So, Has The US Declared War?

[Kathianne]

Obviously not, but if NoKo shoots down one of our planes or even attempts to do so, what then?

and sort of related:

http://www.sciencealert.com/here-s-what-could-happen-if-north-korea-sets-off-a-huge-nuclear-explosion-in-the-pacific

[hjmick]

Some days it feels as if the U.S. has declared war on itself...

[Black Diamond]

Some days it feels as if the U.S. has declared war on itself...
Happened under last administration. continued under this one.

[Black Diamond]

Obviously not, but if NoKo shoots down one of our planes or even attempts to do so, what then?

and sort of related:

http://www.sciencealert.com/here-s-what-could-happen-if-north-korea-sets-off-a-huge-nuclear-explosion-in-the-pacific
The 30 year old adolescent is the most dangerous man on earth. fixed it.

[Black Diamond]

Obviously not, but if NoKo shoots down one of our planes or even attempts to do so, what then?

and sort of related:

http://www.sciencealert.com/here-s-what-could-happen-if-north-korea-sets-off-a-huge-nuclear-explosion-in-the-pacific
a rational despot would not attempt to shoot down american planes.


notice I said rational.

[aboutime]

If N.K. decides to try, or does shoot down an American aircraft, or attacks any American territory, or any American ship.

The little fat idiot may not live long enough to tell WHAT HE HEARD, since, as they say..."YOU NEVER HEAR THE BULLET!"
He may be smart, and love to live his desperate ways by starving his people. But, if he's stupid enough to do anything directed at any U.S. Military, or Civilian target.

He may get to see... ONE OF THESE....<img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/MOABAFAM.JPG">

BECOME....<img src="https://i.redd.it/672b4kvyidry.jpg">

[Black Diamond]

If N.K. decides to try, or does shoot down an American aircraft, or attacks any American territory, or any American ship.

The little fat idiot may not live long enough to tell WHAT HE HEARD, since, as they say..."YOU NEVER HEAR THE BULLET!"
He may be smart, and love to live his desperate ways by starving his people. But, if he's stupid enough to do anything directed at any U.S. Military, or Civilian target.

He may get to see... ONE OF THESE....https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/MOABAFAM.JPG

BECOME....https://i.redd.it/672b4kvyidry.jpg
goodfellas

seems to be the case.

I do think Kim's days are numbered. I just don't know how.

[aboutime]

goodfellas

seems to be the case.

I do think Kim's days are numbered. I just don't know how.


I tend to feel as if someone around him in uniform (like the plot to kill Hitler).
His soldiers all have families that must be suffering from a form of famine, and the loss of daily electricity, heat, water, and other things. Why wouldn't a few Generals start a COUP??
http://www.history.com/topics/july-plot
July Plot - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com
www.history.com/topics/july-plot
On July 20, 1944, during World War II (1939-45), a plot by senior-level German military officials to murder Adolf Hitler (1889-1945) and then take control of his ...

[Black Diamond]

I tend to feel as if someone around him in uniform (like the plot to kill Hitler).
His soldiers all have families that must be suffering from a form of famine, and the loss of daily electricity, heat, water, and other things. Why wouldn't a few Generals start a COUP??
http://www.history.com/topics/july-plot
July Plot - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com
www.history.com/topics/july-plot (http://www.history.com/topics/july-plot)
On July 20, 1944, during World War II (1939-45), a plot by senior-level German military officials to murder Adolf Hitler (1889-1945) and then take control of his ...
Let's just hope they don't meet Rommels fate

[pete311]

Two children "sword fighting".

[Black Diamond]

Two children "sword fighting".
You like the thought of that. Are you more turned on by Kim or trump? Or do you want to be in the middle of the sandwich ?

[pete311]

You like the thought of that. Are you more turned on by Kim or trump? Or do you want to be in the middle of the sandwich ?

We have room for a fourth ya know...

[Drummond]

We have room for a fourth ya know...

... Obama ? Or would Clinton be more appropriate, eh, Pete ?

Ol' Bad Haircut Boy (N Korean leader / despot / out-and-out nutter) is begging for war, as has been said. Fact is that if his people shoot down any US plane, it's (a) a clear act of aggression, and (b) counts as an introductory move to all-out war. Enemy action IS enemy action, and it can't be seen any other way.

'BHB' has been creating, then refining, a nuclear aggressiveness capability. He's still pressing ahead with the single aim of being as best capable of hitting the US mainland as possible. This, folks, IS the reality in play. It IS aggressive, and it IS begging for war.

Trump has said and done nothing more than try to deter such aggressiveness, talking in a language that even the likes of BHB can understand. He, as President, has every conceivable right to do anything and everything to defend his people.

An aggressive power has to be countered -- any way possible.

Pete -- do TRY to comprehend that.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Obviously not, but if NoKo shoots down one of our planes or even attempts to do so, what then?

and sort of related:

http://www.sciencealert.com/here-s-what-could-happen-if-north-korea-sets-off-a-huge-nuclear-explosion-in-the-pacific
What then?

He gets his ass blown off.

That inbred, pie faced retard has had his OWN BROTHER killed, and his UNCLE. I also watched the parents of boy NOKO tortured to death what they saw of their son before he died. He's also had countless of his "people" killed and sent off to camps never to be seen again. He's about as cruel and heartless a murderer as this planet has ever seen. If I was young enough and still in the military, I would VOLUNTEER for any combat related duty with NOKO. No one on this planet deserves be KILLED more than UN since HITLER.

[jimnyc]

War wasn't remotely declared.

If they become aggressive and actually shoot down a plane? First try the new fangled stuff I read about, which is to take out electricity/electrical stuff. Then send over the top the bombers they have been bringing into the area just in case.

Not sure if they know where the little scumbag is located. I'm sure a goal would be installations and anti-aircraft and any airports. But I would drop about 50 of those MOABS all in a massive circle around his entire area, take out anything within a monster range.

[Gunny]

T answer Kathianne's question ... It depends. If they try aerial engagement our pilots WILL shoot them down. I don't see that happening. They I really would think NK was nuts.

I also doubt they can shoot one down from the ground. Our avionics are too good, as are our pilots and we should be considering ourselves forwarned.

Gunny Conspiracy theory: I don't like this. It's too easy. Chump boy isn't going to fire on us unless he's got some kind of assurance. What assurance that could be beats me. That regardless, he gets blown off the map? But who stands to gain the most if war is declared between the US and Russia and/or China over wiping out NK? Only one bad guy left sitting on the sidelines to watch us kill each other off for them and that's Iran.

[pete311]

... Obama ? Or would Clinton be more appropriate, eh, Pete ?

Ol' Bad Haircut Boy (N Korean leader / despot / out-and-out nutter) is begging for war, as has been said. Fact is that if his people shoot down any US plane, it's (a) a clear act of aggression, and (b) counts as an introductory move to all-out war. Enemy action IS enemy action, and it can't be seen any other way.

'BHB' has been creating, then refining, a nuclear aggressiveness capability. He's still pressing ahead with the single aim of being as best capable of hitting the US mainland as possible. This, folks, IS the reality in play. It IS aggressive, and it IS begging for war.

Trump has said and done nothing more than try to deter such aggressiveness, talking in a language that even the likes of BHB can understand. He, as President, has every conceivable right to do anything and everything to defend his people.

An aggressive power has to be countered -- any way possible.

Pete -- do TRY to comprehend that.

I think there was a reason you were just the muscle in the military.

[Gunny]

I think there was a reason you were just the muscle in the military.I think there's a reason you weren't in at all.

[aboutime]

Two children "sword fighting".


Why would anyone want to play that way, other than with you? Sword fighting? That's funny, but expected..again. <img src=http://c8.alamy.com/comp/H3PEH0/kendo-kids-fight-asian-boys-sword-fight-H3PEH0.jpg"">

If that's as serious as you obviously think this is. You deserve the first swipe petey.

Here's your HERO in stupidity...
<img src="https://media.toofab.com/2017/05/30/kathy-griffith-trump-head-480x360.jpg">

The Depth of petey's Military Experience.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I think there's a reason you weren't in at all.
I bet I can guess why...

[Kathianne]

North Korea is a threat to the US. I posted a day or two ago about the possibility of their using an EMP on US. Someone today said the US should respond with one of our own, if NK shoots at one of our jets.

However, if the US is hit with an EMP first, there is unlikely to be a response for awhile.

How serious is NK about using one? So far that seems to be the area they are most interested in:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/05/26/is-north-koreas-emp-threat-real-or-something-out-james-bond-movie.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/understanding-north-koreas-emp-threat_us_59ae115de4b0bef3378cdad9

Yesterday:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/09/25/as-north-korea-threatens-emp-attack-questions-over-lapses-in-us-grid-security-rise.html

[High_Plains_Drifter]

However, if the US is hit with an EMP first, there is unlikely to be a response for awhile.
Why would you think that?

[aboutime]

North Korea is a threat to the US. I posted a day or two ago about the possibility of their using an EMP on US. Someone today said the US should respond with one of our own, if NK shoots at one of our jets.

However, if the US is hit with an EMP first, there is unlikely to be a response for awhile.

How serious is NK about using one? So far that seems to be the area they are most interested in:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/05/26/is-north-koreas-emp-threat-real-or-something-out-james-bond-movie.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/understanding-north-koreas-emp-threat_us_59ae115de4b0bef3378cdad9

Yesterday:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/09/25/as-north-korea-threatens-emp-attack-questions-over-lapses-in-us-grid-security-rise.html



Kathianne. In all seriousness here. Think about that. If N.K. tries to use such a weapon...hypothetically. Does anyone honestly believe they wouldn't also be doing the same thing to their own Electronics? EMP weapons know NO Boundaries, they attack the stratosphere just like clouds, and depending upon the strength of the weapon, do not stop at an assigned physical spot on the Earth.
In other words. If N.K. even tries to launch such a weapon, a RECIPROCAL weapon would instantly be on it's way toward them.
Too many Americans have little idea of the Military power, and might we have positioned around the World that can be called upon within minutes.
I'm sure the little FAT Rocket Man is smart enough to know...He wants to become a LIVE Martyr for his people. So SCREWING WITH U.S, and the President would be almost certainly, and END TO HIS MEDICAL RECORD.

Remember former Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld's words?

"You don't know, what you don't know....You don't know" (until its too late)

[Kathianne]

Why would you think that?

Just a guess what the disruption would cause.

[Kathianne]

Kathianne. In all seriousness here. Think about that. If N.K. tries to use such a weapon...hypothetically. Does anyone honestly believe they wouldn't also be doing the same thing to their own Electronics? EMP weapons know NO Boundaries, they attack the stratosphere just like clouds, and depending upon the strength of the weapon, do not stop at an assigned physical spot on the Earth.
In other words. If N.K. even tries to launch such a weapon, a RECIPROCAL weapon would instantly be on it's way toward them.
Too many Americans have little idea of the Military power, and might we have positioned around the World that can be called upon within minutes.
I'm sure the little FAT Rocket Man is smart enough to know...He wants to become a LIVE Martyr for his people. So SCREWING WITH U.S, and the President would be almost certainly, and END TO HIS MEDICAL RECORD.

Remember former Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld's words?

"You don't know, what you don't know....You don't know" (until its too late)

I guess if all the electronics firing missiles and caring for the jets and submarines don't depend on communications from the Pentagon, you are correct. I do not know if they have their own grid replacement capabilities.

[Gunny]

North Korea is a threat to the US. I posted a day or two ago about the possibility of their using an EMP on US. Someone today said the US should respond with one of our own, if NK shoots at one of our jets.

However, if the US is hit with an EMP first, there is unlikely to be a response for awhile.

How serious is NK about using one? So far that seems to be the area they are most interested in:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/05/26/is-north-koreas-emp-threat-real-or-something-out-james-bond-movie.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/understanding-north-koreas-emp-threat_us_59ae115de4b0bef3378cdad9

Yesterday:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/09/25/as-north-korea-threatens-emp-attack-questions-over-lapses-in-us-grid-security-rise.htmlIt would take a lot for NK to strike us first with an EMP. Not saying it can't happen, just that it's highly unlikely'

Bear in mind, an EMP will do nothing to our submarines, nor any ships deployed outside its radius. Ever seen that movie with Hackman and Washington? The premise in the movie is true. At sea, if all comm is lost, the Capt is God. Even Russia or china does not have the capability to shut down the Navy and a lot of the USAF. The EMP would basically have to encompass the entire world, which would shut down their own systems.

The different scenarios are tattooed in commanders' heads. What might take the longest is establishing chain of command.

[aboutime]

I guess if all the electronics firing missiles and caring for the jets and submarines don't depend on communications from the Pentagon, you are correct. I do not know if they have their own grid replacement capabilities.


Right Kathianne, and We're NOT supposed to know for reason. As Trump likes to say, never let them know ahead of time what you plan to do. Unlike Obama, telling the World and our enemies...when he planned to remove troops.

Gotta tell ya. Our military has backups for backups, for backups. And you can feel confident...they even have backups for all of those too!
All of the best, most intelligent minds work around the clock in the Pentagon, away from the politicians who SCREW everything up.

[Kathianne]

It would take a lot for NK to strike us first with an EMP. Not saying it can't happen, just that it's highly unlikely'

Bear in mind, an EMP will do nothing to our submarines, nor any ships deployed outside its radius. Ever seen that movie with Hackman and Washington? The premise in the movie is true. At sea, if all comm is lost, the Capt is God. Even Russia or china does not have the capability to shut down the Navy and a lot of the USAF. The EMP would basically have to encompass the entire world, which would shut down their own systems.

The different scenarios are tattooed in commanders' heads. What might take the longest is establishing chain of command.

As I said, I claim no expertise. I was going on the assumption that without communications, things would more or less slow down or stop. Not the ships or subs, just the decisions regarding retaliation. If you say each captain could decide, I'll take your word for it.

[Gunny]

As I said, I claim no expertise. I was going on the assumption that without communications, things would more or less slow down or stop. Not the ships or subs, just the decisions regarding retaliation. If you say each captain could decide, I'll take your word for it.That is if a ship is completely cut off. They have all contingencies mapped out. Who's left and who's there and who's senior.

In our case, we are scattered on the West Coast from CA all the way across the Pacific. The East Coast is scattered from Norfolk to the Red Sea and at any given point of latitude. He doesn't have the ability to shut down the entire world.

My concern is more that he would strike a soft target within his own sphere that would harm the US as much as striking the US itself. He could target a whole bunch of stuff in the Far East. Problem for him, is it's a onesy-twosy for him and Hell for retaliation. I have no doubt Trump will do what he says and destroy NK in retaliation regardless consequence. THAT is the big concern. Who reacts to it in what manner.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

As I said, I claim no expertise. I was going on the assumption that without communications, things would more or less slow down or stop. Not the ships or subs, just the decisions regarding retaliation. If you say each captain could decide, I'll take your word for it.
Figure this, if we the average guy can make an emp proof container, "farady cage," then think of the cool goodies the military has that we don't know about...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYWhTMmv6bs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThpvvpN64sI