Trump is against those kneeling in the NFL

[jimnyc]

Goodell, the NFL commissioner, states that this is divisive, and shows a lack of respect. Are you shitting me? His first response is about the lack of respect? And nothing about the lack of respect to Old Glory and/or our anthem? This is all an agenda, and some walking on egg shells when responding to the agenda.

It DOES NOT belong in sports. Do it in your own time. Find ways to speak to the masses now that you have millions of dollars. I don't care if these folks have issues that are important to our nation, they want to get their messages across. I get it, and would even tune in if they did so.

But bringing the politics and agenda onto the sidelines, where the cameras will catch them, is wrong in sports. Now, bringing it out onto the field, SO much worse. This is SPORTS people, it's supposed to be FUN, even if the NFL has made it into a monster business. I'm tired of disruptions and changes. It only screws up their message, IMO.

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Trump turns sports into a political battleground with comments on NFL and Steph Curry

President Trump turned professional sports into a political battleground Friday night and into Saturday morning, directing full-throated ire toward African-American athletes who have spoken out against him and prompting a response from the National Football League, its players and the best basketball player in the world.

In a span of roughly 12 hours, as the sports world typically would be gearing up college football and baseball’s pennant races, Trump ensnared and agitated the most powerful sports league in North America and perhaps the most popular athlete in American team sports. His comments set the stage for potential mass protest Sunday along NFL sidelines.

At a political rally Friday, Trump called on NFL owners to release players who demonstrated during the national anthem in the manner of former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick, who knelt to draw attention to police violence against African-Americans. Saturday morning on Twitter, Trump rescinded an White House invitation to Stephen Curry of the NBA champion Golden State Warriors, although it is unclear whether the Warriors had been invited in the first place.

“Going to the White House is considered a great honor for a championship team.Stephen Curry is hesitating,therefore invitation is withdrawn!” Trump tweeted at 7:45 a.m. Saturday.

The tweet came on the heels of comments he made Saturday night in at a Huntsville, Ala. rally for Republican senator Luther Strange, who is running in a special GOP primary election to remain in the seat vacated by Attorney General Jeff Sessions.

“Wouldn’t you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, ‘Get that son of a bitch off the field right now. Out! He’s fired. He’s fired!’” Trump said. “You know, some owner is going to do that. He’s going to say, ‘That guy that disrespects our flag, he’s fired.’ And that owner, they don’t know it they’ll be the most popular person in this country.”

Trump later called for fans to boycott the NFL in the face of player anthem protests after bemoaning rules penalizing dangerous hits.

“But do you know what’s hurting the game more than that?” Trump said. “When people like yourselves turn on television and you see those people taking the knee when they’re playing our great national anthem. The only thing you could do better is if you see it, even if it’s one player, leave the stadium. I guarantee things will stop. Things will stop. Just pick up and leave. Pick up and leave. Not the same game anymore, anyway.”

Kaepernick, despite a clear case his performance and ability warranted at least a chance at a roster spot, remains unsigned. NFL owners collectively donated more than $7 million to Trump’s presidential campaign, and New England Patriots Owner Robert Kraft gave Trump a Super Bowl ring this summer.

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, who has waffled in varied comments regarding Kaepernick’s protest, responded to Trump on Saturday morning.

[B]“Divisive comments like these demonstrate an unfortunate lack of respect for the NFL, our great and all of our players, and a failure to understand the overwhelming force for good our clubs and players represent in our communities,” Goodell said in a statement.

Trump went on to criticize the NFL for rules meant increase player safety.

Rest - https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/trump-sticks-to-sports-with-comments-on-nfl-players-and-owners-and-steph-curry/2017/09/23/50e76dd2-a071-11e7-9083-fbfddf6804c2_story.html?utm_term=.b17c24d8c99b

[Black Diamond]

Goodell also thinks punching a woman in the face and then dragging her unconscious body out of an elevator is worth a one game suspension of while deflating footballs is worth four.

[Black Diamond]

Get that sonofabitch off the field. I love it.

[jimnyc]

Get that sonofabitch off the field. I love it.

I'm sure many will find fault with his words, but I agree with this one. The NFL crap is getting out of hand. Sure, they can handle their own crap, they are a huge organization. But many are getting tired of it. Not because of a black/police issue, but because it shouldn't be in the NFL field of play and sidelines.

Some out there are like Trump, as I am as well - fire the bastard. Tell them ahead of time it won't be tolerated. Keep it off the field.

Every team has control over every player, and the NFL can easily dictate the environment. The NFL, gameday when fans are watching, is not a "free speech zone", and shouldn't be treated as such. This is dividing fans and they should be aware of that. I think they are afraid that any push back against kneeling might be met with "racism" in return. And when I say "they", that refers to both owners and the NFL. Once again, allowing them to dictate the environment. The NFL should tell them as I did, and to do what Ali did, and have summits of some sort, maybe even have the NFL facilitate it - OFF THE FIELD AND NOT GAMEDAY.

[Black Diamond]

Trump will cost the NFL viewership. This is the greatest thing since November 8.

[aboutime]

The President knows, and let all of America know. The crybabies in the NBA, and NFL do not control WE THE PEOPLE merely because they are spoiled, rich kids who have no future IF WE THE PEOPLE IGNORE THEM.

[Gunny]

Trump will cost the NFL viewership. This is the greatest thing since November 8.I'm going to watch it again just so I can stop watching it again :)

[pete311]

Trump really knows how to cool race relations and bring people together doesn't he? Dude just stokes the flames that gives his base boners.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Trump really knows how to cool race relations and bring people together doesn't he? Dude just stokes the flames that gives his base boners.

Really????
And just where the hell was this condemnation when it was your boy obama that set race relations back 50/60 years with his one-sided blame the police/blame whitey crap?? And his instructions to not prosecute the New Black Panther Party on their voter intimidation case when they were on video..
Petey you have blind eyes when its your corrupt bastard engaging in stirring up civil unrest and false claims of racism..
So typical... -Tyr

[aboutime]

One the latest PMSNBC wire: The Rev. Al (notso)Sharpton just announced he is creating a new NFL football team, headquartered in the Harlem section of New York City. His players will come from RIKERS ISLAND, New York City's main jail. And the name of the new team will be The BLM's.

Sharpton further announced that Kaepernick, and his anti-American friends from across the entire NFL can join the new team under the banner of ISIS, and the OBAMA NEW BLACK PANTHER Acorn's from Chicago.

No football stats are required since all of the players will be issued their choice of weapons, such as OOOZIES and TECH NINE's in order to more FAIRLY play against anyone who STANDS for the playing of the National Anthem of the U.S.A.

The team will be fully sponsored by ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, CNN, MSNBC, and the OBAMA OPRAH CHANNELS that preach endless Racist plans to overthrow the US.

[Gunny]

One thing I've been pondering, and this is just the latest crap ... a few of the NBA crybabies ( DID notice half were already retired) said stuff to the effect of "... with all the stuff going on in this country, he's worried about who's taking a knee".

Good point, Kobe. I look around at what is going on in this country and who is doing it. THEN I look around at who is taking a knee and/or supporting it. The big Hmmm... moment. Seems a lot of the names, faces, lifestyles, et al are the same. I see a SERIOUS problem with "what's going on".

Then for Goodell to call Trump divisive and say he doesn't understand pro football, blah, blah - f-ing blah? Seems to me Goodell doesn't understand that Flag, and that anthem are the symbols of what allows spoiled little brats to never grow up and make millions playing a child's game.

[Black Diamond]

Trump really knows how to cool race relations and bring people together doesn't he? Dude just stokes the flames that gives his base boners.
yeah he should have blamed slavery and Jim Crow for all the blacks' antics.

[Black Diamond]

One thing I've been pondering, and this is just the latest crap ... a few of the NBA crybabies ( DID notice half were already retired) said stuff to the effect of "... with all the stuff going on in this country, he's worried about who's taking a knee".

Good point, Kobe. I look around at what is going on in this country and who is doing it. THEN I look around at who is taking a knee and/or supporting it. The big Hmmm... moment. Seems a lot of the names, faces, lifestyles, et al are the same. I see a SERIOUS problem with "what's going on".

Then for Goodell to call Trump divisive and say he doesn't understand pro football, blah, blah - f-ing blah? Seems to me Goodell doesn't understand that Flag, and that anthem are the symbols of what allows spoiled little brats to never grow up and make millions playing a child's game.
shouldn't Kobe be raping a woman in a hotel room somewhere?

[Black Diamond]

I'm sure many will find fault with his words, but I agree with this one. The NFL crap is getting out of hand. Sure, they can handle their own crap, they are a huge organization. But many are getting tired of it. Not because of a black/police issue, but because it shouldn't be in the NFL field of play and sidelines.

Some out there are like Trump, as I am as well - fire the bastard. Tell them ahead of time it won't be tolerated. Keep it off the field.

Every team has control over every player, and the NFL can easily dictate the environment. The NFL, gameday when fans are watching, is not a "free speech zone", and shouldn't be treated as such. This is dividing fans and they should be aware of that. I think they are afraid that any push back against kneeling might be met with "racism" in return. And when I say "they", that refers to both owners and the NFL. Once again, allowing them to dictate the environment. The NFL should tell them as I did, and to do what Ali did, and have summits of some sort, maybe even have the NFL facilitate it - OFF THE FIELD AND NOT GAMEDAY.
It could be argued the President shouldn't say "sonofabitch" :cool:

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Yup, when I saw the clips of president Trump making those comments, all I could think of saying was THANK YOU PRESIDENT TRUMP, for once again saying exactly what I've been thinking, and I guarantee you, I'm not the only one.

This is why he's hung onto his base. He's got the BALLS to SAY what all us poor, lowly, common types also think and says, and the left just HATES that, because they can't stop him, and they can't break the connection.

But like I said in the thread I started, I'm done watching the NFL. When the sons a bitches get their pink socks and gloves off and black power signs on the field and quit the politics driven super bowl half time shows and get their asses UP to show the proper respect for the national anthem and flag, I'll turn them back on... but not until.

And that Goodell prick, he's just a complete leftist jerk off. HE will ruin the NFL, NOT president Trump. THEY started this disrespect America trash, NOT president Trump. All the president did was CALL THEM OUT, and now they're SHITTING themselves because they've all been TRYING to pretend the huge decline in viewership and ticket sales was SOMETHING ELSE... ya... give me a fuckin' break. Now they've been exposed... deal with it.

[pete311]

NFL owners speak out in support of players, against Trump
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/ct-trump-nfl-owners-national-anthem-20170924-story.html

[Black Diamond]

NFL owners speak out in support of players, against Trump
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/ct-trump-nfl-owners-national-anthem-20170924-story.html
Fuck the NFL.

[hjmick]

I am so glad Trump has spoken out about this!

By far there is no more important issue facing our country than a bunch of overpaid children playing professional sports who take their platform and use it as an opportunity to exercise their First Amendment right to express themselves on an issue they feel strongly about.

I am so glad that he is not worried about leading the GOP through the upcoming ACA repeal attempt, his confidence level for its replacement must be very high.

I am so glad he is not worried about lowering our taxes...

I am so glad he is not worried about his wall...

I am so glad he is not worried about the myriad of other issues that we as a nation face.


The NFL players taking a knee is the most egregious threat to America today. No doubt about it, it's yuge, believe me...










Do I like it? No, not even a little bit. But it is their right as Americans and by GOD I will defend their right to do it.

In the end, the NFL will suffer for it, the owners will suffer for it, the teams will suffer for it, the players will suffer for it, the television networks will suffer for it. Then it will end, quietly. And when it does, all will be forgiven and everyone of you bitching about it today will go back to loving the NFL, loving the owners, loving your teams and the players.

[pete311]

To Donald Trump
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I believe in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of this country even though at the time they were drafted, their tenets of life, liberty justice for all and eventual freedom of speech, religion, assembly, press and petition amendment ratified in Dec 1791, only applied to a select group of people and not ones that looked like me. Donald Trump I listened to your Alabama rally rant and could not believe how easily you say what you say. We have become numb to your outlandish acts, tweets and recent retweet of you knocking down Hillary Clinton with a golf ball that you hit. Donald Trump your boorish and disgusting actions are not funny. They actually promote violence against women especially when your followers act out what you say.

I used to walk the grounds of UVA in Charlottesville, VA as a graduate student only to watch in horror as those same grounds became a battlefield being trod by Nazi and anti-Semitic worshippers armed with assault style weapons ready to fight to make America White again. (their words). You actually said there were nice people on both sides. People armed and ready to kill other Americans for the purpose of eradicating Blacks, Jews, Hispanics, Mexicans, Asians, Latinas and even the first real Americans, Native Americans to make America Great Again were “nice people”? Verses what you say in condemnation of an unarmed black man peacefully protesting by exercising his constitutional First Amendment rights by silently taking a knee is appalling, unnerving and reprehensible. You called Colin Kaepernick “a son-of-a-bitch.” And said he should be fired. You are basically calling his white mother a bitch. The strong contrast in language for a black man and a Nazi is very telling. Do you have any sense of decency or shame in what you say to the American people that are part of your duty to serve respectfully with dignity, presidentially?

The National Anthem that we listen too has been edited to try not to offend because when Francis Scott Key penned the song he watched freed slaves fighting for the British and wrote this stanza:

“And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.”

I guess if I were a slave back then I probably would have done anything to obtain freedom from my American oppressors who were whipping, killing, raping, dismembering, hanging or releasing the dogs on people like me all under our Constitution. In 1814 former slaves fought with the British for their freedom from their American enslavers and Key witnessed a battle from a ship off the Maryland shore at Fort McHenry which inspired him to write what became our National Anthem.

I served my country not in the military but as 1 of 362 American Astronauts that have explored the universe to help advance our civilization. Not just Americans but all humans. I also was briefly in the NFL and stood for the National Anthem with my hand over my heart. What makes us great is our differences and respecting that we are all created equally even if not always treated that way. Looking back at our planet from space really helps one get a bigger perspective on how petty and divisive we can be. Donald Trump maybe you should ask your good friend Mr. Putin to give you a ride on a Soyuz rocket to our International Space Station and see what it’s like to work together with people we used to fight against, where your life depends on it. See the world and get a greater sense of what it means to be part of the human race, we call it the Orbital Perspective.

Donald Trump please know that you are supposed to be a unifier and a compassionate and empathetic leader. If you can’t do the job then please step down and let someone else try. I pray that you do the right thing. May God bless you.

Sincerely,
Leland Melvin
Former Astronaut and
NFL Player

[PostmodernProphet]

I'm going to hang bobble-heads in effigy.....

[Black Diamond]

I am so glad Trump has spoken out about this!

By far there is no more important issue facing our country than a bunch of overpaid children playing professional sports who take their platform and use it as an opportunity to exercise their First Amendment right to express themselves on an issue they feel strongly about.

I am so glad that he is not worried about leading the GOP through the upcoming ACA repeal attempt, his confidence level for its replacement must be very high.

I am so glad he is not worried about lowering our taxes...

I am so glad he is not worried about his wall...

I am so glad he is not worried about the myriad of other issues that we as a nation face.


The NFL players taking a knee is the most egregious threat to America today. No doubt about it, it's yuge, believe me...










Do I like it? No, not even a little bit. But it is their right as Americans and by GOD I will defend their right to do it.

In the end, the NFL will suffer for it, the owners will suffer for it, the teams will suffer for it, the players will suffer for it, the television networks will suffer for it. Then it will end, quietly. And when it does, all will be forgiven and everyone of you bitching about it today will go back to loving the NFL, loving the owners, loving your teams and the players.
It only took trump a few minutes out of a day to say those things. I don't understand the idea that trump isn't concerned about the issues you mentioned.


Whats crazy to me about the "right to do it" argument is if you go into work in a "normal" job ad after a meeting concludes you stand up and yell something offensive or if you tweet or go on Facebook, you can be fired. But these NFL players seem to be above that norm.

[pete311]

It only took trump a few minutes out of a day to say those things. I don't understand the idea that trump isn't concerned about the issues you mentioned.


Whats crazy to me about the "right to do it" argument is if you go into work in a "normal" job ad after a meeting concludes you stand up and yell something offensive or if you tweet or go on Facebook, you can be fired. But these NFL players seem to be above that norm.

It's a silent protest. So what are you talking about? You sound like a snowflake.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

It's a silent protest. So what are you talking about? You sound like a snowflake.
Then they should do it on their own time, not while being paid, and being paid by the very people they're offending. They're being paid to entertain people by playing a game, not shove their disrespectful, anti American displays in people's face. If every person across America walked into their place of work and started protesting while on the job, and that protest started costing where you worked financially and in standing, you would be FIRED, PERIOD, END OF STORY.

What about that don't you leftist understand? Why are simple concepts sometimes impossible for you people to grasp? Why do you all have to start in with the bizarre exaggerations and hyperbole?

And once again, you like a fool attempting to use a term coined by conservatives for liberals like yourself. What's the matter, don't you have enough originality to think up your own terms? Too lazy? What is it?

[Gunny]

It's a silent protest. So what are you talking about? You sound like a snowflake. A "silent" protest everyone that watches sports or the news will see. Is that like a "silent" eclipse?

Weak comment.

[Black Diamond]

It's a silent protest. So what are you talking about? You sound like a snowflake.
Speaking of snowflakes have you accepted the fact trump won on November 8 or are you still hanging on to Russian conspiracy theories ?
and what difference does it make if it's silent or not? Someone wears a t shirt saying AIDS kills fags dead are you gonna say the league should be allowed to fire him or will you fight to the death to make sure he keeps his job?

[Gunny]

I am so glad Trump has spoken out about this!

By far there is no more important issue facing our country than a bunch of overpaid children playing professional sports who take their platform and use it as an opportunity to exercise their First Amendment right to express themselves on an issue they feel strongly about.

I am so glad that he is not worried about leading the GOP through the upcoming ACA repeal attempt, his confidence level for its replacement must be very high.

I am so glad he is not worried about lowering our taxes...

I am so glad he is not worried about his wall...

I am so glad he is not worried about the myriad of other issues that we as a nation face.


The NFL players taking a knee is the most egregious threat to America today. No doubt about it, it's yuge, believe me...










Do I like it? No, not even a little bit. But it is their right as Americans and by GOD I will defend their right to do it.

In the end, the NFL will suffer for it, the owners will suffer for it, the teams will suffer for it, the players will suffer for it, the television networks will suffer for it. Then it will end, quietly. And when it does, all will be forgiven and everyone of you bitching about it today will go back to loving the NFL, loving the owners, loving your teams and the players.You have the right to protest. You have the right to be protested in return. When I turn on a football game, I want to watch a football game. Not some bullshit athlete using is media access as a forum to do anything other than play football. And in all fairness, I treat Hollyweirdo's the same. Want to bitch instead of make movies? Fine. MY form of protest which is MY right to do is I won't pay for nor watch your shit.

And I watched some of the NFL last year because I was in the hospital hooked up to about 7 tubes this time last year. Entertainment options were severely limited.

Do I think the President should be weighing in? Probably not except for THEY brought the ball to HIS court. White House dinners are presided over by the President in HIS house. Don't want to go? Far bigger impact if you don't run your mouth in the media and just don't show up. Same goes for Trump in that regard. I'd just have not shwn up to my own dinner.

And bet your ass if any of these "protesters" got on the tube and starting talking shit about the NFLSuch are our priorities.

[pete311]

You have the right to protest. You have the right to be protested in return. When I turn on a football game, I want to watch a football game. Not some bullshit athlete using is media access as a forum to do anything other than play football. And in all fairness, I treat Hollyweirdo's the same. Want to bitch instead of make movies? Fine. MY form of protest which is MY right to do is I won't pay for nor watch your shit.

And I watched some of the NFL last year because I was in the hospital hooked up to about 7 tubes this time last year. Entertainment options were severely limited.

Do I think the President should be weighing in? Probably not except for THEY brought the ball to HIS court. White House dinners are presided over by the President in HIS house. Don't want to go? Far bigger impact if you don't run your mouth in the media and just don't show up. Same goes for Trump in that regard. I'd just have not shwn up to my own dinner.

And bet your ass if any of these "protesters" got on the tube and starting talking shit about the NFLSuch are our priorities.

Great, then don't watch. You'll be one for maybe 3 others. The stadiums will still be full and stations still watched on TV. Your boycott has no power. Enjoy watching your grass grow.

[Black Diamond]

Great, then don't watch. You'll be one for maybe 3 others. The stadiums will still be full and stations still watched on TV. Your boycott has no power. Enjoy watching your grass grow.
If they lose 20 percent of their viewership it will cost the league a lot of money.

[Kathianne]

I am so glad Trump has spoken out about this!

By far there is no more important issue facing our country than a bunch of overpaid children playing professional sports who take their platform and use it as an opportunity to exercise their First Amendment right to express themselves on an issue they feel strongly about.

I am so glad that he is not worried about leading the GOP through the upcoming ACA repeal attempt, his confidence level for its replacement must be very high.

I am so glad he is not worried about lowering our taxes...

I am so glad he is not worried about his wall...

I am so glad he is not worried about the myriad of other issues that we as a nation face.


The NFL players taking a knee is the most egregious threat to America today. No doubt about it, it's yuge, believe me...










Do I like it? No, not even a little bit. But it is their right as Americans and by GOD I will defend their right to do it.

In the end, the NFL will suffer for it, the owners will suffer for it, the teams will suffer for it, the players will suffer for it, the television networks will suffer for it. Then it will end, quietly. And when it does, all will be forgiven and everyone of you bitching about it today will go back to loving the NFL, loving the owners, loving your teams and the players.

Yeah, I hear you. I do think he's 'concerned' about those other issues, but this has caught his fancy and plays well to those that like 'the outsider and tough guy' parts of him.

I totally agree that people certainly have the right to not support the NFL through tickets, buying their products, and not watching on TV. The players have the right to not stand for the anthem, the owners the right to back them or punish them. What they are doing is legal, the owners could fine, fire, or otherwise penalize them-but not the government.

Trump could have used the comparison with Media Matters and what they've done regarding boycotts of FOX and others. Instead it sounded a lot like he was trying to threaten, which is likely just how he wanted to sound. Legally, not a leg to stand on.

[pete311]

If they lose 20 percent of their viewership it will cost the league a lot of money.

20%? dream on! you're lucky to get 1%

[High_Plains_Drifter]

NFL - No Fans Left

[pete311]

NFL - No Fans Left

Watching the packer game, full stadium

[High_Plains_Drifter]

20%? dream on! you're lucky to get 1%
What PLANET are you LIVING ON?

And this is BEFORE the ratings from TODAY come out...

The NFL has a ratings problem. Monday Night Football is down 24% from last year at this time, Sunday Night Football is down 19% and Thursday night is down 18%. We asked readers of The MMQB to share their theories and explanations behind the double-digit losses for prime-time games and the general sense that the league is losing viewers.

https://www.si.com/mmqb/2016/10/27/nfl-ratings-decline-football-fans-explain-viewership

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Watching the packer game, full stadium
I live in WI, and I know that the Packers are the ONLY team that is OWNED by the FANS, so they have quite arguably the most loyal fans of any team in the NFL. Green Bay is called "Title Town," and the superbowl trophy is named after the first Green Bay Packers head coach. But I guarantee you, that if Packers start taking a knee, you'll see some FANS/OWNERS demand they STAND for the anthem, or you'll start seeing LIFE TIME TICKET HOLDERS selling off tickets as well as share holders dumping their shares.

[pete311]

I live in WI, and I know that the Packers are the ONLY team that is OWNED by the FANS, so they have quite arguably the most loyal fans of any team in the NFL. Green Bay is called "Title Town," and the superbowl trophy is named after the first Green Bay Packers head coach. But I guarantee you, that if Packers start taking a knee, you'll see some FANS/OWNERS demand they STAND for the anthem, or you'll start seeing LIFE TIME TICKET HOLDERS selling off tickets as well as share holders dumping their shares.

3 Packers sat. No one cares. I've live in WI too.

[hjmick]

It only took trump a few minutes out of a day to say those things. I don't understand the idea that trump isn't concerned about the issues you mentioned.


Whats crazy to me about the "right to do it" argument is if you go into work in a "normal" job ad after a meeting concludes you stand up and yell something offensive or if you tweet or go on Facebook, you can be fired. But these NFL players seem to be above that norm.



What is offensive about them taking a knee? They're silently protesting, some of them even place their hand over their heart while doing so. They're not yelling, they're not shouting expletives, they're not doing anything but silently kneeling. I fail to see any offensive behavior.

[Black Diamond]

What is offensive about them taking a knee? They're silently protesting, some of them even place their hand over their heart while doing so. They're not yelling, they're not shouting expletives, they're not doing anything but silently kneeling. I fail to see any offensive behavior.
"Let's stand and honor America". And they don't. And I remember hearing colon's reasoning. There was nothing honorable in his explanation. Colon and lynch didn't put their hands on their hearts. I don't know about all 100 players who sat. today as I didn't watch.

Abortion is a much bigger tragedy than a small percentage of cops who pick on blacks because they are black. Should I wipe my ass with the American flag until roe is overturned?

I understand it's everyone's right to demonstrate and say what they want. It's the owners' choice, as trump indicated, whether it's allowed on the football field before games. I don't get the argument of "It's their constitutional right". As if no one knew that. If that guaranteed people couldn't lose their jobs over what they said, Paula Deen wouldn't have been fired. Neither would the clippers owner have been forced to sell the clippers. People have to be careful what they say on Twitter and Facebook because employers look at that. And people have been fired for it.
The explanation is always simple. So and so's behavior doesn't represent what our organization stands for and he or she is no longer a part of XYZ company. If you're willing to fight to the death for people's right to say what they want and keep their jobs......

that may be a losing battle.

[Black Diamond]

3 Packers sat. No one cares. I've live in WI too.
You're full of shit. Right or wrong people across the country are pissed as hell. Players are being booed in left wing cities.

[aboutime]

Simply put. Why not play the anthem, and display the FLAG.....BEFORE the players come out on the field?

Let the fans stand, salute, hold their hand over their heart, and sing or listen...BEFORE any players come out of the Locker rooms????

Wouldn't that solve the problem for the NBA, NFL, and BASEBALL LEAGUES???

[Black Diamond]

Simply put. Why not play the anthem, and display the FLAG.....BEFORE the players come out on the field?

Let the fans stand, salute, hold their hand over their heart, and sing or listen...BEFORE any players come out of the Locker rooms????

Wouldn't that solve the problem for the NBA, NFL, and BASEBALL LEAGUES???

Could. But for me the damage has been done.

[Gunny]

Simply put. Why not play the anthem, and display the FLAG.....BEFORE the players come out on the field?

Let the fans stand, salute, hold their hand over their heart, and sing or listen...BEFORE any players come out of the Locker rooms????

Wouldn't that solve the problem for the NBA, NFL, and BASEBALL LEAGUES???

One up ... Why play the National Anthem at all? Is there a point to doing so? I bet nobody even knows why they do it to begin with. The NBA does it because the NFL does it because MLB does it? I would say most people are probably ambivalent to it at best. Hell, the current crop of up-n-comers in the generation pool probably can't even comprehend English well enough to understand the words and meaning anyway. They consider getting through the alphabet a monumental achievement and STILL probably wonder what it means.

[Abbey Marie]

What is offensive about them taking a knee? They're silently protesting, some of them even place their hand over their heart while doing so. They're not yelling, they're not shouting expletives, they're not doing anything but silently kneeling. I fail to see any offensive behavior.

I'm perplexed that you see nothing offensive in pointedly refusing to pay respect to our flag- that so many died for. I truly am starting to feel that I don't belong in this upside-down world.

[Abbey Marie]

Will we see hockey players kneeling on the ice?
Olympic medalists refusing to stand on the platform?

[aboutime]

Will we see hockey players kneeling on the ice?
Olympic medalists refusing to stand on the platform?


At the rate things are going Abbey. I suspect it won't be long for that stuff too!

Everything, anyone finds insulting, offensive, abusive, or against their poor little feelings that are hurt..eventually....according to Political Correctness...will come under the scrutiny of the whiners, crybabies, snowflakes, racist denial gang, young liberals, old liberals, democrats...and on, and on, and on.

Obama and company managed to destroy the principles of Real Respect for Others.

[Black Diamond]

Will we see hockey players kneeling on the ice?
Olympic medalists refusing to stand on the platform?
It would certainly go along with George soros dream/goals.

[Gunny]

I'm perplexed that you see nothing offensive in pointedly refusing to pay respect to our flag- that so many died for. I truly am starting to feel that I don't belong in this upside-down world.
He's just got a different opinion. He also has a point from a certain POV. Under most circumstances, I'm like who cares? Let fools be fools. And he's right in that this shouldn't be an issue. The President really shouldn't be using his position to weigh in on the matter anymore than any of these players. They have and he did, so...


It IS an issue. The culprit here more than anyone is the media. They've managed to turn one idiot's disrespect into a national debate. People who otherwise wouldn't care feel pushed into taking a side. Lost in it all is criminals should be punished, and we wouldn't need laws or the police if everyone would just behave and respect one another. And I don't get the circle of dumbness. The left needs laws and the police, not the right. Yet it is the left protesting them. BLM sure ain't no rightwing group.

I mean what do they want besides a rule saying "no arresting black criminals"? Then along comes fruitloop Kaepernick and the MSM.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

It would certainly go along with George soros dream/goals.

SOROS AND HIS ILK ARE BEHIND A LOT OF THIS RANCOR, CHAOS, PROTESTING CAMPAIGNS.
AS IT PLAYS A PART IN WEAKENING THIS NATION--THEIR MAIN GOAL..
Globalist goal.... --Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

He's just got a different opinion. He also has a point from a certain POV. Under most circumstances, I'm like who cares? Let fools be fools. And he's right in that this shouldn't be an issue. The President really shouldn't be using his position to weigh in on the matter anymore than any of these players. They have and he did, so...


It IS an issue. The culprit here more than anyone is the media. They've managed to turn one idiot's disrespect into a national debate. People who otherwise wouldn't care feel pushed into taking a side. Lost in it all is criminals should be punished, and we wouldn't need laws or the police if everyone would just behave and respect one another. And I don't get the circle of dumbness. The left needs laws and the police, not the right. Yet it is the left protesting them. BLM sure ain't no rightwing group.

I mean what do they want besides a rule saying "no arresting black criminals"? Then along comes fruitloop Kaepernick and the MSM.


If I pay my money to go to a concert or a game I do not want to be fed some singer or playér's social/political views.
They can do that on their own damn time and away from the event I paid to attend..
Then we have some saying they are not dishonoring the flag, our military, or the millions that have sacrificed, bled and died to give/maintain the freedoms they now enjoy.. That false defense sickens me...
Is it too much to ask these multi-million dollar assholes to pay respect and show appreciation for the freedoms they now enjoy?

Trust me on this, there is not a damn one of them doing this that I would not spit in his damn face and cry for him to take a swing at me..
FFKK THEM.... -Tyr

[pete311]

I'm perplexed that you see nothing offensive in pointedly refusing to pay respect to our flag- that so many died for. I truly am starting to feel that I don't belong in this upside-down world.

It's not about the flag/anthem, it's about equality. You are perplexed because you lack their perspective.

[Black Diamond]

It's not about the flag/anthem, it's about equality. You are perplexed because you lack their perspective.
Don't like it here? Africa is that way (points). See how much money they make working for warlords of Somalia.

And it certainly was about the flag for colon CrappyNick. Other players are simply following his lead.

[Gunny]

If I pay my money to go to a concert or a game I do not want to be fed some singer or playér's social/political views.
They can do that on their own damn time and away from the event I paid to attend..
Then we have some saying they are not dishonoring the flag, our military, or the millions that have sacrificed, bled and died to give/maintain the freedoms they now enjoy.. That false defense sickens me...
Is it too much to ask these multi-million dollar assholes to pay respect and show appreciation for the freedoms they now enjoy?

Trust me on this, there is not a damn one of them doing this that I would not spit in his damn face and cry for him to take a swing at me..
FFKK THEM.... -TyrI'm not disagreeing with you. Have said the same many times. At the same time, I can see Mick's point about Trump. He's the President of the US, not the NFL.

[Black Diamond]

SOROS AND HIS ILK ARE BEHIND A LOT OF THIS RANCOR, CHAOS, PROTESTING CAMPAIGNS.
AS IT PLAYS A PART IN WEAKENING THIS NATION--THEIR MAIN GOAL..
Globalist goal.... --Tyr
I know a pastor who has called this conflict "clash of the billionaires". (Trump vs Soros)

[Black Diamond]

I'm not disagreeing with you. Have said the same many times. At the same time, I can see Mick's point about Trump. He's the President of the US, not the NFL.
Is it at all the president's job to try and affect culture?

[Bilgerat]

All I know for sure is

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[High_Plains_Drifter]

One up ... Why play the National Anthem at all? Is there a point to doing so? I bet nobody even knows why they do it to begin with. The NBA does it because the NFL does it because MLB does it? I would say most people are probably ambivalent to it at best. Hell, the current crop of up-n-comers in the generation pool probably can't even comprehend English well enough to understand the words and meaning anyway. They consider getting through the alphabet a monumental achievement and STILL probably wonder what it means.
So our national anthem and flag is the problem and not the disrespectful garbage spitting on it?

[High_Plains_Drifter]

It's not about the flag/anthem, it's about equality. You are perplexed because you lack their perspective.
If it's not about our flag or national anthem, then why are these ass clowns spitting on them?

You leftist talk some seriously warped garbage in defense of this anti American trash, as well as can be expected I suppose, after all you are attempting to defend the indefensible. Once again you leftists are on the wrong side. ANYTHING un-American, and you liberals are all for it, without fail, happens every time.

[aboutime]

It's not about the flag/anthem, it's about equality. You are perplexed because you lack their perspective.



Petey. Again...you prove our point about you. "About equality?" Whose? Every one of those players who took a knee MAKE MORE THAN MOST OF THE PEOPLE in their home neighborhoods combined. Is that EQUALITY when a millionaire game player live in a mansion, when his neighbors have trouble keeping up with their rent????

[pete311]

If it's not about our flag or national anthem, then why are these ass clowns spitting on them?

You leftist talk some seriously warped garbage in defense of this anti American trash, as well as can be expected I suppose, after all you are attempting to defend the indefensible. Once again you leftists are on the wrong side. ANYTHING un-American, and you liberals are all for it, without fail, happens every time.

Because if they silently protested on their front lawns after the game do you think we'd be talking about it? Anti-american? I assume you fought for the freedom of expression. Until there are NFL rules in place, they are being just as American as you are. Funny how conservatives talk about freedom and liberty and all you do is tell people what they can't do.

[pete311]

Petey. Again...you prove our point about you. "About equality?" Whose? Every one of those players who took a knee MAKE MORE THAN MOST OF THE PEOPLE in their home neighborhoods combined. Is that EQUALITY when a millionaire game player live in a mansion, when his neighbors have trouble keeping up with their rent????

Are you under the impression the black athletes are protesting for financial equality?

[aboutime]

Are you under the impression the black athletes are protesting for financial equality?


Are you? Did you ask them WHAT KIND OF EQUALITY they are demanding?

All I want is AMERICANS who are AMERICANS to honor, respect, and BE Americans.

Rich athletes are supposed to play their sports...not become spokesmen for what they hate, or pretend to be demonstrating about. If they want to make a statement...ON THE FIELD ON SUNDAY is not what the TICKETS are sold for in this nation.

[Abbey Marie]

It's not about the flag/anthem, it's about equality. You are perplexed because you lack their perspective.


And you don't understand that there are some things that Are. Just. Wrong.
I suppose you are also okay with the way your folks treated our returning Viet Nam soldiers?
I mean, after all, it's just a different perspective, right? Or Kathy D-list Griffin holding up a replica of a decapitated President? Just her perspective. In fact, by that measure, even Stalin and Hitler just had a different perspective.

My soul hurts for the ever-dwindling level of integrity and respect we are seeing everywhere. Not to mention the abyss of moral relativism.

[pete311]

Are you? Did you ask them WHAT KIND OF EQUALITY they are demanding?


No because they talk about it themselves. Obviously it's about social equality.

[pete311]

And you don't understand that there are some things that Are. Just. Wrong.
I suppose you are also okay with the way your folks treated our returning Viet Nam soldiers?
I mean, after all, it's just a different perspective, right? Or Kathy D-list Griffin holding up a replica of a decapitated President? Just her perspective. In fact, by that measure, even Stalin and Hitler just had a different perspective.

My soul hurts for the ever-dwindling level of integrity and respect we are seeing everywhere. Not to mention the abyss of moral relativism.

Yet you spare no room in your soul for the social injustice of minorities.

[hjmick]

Because if they silently protested on their front lawns after the game do you think we'd be talking about it? Anti-american? I assume you fought for the freedom of expression. Until there are NFL rules in place, they are being just as American as you are. Funny how conservatives talk about freedom and liberty and all you do is tell people what they can't do.


There is a rule...

In the NFL's Game Operations Manual it states:

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.


Now, this is NOT the rule book that governs game play, this is the book that governs game operations. Two different animals, apparently, and the Operations Manual is not available to the public.

The Washington Post queried the NFL about the rule and reported:

Under the league rule, the failure to be on the field for the anthem may result in discipline such as a fine, suspension or loss of a draft pick. But a league official said the key phrase is “may” result, adding he won’t speculate on whether the Steelers would be disciplined.

The specific rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual, according to a league source.


Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rules in Letting Players Protest Anthem (https://news.grabien.com/story-roger-goodell-ignoring-leagues-own-rule-book-letting-players)

[Abbey Marie]

I'm not disagreeing with you. Have said the same many times. At the same time, I can see Mick's point about Trump. He's the President of the US, not the NFL.


It wasn't his point about Trump that I took issue with. It was his statement that he found "nothing offensive" with what the athletes are doing. I have a father and a brother who served (Viet Nam), and until my hip recently made me quit, I was a USO volunteer. I guess you can say I'm a supporter of our military and the country they are always ready defend.

Yes, I know it is his opinion. And he is welcome to it. And my opinion is that it leaves me feeling pretty badly.

[Black Diamond]

There is a rule...

In the NFL's Game Operations Manual it states:

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.


Now, this is NOT the rule book that governs game play, this is the book that governs game operations. Two different animals, apparently, and the Operations Manual is not available to the public.

The Washington Post queried the NFL about the rule and reported:

Under the league rule, the failure to be on the field for the anthem may result in discipline such as a fine, suspension or loss of a draft pick. But a league official said the key phrase is “may” result, adding he won’t speculate on whether the Steelers would be disciplined.

The specific rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual, according to a league source.


Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rules in Letting Players Protest Anthem (https://news.grabien.com/story-roger-goodell-ignoring-leagues-own-rule-book-letting-players)
So Goodell is a piece of shit. One more example.

[hjmick]

Are you under the impression the black athletes are protesting for financial equality?


At this point, I'd be willing to bet that most people have forgotten why Colin Kaepernick started doing it last season. I'd also be willing to bet that most of the protests we saw yesterday had much more to do with what Trump said rather than any social injustices.

[hjmick]

So Goodell is a piece of shit. One more example.

Yeah, but we all already knew that. Figured that out years ago...

[pete311]

At this point, I'd be willing to bet that most people have forgotten why Colin Kaepernick started doing it last season. I'd also be willing to bet that most of the protests we saw yesterday had much more to do with what Trump said rather than any social injustices.

Yes, which is why it's all a distraction. It pretty much died down and then Trump blew things up again and athletes got pissed off. Tonight should be interesting.

[pete311]

So Goodell is a piece of shit. One more example.

Yes, but in the end does it matter. Are you pissed over the rules being broken or pissed over the principle of it?

[Black Diamond]

At this point, I'd be willing to bet that most people have forgotten why Colin Kaepernick started doing it last season. I'd also be willing to bet that most of the protests we saw yesterday had much more to do with what Trump said rather than any social injustices.
so it has moved on from wiping your ass with the flag because of the way a few blacks are treated by cops to wiping your ass with the flag because Trump is President and/or said you should be fired.

[Black Diamond]

Yes, but in the end does it matter. Are you pissed over the rules being broken or pissed over the principle of it?
it will matter in viewership and money. Goodell could enforce a rule that should be enforced but won't. But he's a piece of shit and always has been and no one should be surprised.

[pete311]

it will matter in viewership and money. Goodell could enforce a rule that should be enforced but won't. But he's a piece of shit and always has been and no one should be surprised.

I have to assume he's more worried of a player strike than any loss of viewership.

[Abbey Marie]

Yet you spare no room in your soul for the social injustice of minorities.


You know nothing about me, so save your crystal ball theories.

I grew up in the projects in the Bronx, in what you would now call Section 8 housing. We had to be and were poor enough to qualify to live there. I educated myself out of that life. Including working my way through college and law school. My parents paid for exactly none of it.

If anyone fails to do what I did, or similar, it is not because of their race. There are umpteen opportunities for everyone, but you must do your part.

[pete311]

so it has moved on from wiping your ass with the flag because of the way a few blacks are treated by cops to wiping your ass with the flag because Trump is President and/or said you should be fired.

Ignoring the beginning of your statement, does a blacksmith that stokes a fire not have some responsibility for the size of that fire?

[pete311]

You know nothing about me, so save your crystal ball theories.

I grew up in the projects in the Bronx, in what you would now call Section 8 housing. We had to be and were poor enough to qualify to live there. I educated myself out of that life. Including working my way through college and law school. My parents paid for exactly none of it.

If anyone fails to do what I did, or similar, it is not because of their race. There are umpteen opportunities for everyone, but you must do your part.

Good for you, I mean that, but you are wrong in the end and there are countless studies to prove it. Race still matters.

[hjmick]

One up ... Why play the National Anthem at all? Is there a point to doing so? I bet nobody even knows why they do it to begin with. The NBA does it because the NFL does it because MLB does it? I would say most people are probably ambivalent to it at best. Hell, the current crop of up-n-comers in the generation pool probably can't even comprehend English well enough to understand the words and meaning anyway. They consider getting through the alphabet a monumental achievement and STILL probably wonder what it means.


Up until WWII it was rare, very rare, for the National Anthem to be played before any game. Why? Because they would have to hire a band to play it and that was cost prohibitive. The playing of the National Anthem was reserved for special occasions like opening day and holidays. While PA systems made their first appearance in the early 1900's, the didn't really come into their own until the 1903s & 40s. Until the start of WWII, the practice of playing the National anthem was still as it had always been, reserved for special occasions. It became common practice when the war started to keep up the moral of the country and probably to hel sell war bonds,


I researched this subject last year when Kaepernick started his schtick.

[Black Diamond]

Up until WWII it was rare, very rare, for the National Anthem to be played before any game. Why? Because they would have to hire a band to play it and that was cost prohibitive. The playing of the National Anthem was reserved for special occasions like opening day and holidays. While PA systems made their first appearance in the early 1900's, the didn't really come into their own until the 1903s & 40s. Until the start of WWII, the practice of playing the National anthem was still as it had always been, reserved for special occasions. It became common practice when the war started to keep up the moral of the country and probably to hel sell war bonds,


I researched this subject last year when Kaepernick started his schtick.
thanks for the history lesson. sounds about right.

[hjmick]

I'm perplexed that you see nothing offensive in pointedly refusing to pay respect to our flag- that so many died for. I truly am starting to feel that I don't belong in this upside-down world.


I'm sorry you're perplexed.

Perhaps this will help...


I don't agree with what they are doing. I believe that, ultimately the players, the owners, and the NFL as a whole will pay a price (of course I believe the price they pay will be short lived, much like it is when the league goes on strike). They seem to forget that their fans are comprised of people from all over the political map.


I am not offended because, more than I respect our flag, and much more than I appreciate our national anthem, I value the First Amendment.

[Black Diamond]

I'm sorry you're perplexed.

Perhaps this will help...


I don't agree with what they are doing. I believe that, ultimately the players, the owners, and the NFL as a whole will pay a price (of course I believe the price they pay will be short lived, much like it is when the league goes on strike). They seem to forget that their fans are comprised of people from all over the political map.


I am not offended because, more than I respect our flag, and much more than I appreciate our national anthem, I value the First Amendment.
so no one should ever be fired for what they say? I don't think that is a first amendment issue. you are legally allowed to say whatever you want 98 percent of the time. but you aren't guaranteed your job for the privilege.

[Kathianne]

I'm sorry you're perplexed.

Perhaps this will help...


I don't agree with what they are doing. I believe that, ultimately the players, the owners, and the NFL as a whole will pay a price (of course I believe the price they pay will be short lived, much like it is when the league goes on strike). They seem to forget that their fans are comprised of people from all over the political map.


I am not offended because, more than I respect our flag, and much more than I appreciate our national anthem, I value the First Amendment.

I agree. I absolutely despise those that burn the American flag. As long as they own it and are doing so on their own or public property, (though the later may have provisions against starting fire), they have the right to do so.

Same here with the anthem. I think they are very wrong in this form of 'protest,' though I think this weekend was more about Trump than it was anything else.

Yes, the owner(s) could fire or otherwise discipline the members that do this, but firing is unlikely. Considering things like the 9/11 shoes though and the fines, this seems along those lines.

[hjmick]

so no one should ever be fired for what they say? I don't think that is a first amendment issue. you are legally allowed to say whatever you want 98 percent of the time. but you aren't guaranteed your job for the privilege.

I'm fairly certain that I would not loose my job should I choose to take a knee in the office should they start playing the national anthem...

Look, there are plenty of examples of players getting in trouble and being fined and being forced to sit out a game for shit that came out of their mouth and things they did. I'm sure if we looked hard enough we'd find a few who were traded or dropped for the same. What we're talking about here is a silent and overall harmless protest. It's their right.

I don't like that they choose the national anthem as the time to do it, I think it's disrespectful. Why not the news conference after the game? State your case, refuse to talk to the press, something... (Heh, Goodell would probably fine them for that)

You and others find it offensive, I get it, that's your right. It's also your right to protest their protests. I'd recommend doing so with your wallet, they'll feel that eventually.

I'm really not trying to piss anybody off here. I just think that, perhaps, this whole thing is getting blown out of proportion. In the big scheme of things, how important is their protesting really?

[Black Diamond]

sara Huckabee sanders is kicking the hell out of the media on this and other issues.

[hjmick]

As I said, ultimately there will be a price to be paid...


Phil Long Ford in Denver pulled their ads featuring Von Miller from all local television stations. The dealership issued a statement (emphasis mine):

We are evaluating the events of the weekend. It is important to state that we haven’t fired Von. We are in the middle of contract renewal and this weekend’s events remind us that sometimes we feel that we best represent ourselves. We support Von and his first amendment rights, we know Von and he’s a good person. He donated a police car to his hometown police dept. All that notwithstanding when we bring in celebrities to represent us we run the risk of being misrepresented.

We, like millions of Americans are concerned and will respond consistently with our values as a proud American company founded by a war hero (Phil Long). While we can’t control the actions of others we can be responsible for how we support our nation and community. That is why, years ago, our principal owner, Jay Cimino, founded the Mount Carmel Veteran’s Service center, and is supported by all Phil Long Dealerships. We support this cause not just with our words, but financially as well, and it is serving hundreds of veterans in need right here in Colorado. This would be a great time for our community to show support for our military community by supporting this cause or others that continue to serve them after they serve us.

Von Miller Ads Being Pulled After Anthem Protest (http://denver.cbslocal.com/2017/09/25/broncos-von-miller-loses-sponsorship/)


And there it is, a company not sure their business will see any return by having Von Miller, who participates in the protests, represent them. Now, I'm sure that what they pay him is but a drop in the bucket compared to his NFL salary, but don't think it doesn't sting just a little bit... at the very least his pride, his ego will take a hit.

[Black Diamond]

I'm fairly certain that I would not loose my job should I choose to take a knee in the office should they start playing the national anthem...

Look, there are plenty of examples of players getting in trouble and being fined and being forced to sit out a game for shit that came out of their mouth and things they did. I'm sure if we looked hard enough we'd find a few who were traded or dropped for the same. What we're talking about here is a silent and overall harmless protest. It's their right.

I don't like that they choose the national anthem as the time to do it, I think it's disrespectful. Why not the news conference after the game? State your case, refuse to talk to the press, something... (Heh, Goodell would probably fine them for that)

You and others find it offensive, I get it, that's your right. It's also your right to protest their protests. I'd recommend doing so with your wallet, they'll feel that eventually.

I'm really not trying to piss anybody off here. I just think that, perhaps, this whole thing is getting blown out of proportion. In the big scheme of things, how important is their protesting really?
the bolded is in the eye of the beholder. Check out your company's "hostile work environment" policy or ask your HR department. You would be very surprised. (I know I was) An "innocent" joke or a swear word... ? "ass chewing"?

as i said, first amendment doesn't protect your job.

[Black Diamond]

As I said, ultimately there will be a price to be paid...


Phil Long Ford in Denver pulled their ads featuring Von Miller from all local television stations. The dealership issued a statement (emphasis mine):

We are evaluating the events of the weekend. It is important to state that we haven’t fired Von. We are in the middle of contract renewal and this weekend’s events remind us that sometimes we feel that we best represent ourselves. We support Von and his first amendment rights, we know Von and he’s a good person. He donated a police car to his hometown police dept. All that notwithstanding when we bring in celebrities to represent us we run the risk of being misrepresented.

We, like millions of Americans are concerned and will respond consistently with our values as a proud American company founded by a war hero (Phil Long). While we can’t control the actions of others we can be responsible for how we support our nation and community. That is why, years ago, our principal owner, Jay Cimino, founded the Mount Carmel Veteran’s Service center, and is supported by all Phil Long Dealerships. We support this cause not just with our words, but financially as well, and it is serving hundreds of veterans in need right here in Colorado. This would be a great time for our community to show support for our military community by supporting this cause or others that continue to serve them after they serve us.

Von Miller Ads Being Pulled After Anthem Protest (http://denver.cbslocal.com/2017/09/25/broncos-von-miller-loses-sponsorship/)


And there it is, a company not sure their business will see any return by having Von Miller, who participates in the protests, represent them. Now, I'm sure that what they pay him is but a drop in the bucket compared to his NFL salary, but don't think it doesn't sting just a little bit... at the very least his pride, his ego will take a hit.
I think miller has been doing this for over a year? the protesting? and it makes sense they pulled him. 25 percent of the country (at least) will get behind the President.

[aboutime]

No because they talk about it themselves. Obviously it's about social equality.


Really? So tell us petey. How much SOCIAL EQUALITY does a millionaire football player have with people who sell drugs, and kill each other on the streets where the CHICAGO BEARS call home?

[Black Diamond]

Really? So tell us petey. How much SOCIAL EQUALITY does a millionaire football player have with people who sell drugs, and kill each other on the streets where the CHICAGO BEARS call home?
I think that is the city where the mayor was placed in power by Obama. HMMMM>

[aboutime]

http://time.com/4955704/nfl-league-rulebook-a62-63-national-anthem-rule/
The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.
During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.
It's important to note the use of the word "may" here. The NFL is not considering punishing fines on players or teams who choose to kneel or stay in the locker room during the national anthem, the spokesperson says.— Sean Gregory contributed to this report.

[Black Diamond]

http://time.com/4955704/nfl-league-rulebook-a62-63-national-anthem-rule/
The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.
During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.
It's important to note the use of the word "may" here. The NFL is not considering punishing fines on players or teams who choose to kneel or stay in the locker room during the national anthem, the spokesperson says.— Sean Gregory contributed to this report.
yeah, unfortunately, we are ahead of ya on this one. we have established that Goodell is a pole smoking piece of shit who enforces rules when he likes.

[pete311]

Really? So tell us petey. How much SOCIAL EQUALITY does a millionaire football player have with people who sell drugs, and kill each other on the streets where the CHICAGO BEARS call home?

I think that is obvious if you take a second to think about it. In any case, the racial inequality expands beyond inner city life. My middle class neighbor who is black got his ass kicked by the police in his front yard because someone called the cops thinking he broke into his own house. You wanna bet that doesn't happen to me?

[aboutime]

I think that is obvious if you take a second to think about it. In any case, the racial inequality expands beyond inner city life. My middle class neighbor who is black got his ass kicked by the police in his front yard because someone called the cops thinking he broke into his own house. You wanna bet that doesn't happen to me?

Another NON ANSWER. And as far as it happening to you. Maybe you need a good ass kickin' to see how much of a real twerp you really are here.

[Black Diamond]

http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/25/flashback-nfl-banned-the-cowboys-from-wearing-decal-that-supported-police/?utm_campaign=thedcmainpage&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social

[pete311]

Another NON ANSWER. And as far as it happening to you. Maybe you need a good ass kickin' to see how much of a real twerp you really are here.

Come at me bro

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Because if they silently protested on their front lawns after the game do you think we'd be talking about it? Anti-american? I assume you fought for the freedom of expression. Until there are NFL rules in place, they are being just as American as you are. Funny how conservatives talk about freedom and liberty and all you do is tell people what they can't do.
I'm really sorry, and I don't mean this an insult, but your comments are just too ignorant to keep responding to. They are vapid, warped, and completely outside anything reasonable.

If it wasn't for hyperbole, you wouldn't have anything to say.

[Abbey Marie]

http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/25/flashback-nfl-banned-the-cowboys-from-wearing-decal-that-supported-police/?utm_campaign=thedcmainpage&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social

Yup.

[Black Diamond]

I'm really sorry, and I don't mean this an insult, but your comments are just too ignorant to keep responding to. They are vapid, inane, ignorant and completely outside anything reasonable.
The world is becoming more and more unreasonable, ignorant.... Etc

[aboutime]

http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/25/flashback-nfl-banned-the-cowboys-from-wearing-decal-that-supported-police/?utm_campaign=thedcmainpage&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social


This is also the Same NFL that didn't like Tebow taking a knee to pray before his games.. Hypocrisy rules if anything that resembles good is tried, but being angry, and throwing up a fist, or ignoring the traditions of others is a NO NO.:saluting2:

[Black Diamond]

This is also the Same NFL that didn't like Tebow taking a knee to pray before his games.. Hypocrisy rules if anything that resembles good is tried, but being angry, and throwing up a fist, or ignoring the traditions of others is a NO NO.:saluting2:
Wow. I never thought of that. The irony I mean. Tebow took a knee and was crucified for it....

[High_Plains_Drifter]

The world is becoming more and more unreasonable, ignorant.... Etc
Driven by progs just like Pete. There is nothing more important to these people than furthering their agenda, and more often than not, their agenda, is nothing more than constant, 24/7, non stop, fervent opposition to anything conservative. They don't know if they're really for or against something until they first find out how the conservatives feel about it, then they do the opposite.

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

[Black Diamond]

Driven by progs just like Pete.

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."and that's assuming they are all good.....

[Abbey Marie]

Good for you, I mean that, but you are wrong in the end and there are countless studies to prove it. Race still matters.

How exactly am I wrong? Who is barred from doing what I did?

I've seen people with higher test scores passed over for civil service jobs and promotions in favor of lower-performing candidates, due to affirmative action.

Our school district still does busing. Even though the courts specifically told it they can stop. And because that is so expensive, any local kid who lives up to 2 miles from their own neighborhood school is not allowed to take the bus. On an on it goes.

Ironically, by disrespecting our flag, you are losing sympathy for such causes from many people.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

and that's assuming they are all good.....
We don't even have to assume... we know they're not.

[pete311]

Driven by progs just like Pete. There is nothing more important to these people than furthering their agenda, and more often than not, their agenda, is nothing more than constant, 24/7, non stop, fervent opposition to anything conservative. They don't know if they're really for or against something until they first find out how the conservatives feel about it, then they do the opposite.

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

I am for equality, diversity and unity. Man, how horrible. Where did I go wrong?

[Kathianne]

I am for equality, diversity and unity. Man, how horrible. Where did I go wrong?
Really? I've seen little evidence of any of that here with other members.

[pete311]

How exactly am I wrong? Who is barred from doing what I did?

I've seen people with higher test scores passed over for civil service jobs and promotions in favor of lower-performing candidates, due to affirmative action.

Our school district still does busing. Even though the courts specifically told it they can stop. And because that is so expensive, any local kid who lives up to 2 miles from their own neighborhood school is not allowed to take the bus. On an on it goes.

Ironically, by disrespecting our flag, you are losing sympathy for such causes from many people.

Take a class in black history and racism, I don't have time for it. I have done nothing to disrespect the flag.

[Black Diamond]

Take a class in black history and racism, I don't have time for it. I have done nothing to disrespect the flag.
Good. NFL players have.

[Abbey Marie]

Take a class in black history and racism, I don't have time for it. I have done nothing to disrespect the flag.

Stop trying to paint me as ignorant, Pete. You're dead wrong. The oldest lib ploy in the book- anyone who disagrees with you is ignorant and heartless. You've tried both.

And I didn't mean you personally. I meant the kneelers and those who support them.

[pete311]

Stop trying to paint me as ignorant, Pete. You're dead wrong. The oldest lib ploy in the book- anyone who disagrees with you is ignorant and heartless. You've tried both.

And I didn't mean you personally. I meant the kneelers and those who support them.

If you don't think race plays a part, then you are ignorant. Simple as that.

[pete311]

Really? I've seen little evidence of any of that here with other members.

Then I guess you are blind to the abuse I get here.

[Black Diamond]

Then I guess you are blind to the abuse I get here.
Tissue?

[aboutime]

If you don't think race plays a part, then you are ignorant. Simple as that.


petey. If you insist that race is behind this. Prove it, and remember that possibly...90% of the players in the NFL are Black, and probably the same, if not more in the NBA.

So, when Black men control what takes place on the basketball court, or on the football field...ONLY A RACIST would insist..it's about RACE.

[Gunny]

So our national anthem and flag is the problem and not the disrespectful garbage spitting on it?The National Anthem and the Flag are the targets attention whores in Pampers use because it gets them what they want. Again, was the choice mine and I owned a team, you take a knee you can take it all the way back to the locker room and out the stadium door and don't bother coming back. Don't have to say a word to the media. The fired folk can talk to them with Kaepernick in the stadium parking lot.

But it isn't my choice. The crybabies are wrong and don't know what they're even crying about. Inequality? You mean these players are whining at the inequality with which whites are treated in deference to every other race in this Nation? Or are they whining about the extra Rights and perks you get for being a minority? Maybe it's because they haven't burned down one of their own neighborhoods for attention lately.

I STILL don't see what the National Anthem has to do with grownups playing a kid's game. They are there for entertainment and that's what they should be doing. I don't see entertainment being representative of this Nation.

[aboutime]

https://americanow.si.edu/archive/music/

The Banner Yet Waves: 200 Years of Star-Spangled History
https://americanow.si.edu/archive/music/
Occurring only a month after the British burning of the nation's capital, the victory ... On January 1, 1863, President Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation, ..... the tradition of singing the national anthem at the start of every Major League ...

[pete311]

petey. If you insist that race is behind this. Prove it, and remember that possibly...90% of the players in the NFL are Black, and probably the same, if not more in the NBA.

So, when Black men control what takes place on the basketball court, or on the football field...ONLY A RACIST would insist..it's about RACE.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000691077/article/colin-kaepernick-explains-why-he-sat-during-national-anthem

[Abbey Marie]

Then I guess you are blind to the abuse I get here.

Uh, well. You've made many derogatory statements about me. I've stayed mostly non-personal with you.

[PostmodernProphet]

I value the First Amendment.

me too......I value my first amendment right to say that footballers who take the knee ought to be forced to play soccer for free.....

[Black Diamond]

me too......I value my first amendment right to say that footballers who take the knee ought to be forced to play soccer for free.....
This has nothing to do with the first amendment. It doesn't mean you can keep your job if you say or do something the company finds unacceptable. Otherwise Paula Deen could have sued to tar out of whatever network she was fired from for saying nigger back in 1981.

[pete311]

Uh, well. You've made many derogatory statements about me. I've stayed mostly non-personal with you.

I have no personal problem with you. It's the 3-4 members who troll me every single post.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I have no personal problem with you. It's the 3-4 members who troll me every single post.
Well when you make outrageously outlandish comments that are obviously nothing more than radical leftist hyperbole, you're kind of a magnet for reasonable people to respond. Your comments are pretty far out there.

How did you get to be such an anti American leftist... Berkeley?

[pete311]

Well when you make outrageously outlandish comments that are obviously nothing more than radical leftist hyperbole, you're kind of a magnet for reasonable people to respond. Your comments are pretty far out there.

How did you get to be such an anti American leftist... Berkeley?

Yes I now realize, equality, unity and diversity are outlandish radical leftist hyperbole. How silly of me.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Yes I now realize, equality, unity and diversity are outlandish radical leftist hyperbole. How silly of me.
See... you're doing it now...

[pete311]

http://time.com/4955704/nfl-league-rulebook-a62-63-national-anthem-rule/
The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.
During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.
It's important to note the use of the word "may" here. The NFL is not considering punishing fines on players or teams who choose to kneel or stay in the locker room during the national anthem, the spokesperson says.— Sean Gregory contributed to this report.

Facebook post about NFL Rulebook for players standing for national anthem is fake news
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2017/09/facebook_post_about_nfl_rulebo.html

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I'm sorry you're perplexed.

Perhaps this will help...


I don't agree with what they are doing. I believe that, ultimately the players, the owners, and the NFL as a whole will pay a price (of course I believe the price they pay will be short lived, much like it is when the league goes on strike). They seem to forget that their fans are comprised of people from all over the political map.


I am not offended because, more than I respect our flag, and much more than I appreciate our national anthem, I value the First Amendment.

Perhaps this will help -you-, in your confusion......

The flag is the symbol for the blood and sacrifice that has given us and maintained-- not only the First Amendment but also the other important rights we now enjoy in this nation.
THE MAJORITY OF THOSE doing this disrespecting are not operating on some high-minded, detached philosophical principle as you just socleverly just couched it,IMHO.
That to me , seems to be the clever media spill to justify it all and advance the liberal/dem agenda--plus keep their plantation voters happy.
When it is truly about blacks , crying for more-- more freebies, more very special considerations.
While you and others(media/libs'/dem party etc.)- happily, cleverly and conveniently ignore the higher rate of criminal activities they engage in places them in far,far more confrontational incidents involving police officers!
Spin and cleverly phrased comments do not sway me into ignoring reality and truth.
The entire taking a knee crap during playing of the Anthem is disrespect based upon a lie, a promoted and unAmerican agenda that the dem party and its allies(SOROS, OTHER MAGGOTS, ETC.) think will also harm Trump.-Tyr

[jimnyc]

All I know is this much - put Trump and politics aside, and concentrate on the protest/activity alone, and the response at the stadiums.

You don't see it on TV as that's not how they have their sound geared when playing the anthem, but at EVERY single game I could find, those that recorded from the stands - the booing is incredibly loud.

So don't believe all the MSM hype, the fans aren't all on board with this, not nearly close, they DON'T like it. Does it matter or will it matter? Who knows, it's too big and has too many fans that will still tune in. Folks will watch, even if they detest the players that are doing this. But it IS a black eye, and the players/teams in question are in fact getting booed and are going to take "fan" hits as a result, if they give a shit or not. Von Miller, great LB, is now the first I know of to have endorsement issues/commercials already since his decision on the field. I hope he's not the last. And I hope someone like Villanueva gets a huge endorsement instead.

--

And I'l state again - take it elsewhere, have conferences or events that are meant for this attraction. Like Villanueva also said - he would hold hands with Kap for the problems they speak about and look for change. Just that he feels the anthem/flag is the wrong way. But do it in a different manner, take it off the field, bring your message across verbally in some manner - and I'll be one of the first to tune in and listen.

[jimnyc]

I think it was AT who stated it earlier, in this or another thread - and that was why don't they just have the players come out after the anthem to begin with. That's exactly how it used to be in the NFL. Not sure I recall when that changed.

And while reverting may work down the line, it sure would be a shame seeing changes made to our flag/anthem activities, just feels wrong and dirty. :(

[Black Diamond]

First amendment guarantees me the right to go into the office and flutter my tongue at every administrative assistant I find attractive, ask for sexual favors,etc.

if I do that once a week, how long would I have a job? And how long before the company loses a lot of money after they get sued for not suspending and firing me?

[Black Diamond]

From Facebook :

Free speech means that you can not be jailed for it. It does not mean there are not consequences for it. Don't forget that they are employees. When I'm at work, I don't just get to say whatever I want because I represent the company. You know why I watch football? Because I enjoy it. But when it's over run with a bunch of spoiled misguided fucking babies disrespecting the country I love more than football, I don't enjoy it anymore. Turns out, I'm not the only one...

I also have the right to carry a gun. But not as an employee. So you can't really give free speech more credit than it deserves.

Yes. You are missing the point. Football is not the place for political bullshit. The ratings drop prove that I'm right about this. The VAST majority of Americans watch football for entertainment. For an escape. Football is not the time or place for this discussion. No one is trying to silence the individual or their message. It can be heard elsewhere like Twitter of Facebook. The Americans that still love America, are going to continue tuning out until this stops.

[jimnyc]

http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/25/flashback-nfl-banned-the-cowboys-from-wearing-decal-that-supported-police/?utm_campaign=thedcmainpage&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social


This is also the Same NFL that didn't like Tebow taking a knee to pray before his games.. Hypocrisy rules if anything that resembles good is tried, but being angry, and throwing up a fist, or ignoring the traditions of others is a NO NO.:saluting2:

I mentioned similar in another thread. This shows the complete hypocrisy of the NFL. They are supporting the players by stating they have their "freedom of speech and expression" - and yet that's EXACTLY what a player is doing if they express themselves by wearing a pair of cleats memorializing 9/11. The NFL fined for that. ALL kinds of other "speech" is met with fines. Tebow is made fun of for kneeling, and it was no protest, just simply doing his thing. Bunch.of.hypocrites. And don't DARE support the police!! But at the same time, it's aok to wear sicks that demean and belittle "pigs". :rolleyes:

Simply do it another way, I said this a long time before this exploded. Some state it won't garner as much attention, that's why they use the field and national cameras. Sure, all that to bring attention and bring forth anger. I ASSURE you, have week after week after week of conferences, bring together many athletes. Hell, Ali did damn good with one summit at the time. Do a bunch, get support from the NFL or whoever - do it in the RIGHT way, and watch the change of attitude and acceptance from the nation.

But I don't care if someone calls it a silent protest or an FU. No matter how you slice it or dice it, it's disrespectful. less than 2 minutes of a life to do the right thing - and that very well may change the entire view of this whole thing and completely change things around - and perhaps even make change.

[jimnyc]

From Facebook :

Between my own friends, and then a few responses brings in other friends, and then another brings in even more. Folks should know by now how things get "seen" in a viral manner on FB.

I've been reading since this weekend and have seen literally probably close to a thousand memes and others just simply writing. I've not seen but maybe 2 or 3 people defending the actions.

And an example from a few stadiums. Rough when your own home stadium boos, but that's simply how many feel.

Patriots fans booing at HOME


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjLGehpVu8Y

Steelers:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UROX4jrli6Y

[SMTA]

What is offensive about them taking a knee? They're silently protesting, some of them even place their hand over their heart while doing so. They're not yelling, they're not shouting expletives, they're not doing anything but silently kneeling. I fail to see any offensive behavior.
Which is their right according to the COTUS.
Unless there is a clause in their employment contracts for using their actions, they are free to exercise their 1A rights.
The moron Trump hides behind the 1A to make his nasty and racist comments, but forbids other people from doing the same thing because he disagrees with them.

Trump is a decisive and hypocritical moron who acts like a petulant 6 year old child.
He is an embarrassment to the US.

[jimnyc]

Btw, according to the NFL, the reason they started with the anthem at the games, and making the flags bigger and bigger - was to honor our American troops and veterans before each game. Let that sink in.

So now, they "reverse" that, and don't want to honor the troops and veterans.

I don't know if it matters which thread, this or the Steelers thread...

Apparently some "wounded warriors" and fellow veterans/friends of Villanueva had called him about this whole thing. While he didn't get into specifics, it's obvious they didn't want him to let politics enter the equation and have him disrespect fellow fallen soldiers and brothers in arms.

I argued with someone on FB - they said "WTF does the flag have directly to do with the military anyway, it doesn't" or something like that. :rolleyes:

Here's what a General thinks about why we stand to honor our flag. I'll take this perspective over Kaepernick and the NFL 8 days out of the week. I went back over it with the intent of placing the things of importance in bold, things I think directly and perfectly address the situation.

Do.it.another.way.

--

In the course of everyday life, there are very few opportunities for the people of the United States to come together, pause and reflect on the hope that is only possible with freedom and democracy. Our national anthem is a statement of respect for this hope, not a declaration that those present agree with everything our nation does or fails to do.

That’s why members of the military and other public servants love sports and why sports love them. As the 18th chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, I witnessed the public ritual of playing the national anthem at sporting events dozens of times and saw Americans rise above their own self interests and celebrate something that is greater than themselves. More recently, I was in Rio de Janeiro for the Olympics and stood with enormous pride as our flag was raised and the anthem played when outstanding athletes across a variety of sports were moved to tears by the honor of representing their country.

Life presents plenty of opportunities for us to disagree with one another and seemingly fewer opportunities on which we agree. Standing together during the national anthem at sporting events should be one of those times when we agree, when we focus on the things that bind us together, even as we prepare to let our voices be heard in disagreement about which team is the better team.

It’s important to remember that our military is composed entirely of volunteers. It obviously takes a special kind of patriotism for people to volunteer to risk their life for their country. Theirs is not blind patriotism that pretends there is nothing wrong with the country. Every man and woman in uniform knows we still have work to do to achieve the equality, opportunity and justice for all to which we aspire. But every member of the military also knows that what is right about America is worth defending. And if it’s worth defending, it’s worth honoring.

I spent my professional life defending individual rights, and I did so with the knowledge that sometimes people would use those rights in ways that might be hurtful or insensitive. I just hope that the athletes who are using the anthem as a protest understand why people like me intend to keep standing during the national anthem. We do so not because we agree with everything America has done, or everything that has been done in America's name, but because despite all of that the world is a better place because America exists. That seems to me to be worth the honor of respect during the national anthem.

What’s wrong about America can't be fixed unless we acknowledge, protect and, yes, honor what is right about America. For for those who don’t like standing because they disagree with what America has done, stand and pay it forward for what you think America should do. Then, as the last echoes of the anthem fade away, go back to arguing for change from that foundation of promise that is the national anthem.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/09/18/kaepernick-patriotism-flag-anthem-military-football-respect-general-dempsey/90429784/

[jimnyc]

Which is their right according to the COTUS.
Unless there is a clause in their employment contracts for using their actions, they are free to exercise their 1A rights.
The moron Trump hides behind the 1A to make his nasty and racist comments, but forbids other people from doing the same thing because he disagrees with them.

Trump is a decisive and hypocritical moron who acts like a petulant 6 year old child.
He is an embarrassment to the US.

Stretching things a tad because you don't like him? WHERE has he forbidden anything?

You come to chastise Trump over this whole deal, but not a peep about any disrespect or perceived disrespect of our flag and/or national anthem.

If it's something in his career where he is the employer, then of course he has that right to dictate what someone does on the job, just as the NFL has that right with all of their players.

And yeah, I can see where what he said was anything even remotely as racist. That's downright retarded. So now wanting respect for our flag/anthem is somehow a racist thing?

Myself and I'm sure many included would feel exactly the same about this situation regardless the color of the person involved.

I think what he said was 100% spot on, and exactly how many feel. I've got no problem if you see him as an embarrassment, but know that not everyone shares your view. Perhaps the same division that was there during the election.

[jimnyc]

Drew Brees from the NFL:

New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees addressed the media concerning President Trump’s statement on NFL players who kneel during the national anthem, saying: “But if you’re an American, I will always believe that we should be standing, showing respect to our flag with our hand over our heart.”

“The national anthem and standing for the national anthem and looking at the flag with your hand over your heart is a unifying thing that should bring us all together and say, ‘You know what? We know that things are not where they should be, but we will continue to work and strive to make things better, to bring equality to all people: men, women, no matter what your race, creed religion – it doesn’t matter – equality for all,’ said Brees.

“But if you’re an American, then I will always believe that we should be standing, showing respect to our flag with our hand over our heart,” he said.

Brees’ comments, as reported by NOLA.com, came in response to President Donald Trump’s remarks about the NFL and players who kneel during the U.S. National Anthem. Following the Saints 34-13 victory over the Carolina Panthers, Brees addressed the media in asking, “Before we start, I’m just going to go ahead and answer the Trump question right now, okay?”

Rest - https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-morris/drew-brees-if-youre-american-we-should-be-standing-showing-respect-our-flag

[Black Diamond]

Has anyone considered the idea that trump has the constitutional right to say the sonofabitch should be fired? Or to tell his supporters to boycott the NFL ?


And if you want trump fired for saying it, write your congressman and tell him or her to recommend impeachment. Or more accurately fire him in the voters box.

[SMTA]

Stretching things a tad because you don't like him? WHERE has he forbidden anything?

You come to chastise Trump over this whole deal, but not a peep about any disrespect or perceived disrespect of our flag and/or national anthem.

If it's something in his career where he is the employer, then of course he has that right to dictate what someone does on the job, just as the NFL has that right with all of their players.

And yeah, I can see where what he said was anything even remotely as racist. That's downright retarded. So now wanting respect for our flag/anthem is somehow a racist thing?

Myself and I'm sure many included would feel exactly the same about this situation regardless the color of the person involved.

I think what he said was 100% spot on, and exactly how many feel. I've got no problem if you see him as an embarrassment, but know that not everyone shares your view. Perhaps the same division that was there during the election.

You seem to not understand that disrespect of our flag and the anthem are exactly why the 1A exists. Period.

Trump's racism was very apparent in Charlottesville with his comments in support of the white supremacy morons.

The fact that black athletes protesting the shooting the shooting of blacks by cop upsets Trump further enforces his racist views, along with his selection of morons like Bannon.

Any veteran worth their salt should understand that their efforts support the COTUS and the 1A, whether or not they agree with the other views.

The fact that Trump is childishly tweeting 3 days about this and ignoring hurricane devastation and NK is ridiculous.

Trump is a childish moron.

[jimnyc]

You seem to not understand that disrespect of our flag and the anthem are exactly why the 1A exists. Period.

Ummm, no, it's not period. The 1st exists and others can speak against. Did you forget that while writing this sentence? It's allowed as per the 1st, but that's hardly "why" it exists.


Trump's racism was very apparent in Charlottesville with his comments in support of the white supremacy morons.

He simply blamed both sides, he DID NOT comment and support white supremacy. Care to share facts with this statement?


The fact that black athletes protesting the shooting the shooting of blacks by cop upsets Trump further enforces his racist views, along with his selection of morons like Bannon.

It upsets a LOT more than Trump. And I guess that means that all of the troops and veterans that are against are all racists too. Do you know how retarded that sounds?


Any veteran worth their salt should understand that their efforts support the COTUS and the 1A, whether or not they agree with the other views.

They support their right but DISAGREE with what they're doing. Understanding and supporting or respecting are 2 different things. You likely won't garner much for ones cause if you can't get their support and respect.


The fact that Trump is childishly tweeting 3 days about this and ignoring hurricane devastation and NK is ridiculous.

Trump is a childish moron.

I just posted another article in another thread, from the governor of PR. You're simply WRONG again. He's ignored nothing.

[Gunny]

You seem to not understand that disrespect of our flag and the anthem are exactly why the 1A exists. Period.

Trump's racism was very apparent in Charlottesville with his comments in support of the white supremacy morons.

The fact that black athletes protesting the shooting the shooting of blacks by cop upsets Trump further enforces his racist views, along with his selection of morons like Bannon.

Any veteran worth their salt should understand that their efforts support the COTUS and the 1A, whether or not they agree with the other views.

The fact that Trump is childishly tweeting 3 days about this and ignoring hurricane devastation and NK is ridiculous.

Trump is a childish moron.Who put a nickel in YOU? Trump's racism was apparent in Charlottesville? Hardly. But YOUR racism is quite evident by your imaginative accusations. Too bad you can't back them up.

And ANY moron that would vote for Clinton should not be allowed to vote to begin with. You have no right to accuse anyone. You'd put a criminal in office so long as a (D) was behind its name. The Unconstitutional King Barrack I is proof of that, and running Hillary only solidifies it.

You people are so miserable. Leave. Find a better country and go and quit fucking mine up trying to turn it into 1930s Germany Pt II.

[aboutime]

Which is their right according to the COTUS.
Unless there is a clause in their employment contracts for using their actions, they are free to exercise their 1A rights.
The moron Trump hides behind the 1A to make his nasty and racist comments, but forbids other people from doing the same thing because he disagrees with them.

Trump is a decisive and hypocritical moron who acts like a petulant 6 year old child.
He is an embarrassment to the US.


He's only an embarrassment to anyone who doesn't like being told, or shown the truth.

[jimnyc]

Boos Rain Down From Arizona MNF Crowd as Dallas Cowboys Kneel Before Anthem

As a native of Arizona, this made me feel good. To their credit, the Cowboys did stand for the playing of the Star Spangled Banner but the fans are obviously sick of this already.

(video at site, but can't embed, so here is a different version from Youtube. The video on site has discussion about what took place as well)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL3H5cI67WY

https://pjmedia.com/video/boos-rain-arizona-mnf-crowd-dallas-cowboys-kneel-anthem/

[jimnyc]

The president should not have used foul language.

That's about all I can come up with that he did wrong. Other than that, he spoke his mind about an issue that millions of America have been similarly stating.

I know folks will disagree with me, and I understand that. Some see it as a protest that isn't against the flag/anthem and is solely looking for some sort of social justice or change. I can respect that, I simply disagree, and I think there are much better ways to get the respect and attention and focus of those you wish to seek change from.

Some see it as disrespectful to our flag, our nation & so many soldiers that have fought and died for our country, and also for veterans and current members. Some might not sit and see that as their intent, but to many that disagree, that's how it's taken.

IMO, the players and those kneeling are those that are divisive. This argument started long before this weekend. Trump's comments drew the league together in unity, there's obviously no doubt about that. But that doesn't mean that those kneeling aren't doing anything right, and perhaps nothing wrong in many eyes. But it IS causing division, problems for the NFL & much condemnation around the nation. That much existed prior to Trump.

---

Who's Divisive -- the President or the Players?

Because the left dominates the news media, the entertainment media and academia, Americans are swimming -- actually, drowning -- in an ocean of lies.

Here are a few examples:

America is racist.

America oppresses its minorities.

America oppresses women.

Universities have a culture of rape.

There are more than two genders.

All cultures are morally and culturally equal.

Hurricanes Harvey and Irma were caused, or made more intense, by global warming.

Israel is the villain in the Middle East conflict.

Western civilization is a euphemism for "white supremacy."

The latest lie of the left is that, with regard to the conflict between the NFL and President Donald Trump, the president is the "divisive" party.

Whenever people on the left tell one of these lies, I always wonder if they really believe it. I have concluded that they nearly always do. Which is more frightening than if they knew they weren't telling the truth. With people who know they aren't telling the truth there is always hope. But there is no hope for people who believe their lies.

What other conclusion could any fair-minded person reach when people say with a straight face that Trump is the divisive party with regard to his conflict with players refusing to stand for the National Anthem?

Apparently, the question, "Who started it?" means nothing to the journalists, politicians and NFL players, coaches and owners who call the president "divisive."

So, before discussing Trump's reaction, our fellow Americans on the left need to answer some pretty simple questions: Has the behavior of those athletes has been divisive? Is kneeling while tens of thousands of people are standing divisive? Is publicly showing contempt for the American flag for which innumerable Americans risked their lives, were terribly injured, or died divisive?

The answers are so obvious that if someone denies that those actions are divisive, it inevitably raises another question:

Why would anyone deny it?

Here are three likely reasons:

Rest here - https://townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/2017/09/26/whos-divisive--the-president-or-the-players-n2386455

[Gunny]

You're just trying to dump on the Cowboys to dray attention away from your team. In fact, there is no right response that isn't going to piss someone off. THAT I DO blame on Trump. He turned this into some matter of honor and respect and gave it way more prominence not to mention momentum. As it was, One dumbass QB nobody has signed and a few players were doing it. Trump weighing in forced of made everyone felt forced to take a side. All fine and well if it was something more important than a football game. No matter who did what, the left (playing the usual victim card) and the media were ready to pounce.

Some things the President need to just not comment on. This is one. Now look at it. All the Pete's in the US are crying. And for Pete: this WAS about race? Not anymore. Bogus as it was, your side loses too. It was stupid to begin with. Now its the NFL vs Trump.

Hope some of y'all came out the other end with dry Pampers. Well, actually I don't care. Hope you got a rash. No matter who says what talking sideways and backwards out of their mouths, if you disrespect the symbol of this Nation, you are disrespecting the Nation. Period. Plain English.

Anyone here bothered at all by the fact we got 3 hurricane cleanups going on and Cream of Sum Young Guy has all but declared war on the US? That's as much for the finger-pointing left as anyone else. Y'all haven't addressed anything BUT lies and false accusations in years and you lost THAT one brain cell the day Trump won. You're so stupid you'd give this Nation to NK just to beat Trump at something.

[pete311]

The president should not have used foul language.

That's about all I can come up with that he did wrong. Other than that, he spoke his mind about an issue that millions of America have been similarly stating.

I know folks will disagree with me, and I understand that. Some see it as a protest that isn't against the flag/anthem and is solely looking for some sort of social justice or change. I can respect that, I simply disagree, and I think there are much better ways to get the respect and attention and focus of those you wish to seek change from.

Some see it as disrespectful to our flag, our nation & so many soldiers that have fought and died for our country, and also for veterans and current members. Some might not sit and see that as their intent, but to many that disagree, that's how it's taken.

IMO, the players and those kneeling are those that are divisive. This argument started long before this weekend. Trump's comments drew the league together in unity, there's obviously no doubt about that. But that doesn't mean that those kneeling aren't doing anything right, and perhaps nothing wrong in many eyes. But it IS causing division, problems for the NFL & much condemnation around the nation. That much existed prior to Trump.

---

Who's Divisive -- the President or the Players?

Because the left dominates the news media, the entertainment media and academia, Americans are swimming -- actually, drowning -- in an ocean of lies.

Here are a few examples:

America is racist.

America oppresses its minorities.

America oppresses women.

Universities have a culture of rape.

There are more than two genders.

All cultures are morally and culturally equal.

Hurricanes Harvey and Irma were caused, or made more intense, by global warming.

Israel is the villain in the Middle East conflict.

Western civilization is a euphemism for "white supremacy."

The latest lie of the left is that, with regard to the conflict between the NFL and President Donald Trump, the president is the "divisive" party.

Whenever people on the left tell one of these lies, I always wonder if they really believe it. I have concluded that they nearly always do. Which is more frightening than if they knew they weren't telling the truth. With people who know they aren't telling the truth there is always hope. But there is no hope for people who believe their lies.

What other conclusion could any fair-minded person reach when people say with a straight face that Trump is the divisive party with regard to his conflict with players refusing to stand for the National Anthem?

Apparently, the question, "Who started it?" means nothing to the journalists, politicians and NFL players, coaches and owners who call the president "divisive."

So, before discussing Trump's reaction, our fellow Americans on the left need to answer some pretty simple questions: Has the behavior of those athletes has been divisive? Is kneeling while tens of thousands of people are standing divisive? Is publicly showing contempt for the American flag for which innumerable Americans risked their lives, were terribly injured, or died divisive?

The answers are so obvious that if someone denies that those actions are divisive, it inevitably raises another question:

Why would anyone deny it?

Here are three likely reasons:

Rest here - https://townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/2017/09/26/whos-divisive--the-president-or-the-players-n2386455

Jim it's amazing how perfectly right you are on every single stance. You're like some mythical guru. Always on the right side. Never wrong. You should really start a service where you can tell people what the right things are, because you always know. You're like a moral god who has all the information and done all the research and calculations. I give you credit. To be flawless in your views is a real achievement.

[jimnyc]

Jim it's amazing how perfectly right you are on every single stance. You're like some mythical guru. Always on the right side. Never wrong. You should really start a service where you can tell people what the right things are, because you always know. You're like a moral god who has all the information and done all the research and calculations. I give you credit. To be flawless in your views is a real achievement.

And amazing how you can read posts from folks who aren't trolling, but yet become one yourself, because you're incapable of having a discussion and/or refuting what I have to say.

Kindly go fuck yourself.

Oh, have I given you directions to the "logout" button at the top right of the board yet? You're MORE than welcome to click it and leave this "cesspool" and go elsewhere. I assure you, there won't be any hard feelings.

[jimnyc]

You're just trying to dump on the Cowboys to dray attention away from your team. In fact, there is no right response that isn't going to piss someone off. THAT I DO blame on Trump. He turned this into some matter of honor and respect and gave it way more prominence not to mention momentum. As it was, One dumbass QB nobody has signed and a few players were doing it. Trump weighing in forced of made everyone felt forced to take a side. All fine and well if it was something more important than a football game. No matter who did what, the left (playing the usual victim card) and the media were ready to pounce.

Some things the President need to just not comment on. This is one. Now look at it. All the Pete's in the US are crying. And for Pete: this WAS about race? Not anymore. Bogus as it was, your side loses too. It was stupid to begin with. Now its the NFL vs Trump.

Hope some of y'all came out the other end with dry Pampers. Well, actually I don't care. Hope you got a rash. No matter who says what talking sideways and backwards out of their mouths, if you disrespect the symbol of this Nation, you are disrespecting the Nation. Period. Plain English.

Anyone here bothered at all by the fact we got 3 hurricane cleanups going on and Cream of Sum Young Guy has all but declared war on the US? That's as much for the finger-pointing left as anyone else. Y'all haven't addressed anything BUT lies and false accusations in years and you lost THAT one brain cell the day Trump won. You're so stupid you'd give this Nation to NK just to beat Trump at something.

To draw attention away from my team? The team I clearly already condemned down the line? Sure thing, Mr. Not reading. :rolleyes:

[hjmick]

Facebook post about NFL Rulebook for players standing for national anthem is fake news
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2017/09/facebook_post_about_nfl_rulebo.html

Well, yes and no...

It's not in the NFL rule book, but it does appear in the Game Operations Manual...


Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rules in Letting Players Protest Anthem (UPDATED) (https://news.grabien.com/story-roger-goodell-ignoring-leagues-own-rule-book-letting-players)

The initial reporting did refer to the NFL rule book, so I will simply post the updates...



UPDATE: Snopes.com claims that this rule does not, in fact, exist. The article cites the rule quoted above and reports "No such wording appears in the 2017 version of the Official Playing Rules of the National Football League."

Yet the NFL's Game Operations Manual -- the 200-plus page book the league refers to as its "bible" -- is different than its rulebook. It is not available to the public. The rule cited above comes from the league itself, via the Washington Post.

The Post reported Sunday that the NFL confirmed the rule's existence but emphasized their ability to enforce it selectively:

Under the league rule, the failure to be on the field for the anthem may result in discipline such as a fine, suspension or loss of a draft pick. But a league official said the key phrase is “may” result, adding he won’t speculate on whether the Steelers would be disciplined.

The specific rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual, according to a league source.


UPDATE TWO: After Grabien contacted Snopes.com, bringing the above facts to their attention, the author amended his article, confirming the existence of the above-state rule, and changed their description of this story from "false" to "mixture."

UPDATE THREE: The NFL, responding to the Kansas City Star, confirmed the national anthem-related rules cited above. However, the NFL's vice president of communications, Brian McCarthy, "stressed that [the] passage about the national anthem is a guideline and not a requirement."


Plenty of links at the site, should one choose click my link above and explore some more...

[SMTA]

Who put a nickel in YOU? Trump's racism was apparent in Charlottesville? Hardly. But YOUR racism is quite evident by your imaginative accusations. Too bad you can't back them up.

And ANY moron that would vote for Clinton should not be allowed to vote to begin with. You have no right to accuse anyone. You'd put a criminal in office so long as a (D) was behind its name. The Unconstitutional King Barrack I is proof of that, and running Hillary only solidifies it.

You people are so miserable. Leave. Find a better country and go and quit fucking mine up trying to turn it into 1930s Germany Pt II.

Speaking of morons, you are completely incorrect in assuming that I voted for Clinton.

You are pathetically childish in your assumptions. Fell free to go fuck yourself. Douchebag.

[Black Diamond]

Speaking of morons, you are completely incorrect in assuming that I voted for Clinton.

You are pathetically childish in your assumptions. Fell free to go fuck yourself. Douchebag.
Lighten up, Monica.

[aboutime]

How lill petey boy comes here to constantly defend losers, and anti-Americans by always seeming to take the side of the LIBERAL HATERS who pretend to be proud of their nation by DISRESPECTING IT???

They use the 1st Amendment to hide behind, and accuse everyone else of being guilty of hate speech....Which is not mentioned in the 1st amendment, or the Constitution because THEY ARE THE ONES WHO USE HATE SPEECH TO DEFEND THEIR LIES.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Now its the NFL vs Trump.
Not hardly...

New Survey: 64 Percent Of Americans Say NFL Players Should Stand For Anthem
http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/26/new-survey-64-percent-of-americans-say-nfl-players-should-stand-for-anthem-video/

[SMTA]

Lighten up, Monica.

EMETIB.

That idiot reaped exactly what he sowed.

I treated him as he deserved. Clowns like him will never learn.

Screw his childish accusations.

[Gunny]

To draw attention away from my team? The team I clearly already condemned down the line? Sure thing, Mr. Not reading. :rolleyes:I read fine, dork. Maybe I need to re-read this thread, then re-read the other thread just like it and see what responses I put in which thread because having just ONe thread would be just too damned easy.

Several of them are all devolving into the same crap. It's about blacks. It's about respect. It's about Trump. Don't forget, diaper boy, I was a Steelers fan before anyone even thought of YOU. I got football cards older than you. I was actually shocked at Tomlin's choice because no one expects that of the Steelers. I commended Villanueva on doing the right thing, but he's not going into "hero" status for a mop-up operation over a mess HE made.

I was just teasing you anyway, jerk off:slap:.

However, as stated in one thread or two or another ... people are being forced to choose or made to feel like they have to choose a side. Sucks to be YOU. I already hated the NFL and Roger "No Spine" Goodell. Was he enforcing his own damned rules, this issue wouldn't exist. But don't let some jackass get accused of underinflating his friggin' ball or Goodell will shit all over him.

[Abbey Marie]

Btw, according to the NFL, the reason they started with the anthem at the games, and making the flags bigger and bigger - was to honor our American troops and veterans before each game. Let that sink in.

So now, they "reverse" that, and don't want to honor the troops and veterans.

I don't know if it matters which thread, this or the Steelers thread...

Apparently some "wounded warriors" and fellow veterans/friends of Villanueva had called him about this whole thing. While he didn't get into specifics, it's obvious they didn't want him to let politics enter the equation and have him disrespect fellow fallen soldiers and brothers in arms.

I argued with someone on FB - they said "WTF does the flag have directly to do with the military anyway, it doesn't" or something like that. :rolleyes:

--
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/09/18/kaepernick-patriotism-flag-anthem-military-football-respect-general-dempsey/90429784/

That first sentence is everything. My WWII history teacher today spent the first full 5 minutes of class off-topic explaining to us from her bully pulpit that protesting the anthem and flag at the games have nothing to do with disrespecting our military. Wish I could have told her this.

[Gunny]

Not hardly...

New Survey: 64 Percent Of Americans Say NFL Players Should Stand For Anthem


http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/26/new-survey-64-percent-of-americans-say-nfl-players-should-stand-for-anthem-video/Isn't SMTA an engine oil additive that after all its great promises turned out to be as worthless as the can it came in?

[PostmodernProphet]

Not hardly...

New Survey: 64 Percent Of Americans Say NFL Players Should Stand For Anthem


http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/26/new-survey-64-percent-of-americans-say-nfl-players-should-stand-for-anthem-video/


its still Americans versus the idiots......just like its always been........

[Abbey Marie]

You're just trying to dump on the Cowboys to dray attention away from your team. In fact, there is no right response that isn't going to piss someone off. THAT I DO blame on Trump. He turned this into some matter of honor and respect and gave it way more prominence not to mention momentum. As it was, One dumbass QB nobody has signed and a few players were doing it. Trump weighing in forced of made everyone felt forced to take a side. All fine and well if it was something more important than a football game. No matter who did what, the left (playing the usual victim card) and the media were ready to pounce.

Some things the President need to just not comment on. This is one. Now look at it. All the Pete's in the US are crying. And for Pete: this WAS about race? Not anymore. Bogus as it was, your side loses too. It was stupid to begin with. Now its the NFL vs Trump.

Hope some of y'all came out the other end with dry Pampers. Well, actually I don't care. Hope you got a rash. No matter who says what talking sideways and backwards out of their mouths, if you disrespect the symbol of this Nation, you are disrespecting the Nation. Period. Plain English.

Anyone here bothered at all by the fact we got 3 hurricane cleanups going on and Cream of Sum Young Guy has all but declared war on the US? That's as much for the finger-pointing left as anyone else. Y'all haven't addressed anything BUT lies and false accusations in years and you lost THAT one brain cell the day Trump won. You're so stupid you'd give this Nation to NK just to beat Trump at something.


Gotta disagree. Jim posted several team videos, not just the Cowboys. Including, I believe, of the Steelers.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Isn't SMTA an engine oil additive that after all its great promises turned out to be as worthless as the can it came in?
Ya lost me there Gunny... what does SMTA have to do with anything...

[Gunny]

Speaking of morons, you are completely incorrect in assuming that I voted for Clinton.

You are pathetically childish in your assumptions. Fell free to go fuck yourself. Douchebag..Yep. I was wrong. Took a few to place your troll non-American ass. But hey, the Dems let Mexican illegals aliens vote. Should have gotten in on it.

so why don't YOU go fuck yourself? It's not your flag but I WILL fight you for it. Ask a few of your raghead buddies. Oh yeah, you can't. They aren't around anymore.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

its still Americans versus the idiots......just like its always been........
I agree... but the reason I posted that was because Gunny said it just between president Trump and the NFL.

He may have had more reason behind saying that than indicated but he hasn't elaborated yet.

I thought the poll was worth posting in any case.

[Black Diamond]

Not hardly...

New Survey: 64 Percent Of Americans Say NFL Players Should Stand For Anthem


http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/26/new-survey-64-percent-of-americans-say-nfl-players-should-stand-for-anthem-video/
Good. Maybe trump's real approval rating is 64 percent. :)

[aboutime]

Isn't SMTA an engine oil additive that after all its great promises turned out to be as worthless as the can it came in?


No Gunny. SMTA is the stuff plumbers use to find holes in pipes that lead to cesspool stoppages and the STINK that can kill, coming from SICK MINDS....
<img src="http://acronymsandslang.com/acronym_image/351/dd1f9c90d625c261859a7e72c483c58d.jpg">

[gabosaurus]

"Do what I say, not what I do." :rolleyes:



President should not be telling the Washington Redskins to change their name-our country has far bigger problems! FOCUS on them,not nonsense

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 8, 2013

[SMTA]

Isn't SMTA an engine oil additive that after all its great promises turned out to be as worthless as the can it came in?
SMTA is a believer in the COTUS and the BOR who believes in individual rights and freedom.

SMTA is not a Kool Aid drinking brainless follower like some morons.


.Yep. I was wrong. Took a few to place your troll non-American ass. But hey, the Dems let Mexican illegals aliens vote. Should have gotten in on it.

so why don't YOU go fuck yourself? It's not your flag but I WILL fight you for it. Ask a few of your raghead buddies. Oh yeah, you can't. They aren't around anymore.
What a pathetic excuse you are for a human.

It is my flag, just like everyone else.

Fuck you and your service for the way you piss on this country and its people.

Unlike your worthless ass, most vets have class.


No Gunny. SMTA is the stuff plumbers use to find holes in pipes that lead to cesspool stoppages and the STINK that can kill, coming from SICK MINDS....
http://acronymsandslang.com/acronym_image/351/dd1f9c90d625c261859a7e72c483c58d.jpg
Look at the cute little moron making signs. How proud you must be.

[Abbey Marie]

I am so glad Trump has spoken out about this!

By far there is no more important issue facing our country than a bunch of overpaid children playing professional sports who take their platform and use it as an opportunity to exercise their First Amendment right to express themselves on an issue they feel strongly about.

I am so glad that he is not worried about leading the GOP through the upcoming ACA repeal attempt, his confidence level for its replacement must be very high.

I am so glad he is not worried about lowering our taxes...

I am so glad he is not worried about his wall...

I am so glad he is not worried about the myriad of other issues that we as a nation face.


The NFL players taking a knee is the most egregious threat to America today. No doubt about it, it's yuge, believe me...

...
In the end, the NFL will suffer for it, the owners will suffer for it, the teams will suffer for it, the players will suffer for it, the television networks will suffer for it. Then.

I see. The President cannot make a comment, and still pay attention to any other issues. I must know all incredibly brilliant talented people, because I don't know anyone who can only pay attention to one item a day.

[jimnyc]

Simply do it at another time, fury goes away - and perhaps they even choose a way to where their message is actually listened to. Make no mistake, while people are paying attention right now, it's because of the disrespect and commotion over it. I barely see any discussion at all about what concerns them. So simple, choose a different avenue that will garner attention and get folks to respectfully listen and pay attention.

They are SO rich that they can all afford to get together and make a special conference at a stadium, for example, and have it on during prime time.

How many people have been handed one of these? How many are related to someone handed one of these? How many friends? It goes very deep.

https://i.imgur.com/yGJa10S.png

[Abbey Marie]

There is a growing campaign on FB at least, to boycott the NFL on Sunday, Nov. 12th, in honor of Veterans' Day the day before. Our household won't be watching that day, or this Sunday either.
I hope an impact is felt.

[jimnyc]

There is a growing campaign on FB at least, to boycott the NFL on Sunday, Nov. 12th, in honor of Veterans' Day the day before. Our household won't be watching that day, or this Sunday either.
I hope an impact is felt.

Count me in. If it's the NFL or our Veterans, I'll side with the VETS 100% of the time.

Respect.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

There is a growing campaign on FB at least, to boycott the NFL on Sunday, Nov. 12th, in honor of Veterans' Day the day before. Our household won't be watching that day, or this Sunday either.
I hope an impact is felt.
That'll be easy for me, since I tuned them out LAST year when they started this anti American garbage.

I watched ONE Packer game three weeks ago... I won't watch another one, or any other NFL, period.

[jimnyc]

Bravo!!! :clap:

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‘I Don’t Belong Here’: Combat Veteran Resigns as Baltimore Ravens Anthem Singer

One would think that the city where the national anthem was written, would be the least likely to see an anthem singer resign. However, that’s exactly what’s happening right now with the Baltimore Ravens and their anthem singer.

According to the Baltimore Sun, Joey Odoms, an Army combat veteran, who won the anthem-singing job in a competition in 2014, has resigned. His resignation comes only days after over 200 NFL players, and about a dozen Baltimore Ravens, protested the flag and President Trump on Sunday.

Ravens Senior Vice President of Public and Community Relations, Kevin Byrne, had this to say of Odoms resignation: “We greatly appreciate the work Joey did for us and we thank him.”

Odoms posted a message on Instagram, which summed up his thoughts and reasoning for resigning. As quoted in the Sun, Odoms said that the, “tone/actions of a large number of NFL fans in the midst of our country’s cultural crisis, have convinced me that I do not belong” at M&T Bank Stadium.

“Someone once told me to always ‘go where you’re welcomed.’ This is not an emotional reaction to recent events, rather an ethical decision that part of me regrets but my core knows is the right choice.”

Odoms ended his post by expressing his thanks to the fans, “for the opportunity to grow as a performer and for allowing me to live out a dream of sharing my gift with you.”

Rest - http://www.breitbart.com/sports/2017/09/27/o-say-can-see-im-baltimore-ravens-anthem-singer-quits-disgust-says-dont-belong/

[revelarts]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=821ITBl0BAY



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=821ITBl0BAY

[jimnyc]

I disagree with that guy. He also tries to make a bunch of comparisons, unfortunately none of them have anything to do with current times of folks disrespecting our flag and anthem.

Just as so many protested the vietnam war and our troops returning. Doing it then as a form of protest wasn't right at all, and that hardly makes it any more right if done today.

disrespect for our flag, anthem & endless soldiers who fought and died for our country. NOTHING in my eyes will EVER make that remotely even ok.

[Black Diamond]

Simply do it at another time, fury goes away - and perhaps they even choose a way to where their message is actually listened to. Make no mistake, while people are paying attention right now, it's because of the disrespect and commotion over it. I barely see any discussion at all about what concerns them. So simple, choose a different avenue that will garner attention and get folks to respectfully listen and pay attention.

They are SO rich that they can all afford to get together and make a special conference at a stadium, for example, and have it on during prime time.

How many people have been handed one of these? How many are related to someone handed one of these? How many friends? It goes very deep.

https://i.imgur.com/yGJa10S.png
Yikes.

[jimnyc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpsM6zoSPuE

[jimnyc]

The vet in that video states:

He has no legs, but he'll stand for the both of them when the anthem is played.

[Black Diamond]

EMETIB.

That idiot reaped exactly what he sowed.

I treated him as he deserved. Clowns like him will never learn.

Screw his childish accusations.
Screw you.

[jimnyc]

I've asked this on FB, here and other places - no answer.

WHY CAN'T they do as I propose, which is to do something bigger, just outside of football? Maybe use a stadium, get as many players as possible, maybe even every one of those who took a knee. Have something planned for prime time. Have a special on 60 minutes or another channel or another place.

Bring it in a respectful manner. With no one being offended right off the bat, maybe they'll get positive attention, and folks actually listening.

I know they "can" kneel, and that's not my question.

[Black Diamond]

I've asked this on FB, here and other places - no answer.

WHY CAN'T they do as I propose, which is to do something bigger, just outside of football? Maybe use a stadium, get as many players as possible, maybe even every one of those who took a knee. Have something planned for prime time. Have a special on 60 minutes or another channel or another place.

Bring it in a respectful manner. With no one being offended right off the bat, maybe they'll get positive attention, and folks actually listening.

I know they "can" kneel, and that's not my question.
Because trump hurt their feelings. Much of it is to spite him. Which makes it not only disrespectful but also stupid.

[jimnyc]

American Sniper Widow To NFL: ‘You’ve Lost Me’

Taya Kyle, the widow of American Sniper Chris Kyle, wrote an open letter to the NFL to tell them they’ve lost her support over athletes kneeling for the national anthem.

Kyle argues that Americans have been football fans for so long because the NFL was about “celebrating each other based on skills, talent and a joint vision without regard to color and religion,” but now the NFL is choosing to “focus on division and anger.”

“Your desire to focus on division and anger has shattered what many people loved most about the sport,” Kyle says. “Football was really a metaphor for our ideal world — different backgrounds, talents, political beliefs and histories as one big team with one big goal — to do well, to win, TOGETHER.”

“Simplicity in a crazy world was pretty awesome,” she continues. “You dear NFL, have taken that. You have lost me here.”

Kyle ends the letter by encouraging NFL players to do their political and community activism outside of their paying job–in the off season. On her own time, she runs the Chris Kyle Frog Foundation, which works to strengthen the relationships of military and first-responder families.

“If I can do it while I raise two kids as their only parent and work through the greatest pain of my life, let’s see if they can do it for the issues they say they care so much about,” she concludes.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/27/american-sniper-widow-to-nfl-youve-lost-me/

[jimnyc]

One good thing about this, depending on where you stand of course. Sure, the NFL united as players/coaches/owners this past weekend. It more than added onto what was already getting out of hand.

And now more Americans are pissed than ever at the situation. More and more I see speaking up in defense, wearing the colors, even if only online. And many say similar to me - so long as they are pulling this shit, we don't give a shit about what they have to say and what their cause is. Respect is a 2 way street.

[aboutime]

Look at the cute little moron making signs. How proud you must be.


I am proud. I made the moron I was talking about say something stupid...again!

[jimnyc]

Sweet, another yanking their sponsoring or ads. I hope many more pull the ads.

---

It Begins. Owner of Historic US Clothing Company Pulls Ads from NFL Games

Allan Jones, CEO of Hardwick Clothing and Check Into Cash payday loan company, announced on Tuesday he is through with sponsoring the wardrobes and advertising on the NFL.

Hardwick Clothing is America’s oldest suit maker.

In his statement Jones said, “Our companies will not condone unpatriotic behavior!”
The Times Free Press reported:

Two years ago, Cleveland, Tenn., businessman Allan Jones was proudly showing off his newly acquired Hardwick Clothing-brand suits by providing the wardrobe for NBC’s on-air talent during the network’s broadcasts of NFL football games.

But after NFL players and coaches challenged President Donald Trump and many took a knee during the national anthem played before their games over the weekend, Jones said he is through sponsoring the wardrobes or advertising on stations that air the National Football League.

Jones, CEO of the payday lending chain Check Into Cash and owner of Hardwick Clothes — America’s oldest suit maker — tweeted his criticism and change of heart Tuesday.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/09/begins-owner-historic-us-clothing-company-pulls-ads-nfl-games/

[jimnyc]

Are folks actually angry, some ask? How about burning $4,000 worth of tickets angry.

--

NFL Fan Rodney Heard – a Marine Veteran – Burns $4000 Worth of NFL Tickets Online

Colts season ticket-holder Rodney Heard torched his Colts season tickets on Monday after several Indianapolis players knelt down during the National Anthem.

Rodney served in the Marines and his father and grandfather are also veterans who served their country.
Rodney took to Facebook on Monday to voice his anger over Sunday’s NFL protests.

He torched his Colts season tickets in a public Facebook live video.

(video at site)

Rest - http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/09/nfl-fan-rodney-heard-marine-veteran-burns-4000-worth-nfl-tickets-online-video/

[revelarts]

I disagree with that guy. He also tries to make a bunch of comparisons,
unfortunately none of them have anything to do with current times of folks disrespecting our flag and anthem.
Just as so many protested the vietnam war and our troops returning. Doing it then as a form of protest wasn't right at all, and that hardly makes it any more right if done today.
disrespect for our flag, anthem & endless soldiers who fought and died for our country. NOTHING in my eyes will EVER make that remotely even ok.



It doesn't have to be "OK" with you.
It's part of the freedom that the people died FOR.
that's the part that many seem to IGNORE that are so upset.
the Right to Protest and free speech is IN the constitution, THAT'S what the soldiers swore to "protect and defend".
Standing or publicly honoring the FLAG or Anthem are NOT in the constitution. Those acts are ONLY symbols to honor... NOT ONLY the people who died... but WHAT THEY DIED FOR.

You don't have to LIKE or "be OK with" ANYONE's views. but we all have the right to speak, and the NFL players are simply using it.





The vet in that video states:

He has no legs, but he'll stand for the both of them when the anthem is played.
that's GREAT. I get that. and respect it.
Others ...including some vets... have failed to stand in various forms of protest.
I get that to and respect it.




I've asked this on FB, here and other places - no answer.

WHY CAN'T they do as I propose...
um... so why can't they do both?

And like a lot of protest, somethings are not really planned. I don't think the knelling was a long term PR plan.
But a response to the number people killed and harmed by police unjustly.

And why is it that no matter WHAT people do in protest, there are people that want them to "DO SOMETHING ELSE"? But it always sounds like, do it in a way that i can ignore or doesn't bother me?



...which is to do something bigger, just outside of football? Maybe use a stadium, get as many players as possible, maybe even every one of those who took a knee. Have something planned for prime time. Have a special on 60 minutes or another channel or another place.

Bring it in a respectful manner. With no one being offended right off the bat, maybe they'll get positive attention, and folks actually listening.
I know they "can" kneel, and that's not my question.
one thing about the knelling at games is that it bring it up REGULARLY as aposed to a ONE off 60 minutes or big event.
but sure and How about a stadium filled with people discussing the problem overbearing policing and out of wack justice system. :2up:
I mean looking at list of maimed and dead unarmed people is offensive.

[aboutime]

It doesn't have to be "OK" with you.
It's part of the freedom that the people died FOR.
that's the part that many seem to IGNORE that are so upset.
the Right to Protest and free speech is IN the constitution, THAT'S what the soldiers swore to "protect and defend".
Standing or publicly honoring the FLAG or Anthem are NOT in the constitution. Those acts ar ONLY symbols to honor NOT ONLY the people who died but WHAT THEY DIED FOR.

You don't have to LIKE or "be OK with" ANYONE's views. but we all have the right to speak, and the NFL players are simply using it.





that's GREAT. I get that. and respect it.
Others ...including some vets... have failed to stand in various forms of protest.
I get that to and respect it.




um... so why can't they do both?

And like a lot of protest, somethings are not really planned. I don't think the knelling was a long term PR plan.
But a response to the number people killed and harmed by police unjustly.

And why is it that no matter WHAT people do in protest, there are people that want them to "DO SOMETHING ELSE"? But it always sounds like, do it in a way that i can ignore or doesn't bother me?

[COLOR=#222222][FONT=Verdana]
one thing about the knelling at games is that it bring it up REGULARLY as aposed to a ONE off 60 minutes or big event.
but sure and How about a stadium filled with people discussing the problem overbearing policing and out of wack justice system. :2up:
I mean looking at list of maimed and dead unarmed people is offensive.




How come you weren't out there on the sidelines rev? Oh, that's right. It's a place where the FANS want to see a game, and enjoy their Sunday without all of the Racist BULLSHIT being leveled by You, and all of the Immature Millionaires who only know how to play a game, and pretend they are smarter than everyone else.

We'll see how much they support the flag, and the anthem to EMPTY STADIUMS. They'll have to go into the stands, and buy their own refreshments during the COMMERICIAL BREAKS because...WE THE PEOPLE do not want to listen to all of the crying from the perpetual VICTIMS of false whining. And you should go too!

[jimnyc]

Rev - how much discussion is going on about the issues? Or is the majority of discussion about arguing over the kneeling? That's correct, more about the kneeling. If they want to go this route, a route in which many get angry with them, and the majority ignore whatever message they want to send, that's cool with me. If you think a message HAS been sent by all of this thus far, you're sorely mistaken. All it's done is create conversation about the kneeling and the anthem.

If that was their intent, good for them. If they had a different message, perhaps they can find an avenue that doesn't leave many folks feeling disrespected. If they say "this is our right" and continue anyway, oh well. Myself, I don't give a shit about ANY message from them, NONE, nada, zilch - until they come in a manner that doesn't leave so many Americans feeling insulted.

But correct, they have this "right", but one would think that if whatever issue it is they have in mind, that they would want to perhaps discuss it? Or maybe leave Americans discussing it. Apparently they don't want that to happen.

[jimnyc]

I mean looking at list of maimed and dead unarmed people is offensive.

As it is to the HIGHER percentage of whites that get shot, as the number of blacks has decreased. The folks that protest and riot over criminals is also offensive. How many shot in the past 3 years alone, that folks went nuts over - were actually criminals in the midst of crimes. The overwhelming majority of them - fact.

[jimnyc]

Btw, when I said stadium, I meant as in that's where they can stage the event - not an event where others show up. More like a setting for the television event. Do something similar to what Ali did. Or perhaps it is better to purposely offend people to 'try' and get a point across.

[Black Diamond]

Rev - how much discussion is going on about the issues? Or is the majority of discussion about arguing over the kneeling? That's correct, more about the kneeling. If they want to go this route, a route in which many get angry with them, and the majority ignore whatever message they want to send, that's cool with me. If you think a message HAS been sent by all of this thus far, you're sorely mistaken. All it's done is create conversation about the kneeling and the anthem.

If that was their intent, good for them. If they had a different message, perhaps they can find an avenue that doesn't leave many folks feeling disrespected. If they say "this is our right" and continue anyway, oh well. Myself, I don't give a shit about ANY message from them, NONE, nada, zilch - until they come in a manner that doesn't leave so many Americans feeling insulted.

But correct, they have this "right", but one would think that if whatever issue it is they have in mind, that they would want to perhaps discuss it? Or maybe leave Americans discussing it. Apparently they don't want that to happen.
It's their right to do it without being jailed. Owners right to do let them do it without being fined or fired. . Trumps right to say get the sonofabitch off the field and fire him. My right to boycott the games and companies who advertise on their networks

[aboutime]

<img src="https://assets.dnainfo.com/generated/chicago_photo/2013/01/chicago-murders-2012-human-toll-1358180117.jpg/larger.jpg">

<img src="http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/161226_wls_chicago_killings_16x9_992.jpg">
Why aren't the NFL, and NBA players STANDING with Cops?
<img src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZAVrvZejCJs/TlvCeeAfQgI/AAAAAAAARXE/XNXK6-6iFA8/s1600/Police%2Bfuneral.jpg">

[Abbey Marie]

I believe that American blacks will never stop feeling angry and bitter over slavery. Never.

And this kind of disrespectful behavior just turns more and more sympathetic people off from their cause. Just looking at those two points is enough to make one throw up their hands. Or maybe just throw up. Promising state of affairs, ain't it?

The straw that broke this camel's back was when those Dallas cops were shot, and Obama did nothing at the White House to acknowledge and show sympathy. So this whole kneeling fiasco reminded me how this same NFL wouldn't let players publicly show their support for the police at that time.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

It doesn't have to be "OK" with you.
It's part of the freedom that the people died FOR.
that's the part that many seem to IGNORE that are so upset.
the Right to Protest and free speech is IN the constitution, THAT'S what the soldiers swore to "protect and defend".
Standing or publicly honoring the FLAG or Anthem are NOT in the constitution. Those acts are ONLY symbols to honor... NOT ONLY the people who died... but WHAT THEY DIED FOR.

You don't have to LIKE or "be OK with" ANYONE's views. but we all have the right to speak, and the NFL players are simply using it.

that's GREAT. I get that. and respect it.
Others ...including some vets... have failed to stand in various forms of protest.
I get that to and respect it.

um... so why can't they do both?

And like a lot of protest, somethings are not really planned. I don't think the knelling was a long term PR plan.
But a response to the number people killed and harmed by police unjustly.

And why is it that no matter WHAT people do in protest, there are people that want them to "DO SOMETHING ELSE"? But it always sounds like, do it in a way that i can ignore or doesn't bother me?

one thing about the knelling at games is that it bring it up REGULARLY as aposed to a ONE off 60 minutes or big event.
but sure and How about a stadium filled with people discussing the problem overbearing policing and out of wack justice system. :2up:
I mean looking at list of maimed and dead unarmed people is offensive.

Well, sorry, but what I see in your post is the usual back peddling someone does when in full damage control mode.

This entire thing started out with kapperdick taking a knee because he thought spitting on the flag and national anthem had something to do with cops shooting blacks. He was wrong then, and it's wrong now. Then president Trump says what the vast majority of Americans were thinking and the anti Americanism and hate for Trump just exploded. They all decided to kneel, and not because suddenly a bunch more blacks were shot by cops, but simply because president Trump called them out. They got all BUTT HURT... and now that they KNOW the people hate their disrespect of our flag and national anthem, they're all in DAMAGE CONTROL MODE, just like you, twisting and spinning a message to distract away from the anti Americanism and hoping Americans will buy it.

Well... far as I see, for the majority, it ain't happenin'.

[Black Diamond]

Well, sorry, but what I see in your post is the usual back peddling someone does when in full damage control mode.

This entire thing started out with kapperdick taking a knee because he thought spitting on the flag and national anthem had something to do with cops shooting blacks. He was wrong then, and it's wrong now. Then president Trump says what the vast majority of Americans were thinking and the anti Americanism and hate for Trump just exploded. They all decided to kneel, and not because suddenly a bunch more blacks were shot by cops, but simply because president Trump called them out. They got all BUTT HURT... and now that they KNOW the people hate their disrespect of our flag and national anthem, they're all in DAMAGE CONTROL MODE, just like you, twisting and spinning a message to distract away from the anti Americanism and hoping Americans will buy it.

Well... ain't happenin'.
I heard he became that way after dating a Muslim girl from Egypt.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

I heard he became that way after dating a Muslim girl from Egypt.
I heard something similar... well, muslims are also the left's pets.

[revelarts]

I believe that American blacks will never stop feeling angry and bitter over slavery. Never.

Is anyone knelling Over Slavery?... no.
so why is this being brought up?


And also i'm not sure when the Jews will stop feeling "bitter" about the holocaust. NEVER... AGAIN...
Or when native Americans will stop felling " bitter" over having 99% of their land stolen?
Or when the Chinese will stop being "bitter" over the Japanese.
Or when the American's will stop talking about the England's taxation without representation and other mistreatment.
That was over 200 years ago... it has NOTHING to do with today right? so why have the 4th of JULY then. It's Just BITTERNESS. we should just move on.




...And this kind of disrespectful behavior just turns more and more sympathetic people off from their cause. Just looking at those two points is enough to make one throw up their hands. Or maybe just throw up. Promising state of affairs, ain't it?
If people were more concerned about real fairness and human lives and not so much about their personal patriotic feelings, the "stature" of police or respect or disrespect of symbols THEN everyone would be better off.

As it is, it seems people would rather find an excuses NOT to care about any real injustice being done.

frankly Abbey, NO ONE here seems SYMPATHETIC AT ALL to the problem the horrific knelling was meant to bring light to.
And no matter what light or format it's been put it , the replies regularly come around to some form of "stop complaining" "you're all criminals... or look like one" "Police are great" "the problems not real" "America's great", "why do hate America".

[High_Plains_Drifter]

If people were more concerned about real fairness and human lives and not so much about their personal patriotic feelings, the "stature" of police or respect or disrespect of symbols THEN everyone would be better off.
So in your world, Americans need to put their love of America and patriotism behind them because that's a problem?

Are you for real?

[jimnyc]

frankly Abbey, NO ONE here seems SYMPATHETIC AT ALL to the problem the horrific knelling was meant to bring light to.
And no matter what light or format it's been put it , the replies regularly come around to some form of "stop complaining" "you're all criminals... or look like one" "Police are great" "the problems not real" "America's great", "why do hate America".

Can't be sympathetic or listen to those kneeling when they are offending so many. It was "MEANT" to bring to light. Kinda shows my point right there.

[Black Diamond]

Is anyone knelling Over Slavery?... no.
so why is this being brought up?


And also i'm not sure when the Jews will stop feeling "bitter" about the holocaust. NEVER... AGAIN...
Or when native Americans will stop felling " bitter" over having 99% of their land stolen?
Or when the Chinese will stop being "bitter" over the Japanese.
Or when the American's will stop talking about the England's taxation without representation and other mistreatment.
That was over 200 years ago... it has NOTHING to do with today right? so why have the 4th of JULY then. It's Just BITTERNESS. we should just move on.




If people were more concerned about real fairness and human lives and not so much about their personal patriotic feelings, the "stature" of police or respect or disrespect of symbols THEN everyone would be better off.

As it is, it seems people would rather find an excuses NOT to care about any real injustice being done.

frankly Abbey, NO ONE here seems SYMPATHETIC AT ALL to the problem the horrific knelling was meant to bring light to.
And no matter what light or format it's been put it , the replies regularly come around to some form of "stop complaining" "you're all criminals... or look like one" "Police are great" "the problems not real" "America's great", "why do hate America".
If people wiped their ass with the American flag over abortion i would have the same reaction.

[Black Diamond]

Stand to honor America. And then they kneel or sit. Fuck them.

[revelarts]

So in your world, Americans need to put their love of America and patriotism behind them because that's a problem?

Are you for real?

In my world, people need to put the love of all America PEOPLE BEFORE their symbolic patriotism... it's not an either or.

Is that too much to ask?


If people wiped their ass with the American flag over abortion i would have the same reaction.

And Abortion would still be wrong and need to be addressed.

[Black Diamond]

In my world, people need to put the love of all America PEOPLE at the FOREFRONT of their symbolic patriotism.
that's the problem.

Is that too much to ask?
Apparently it's too much to ask to stand for the flag to honor America itself. I don't know that every American deserves honor. I give it to every American I meet without knowing them. Sort of give them the benefit of the doubt. But after a point deserve dishonor.

[High_Plains_Drifter]

In my world, people need to put the love of all America PEOPLE at the FOREFRONT of their symbolic patriotism.
that's the problem.

Is that too much to ask?
There's NOTHING "symbolic" about my patriotism, and that is NOT a "problem."

[Black Diamond]

And Abortion would still be wrong and need to be addressed.
So address it. Without pissing on the flag.

[revelarts]

There's NOTHING "symbolic" about my patriotism, and that is NOT a "problem."

just as a matter of facts here.
the flag is a symbol. the anthem is a symbol.
For America, all its' history, all its' inhabitants and all it is and promotes in law and culture.

A human body moving to stand... or not... at those symbols is itself, in fact, a symbol.

It's no disrespect to be honest about that fact. And it doesn't diminish the reality of your heartfelt convictions.

[Black Diamond]

just as a matter of facts here.
the flag is a symbol. the anthem is a symbol.
For America, all its' history, all its' inhabitants and all it is and promotes in law and culture.

A human body moving to stand... or not... at those symbols is itself, in fact, a symbol.

It's no disrespect to be honest about that fact. And it doesn't diminish the reality of your heartfelt convictions.
So some player flips off the official.... No fine ?

[High_Plains_Drifter]

A human body moving to stand... or not... at those symbols is itself, in fact, a symbol.
No, that is not a "fact."

I already know that even if I go into great detail what patriotism means to me and why I honor our flag and national anthem, you won't acknowledge a damn bit of it. I might as well go out and beat my head against my cement sidewalk.

I realize you're verbal contortions are nothing more than damage control, and that leftist will never admit when they're wrong.

[aboutime]

In my world, people need to put the love of all America PEOPLE BEFORE their symbolic patriotism... it's not an either or.

Is that too much to ask?

Sure thing rev. So why are you so quiet about telling the Democrat Black Caucus, NAACP, BLM, and the HANDS UP DON'T SHOOT racists who are supporting Obama's plan to destroy America, and support Terrorists who Hate anybody that doesn't believe them to DO AS YOU SAY?

[Abbey Marie]

=revelarts;880546]Is anyone knelling Over Slavery?... no.
so why is this being brought up?


And also i'm not sure when the Jews will stop feeling "bitter" about the holocaust. NEVER... AGAIN...
Or when native Americans will stop felling " bitter" over having 99% of their land stolen?
Or when the Chinese will stop being "bitter" over the Japanese.
Or when the American's will stop talking about the England's taxation without representation and other mistreatment.
That was over 200 years ago... it has NOTHING to do with today right? so why have the 4th of JULY then. It's Just BITTERNESS. we should just move on.




If people were more concerned about real fairness and human lives and not so much about their personal patriotic feelings, the "stature" of police or respect or disrespect of symbols THEN everyone would be better off.

As it is, it seems people would rather find an excuses NOT to care about any real injustice being done.

frankly Abbey, NO ONE here seems SYMPATHETIC AT ALL to the problem the horrific knelling was meant to bring light to.
And no matter what light or format it's been put it , the replies regularly come around to some form of "stop complaining" "you're all criminals... or look like one" "Police are great" "the problems not real" "America's great", "why do hate America".

Except that exactly none of those groups you cited are still protesting over how they were treated. Kind of makes my point even more, doesn't it?

Who said "police are great"? They are as flawed as any other group. But most of them are trying to do some good and stay alive.

I agree that we should all care more about fairness and human lives. In fact, that was my point about Obama and the NFL RE: the Dallas cop-killings. I did not see any concern there.

PS African-Americans are still demanding reparations.

[Abbey Marie]

Simply do it at another time, fury goes away - and perhaps they even choose a way to where their message is actually listened to. Make no mistake, while people are paying attention right now, it's because of the disrespect and commotion over it. I barely see any discussion at all about what concerns them. So simple, choose a different avenue that will garner attention and get folks to respectfully listen and pay attention.

They are SO rich that they can all afford to get together and make a special conference at a stadium, for example, and have it on during prime time.

How many people have been handed one of these? How many are related to someone handed one of these? How many friends? It goes very deep.

https://i.imgur.com/yGJa10S.png


Bolstered by the fact that here 100 miles outside of NY, I'm not seeing complaints about Beckham raising his fist a la black power, after a TD. It's the disrespect of our country and military that has us upset.

[Gunny]

I had to re-think my stance on this one. Or how I perceive that I may be putting out mixed signals. For vets (and no offense to civilians) it's not as simple a question as demanding some Right to freedom of speech and or protesting in improper forums. I don't normally talk about this shit but it seems a whole bunch of f-ing experts want to weigh in on their Rights. But I'm not going to sit on the fence and ignore the subject anymore. And if I sound like me, it's because I am.

Fuck what you think are your fucking rights. Write your Congressman with your woebegone tale about how bad you have it in this country. I watched a Marine take a round right through his chest for your precious, crybaby ass rights and those Colors you want to disrespect in the name of your petty-ass, I ain't getting my way cause.

I see people constantly on base that have been burned, shot up, crippled, their brains are fried, can't talk or walk fighting for those Colors. So fuck whoever and their cause and their disrespect. I'd as soon backhand your fucking teeth out. At least it'll shut you the fuck up while you bleed all over the floor.

Questions?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

just as a matter of facts here.
the flag is a symbol. the anthem is a symbol.
For America, all its' history, all its' inhabitants and all it is and promotes in law and culture.

A human body moving to stand... or not... at those symbols is itself, in fact, a symbol.

It's no disrespect to be honest about that fact. And it doesn't diminish the reality of your heartfelt convictions.

No, to we that respect and truly appreciate the blood, sweat, tears, sacrifices, deaths and harm endured to insure this nation keeps its freedoms, its citizens their Constitutional rights it is a damn lot more than just a symbol.
It is a part of our core being!
Patriotism , is in our blood and we shall not turn a blind eye to this disrespect made by crybaby assholes demanding , more and more and more!
Especially when they decide to engage in so much criminal activity and violence then cry about facing the cops.
They have more violent run ins with cops so getting more violent reactions is par for the course.
Far too many times the cop is blamed when he/she was totally in the right!

No hoss, this is blacks wanting a damn free pass on their damn love to engage in illegal activities.
Demanding more special privileges than they already have. Wanting to set it up where they are handled with kid gloves, when others are not so handled.
And do not pretend that you do not know about those damn special privileges.. Those mandated by police departments -- for officers to turn a blind eye on their damn numerous driving offenses , etc. I've seen it for over 40 years now and my nephew was once a cop..
Do not try to play that liberal lying crap on me...

Those taking a knee can kiss this man's ass. I do not fall for the liberal lying excuses and spin.
This is about increasing --Black Power.. FFKK THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -Tyr

[Abbey Marie]

These are some real sorry times.

I just want to say that my husband, and many of the men on this board, give me some hope for the future. I won't name you, but you know who you are.

:salute:

Now where is @NightTrain (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=89) ? He'd fit right in.

[NightTrain]

These are som real sorry times.

I just want to say that my husband, and many of the men on this board, give me some hope for the future. I won't name you, but you know who you are.

:salute:

Now where is @NightTrain (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=89) ? He'd fit right in.

I'm here! Just too tired to participate... 7/12s make NT a dull boy.

The pansies disrespecting the flag need to be deported. Via catapult.

[Black Diamond]

I'm here! Just too tired to participate... 7/12s make NT a dull boy.

The pansies disrespecting the flag need to be deported. Via catapult.
You working on a novel? :cool:

[NightTrain]

You working on a novel? :cool:

We're installing fiber to the home out here in Wainwright, AK. It's at the extreme northwest coast of AK.

And, yes, I can see Russia from here.

[darin]

I think the problem for me is: The NFL players are protesting something that doesnt exist. Other than affirmative action and 'family court' there is NO systemic racism in our nation - meaning, no policies or laws or actions are in place actively denying people benefits or opportunity based solely on their race, ethnicity, or gender. That's fine - but when people lie about things like that and just as bad, blame the flag and the anthem for whatever racism exists solely because its in the nature of man...thats misguided. Racism is big business for some people (sharpton/jackson et al) - thus its promoted all the time. The fake societal problems are preached loudly because if the truth was preached nobody would have a reason to feel like a victim. The truth is this: We (individuals) are responsible for our own economic and social positions...and our fatness/obesity while i'm at it. IF we live in a place without jobs, we should move away. IF we cant move away we should work however many jobs as required to earn enough money. IF our police force as racist policy (not saying a cop cant be a racist or make poor decisions - but I'm talking actual racist policies) we should work hard to get to our non-police leaders (mayors, etc) to change the policies. Its not the FLAG nor our Anthem that causes you to get watched or followed when walking thru a store. Its not the FLAG or the Anthem's fault Black people kill thousands more black people every year compared to any other ethnicity/race killing black people. The Flag and the Anthem represent the best way OUT Of oppression - the freedom to succeed and fail given to all citizens and even non-citizens. The Flag is the CURE for oppression..not the cause. That's why the kneeling sucks. It sucks because it's the wrong target for whatever frustration people feel.

[SMTA]

I had to re-think my stance on this one. Or how I perceive that I may be putting out mixed signals. For vets (and no offense to civilians) it's not as simple a question as demanding some Right to freedom of speech and or protesting in improper forums. I don't normally talk about this shit but it seems a whole bunch of f-ing experts want to weigh in on their Rights. But I'm not going to sit on the fence and ignore the subject anymore. And if I sound like me, it's because I am.

Fuck what you think are your fucking rights. Write your Congressman with your woebegone tale about how bad you have it in this country. I watched a Marine take a round right through his chest for your precious, crybaby ass rights and those Colors you want to disrespect in the name of your petty-ass, I ain't getting my way cause.

I see people constantly on base that have been burned, shot up, crippled, their brains are fried, can't talk or walk fighting for those Colors. So fuck whoever and their cause and their disrespect. I'd as soon backhand your fucking teeth out. At least it'll shut you the fuck up while you bleed all over the floor.

Questions?
Look at Goose Step Gunny race to overt fascism.

You have no more rights than anyone else.

Piss off loset.

[darin]

Piss off loset.

Did you just call him a type of blood pressure medication?

#sickburn

[SMTA]

Did you just call him a type of blood pressure medication?

#sickburn
Damn spellcheck, though the burn is still valid.
Smokin’.

[darin]

Damn spellcheck, though the burn is still valid.
Smokin’.

wasn't really a burn though, man. honestly wasn't great - calling someone a loser isn't that big of a deal.

:)

[Abbey Marie]

I'm here! Just too tired to participate... 7/12s make NT a dull boy.

The pansies disrespecting the flag need to be deported. Via catapult.


A pot of Denali and 1/2 hour in front of the TV, and you'll prob be as angry as the rest of us.
:coffee:

[High_Plains_Drifter]

This is about increasing --Black Power.. FFKK THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -Tyr
NAILED IT ---------------- ^^^^

And this is on top of AAAAAAALLLL the special treatments blacks already get, just because they're BLACK. Just look at a few of these websites. If WHITES had websites like that, blacks and liberals heads would be exploding, they'd be crying about white SUPREMACY and RACISM, and they'd be scrubbed from the internet. But OH NO... since the websites are for the EVER OPPRESSED BLACK MAN, they're NOT RACIST. But then if they're so OPPRESSED, then why haven't their websites been taken down as RACIST, like the same for WHITES would be? Isn't there a double standard here? WHO is really being OPPRESSED, the blacks or the WHITES?

http://www.cbpm.org/files/BlackOrganizations.html

We have CODDLED and HELPED and SUBSIDIZED and BENT OVER BACKWARDS and KISSED THEIR ASS for black people, but it just NEVER seems to be ENOUGH.

I believe that we have TAUGHT blacks to behave in this manner, that when they do, THEY GET WHAT THEY WANT, just like a CRYING BABY, and even though they have black this, black that, black only, for blacks only, black, black, black... black power... my God, where does it END? Can't they just STFU, go to school, go to college, get a job and EARN their way like everyone else, every other race, every other walk of life and be happy?

I guess not. They'd rather waste their time flapping their lips about non existent oppression in hopes that once again they get a FREEBIE. And this last display they're putting on, it's just the FIRST TIME they've picked a manner in which to have their TANTRUM and it's BACK FIRED, so now, they don't know how to deal with it, and the people that have been making money off them are in an even bigger pickle, and the leftists are in full DAMAGE CONTROL MODE now twisting and contorting stories like... "oh, it's not about the flag," REALLY... THEN WHY IN THE FUCK ARE YOU PISSING ON THE FLAG?

Like TYR said, this all about BLACK POWER. Well I for one am SICK of BABY SITTING and SUBSIDIZING these sons a bitches. They need to pull their BIG BOY PANTS UP, knuckle down and get an education or a trade, get a job, MARRY the woman you KNOCK UP, be a MAN, KEEP your job, quit your damn WHINING and CRYING and all this BLACK POWER bull shit, and be a DECENT PERSON that is an ASSET to your town, to AMERICA, to the WORLD, because believe me black people, if you can all do that, you'll have more POWER than you ever dreamed of, and you won't NEED to PROTEST anymore, or BEG FOR HAND OUTS and SPECIAL TREATMENT because you can't ACHIEVE as well as anyone else.

I'm done.

[darin]

i love black people. <3

[Gunny]

Look at Goose Step Gunny race to overt fascism.

You have no more rights than anyone else.

Piss off loset.Wrong. I have more Rights than YOU, NON-US citizen. Get back in your hole, pussy. Nothing fascist about me. Go cry to someone who gives a shit about your contrived problem. As Darin said, it doesn't exist. Do like the rest of us and get a fucking job so you're too tired at night to cry all over my TV.

[jimnyc]

I wonder what's more important to some folks - a handful of dead black folks, where the overwhelming majority were criminals. - Or honoring America, and how many that have died since our inception?

And again - if folks are so worried about black deaths, and making change - WHY don't they give 2 flying shits about the endless blacks being shot and killed in Detroit/Chicago and other places? Interesting.

So let's sit back and say FUCK YOU to every soldier that's ever fought, every American that has gave their life for our freedoms & every family that supports their loved ones giving service to our country. :rolleyes:

And still no one, here and other places, can offer a reasonable explanation as to why they can't do something during prime time, bring about more attention, no disrespect to anyone. IF they truly cared about the issue, they would actually try and make change, use their voices for change, but they prefer to insult and then go home with their money.

[jimnyc]

Look at Goose Step Gunny race to overt fascism.

You have no more rights than anyone else.

Piss off loset.

With respect to you, since I have no beef with you, outside of the falsehoods stated that I pointed out.

With that said - I stand for the flag, and I stand with Gunny as well. Not over any argument here, but his service and seeing a comrade die in front of him, and why that's and important reason for endless millions to honor America our freedoms and the folks who gave as such.

[Abbey Marie]

I wonder what's more important to some folks - a handful of dead black folks, where the overwhelming majority were criminals. - Or honoring America, and how many that have died since our inception?

And again - if folks are so worried about black deaths, and making change - WHY don't they give 2 flying shits about the endless blacks being shot and killed in Detroit/Chicago and other places? Interesting.

So let's sit back and say FUCK YOU to every soldier that's ever fought, every American that has gave their life for our freedoms & every family that supports their loved ones giving service to our country. :rolleyes:

And still no one, here and other places, can offer a reasonable explanation as to why they can't do something during prime time, bring about more attention, no disrespect to anyone. IF they truly cared about the issue, they would actually try and make change, use their voices for change, but they prefer to insult and then go home with their money.

Though Rev refuses to recognize it, it's because of what I said earlier: African Americans will never stop being extremely bitter over slavery. And the resulting segregation. That is the big picture. Protesting police brutality is the latest manifestation of it. I believe the level of bitterness is such that nothing else compares. The big exception I have seen to this are the blacks I've met at church. They have a much bigger picture and prize in mind.

[jimnyc]

Though Rev refuses to admit it, it's because of what I said earlier: African Americans will never stop being extremely bitter over slavery. And the resulting segregation. That is the big picture. Protesting police brutality is the latest manifestation of it.

Slavery is as prominent today as ever, and not a single white alive today owned slaves, and none of these blacks were slaves. But there's that chip on the shoulder, and today's white folks get beat up as if it were us doing so - hence the next subject, reparations, in which NO ONE in the world should be doing. NONE. No one alive was involved, it's for the history books now.

And there's a reason that the majority of blacks killing blacks somehow get a pass from any marching, rioting - or even mention by the majority.

"Black lives matter - until it's one shot by another black, then we wouldn't give a shit about that poor bastard"

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Look at Goose Step Gunny race to overt fascism.

You have no more rights than anyone else.

Piss off loset.

Just who the ffkk are you???
MTERFFKER I HAVE AS MANY RIGHTS AS I WILL STAND TO FIGHT FOR-- THAT IS ALL OF THEM.
How bout you???
I'll fight with Gunny any day against losers like you and spare me any wannabe tough-ass reply.
I 've dealt with every type there is in my long life and nobody has killed me yet- although some did try.

Jim has my permission to give you my address and I welcome a face to face.

Gunny fought for our rights--what the hellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllll have you ever done??
Try me, I aint ajokin..
Piss off the wrong hombre-some of us dont play. A fact..--- Tyr

[Gunny]

Though Rev refuses to recognize it, it's because of what I said earlier: African Americans will never stop being extremely bitter over slavery. And the resulting segregation. That is the big picture. Protesting police brutality is the latest manifestation of it. I believe the level of bitterness is such that nothing else compares. The big exception I have seen to this are the blacks I've met at church. They have a much bigger picture and prize in mind.So long as there is attention to be had and money to made from it, blacks and those that make oney off of them aren't going to get over anything. Being black in this country is a business.

Who do I feel any real empathy for? The black that I know personally who go to work every day, come home at night and are part of their families and when they have a problem, go about solving it. THEY are the ones that suffer because of these BLM crybabies the most. What the latter are doing is nothing more than continuing the racial divide for, as I said, attention and money.

[SMTA]

Wrong. I have more Rights than YOU, NON-US citizen. Get back in your hole, pussy. Nothing fascist about me. Go cry to someone who gives a shit about your contrived problem. As Darin said, it doesn't exist. Do like the rest of us and get a fucking job so you're too tired at night to cry all over my TV.
You wish, bitch.

You are acting just like your brother Tim McVeigh. Good job.

Keep it up, Goose Step Gunny.

[Black Diamond]

You wish, bitch.

You are acting just like your brother Tim McVeigh. Good job.

Keep it up, Goose Step Gunny.
too bad McVeigh isn't around for these kneelers.

[SMTA]

Just who the ffkk are you???
MTERFFKER I HAVE AS MANY RIGHTS AS I WILL STAND TO FIGHT FOR-- THAT IS ALL OF THEM.
How bout you???
I'll fight with Gunny any day against losers like you and spare me any wannabe tough-ass reply.
I 've dealt with every type there is in my long life and nobody has killed me yet- although some did try.

Jim has my permission to give you my address and I welcome a face to face.

Gunny fought for our rights--what the hellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllll have you ever done??
Try me, I aint ajokin..
Piss off the wrong hombre-some of us dont play. A fact..--- Tyr
Aren’t you just cute. Another internet keyboard moron. Ho hum.
Obviously your inability to read precludes self-education about the COTUS and BOR.

[Gunny]

You wish, bitch.

You are acting just like your brother Tim McVeigh. Good job.

Keep it up, Goose Step Gunny.Am I? He tell you to fuck off too? Can't imagine why you bein' so personable n all ....:rolleyes:

[SMTA]

With respect to you, since I have no beef with you, outside of the falsehoods stated that I pointed out.

With that said - I stand for the flag, and I stand with Gunny as well. Not over any argument here, but his service and seeing a comrade die in front of him, and why that's and important reason for endless millions to honor America our freedoms and the folks who gave as such.
Fascinating that he is ignorant of the COTUS abd BOR, and what they really mean.

His nastiness pisses on his fellow soldiers, and also on this country.

[Gunny]

Aren’t you just cute. Another internet keyboard moron. Ho hum.
Obviously your inability to read precludes self-education about the COTUS and BOR.The Constitution is easy to ready. For anyone not on the left and some other woebegone miscreants with pointless and fabricated causes.

You got it okay though, don't you? Somebody else can do your fighting for you while you just play internet tough guy and wannabe intellectual. I'd LOVE to see all the ones that do the fighting on BOTH sides stand back and make way for you windbags to take the lead and do your own damned fighting. We'd kill ourselves laughing at you stooges running around trying to figure out which way is front. (Hint: It says: "Front Toward Enemy" on the Claymore, douche)

[aboutime]

Just who the ffkk are you???
MTERFFKER I HAVE AS MANY RIGHTS AS I WILL STAND TO FIGHT FOR-- THAT IS ALL OF THEM.
How bout you???
I'll fight with Gunny any day against losers like you and spare me any wannabe tough-ass reply.
I 've dealt with every type there is in my long life and nobody has killed me yet- although some did try.

Jim has my permission to give you my address and I welcome a face to face.

Gunny fought for our rights--what the hellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllll have you ever done??
Try me, I aint ajokin..
Piss off the wrong hombre-some of us dont play. A fact..--- Tyr


Tyr. Let him go. He can't help it that his parents tell everybody, they didn't have any kids that lived. SMTA thinks his shit doesn't stink. But then again. How would he know? Using mouthwash hides all kinds of stink.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Aren’t you just cute. Another internet keyboard moron. Ho hum.
Obviously your inability to read precludes self-education about the COTUS and BOR.

Moron would be you, in your believing that this is the issue your kind has made it out to be.
This is a deliberate insult by certain morons in protest to a false charge.
Their is no systematic and nationwide organized police force attack upon black men.
However, there is the factual reality that blacks engage in more crime than any other group in America and therefore are involved in more serious altercations with cops. And not only that but blacks tend to carry guns more and resort to violence in resisting arrest more.
Facts, that you and your ilk pretend are not in play.....
I read and write just fine and I do not follow dem/lib/socialist propagandized rhetoric with the acute stupidity and juvenile acceptance that you do..
Is your middle name, parrot??-Tyr

[Black Diamond]

I feel bad for polar bears.....

[High_Plains_Drifter]

Fascinating that he is ignorant of the COTUS abd BOR, and what they really mean.

His nastiness pisses on his fellow soldiers, and also on this country.
Sorry, but no it doesn't. He is EXACTLY the kind of guy I'd want by my side in combat.

You can take that from another guy who spent 8 years on the military. The last kind of person we want in our ranks is a fucking pussy with diarrhea of the face like you.

[Black Diamond]

We're installing fiber to the home out here in Wainwright, AK. It's at the extreme northwest coast of AK.

And, yes, I can see Russia from here.
Your post about all work and no play made me think of the shining.

[SMTA]

Moron would be you, in your believing that this is the issue your kind has made it out to be.
This is a deliberate insult by certain morons in protest to a false charge.
Their is no systematic and nationwide organized police force attack upon black men.
However, there is the factual reality that blacks engage in more crime than any other group in America and therefore are involved in more serious altercations with cops. And not only that but blacks tend to carry guns more and resort to violence in resisting arrest more.
Facts, that you and your ilk pretend are not in play.....
I read and write just fine and I do not follow dem/lib/socialist propagandized rhetoric with the acute stupidity and juvenile acceptance that you do..
Is your middle name, parrot??-Tyr
I see that English is quite a challenge for you.
It should be ‘there’, not ‘their’.
Can you be more ignorant? I think not.
Third grade writing ability on a good day, with help. Good stuff.


Sorry, but no it doesn't. He is EXACTLY the kind of guy I'd want by my side in combat.

You can take that from another guy who spent 8 years on the military. The last kind of person we want in our ranks is a fucking pussy with diarrhea of the face like you.
How cute you girls are.


Tyr. Let him go. He can't help it that his parents tell everybody, they didn't have any kids that lived. SMTA thinks his shit doesn't stink. But then again. How would he know? Using mouthwash hides all kinds of stink.
Look at the voice of experience.


The Constitution is easy to ready. For anyone not on the left and some other woebegone miscreants with pointless and fabricated causes.

You got it okay though, don't you? Somebody else can do your fighting for you while you just play internet tough guy and wannabe intellectual. I'd LOVE to see all the ones that do the fighting on BOTH sides stand back and make way for you windbags to take the lead and do your own damned fighting. We'd kill ourselves laughing at you stooges running around trying to figure out which way is front. (Hint: It says: "Front Toward Enemy" on the Claymore, douche)
Front Toward Enemy as Goose Step Gunny assumes the position.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I see that English is quite a challenge for you.
It should be ‘there’, not ‘their’.
Can you be more ignorant? I think not.
Third grade writing ability on a good day, with help. Good stuff.

Really?
Best you can do is to point out a typo that I made..:laugh:
When in the very next sentence I wrote, the word is spelled correctly..:laugh:
Failing and flailing must be a standard with you.
A loss and an attempt at diversionary spin--typical lib tactics.
Points I made, you must be in agreement with apparently, since out of my entire post you only found fault with a simple typo error.-Tyr

[SMTA]

I
Really?
Best you can do is to point out a typo that I made..:laugh:
When in the very next sentence I wrote, the word is spelled correctly..:laugh:
Failing and flailing must be a standard with you.
A loss and an attempt at diversionary spin--typical lib tactics.
Points I made, you must be in agreement with apparently, since out of my entire post you only found fault with a simple typo error.-Tyr
Just showing hiw ignorant and uneducated you are.
I agree that you are a moron who threatens people who don’t agree with you.
Your blatant ignorance is quite obvious.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I
Just showing hiw ignorant and uneducated you are.
I agree that you are a moron who threatens people who don’t agree with you.
Your blatant ignorance is quite obvious.


Just showing hiw ignorant and uneducated you are.

" hiw ".... :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

----HOW--- on earth did you cipher out my education level and lack of knowledge when you yourself
spell the word -how- as "hiw" ?

Typo much do ya, when angry?? - :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: Tyr

[Black Diamond]

I
Just showing hiw ignorant and uneducated you are.
I agree that you are a moron who threatens people who don’t agree with you.
Your blatant ignorance is quite obvious.
Did Tyr hurt your feelings ? Did you feel threatened ? Snowflake.

[jimnyc]

Fascinating that he is ignorant of the COTUS abd BOR, and what they really mean.

His nastiness pisses on his fellow soldiers, and also on this country.

You guys had an argument, I expect you to think less of him. But with that said, he is far from ignorant of either, and you haven't known him long enough to make that statement. I've known him for 12+ years. None of us are perfect, including Gunny, but I'll be happy to setup a one on on debate between the 2 of you on such a subject if both agree? His knowledge is more than a few posts that you guys have argued within.

Nastiness? He's on his own with that one! :laugh:

Pissing on fellow soldiers? Nope. I disagree on that one and won't even argue it, but you are welcome to your opinion.

With all of that said - please keep any fighting in the threads they began in. There's no need to attack in a new thread. There's a forum towards the bottom of the board called the "steel cage". In there, you're free to start threads to your hearts content and REALLY tell him how you feel about him. :)

[jimnyc]

Trump took one for the national team here and got more than blasted for his comments, comments that many agree with wholeheartedly.

The NFL teams responded in unity the past week. That was in addition to Kaepernick's stance last year, and many players this year, which lead to the comments.

They thought they had him beat and had humiliated him, they were sorely mistaken, IMO. As more and more NFL players got together to avoid the anthem and flag, more and more in the nation woke up to what was going on, and the anger grew and grew. Television broadcasters avoided sharing the fans that were angry, and blocked out much of the booing as well. This was anger from more than just some of us righties here on the internet. This was die-hard fans at the games themselves. Then it started getting major backlash from many many more than that. The amount of things that I saw get burned was HUGE! Saw one guy burn like $4k worth of his tickets. Many called DirecTV to cancel their subscriptions to the NFL games. FB and Twitter erupted and haven't calmed since.

YES, I know it's a 2 way street, and that many in America support the players as well. But the comparison is night and day.

And as a result - more and more are already coming out to say they will be standing this weekend. We ARE going to see some individuals still kneeling/sitting. Hell, one player from the Titans stated that if any of his own fans didn't like it - "bye". But you'll see many more standing this week in addition to entire teams, like the Steelers. Even my own team doesn't get a pass from me. But their "intent" was to solely to try and avoid the situation. Instead they royally fucked up. Now back to being honorable.

Trump - 1
Disrespectful players - 0

---

Steelers’ Maurkice Pouncey: ‘We’ll All Be Standing Out There for the National Anthem’

After the Pittsburgh Steelers’ national anthem debacle with only one player standing on the field for the national anthem and the rest of the team in the locker room, Steelers veteran center Maurkice Pouncey vowed the team would all be standing together Sunday in Baltimore.

“I promise you one thing, this week we’ll all be standing out there for the national anthem. Trust me,” Pouncey said Wednesday.

“As far as I know it’s 100 percent participation. We love this country. It’s America. We know there are injustices in this world, but to me, personally, football is football and that’s what we need to approach it as,” he added, via CBS Pittsburgh.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/09/29/steelers-maurkice-pouncey-well-standing-national-anthem/

[jimnyc]

Controversial host speaks up. A black man that very often speaks about black rights and what not - speaking about how the message is getting lost.

Imagine that, disrespecting the flag, which disrespects the military, veterans and fallen soldiers - whether directly intended or not.

I said it all along, and this WILL remain true. They need to come at a different angle and not disrespect to get a message across. The message is just fine.

Have a stadium conference. Have 200 players there. Set it for prime time and discuss and analyze the entire thing. Let them see all the players concerned. Let them speak, instead of kneeling. Most won't answer why something of this type of approach won't be taken, or why it wouldn't be better or more successful than kneeling and offending.

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Stephen A Smith ‘Tired’ of Protests: ‘I Want to Get Back to Football’

Friday, ESPN “First Take” co-host Stephen A. Smith said he was “tired” of the national anthem protests and linking of arms in unity, adding he is ready to “get back to football.”

Smith reasoned that Colin Kaepernick’s initial protest has been “hijacked” and the message has been “lost” because the protests are now anti-President Donald Trump, which he said just causes more “division.”

Partial transcript as follows:

The locking of the arms, the kneeling during the national anthems, I’m not going to lie to you all. I’m going to confess. I’m tired of it. I’m tired of it. Here is the reason why: number one, I want to get back to football. Number two and more importantly than getting back to football, I want to know what the hell we are going to really, really, really do about it.

As far as I’m concerned, the real issue at hand has been hijacked. When you talk about oppression, when you talk about prejudice, when you talk about brutality on the part of police officers, can someone tell me what specifically has been done to address those issues that Colin Kaepernick supposedly was directing our ire towards? What actually has happened?

I see NFL players coming together. To me, if they were coming together like this in the immediate aftermath of Colin Kaepernick, it would have resonated more profoundly. When Colin Kaepernick kneeled, you had a whole bunch of people had nothing to do with it, they had nothing to say, they didn’t want to do anything, they wanted no part of it. The only reason they even spoke about it was because the media was in their face asking them questions about it.

There were a few individuals who made their presence felt and took a knee in support of him, but by and large, these people weren’t speaking up to support him. They only spoke up when President Donald Trump spoke out against the NFL last weekend. And to me, what that says is it’s not about Colin Kaepernick, it is about Trump.

This is an anti-Trump protest. OK, you’re free to do all of that. But that is going to create more division. It is not going to bring about more unity because you have an abundance of people, 60 million plus, who voted for this man, even more tens of millions of people who support the conservative ideology that some people believe is attached to him.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/09/29/stephen-a-smith-tired-of-protests-i-want-to-get-back-to-football/

[Gunny]

You guys had an argument, I expect you to think less of him. But with that said, he is far from ignorant of either, and you haven't known him long enough to make that statement. I've known him for 12+ years. None of us are perfect, including Gunny, but I'll be happy to setup a one on on debate between the 2 of you on such a subject if both agree? His knowledge is more than a few posts that you guys have argued within.

Nastiness? He's on his own with that one! :laugh:

Pissing on fellow soldiers? Nope. I disagree on that one and won't even argue it, but you are welcome to your opinion.

With all of that said - please keep any fighting in the threads they began in. There's no need to attack in a new thread. There's a forum towards the bottom of the board called the "steel cage". In there, you're free to start threads to your hearts content and REALLY tell him how you feel about him. :)I'de like to say I'll wait, but I have things to do besides waiting on an ignorant fuck to correct tyr's typing.

So if pissy pants has anything to say to me, someone will have to point it out for me. Best I can tell, he likes to wait until he thinks we're asleep to try and impress the sandman with his inability to process logic and fact.

Speaking of ... talk about lame ... pissing on a "fellow soldier" :rolleyes:. I don't even piss on HIS soldiers, but I can bet you who does ....

[aboutime]

Look at the voice of experience.

You're right. I knew how your parents felt, and they just wouldn't admit they should have chosen ROE V. WADE to alleviate all of the problems you bring here with your arrogance, and ignorance, based on feeling like you are always right about everything.