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Gunny

10-20-2017, 06:37 PM

Donald Trump has been accused of fuelling hate crime with a tweet erroneously linking a rise in the UK crime rate to "radical Islamic terror".
He said crime in the UK had risen by 13% amid the "spread" of Islamist terror - despite the figure referring to all crimes, not just terrorism.
The Labour MP, Yvette Cooper, said the statement was "inflammatory and ignorant", while ex-Labour leader Ed Miliband said Mr Trump was "a moron".
The Home Office declined to comment.

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Just out report: "United Kingdom crime rises 13% annually amid spread of Radical Islamic terror." Not good, we must keep America safe!
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Mr Trump's tweet used data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS)'s latest crime update (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41677046), which reported a 13% increase across all offences in the 12 months to June.
It covered England and Wales, not the whole of the UK.
Police recorded 5.2m offences in the last year, the bulk of which were not associated with terrorism.
Rises were recorded in crime public order offences, stalking and harassment, possession of weapons and robbery.

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Is there any call for this stupid shit? I mean, for real. Somebody needs to take away his phone and stuff a sock in his mouth. What a dumbass thing to do. He doesn't have enough problems to deal with here, right? Let's just insult one of our staunchest allies because we can't keep our big trap shut.

jimnyc

10-20-2017, 06:55 PM

more ...http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-41695667

Is there any call for this stupid shit? I mean, for real. Somebody needs to take away his phone and stuff a sock in his mouth. What a dumbass thing to do. He doesn't have enough problems to deal with here, right? Let's just insult one of our staunchest allies because we can't keep our big trap shut.

I agree that he shouldn't be doing things that may anger any of our allies.

With that said, pointing out the connection he sees, and their own data showing the increase in crime, probably isn't much of a leap. You don't think more and more muslims being let into various countries isn't causing crime rates to increase? Of course not the entire increase, but I would believe it easily plays a part. Look at some of the stuff below. PC is STILL a problem, and folks still don't want to talk about Islam and crime. The crime in the released report was for England and Wales. These are just to give an idea.

But again, I AGREE with you about him and sometimes shutting the EFF up when it pertains to our allies. But that doesn't make him wrong. There HAS been an increase in crime by muslims, and in those areas, but hardly accounting for all that crime. And hopefully we don't make as many mistakes when it comes to allowing in refugees, where they go & do our best to keep the criminal element out.

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Police arrest 900 Muslim migrants in England and Wales for “sickening” crimes

Victims keep piling up, but leftist authorities continue to waffle in putting a stop to this lunacy. The plethora of news reports worldwide has long revealed a war against freedom, democracies and anyone considered an “infidel,” waged by Islamic supremacists who are indoctrinated into thinking they have a right to abuse or kill infidels, no matter of what age.

“Shocking police figures released for England and Wales have shown nearly 900 Syrians have been arrested in just one year….officials say the migrants were accused of sickening crimes including rapes and child abuse. Now critics say they are concerned that the thousands of Syrians entering Britain each year under resettlement schemes are being allowed to enter the country unchecked.”

Leftists and cowards continue to remain phobic about being called “Islamophobic,” and so they abandon ship, abdicating their duty to protect their citizens, who elected them to do just that.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/08/police-arrest-900-muslim-migrants-in-england-and-wales-for-sickening-crimes

Gunny

10-20-2017, 07:04 PM

I agree that he shouldn't be doing things that may anger any of our allies.

With that said, pointing out the connection he sees, and their own data showing the increase in crime, probably isn't much of a leap. You don't think more and more muslims being let into various countries isn't causing crime rates to increase? Of course not the entire increase, but I would believe it easily plays a part. Look at some of the stuff below. PC is STILL a problem, and folks still don't want to talk about Islam and crime. The crime in the released report was for England and Wales. These are just to give an idea.

But again, I AGREE with you about him and sometimes shutting the EFF up when it pertains to our allies. But that doesn't make him wrong. There HAS been an increase in crime by muslims, and in those areas, but hardly accounting for all that crime. And hopefully we don't make as many mistakes when it comes to allowing in refugees, where they go & do our best to keep the criminal element out.

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Police arrest 900 Muslim migrants in England and Wales for “sickening” crimes

Victims keep piling up, but leftist authorities continue to waffle in putting a stop to this lunacy. The plethora of news reports worldwide has long revealed a war against freedom, democracies and anyone considered an “infidel,” waged by Islamic supremacists who are indoctrinated into thinking they have a right to abuse or kill infidels, no matter of what age.

“Shocking police figures released for England and Wales have shown nearly 900 Syrians have been arrested in just one year….officials say the migrants were accused of sickening crimes including rapes and child abuse. Now critics say they are concerned that the thousands of Syrians entering Britain each year under resettlement schemes are being allowed to enter the country unchecked.”

Leftists and cowards continue to remain phobic about being called “Islamophobic,” and so they abandon ship, abdicating their duty to protect their citizens, who elected them to do just that.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/08/police-arrest-900-muslim-migrants-in-england-and-wales-for-sickening-crimesYou're trying to justify a bad act. Trump is not PM of England. The stats he used are misleading, and frankly, it's none of our business.

He's got NK to deal with. He's got a tax plan he threw off on Congress and told them to do their jobs. He's got DACA to deal with upcoming. He's trying to pick apart Obamacare. He's got his wall models deadline this week.

But he's got time to mind the UKs business. He hasn't fixed OUR immigration problem and you've got him worrying about the UKs.

jimnyc

10-20-2017, 07:27 PM

You're trying to justify a bad act. Trump is not PM of England. The stats he used are misleading, and frankly, it's none of our business.

He's got NK to deal with. He's got a tax plan he threw off on Congress and told them to do their jobs. He's got DACA to deal with upcoming. He's trying to pick apart Obamacare. He's got his wall models deadline this week.

But he's got time to mind the UKs business. He hasn't fixed OUR immigration problem and you've got him worrying about the UKs.

No I'm not. I addressed his tweet. Regardless of facts, being that they are an ally, he shouldn't post anything negative, anything that points them in any type of negative light, on this subject or any other, out of pure respect for an ally. He was wrong to address them as a nation regarding any type of criminal statistics, that's not his business.

Outside that, what I stated is not justifying what he stated - just supporting the factual side of any relation to muslims and an increase in crime. But again, addressing that isn't for our leaders to address.

As I addressed elsewhere though, making a tweet isn't limiting his time in getting other things done.

But you did nail the things of importance. All going to be fun things to watch! And I'm sure dumbass will tweet about all of those things as well!! :laugh:

jimnyc

10-20-2017, 07:35 PM

I am wrong.

There HAS been a lot of crime by muslims that have come to the UK and other places over yonder. So I do stand by the criminal element coming in. But "radical islamic terrorism"? I haven't seen that in the places discussed, let alone to have altered the numbers in the increase that they have seen. So he's way wrong in that respect anyway.

But that said, and Trump aside..... The individual regular crimes add up - while it take one or 2 events by a radical muslim to change the complexion of "deaths" in the statistics column. But that's another conversation.

Gunny

10-20-2017, 07:36 PM

No I'm not. I addressed his tweet. Regardless of facts, being that they are an ally, he shouldn't post anything negative, anything that points them in any type of negative light, on this subject or any other, out of pure respect for an ally. He was wrong to address them as a nation regarding any type of criminal statistics, that's not his business.

Outside that, what I stated is not justifying what he stated - just supporting the factual side of any relation to muslims and an increase in crime. But again, addressing that isn't for our leaders to address.

As I addressed elsewhere though, making a tweet isn't limiting his time in getting other things done.

But you did nail the things of importance. All going to be fun things to watch! And I'm sure dumbass will tweet about all of those things as well!! :laugh:Then you didn't address me because I addressed the stupidity of the tweet. It was stupid. You agreed. Whether or not you think his wrong statistics are right is irrelevant. :slap:

LongTermGuy

10-20-2017, 07:40 PM

~"Just out report: "United Kingdom crime rises 13% annually amid spread of Radical Islamic terror." Not good, we must keep America safe!" ~

Good for Donald! ....He calls it as he and millions of American '"pro-Trump" folks see it...through twitter...with his 28 or so million followers....getting the word out....Lets keep America safe....Trump caint count on American "Media".....Most folks LOVE hearing from Donald except the left and the Never Trumpers....Twitter is a weapon against the left and always whining (look...look...see...see)...Never Trumpers......

*DONT STOP DONALD...Your doing good....Let America see what is happening in the United Kingdom......and how the Leftist Judges here in American are trying to make it Possible....for the invading islamic roaches to thrive in America...and bring her down....

Gunny

10-20-2017, 07:44 PM