSHIT whenever religon is mentioned. Well it don't carry the fucking water with me. It's DOG SHIT.

So you couldn't explain it with ANY sort of REASON. Only your stinking liberal garbage. I expected that though. It is a RARE occasion when LIBERALS make ANY sort of sense.

Wow how diplomatic of you.

[truthmatters]

So ignore them, instead of then jumping on others for their answers. SIMPLE doncha think??

I guess I mistook this for a discussion board.

[Pale Rider]

Wow how diplomatic of you.

I knew you wouldn't be comfortable having that total line of bullshit of yours exposed.

Stick to the facts, you'll do better. Leave the liberal bullshit in the garbage where it belongs.

[Trigg]

I guess I mistook this for a discussion board.

Well yes, but you can't complain about it being unfair that someone is attacking your oppinion and then attack someone elses. It makes you look like a hypocrite.

[truthmatters]

I knew you wouldn't be comfortable having that total line of bullshit of yours exposed.

Stick to the facts, you'll do better. Leave the liberal bullshit in the garbage where it belongs.

How do you think you and others would have reacted If I posted the ONLY good answer was to not believe in god?

[Pale Rider]

How do you think you and others would have reacted If I posted the ONLY good answer was to not believe in god?

I'd have thought the debate was on. I would *NOT* have tried to pass myself off as somehow "insulted."

People are free to believe what they want when it comes to religion. I hold that as the American way. Even if I think what you believe is horse shit, I still believe you're free to believe it, and there is NOTHING "insulting" about it. Because not only are you free to believe what you want, you're also free to "EXPRESS IT."

There's far too many snively little cry baby liberals in the world today all too ready to throw out words like "insulted, and offended," even if it's not appropriate. You do it for the effect. You use those words as buzz words because they cause people to stop. But it's like the little boy that cried wolf. He did it one too many times when there was no wolf, and then nobody listened to him anymore, so then he got his ass ate off by the wolf the one time it really WAS there. Same deal using words like "insulted and offended" when they clearly DON'T APPLY.

[truthmatters]

Well yes, but you can't complain about it being unfair that someone is attacking your oppinion and then attack someone elses. It makes you look like a hypocrite.


Where did I attack anyones answer?

I pointed out to exclude others as bad answers is pretty closed minded and said the other only had one draw back.

You see I was thinking this was a philosphical discussion especially sense my response was criticized first.

[truthmatters]

I'd have thought the debate was on. I would *NOT* have tried to pass myself off as somehow "insulted."


I did not claim insult I claimed you were acting as if your belief deserved respect others did not.

[Gunny]

I knew you wouldn't be comfortable having that total line of bullshit of yours exposed.

Stick to the facts, you'll do better. Leave the liberal bullshit in the garbage where it belongs.

You're talking to the liberal version of RSR. I'm afraid that's all you're going to get, bud.:laugh2:

[CockySOB]

The problem with that answer is doing good is left up to Cocky's interpetation.

I have seen murders interviewed who thought their murders were making the world better.

And we've all seen murder cases in the news where a parent killed their children "out of love" and the like. Just Google up "mother kills children love" and see how many different news stories you get wherein the mother believed she was doing the "loving thing" by killing her children. Google the same for fathers if you want to be gender neutral in the search - or "parent" for that matter.

Everything is subjective TM. And every statement made is put forth using the perspective of the person making the statement. My answer was every bit as valid, and every bit as subjective as your own. And that's not a bad thing, that's just the way it is.

But for me, my "reason to be" - my goal/ambition - is to make the world a little bit better place by the time I leave it as when I found it. "Better" is totally subjective to the situations I happen across in life.

If I wanted to pick nits with you, I'd ask you for an objective application of "love" and "truth." The catch is, there is none for either. Everything we do is based on the situation and our perspective on that situation. What one person might see as "nurturing love" another might see as neglecting the principle of "tough love." "Spanking" as a punishment fits this mold. Some feel that spanking as punishment is totally abusive, while I was raised with more than a couple spankings for misbehavior - "Spare the rod, spoil the child."

Same thing goes for "truth." Our individual "truth" is based on things we know, things we believe, and things we suspect based on our own experiences and learnings. The grand "Truth" is an amalgam of all of our individual truths plus all that which humanity has yet to discover.

Do you see what I'm trying to show you TM? You seemed dissatisfied with my use of "better," yet your own use of terminology is just as subjective.

BTW, I'd ask you a question that was put to me by a "crazy" old man who frequented the restaurant I worked at as a teenager: Are you a servant or a master? That's all he said to me, but the question has rocked me to the core over the years when I reconsider how I'd answer it. I'm interested to hear your answer, TM.

[truthmatters]

To love and to stand for truth.

It is my choice to make these things why I was born.

Freewill or slavery is a choice, I chose freewill.

What makes man wonderful is the ability of freewill and the insight to choose a path which serves our brothers.

It can only be done with love and truth.

This was my answer and it drew immediate criticism and I am dog piled on.

Now imagine if I had said it was the only good answer like someone else did?

[truthmatters]

And we've all seen murder cases in the news where a parent killed their children "out of love" and the like. Just Google up "mother kills children love" and see how many different news stories you get wherein the mother believed she was doing the "loving thing" by killing her children. Google the same for fathers if you want to be gender neutral in the search - or "parent" for that matter.

Everything is subjective TM. And every statement made is put forth using the perspective of the person making the statement. My answer was every bit as valid, and every bit as subjective as your own. And that's not a bad thing, that's just the way it is.

But for me, my "reason to be" - my goal/ambition - is to make the world a little bit better place by the time I leave it as when I found it. "Better" is totally subjective to the situations I happen across in life.

If I wanted to pick nits with you, I'd ask you for an objective application of "love" and "truth." The catch is, there is none for either. Everything we do is based on the situation and our perspective on that situation. What one person might see as "nurturing love" another might see as neglecting the principle of "tough love." "Spanking" as a punishment fits this mold. Some feel that spanking as punishment is totally abusive, while I was raised with more than a couple spankings for misbehavior - "Spare the rod, spoil the child."

Same thing goes for "truth." Our individual "truth" is based on things we know, things we believe, and things we suspect based on our own experiences and learnings. The grand "Truth" is an amalgam of all of our individual truths plus all that which humanity has yet to discover.

Do you see what I'm trying to show you TM? You seemed dissatisfied with my use of "better," yet your own use of terminology is just as subjective.

BTW, I'd ask you a question that was put to me by a "crazy" old man who frequented the restaurant I worked at as a teenager: Are you a servant or a master? That's all he said to me, but the question has rocked me to the core over the years when I reconsider how I'd answer it. I'm interested to hear your answer, TM.


Thank you for your civility!

I feel Love is pretty straight foward.

Love includes feeling care for your fellow beings and showing it.

Truth is truth!

I dont think it is subjective.

To seek truth and to seek love and to apply it to the world arround you will leave it a better place.

I was trying to get philisophical about the basic elements of doing good.

BTW I love the old mans question and my answer would be that I am a servant of man and a master of my own thought.

[typomaniac]

The only good answer in this thread, and it goes ignored.

I was going to say the question can not be answered by man. God put us here, only he truly knows why.

Back when the earth was a ball of molten rock and fire, ALL scientists agree, there was absolutely NO WAY LIFE could have existed on earth. It was simply too hot. In order for life to be present on earth, it had to be put here, AFTER the planet cooled. GOD put us here, ask him why.

The ONLY good answer? :eek: How can you be so sure?

If you can't prove (1) that God exists, (2) that God put us here, or (3) that God has anything that humans can understand to be "knowledge," what makes that answer superior to the answer that existence has no purpose?

I'm not attacking your beliefs: I'm just wondering if you actually care to debate something.

[5stringJeff]

In your post you imply anything that does not involve your interpitation of the world as NOT Good.

That is insulting others beliefs

Making an assertion is not "insulting."

[Pale Rider]

I did not claim insult I claimed you were acting as if your belief deserved respect others did not.

Is that right.... well, what's this here in post #65?


That is insulting others beliefs

You're really making yourself out to be "truthDOESN'Tmatter," rather than truthmatters.

[avatar4321]

To love and to stand for truth.

It is my choice to make these things why I was born.

Freewill or slavery is a choice, I chose freewill.

What makes man wonderful is the ability of freewill and the insight to choose a path which serves our brothers.

It can only be done with love and truth.

you cant make truth. You can make love... but so few truly do.

[avatar4321]

Have you ever studied any kind of debate?

It is the biggest sign of no arguement left.

I am serious.

could just be they dont really care about your argument and want to have a little fun.

[avatar4321]

The only good answer in this thread, and it goes ignored.

I was going to say the question can not be answered by man. God put us here, only he truly knows why.

Back when the earth was a ball of molten rock and fire, ALL scientists agree, there was absolutely NO WAY LIFE could have existed on earth. It was simply too hot. In order for life to be present on earth, it had to be put here, AFTER the planet cooled. GOD put us here, ask him why.

Oh why is easy. He put us hear to be happy. Unfortunately most people fail to realize that happiness comes only through righteousness. They try to be happy in their sins and find it fleeting and they become angry because they have to face the consequences of their actions.

The wise ones then turn to ask the Lord what they are doing wrong, they repent of their wicked ways and return again to the state of righteousness because of the Atonement of Christ.

The fool looks for something to blame. Anything but himself. Jews, blacks, whites, hispanics, rich, poor, etc. These people live with hate in their heart and make their condition work. They will be miserable for eternity because of their actions. They will go no where.

[avatar4321]

Yet more pissing on others beliefs

What do beliefs matter? I thought you were seeking for the truth. Why does it matter what someone believes if its not true?

[red states rule]

Oh why is easy. He put us hear to be happy. Unfortunately most people fail to realize that happiness comes only through righteousness. They try to be happy in their sins and find it fleeting and they become angry because they have to face the consequences of their actions.

The wise ones then turn to ask the Lord what they are doing wrong, they repent of their wicked ways and return again to the state of righteousness because of the Atonement of Christ.

The fool looks for something to blame. Anything but himself. Jews, blacks, whites, hispanics, rich, poor, etc. These people live with hate in their heart and make their condition work. They will be miserable for eternity because of their actions. They will go no where.

Life is a gift from God

We should live our lives a gift to God

[avatar4321]

The problem with that answer is doing good is left up to Cocky's interpetation.

I have seen murders interviewed who thought their murders were making the world better.

There is no need to interpet. If you listen to the Holy Spirit you can do no wrong.

[avatar4321]

In your post you imply anything that does not involve your interpitation of the world as NOT Good.

That is insulting others beliefs

When you are cleaving to the truth, then anything that denies and contradicts that is not good. Falsehood is never good.

[avatar4321]

So ignore them, instead of then jumping on others for their answers. SIMPLE doncha think??

That involves consistancy and honesty with oneself.

[avatar4321]

How do you think you and others would have reacted If I posted the ONLY good answer was to not believe in god?

I would think its rather contrary to your assertion that you are looking for truth because that is a lie.

[avatar4321]

BTW, I'd ask you a question that was put to me by a "crazy" old man who frequented the restaurant I worked at as a teenager: Are you a servant or a master? That's all he said to me, but the question has rocked me to the core over the years when I reconsider how I'd answer it. I'm interested to hear your answer, TM.

a very profound question. Too many people are slaves. I can't even honestly say I am not although I can see how freedom comes. Very sad.

[PostmodernProphet]

If you listen to the Holy Spirit you can do no wrong.


Even as a Christian, this comment makes me a bit uncomfortable....I am sure that even Rev. Phelps and his Westover clan would tell you they are 'listening' to the Holy Spirit.....though if they are even trying, they certainly can't be hearing him right.....

[typomaniac]

Oh why is easy. He put us hear to be happy. Unfortunately most people fail to realize that happiness comes only through righteousness. They try to be happy in their sins and find it fleeting and they become angry because they have to face the consequences of their actions.

The wise ones then turn to ask the Lord what they are doing wrong, they repent of their wicked ways and return again to the state of righteousness because of the Atonement of Christ.

The fool looks for something to blame. Anything but himself. Jews, blacks, whites, hispanics, rich, poor, etc. These people live with hate in their heart and make their condition work. They will be miserable for eternity because of their actions. They will go no where.

Doesn't sound like you're all that interested in debating the point (post #84) either. *sigh*

[GW in Ohio]

Why not?

It was the F@#king topic of the thread!

Okay, I'll participate....

I believe the purpose of our lives is to evolve ourselves higher and higher on the spiritual plane until, after however many lifetimes it takes, we reach the stage of enlightenment, which is equivalent to union with God.

We evolve ourselves by right thinking, right actions, etc.

Thanks for asking.

[truthmatters]

Is that right.... well, what's this here in post #65?



You're really making yourself out to be "truthDOESN'Tmatter," rather than truthmatters.


I never claimed personal insult did I?

[truthmatters]

I would think its rather contrary to your assertion that you are looking for truth because that is a lie.

Which is why I would never have said it.

This was in response to someone who did say their view was the ONLY good answer.

[darin]

Life is a gift from God

We should live our lives a gift to God


Life is a gift from god -and we're to live it as a gift TO god? I don't understand that.

[truthmatters]

Okay, I'll participate....

I believe the purpose of our lives is to evolve ourselves higher and higher on the spiritual plane until, after however many lifetimes it takes, we reach the stage of enlightenment, which is equivalent to union with God.

We evolve ourselves by right thinking, right actions, etc.

Thanks for asking.

Thanks GW,
I think we have to act as if we get only one life to do it.

I would love to find we had more than one life to get it right but I have no evidence of it.

My main point was that no matter what you think people should not think there is only one Good answer but that we should embrace all who TRY to love and follow truth if we want to get anywhere near that comman goal.

I think there is room for all beliefs that seek it.

[5stringJeff]

My main point was that no matter what you think people should not think there is only one Good answer but that we should embrace all who TRY to love and follow truth if we want to get anywhere near that comman goal.

I think there is room for all beliefs that seek it.

Now, I don't want you to think that I'm attacking you personally. However, if I understand you correctly, you're saying that everyone's answer is equally valid, given that they don't believe that their answer is exclusively correct. However, doesn't that contradict your screen name of "truthmatters?" After all, if there really is only one correct answer regarding such things as purpose, existence, an afterlife, etc., then does that matter, as your screen name asserts, or does it not matter, as your above post asserts?

[mrg666]

Depends on how much money he has. I'm sure they'd whore themselves for the right price.

:ssex: :ssex:

theres logic there dont wanna live off daddy forever:laugh2:


Now, I don't want you to think that I'm attacking you personally. However, if I understand you correctly, you're saying that everyone's answer is equally valid, given that they don't believe that their answer is exclusively correct. However, doesn't that contradict your screen name of "truthmatters?" After all, if there really is only one correct answer regarding such things as purpose, existence, an afterlife, etc., then does that matter, as your screen name asserts, or does it not matter, as your above post asserts?
as the title suggests each answer will be individual .
in the great scheme of things we all play a differant role that may be discovering a cure for a disease or to get the same disease

[truthmatters]

Now, I don't want you to think that I'm attacking you personally. However, if I understand you correctly, you're saying that everyone's answer is equally valid, given that they don't believe that their answer is exclusively correct. However, doesn't that contradict your screen name of "truthmatters?" After all, if there really is only one correct answer regarding such things as purpose, existence, an afterlife, etc., then does that matter, as your screen name asserts, or does it not matter, as your above post asserts?

Truthmatters not truth is all there is.

Love: defined as feeling care and showing it for your fellow man.

Truth : defined as seeking the truth and not settleing for things which cant be proved and insisting they are truth.

Belief : as in the theory of how you think the things we cannot proove are tied together.

If we all Love and hold truth dear the belief part is your own choice.

[5stringJeff]

Truthmatters not truth is all there is.

Love: defined as feeling care and showing it for your fellow man.

Truth : defined as seeking the truth and not settleing for things which cant be proved and insisting they are truth.

Belief : as in the theory of how you think the things we cannot proove are tied together.

If we all Love and hold truth dear the belief part is your own choice.

Thanks. That clarifies where you're coming from, even though I see we have different philosophies.

[truthmatters]

I thank you for your civility.

So much understanding can happen when people truely listen to each other instead of creating straw men to attack.

[avatar4321]

Doesn't sound like you're all that interested in debating the point (post #84) either. *sigh*

truth isnt debatable. It either is or isnt.

[typomaniac]

truth isnt debatable. It either is or isnt.

Either you didn't read the post, or you're just asserting that something is true without regard to proof.

[5stringJeff]

Either you didn't read the post, or you're just asserting that something is true without regard to proof.

Whether or not something can be proven to be true does not make it any more or less true. For example, if God exists, but He can't be proven to exist, then He would not then cease to exist. Likewise, if God didn't exist, and it couldn't be proven, God would still not exist.

[avatar4321]

Either you didn't read the post, or you're just asserting that something is true without regard to proof.

Truth is truth whether its proved or not. It doesnt matter if everyone knows about it or no one does. Truth is things as they are, things as they were, and things as they will be. There is no opinion, simply facts. Belief in those facts is a complete different topic.

[typomaniac]

Truth is truth whether its proved or not. It doesnt matter if everyone knows about it or no one does. Truth is things as they are, things as they were, and things as they will be. There is no opinion, simply facts. Belief in those facts is a complete different topic.

Then what's to stop me from saying "The fact is that you're wrong, and nothing you can say or do will ever change that."?

[Said1]

Quote:
Originally Posted by 5stringJeff
"Fear God, and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man." Eccl. 12:13

The only good answer in this thread, and it goes ignored.

I was going to say the question can not be answered by man. God put us here, only he truly knows why.

Back when the earth was a ball of molten rock and fire, ALL scientists agree, there was absolutely NO WAY LIFE could have existed on earth. It was simply too hot. In order for life to be present on earth, it had to be put here, AFTER the planet cooled. GOD put us here, ask him why.




In your post you imply anything that does not involve your interpitation of the world as NOT Good.

That is insulting others beliefs

How is that insulting my beliefs?

Trust me, I'm as far from a Christian as one can get, so keep that in mind when replying.

Actually, I do get my panties in a bit of a wade when people start dissen the Catholics, but they don't really mean it, so it's all good. I think it might be a knee jerk reaction anyway. I haven't been to church in yrs.

So anyway, back to my point, how, according to you, have my beliefs been insulted, ?

[avatar4321]

Then what's to stop me from saying "The fact is that you're wrong, and nothing you can say or do will ever change that."?

There isnt. But the fact is im not wrong.

[manu1959]

Either you didn't read the post, or you're just asserting that something is true without regard to proof.

the earth was round before it was proven to be round....the truth is the truth....proving it is not required

[manu1959]

have been thinking about this question....

ones purpose is defined by others.....for if you interacted with no one...you would have no purpose

[typomaniac]

the earth was round before it was proven to be round....the truth is the truth....proving it is not required

The earth was never round (or spherical). It's squished at the poles and bulging at the equator. THAT's the truth, you ignoramus.
:slap:

[5stringJeff]

The earth was never round (or spherical). It's squished at the poles and bulging at the equator. THAT's the truth, you ignoramus.
:slap:

I think he meant round, as opposed to flat, not perfectly spherical.

[manu1959]

The earth was never round (or spherical). It's squished at the poles and bulging at the equator. THAT's the truth, you ignoramus.
:slap:

lost the argument so you make it about semantics.....you should go back to where you were and practice some more....

you aren't pre law are you?

[typomaniac]

I think he meant round, as opposed to flat, not perfectly spherical.

Debate has to deal with what people say, not what they mean. Otherwise it's impossible. :dunno:

[manu1959]

Debate has to deal with what people say, not what they mean. Otherwise it's impossible. :dunno:

so is your claim the world is flat and always has been?

[typomaniac]

lost the argument so you make it about semantics.....you should go back to where you were and practice some more....

you aren't pre law are you?

I didn't lose the argument; you just have no sense of humor. But if you'd like to go back to where we were, fine:

All human knowledge of "truth" is based on what humans can prove (or disprove) with logic and sensory evidence. Period. No exceptions whatsoever.

Therefore, if you make a statement that is impossible to prove or disprove (such as "God put humans on earth"), you can't call it truth, even if that's what really happened. It becomes a mystery.

[manu1959]

I didn't lose the argument; you just have no sense of humor. But if you'd like to go back to where we were, fine:

All human knowledge of "truth" is based on what humans can prove (or disprove) with logic and sensory evidence. Period. No exceptions whatsoever.

Therefore, if you make a statement that is impossible to prove or disprove (such as "God put humans on earth"), you can't call it truth, even if that's what really happened. It becomes a mystery.

the earth was round before man got here.....

[typomaniac]

the earth was round before man got here.....

Same old broken record. "Human knowledge of truth" had no meaning before man got here, now did it?

[manu1959]

Same old broken record. "Human knowledge of truth" had no meaning before man got here, now did it?

truth and fact are truth and fact man is not required ....

your claim is man is god and truth can not exist without man.....

when man is gone the earth will still be round...the sky blue and water wet....

man is not required to make those things truth and fact....birds and fish and worms know these truths to be fact.....

[JohnDoe]

I didn't lose the argument; you just have no sense of humor. But if you'd like to go back to where we were, fine:

All human knowledge of "truth" is based on what humans can prove (or disprove) with logic and sensory evidence. Period. No exceptions whatsoever.

Therefore, if you make a statement that is impossible to prove or disprove (such as "God put humans on earth"), you can't call it truth, even if that's what really happened. It becomes a mystery.Very true! And in many religions they are called "Mysteries of Faith"....though those of us that are religious still consider them true or truth, but they are unprovable and not necessarily humanly understandable, thus they are called Mysteries....

jd

[Black Lance]

have been thinking about this question....

ones purpose is defined by others.....for if you interacted with no one...you would have no purpose

So if others around you designate your purpose as to explode a dirty bomb in an American city, or to press a little red button that gasses a chamber full of imprisoned Jews, is that then your purpose in life?

Only with God does life have a purpose. Outside of him life is merely, as Solomon put it, "a chasing after the wind".

[glockmail]

The earth was never round (or spherical). It's squished at the poles and bulging at the equator. THAT's the truth, you ignoramus.
:slap:
What's squishing it? :poke:

[typomaniac]

truth and fact are truth and fact man is not required ....

your claim is man is god and truth can not exist without man.....
when man is gone the earth will still be round...the sky blue and water wet....

man is not required to make those things truth and fact....birds and fish and worms know these truths to be fact.....

Not my claim at all. My claim is that without man, "truth" and "fact" have no meaning. They are only what we can perceive and deduce.

By the way, how do birds and fish know that the earth is round? Or what the color "blue" is, let alone that the sky is blue?

[red states rule]

What's squishing it? :poke:

if it is being squished, it sure is not man. perhaps a higher being?

[Hagbard Celine]

My life's purpose is to write on Internet message boards. This is my life's work...

[red states rule]

My life's purpose is to write on Internet message boards. This is my life's work...

Maybee one day those writings will start to make sense

With the help of God of course

[Hagbard Celine]

Maybee one day those writings will start to make sense

With the help of God of course

Maybee. Won can ownlee hop.

[red states rule]

Maybee. Won can ownlee hop.

You must be a producer at the Clinton News Network

[truthmatters]

if it is being squished, it sure is not man. perhaps a higher being?

gravitational forces of the other things in our solar system.

Did you really not know this?

[red states rule]

gravitational forces of the other things in our solar system.

Did you really not know this?

and what caused the gravitational forces - not man that is for sure

[truthmatters]

the other matter in the universe which goes through a cycle.

Again this breings us back to the idea that if you can accept God always exsisted why cant you accept that instead the Universe always exsisted?

[red states rule]

the other matter in the universe which goes through a cycle.

Again this breings us back to the idea that if you can accept God always exsisted why cant you accept that instead the Universe always exsisted?

It started to exist the day God decided to create it

[truthmatters]

Your Proof?

[red states rule]

Your Proof?

the Bible

[truthmatters]

How is the Bible proof?

[red states rule]

How is the Bible proof?

You will see and hear the proof moments after you leave this world

[truthmatters]

It is no more trustable than any other piece of religious literature now is it?

Why is it proof and the writings of Hindu's are not?

[red states rule]

It is no more trustable than any other piece of religious literature now is it?

Why is it proof and the writings of Hindu's are not?

We will all find out one day which is true.

I am not worried - perhaps you should start

[truthmatters]

Why should I worry?

I believe in what I can prove and then speculate about the rest.

I do NOT pretend my speculations are fact like some though.

[red states rule]

Why should I worry?

I believe in what I can prove and then speculate about the rest.

I do NOT pretend my speculations are fact like some though.

Perhaps one day - before it is to late - you will change your beliefs

I really hope you do

[darin]

Why should I worry?

I believe in what I can prove and then speculate about the rest.

I do NOT pretend my speculations are fact like some though.

If one admits what they believe could very-well be false, their faith is useless.

[red states rule]

If one admits what they believe could very-well be false, their faith is useless.

How true - wish I could rep you

[truthmatters]

I doubt it very much.

Perhaps someday you will change your mind about facts?

You see when we concentrate on being good to each other and facing facts we dont really need to try and insult others religions.

This is also why religion should not enter the world of politics, our founding fathers were pretty smart.

[darin]

I doubt it very much.

Perhaps someday you will change your mind about facts?

You see when we concentrate on being good to each other and facing facts we dont really need to try and insult others religions.

This is also why religion should not enter the world of politics, our founding fathers were pretty smart.

to whom were you responding?

[red states rule]

I doubt it very much.

Perhaps someday you will change your mind about facts?

You see when we concentrate on being good to each other and facing facts we dont really need to try and insult others religions.

This is also why religion should not enter the world of politics, our founding fathers were pretty smart.

I see the left insulting Christanity every chance they get, while bending over backwards for other Religions

[glockmail]

the other matter in the universe which goes through a cycle.

Again this breings us back to the idea that if you can accept God always exsisted why cant you accept that instead the Universe always exsisted?

But isn't the universe expanding? Therefore it had to have a beginning. And since the stars have a known life span, the universe will end.

[truthmatters]

Its a cycle , we are in the expanding cycle

[typomaniac]

You will see and hear the proof moments after you leave this world

What if I said that you would turn into a giant vat of spaghetti after you leave this world? :eek:

How would you be able to tell whether I'm correct or the Bible is correct? :confused:

[PostmodernProphet]

How would you be able to tell whether I'm correct or the Bible is correct?

the person leaving would be able to tell, by smell......myrrh or oregeno?.......

[glockmail]

Its a cycle , we are in the expanding cycle How could it be a cycle if it is constantly expanding? After a while the solar enegy is all spent and then a few gazillion years later and the density approaches zero.

[glockmail]

What if I said that you would turn into a giant vat of spaghetti after you leave this world? :eek:

How would you be able to tell whether I'm correct or the Bible is correct? :confused: Pasta was invented by man, so that's impossible. Chalk up another loss for typo, and a clear convincing victory for glock.:pee:

[typomaniac]

Pasta was invented by man, so that's impossible. Chalk up another loss for typo, and a clear convincing victory for glock.:pee:

The Bible was invented by man, too. :lol:

What do you take to experience all these delusions? :wine:

[glockmail]

The Bible was invented by man, too. :lol:

What do you take to experience all these delusions? :wine: Any proof that man invented the Bible? :poke:

Looks like another glock-victory in the making. :pee:

[typomaniac]

Any proof that man invented the Bible? :poke:

Well, I guess it's possible that it was handed down to man by space aliens. :laugh2:

Is that your argument, O master debater? Is that why the government has kept Area 51 such a big secret?

:death:
:pee:

[truthmatters]

Its accepted by the entire world that men wrote the Bible.

Now they may have believed in God when they did but that is no proof that they were not just assuming what they wrote God put in their heads.

Its Fine to believe that that is the case but to ridicule people who have a different religious belief for not believing this is .....Well ........sectist.

[gabosaurus]

Shouldn't we move the religious talk back to the Religion section and go back to the original topic? That being "What is your purpose for being."

My current purposes for being:
**To take care of my husband. He is a really brilliant man, but has trouble working the toaster. I don't even allow him near the oven.

**To finish my Master's thesis. (If you don't know what that is, or are unfamiliar with the concept, let me know and I will explain.)

**Continue my preparations for motherhood, which will commence with our adoption of a daughter in May or June. I have so much to teach her, including staying away from porn and Fox on TV, not to play with rabid conservative commentators and never take candy from strangers with Tancredo festishes.

**Eventually take my place in society as a counselor for at risk teens. There are so many young children out there whose lives are being ruined by poverty, drugs, alcohol and conservative and/or evangelical parents.

[glockmail]

Well, I guess it's possible that it was handed down to man by space aliens. :laugh2:

Is that your argument, O master debater? Is that why the government has kept Area 51 such a big secret?

:death:
:pee:


You made the assertion. Now prove that the Torah (the first 5 books) was written by man, not simply transcribed by him. :D

[gabosaurus]

You made the assertion. Now prove that the Torah (the first 5 books) was written by man, not simply transcribed by him. :D

I don't recall Jesus holding any press conferences.

[glockmail]

I don't recall Jesus holding any press conferences. He wasn't born then. Turn your watch back about 3000 years. :slap:

[truthmatters]

You made the assertion. Now prove that the Torah (the first 5 books) was written by man, not simply transcribed by him. :D

Well how do you prove what was inside someones head when they were writing?

You see we cannot take their sugestions that God was transcribing it to them just on face value otherswise we would have to take people who killed their kids and say God told them to do it just as seriously.

[glockmail]

Well how do you prove what was inside someones head when they were writing?

You see we cannot take their sugestions that God was transcribing it to them just on face value otherswise we would have to take people who killed their kids and say God told them to do it just as seriously. Your side made the assertion. The proof is up to y'all. Don't expect me to do it for you.

[eighballsidepocket]

Why Were You Born?

Hope you don't mind if I use a respected reference book, but the bible says that man was created in God's image and intended to live a life that glorified God, his Maker.

I hope that in some way, my life may do that, to some extent.

God also made us humans to be a "joy" to His heart. He desires a close communion with us for eternity.

[typomaniac]

You made the assertion. Now prove that the Torah (the first 5 books) was written by man, not simply transcribed by him. :D

Occam's Razor. Of all the ways in which the Torah could have come into being, a group of men writing it is the simplest possible explanation.

[JohnDoe]

To be as good a person as my cat thinks I am!

jd

[truthmatters]

Occam's Razor. Of all the ways in which the Torah could have come into being, a group of men writing it is the simplest possible explanation.


Exactly, why add complication to the problem ,the simplest answer is the most likely.

If someone can accept God just always exsisted then why is it hard to accept the Universe has just always exsisted.

I just cant pretend to believe in something I just dont believe in.

I dont know why that makes some angry at me but it always does.

Somehow people who believe in religion ( no matter which one) always think if I talk about what I believe and why I am attacking their religion.

[glockmail]

Occam's Razor. Of all the ways in which the Torah could have come into being, a group of men writing it is the simplest possible explanation.
The simplest way is often the way, but not always. You leave too much reasonable doubt.

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

1. But the meaning of life is, this folks,....*Help As Many People As You Can*
2. Have a happy life now.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[manu1959]

So if others around you designate your purpose as to explode a dirty bomb in an American city, or to press a little red button that gasses a chamber full of imprisoned Jews, is that then your purpose in life?

Only with God does life have a purpose. Outside of him life is merely, as Solomon put it, "a chasing after the wind".

it is if you choose it.....it is not if you don't.....

[PostmodernProphet]

Occam's Razor. Of all the ways in which the Torah could have come into being, a group of men writing it is the simplest possible explanation.


Occam's Razor is a handy tool to find the most convenient answer.....seldom to find the truth.....

[truthmatters]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor

maybe you need to more fully understand the concept of Occams razor.

Occam's razor (sometimes spelled Ockham's razor) is a principle attributed to the 14th-century English logician and Franciscan friar William of Ockham. The principle states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor


Believing in a higher being requires an assumption, I make as few of those as I can in life.

[avatar4321]

Occam's Razor is a presumption. that doesnt mean its a fact.

[glockmail]

.....


Believing in a higher being requires an assumption, I make as few of those as I can in life. So does not believing. :D

[typomaniac]

Occam's Razor is a presumption. that doesnt mean its a fact.

Occam's Razor is a methodology, not a presumption. The only presumption is that, every other factor being equal, Occam's Razor always applies.

Show me something "unequal" and we can talk. The burden of proof is squarely on the theists here, not on the agnostics.

[PostmodernProphet]

The burden of proof is squarely on the theists here, not on the agnostics.

/shrugs......there is no burden of proof, there is only freedom to make a choice......

[avatar4321]

I don't recall Jesus holding any press conferences.

I was unaware He had to when all people have to do is pray to get to know Him.

[glockmail]

Occam's Razor is a methodology, not a presumption. The only presumption is that, every other factor being equal, Occam's Razor always applies.

Show me something "unequal" and we can talk. The burden of proof is squarely on the theists here, not on the agnostics.

OK. :coffee:

So the simplest explanation is that there is one God, and He created the universe. The theory of evolution, in contrast, is amazingly complex.

[typomaniac]

OK. :coffee:

So the simplest explanation is that there is one God, and He created the universe. The theory of evolution, in contrast, is amazingly complex.

Why isn't the simplest explanation that there is no God and that the universe has always existed? :rolleyes:

[glockmail]

Why isn't the simplest explanation that there is no God and that the universe has always existed? :rolleyes: If so then explain how life formed. :slap:

[typomaniac]

If so then explain how life formed. :slap:

Can't answer the question, can you? Chalk up another loss for glockmail.

:death:
:pee:

[PostmodernProphet]

I don't recall Jesus holding any press conferences.

then it's funny that he's about the only person in that century who's been quoted in print......

[glockmail]

Can't answer the question, can you? Chalk up another loss for glockmail.

:death:
:pee:
The question was answered.
I see you have a problem with reading comprehension as well as delusions of winning an argument.

[red states rule]

If so then explain how life formed. :slap:

Please duck - you may be hit by incoming bullshit when he "answers"

[glockmail]

Please duck - you may be hit by incoming bullshit when he "answers" He's the one ducking, having already avoided it once.

[red states rule]

He's the one ducking, having already avoided it once.

I did not want you hit by the flying bull that is sure to follow

[glockmail]

I did not want you hit by the flying bull that is sure to follow I found a bullshit deflector long ago. It's called logic.
:pee:

[red states rule]

I found a bullshit deflector long ago. It's called logic.
:pee:

:lol:

it will be used alot on this thread

[typomaniac]

:lol:

it will be used alot on this thread

Doubtful. Glockmail knows as much about logic as a hamster knows about liturgical Hebrew.

[red states rule]

Doubtful. Glockmail knows as much about logic as a hamster knows about liturgical Hebrew.

His BS deflector has been working very well so far

[gabosaurus]

Religion is a belief. You have to believe in what you have faith in.
The story of Jesus (and all of the Bible) were passed down for many generations. No part of the Bible is the direct word of anyone. Jesus did not collect his thoughts and leave written notes.
That is why there are so many different interpretations of The Bible. There are a lot of varying recollections.

[glockmail]

Doubtful. Glockmail knows as much about logic as a hamster knows about liturgical Hebrew. Tell that to my college dean who stuck the "cum laude" on my engineering degree.

[Black Lance]

it is if you choose it.....it is not if you don't.....

So is it your purpose if you choose it, or if others choose it for you?

[Black Lance]

Why isn't the simplest explanation that there is no God and that the universe has always existed? :rolleyes:

Because this view requires us to believe in an extremely complex process of DNA mutation and genetic drift that slowly transforms microscopic mineral strings into human beings over billions of years of chance events.

"Simplicity" is not on the side of atheism.

[typomaniac]

Tell that to my college dean who stuck the "cum laude" on my engineering degree.

He or she must have been drunk at the time. :laugh2:

[typomaniac]

Because this view requires us to believe in an extremely complex process of DNA mutation and genetic drift that slowly transforms microscopic mineral strings into human beings over billions of years of chance events.

"Simplicity" is not on the side of atheism.

The major flaw in your reasoning is that there's not only empirical evidence of DNA mutation, but also that we've been able to reproduce it in a laboratory.

So far there has been no empirical evidence of an all-creating God, to say nothing of the fact that no one has ever been able to simulate one.

[glockmail]

He or she must have been drunk at the time. :laugh2:
:lame2:

[glockmail]

The major flaw in your reasoning is that there's not only empirical evidence of DNA mutation, but also that we've been able to reproduce it in a laboratory.

So far there has been no empirical evidence of an all-creating God, to say nothing of the fact that no one has ever been able to simulate one.

:link: to the site showing lab mutations making humans or any different species.

[truthmatters]

http://tinyurl.com/2ezcl3

here is a link to a recent story about spontanious life in space

From The Sunday TimesAugust 12, 2007

Dust ‘comes alive’ in spaceRobert Booth
SCIENTISTS have discovered that inorganic material can take on the characteristics of living organisms in space, a development that could transform views of alien life.

An international panel from the Russian Academy of Sciences, the Max Planck institute in Germany and the University of Sydney found that galactic dust could form spontaneously into helixes and double helixes and that the inorganic creations had memory and the power to reproduce themselves.

A similar rethinking of prospective alien life is being undertaken by the National Research Council, an advisory body to the US government. It says Nasa should start a search for what it describes as “weird life” - organisms that lack DNA or other molecules found in life on Earth.

The new research, to be published this week in the New Journal of Physics, found nonorganic dust, when held in the form of plasma in zero gravity, formed the helical structures found in DNA. The particles are held together by electromagnetic forces that the scientists say could contain a code comparable to the genetic information held in organic matter. It appeared that this code could be transferred to the next generation.

[glockmail]

http://tinyurl.com/2ezcl3

here is a link to a recent story about spontanious life in space:lame2: bringing up the same argument that has been shot full of holes already.

[typomaniac]

:lame2: bringing up the same argument that has been shot full of holes already.

Why can't you just admit that you were owned, pissant? :poke:
:pee:

[truthmatters]

By Whom?

[typomaniac]

http://tinyurl.com/2ezcl3

here is a link to a recent story about spontanious life in space

:clap:

Hey TM, you should change your title from "Senior Member" to "Owner of glockmail." :laugh2:

[truthmatters]

In his world science is not accepted I think.

I dont think I want to own him anyway,its probabaly not a good investment.

[glockmail]

In his world science is not accepted I think.

I dont think I want to own him anyway,its probabaly not a good investment.
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showpost.php?p=107145&postcount=197

:pee:

[glockmail]

Why can't you just admit that you were owned, pissant? :poke:
:pee: Don't make me be your god again. :slap:

[truthmatters]

You remind me of this guy I met on the internet that kept claiming he had 5 degrees.

I caught him and proved he did not have them and was lying.

[glockmail]

You remind me of this guy I met on the internet that kept claiming he had 5 degrees.

I caught him and proved he did not have them and was lying. Pretty lame to accuse me of lying. Almost as lame as claiming I'm adverse to science. Very telling about the strength of your argument. :pee:

[truthmatters]

Originally Posted by truthmatters
http://tinyurl.com/2ezcl3

here is a link to a recent story about spontanious life in space

bringing up the same argument that has been shot full of holes already.


I asked you who did and you refuse to say anything about this so called hole shooting?

[glockmail]

Originally Posted by truthmatters
http://tinyurl.com/2ezcl3

here is a link to a recent story about spontanious life in space

bringing up the same argument that has been shot full of holes already.


I asked you who did and you refuse to say anything about this so called hole shooting? This suggests that you haven't read what others have posted in this thread. Try responding to those points instead of bring up issues that have already been addressed. I'm not going to summarize for you.

[truthmatters]

Pretty lame to accuse me of lying. Almost as lame asclaiming I'm adverse to science . Very telling about the strength of your argument. :pee:


just answering you fella

[glockmail]

just answering you fella In your world baseless accusations are an "answer"? :lame2:

[truthmatters]

I gave you science and you said it had been refuted yet refused to say how.

That is proof to anyone who reads this thread that you care nothing abut facts and adult debate you simply post a picture of a peeing squirl and think this passes are an arguement.

This is why the Republican party is on its death bed.

[glockmail]

You remind me of this guy I met on the internet that kept claiming he had 5 degrees.

I caught him and proved he did not have them and was lying.

I'm still waiting for you to provide any basis whatsover to justify your accusation. :poke:

[glockmail]

I gave you science and you said it had been refuted yet refused to say how...... http://www.debatepolicy.com/showpost.php?p=104064&postcount=18

This has to be the lamest tactic I've seen in a long time. You lost an argument in one thread so you brought it up in another one week later. :pee:

[typomaniac]

In your world baseless accusations are an "answer"? :lame2:

I thought that was your world, schlock... :confused:

[truthmatters]

The new research, to be published this week in the New Journal of Physics, found nonorganic dust, when held in the form of plasma in zero gravity, formed the helical structures found in DNA. The particles are held together by electromagnetic forces that the scientists say could contain a code comparable to the genetic information held in organic matter. It appeared that this code could be transferred to the next generation.

Professor Greg Morfill, of the Max Planck institute of extra-terrestrial physics, said: “Going by our current narrow definitions of what life is, it qualifies.
http://tinyurl.com/2ezcl3

He ignored this part ot the story.

[typomaniac]

In his world science is not accepted I think.

I dont think I want to own him anyway,its probabaly not a good investment.

Just because you own him doesn't mean you have to maintain him... :smoke:

[glockmail]

Just because you own him doesn't mean you have to maintain him... :smoke: I don't see how you qualify to make that judgment, my little shoe-shine boy. :D

[glockmail]

The new research, to be published this week in the New Journal of Physics, found nonorganic dust, when held in the form of plasma in zero gravity, formed the helical structures found in DNA. The particles are held together by electromagnetic forces that the scientists say could contain a code comparable to the genetic information held in organic matter. It appeared that this code could be transferred to the next generation.

Professor Greg Morfill, of the Max Planck institute of extra-terrestrial physics, said: “Going by our current narrow definitions of what life is, it qualifies.
http://tinyurl.com/2ezcl3

He ignored this part ot the story.

This guy did not: http://www.debatepolicy.com/showpost.php?p=104179&postcount=19

As well as several others over a week ago in another thread.

Get over your loss.

[truthmatters]

This guy did not: http://www.debatepolicy.com/showpost.php?p=104179&postcount=19

As well as several others over a week ago in another thread.

Get over your loss.


Professor Greg Morfill, of the Max Planck institute of extra-terrestrial physics, said:“Going by our current narrow definitions of what life is, it qualifies.
http://tinyurl.com/2ezcl3



why do you ignore the facts ?

[5stringJeff]

So far there has been no empirical evidence of an all-creating God, to say nothing of the fact that no one has ever been able to simulate one.

If God is supernatural, then how could science use natural means to prove or disprove His existence?

[glockmail]

Professor Greg Morfill, of the Max Planck institute of extra-terrestrial physics, said:“Going by our current narrow definitions of what life is, it qualifies.
http://tinyurl.com/2ezcl3



why do you ignore the facts ?

You ignore that his "narrow definitions of what life is" doesn't jive with reality.

[typomaniac]

If God is supernatural, then how could science use natural means to prove or disprove His existence?

Is God necessarily supernatural? Perhaps He's paranormal. :dunno:

[typomaniac]

You ignore that his "narrow definitions of what life is" doesn't jive with reality.

The one thing I admire about you, glock, is the tenacity with which you cling to your version of reality, which has no believers apart from yourself.

[glockmail]

The one thing I admire about you, glock, is the tenacity with which you cling to your version of reality, which has no believers apart from yourself. Care to rethink that, prove that theory of yours with a poll, or should I do it and own you again?

[typomaniac]

Care to rethink that, prove that theory of yours with a poll, or should I do it and own you again?
What's wrong? Can't you even take a compliment? :D

[glockmail]

What's wrong? Can't you even take a compliment? :D A back-asswards one? No.

Which option do you choose? Or shall I do it for you?

[typomaniac]

A back-asswards one? No.

Which option do you choose? Or shall I do it for you?

Who am I to stop you from making a complete ass of yourself yet again? Have at it. :laugh2:

[truthmatters]

You ignore that his "narrow definitions of what life is" doesn't jive with reality.

says who ?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life

[Black Lance]

The major flaw in your reasoning is that there's not only empirical evidence of DNA mutation, but also that we've been able to reproduce it in a laboratory.

So far there has been no empirical evidence of an all-creating God, to say nothing of the fact that no one has ever been able to simulate one.

You've now confused probability with simplicity. Your previous reference to the razor relies upon the later.

[glockmail]

says who ?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/life

[glockmail]

Who am I to stop you from making a complete ass of yourself yet again? Have at it. :laugh2:
You formulate the poll questions and I'll post 'em.

[truthmatters]

c : an organismic state characterized by capacity for metabolism, growth, reaction to stimuli, and reproduction



Proposed definitions of life include:

Living things are systems that tend to respond to changes in their environment, and inside themselves, in such a way as to promote their own continuation.[citation needed]
Life is a characteristic of self-organizing, self-recycling systems consisting of populations of replicators that are capable of mutation, around most of which homeostatic, metabolizing organisms evolve


pretty much the same

[glockmail]

c : an organismic state characterized by capacity for metabolism, growth, reaction to stimuli, and reproduction



Proposed definitions of life include:

Living things are systems that tend to respond to changes in their environment, and inside themselves, in such a way as to promote their own continuation.[citation needed]
Life is a characteristic of self-organizing, self-recycling systems consisting of populations of replicators that are capable of mutation, around most of which homeostatic, metabolizing organisms evolve


pretty much the same

Why don't you carry this over to the previous thread, specific to this topic, that you were owned on. This is pitiful otherwise.

[truthmatters]

Why is it you people cant seem to figure out that just saying you owned someone does not constitute a valid arguement?

[glockmail]

Why is it you people cant seem to figure out that just saying you owned someone does not constitute a valid arguement? When have I said that? I was talking about 6 or 7 on that thread. You're a time-share.

[truthmatters]

Professor Greg Morfill, of the Max Planck institute of extra-terrestrial physics, said:“Going by our current narrow definitions of what life is, it qualifies.
http://tinyurl.com/2ezcl3



why do you ignore the facts ?


Why do you refuse science you dont like?

[glockmail]

Why do you refuse science you dont like?
Because its bullshit science, like global warming and evolution.

[typomaniac]

You've now confused probability with simplicity. Your previous reference to the razor relies upon the later.

Not quite. My previous reference to the razor (and indeed the razor itself) relies on all other factors being equal. The fact that there is reproducible evidence pertaining to DNA makes the comparison unequal.

[avatar4321]

Why do you refuse science you dont like?

science isnt truth. its a method to learn truth. but the methods dont always produce truth hence why we always need new people questioning things and doing experiments to learn.

[truthmatters]

Because its bullshit science, like global warming and evolution.


Your proof?

[truthmatters]

science isnt truth. its a method to learn truth. but the methods dont always produce truth hence why we always need new people questioning things and doing experiments to learn.

It has given us the best understanding possible, would you go back to just living on faith?

Lots of people died and suffered when we lived like that.

Science is a search for truth and it has given us the most reliable answers.

So why do people refuse what they dont like on whims instead of refuting the science?

[glockmail]

Your proof? The proof is up to the theorists, and I'm still waiting.

[avatar4321]

It has given us the best understanding possible, would you go back to just living on faith?

Lots of people died and suffered when we lived like that.

Science is a search for truth and it has given us the most reliable answers.

So why do people refuse what they dont like on whims instead of refuting the science?

Lots of people suffer and die now because of science. What's your point?

You make all these claims but it's clear you don't understand what science is. Science is refuted all the time. It was once scientific consensus that the world was flat. That the earth was the center of the universe. As people grew in knowledge they were able to correct misconceptions. They also created other misconceptions.

It was the thought of the rule of "science" that propelled the French Revolution. Used to justify the Second and Third Reich. How many people are being killed now for the cause of science?

Science didn't give me faith in God. Personal interaction with Him did. Science isnt going to take it away because as an intelligent person I know there is always knowledge we dont know. There are things that may look contradictory now that in time will be totally in sync.

The revelations of God have been tried and tested and work every time they are tried. The only problem with them is they arent tried.

Man's understanding of physics, biology, chemistry etc. may change from day to day. But the principles of heaven: Hope, Faith, Charity, mercy, kindness, brotherly love, godliness will always remain the same.

All knowledge comes from one source: God. And He has blessed us greatly. But He can take away that knowledge just as easily as He has given it to us. And I think He will be much more inclined to take knowledge from ungrateful people who refuse to acknowledge His hand in all things.